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Re: Why Google News has no noise

PSD To Wordpress — Thu, 17 Sep 2009 07:49:18 -0000

Hey there, i don't think so, what makes you say that btw!

Re: Why Google News has no noise

Marieke Hensel — Fri, 23 May 2008 02:11:20 -0000

So... what would happen if politicians start listening to the noise instead of to the news (and big statistic reports and such)

And...
What would happen when corporate companies start listening to the noise instead of to the news? Oh.. a... wait... I guess that's called marketing or maybe customer service but what are the executives doing?

I am sure one day that -will- happen. But not today. And not tomorrow.

;-)

Re: Why Google News has no noise

Sour Grapes — Tue, 20 May 2008 04:23:33 -0000

The noise of Twitter and Friendfeed are interesting to you because you're writing about Twitter and Friendfeed. It wouldn't be any use to anyone who doesn't cover those areas. You sound to me like an old-time newsman who advises a youngster to hang around the police station because that's where it's all happening. Well, on the crime beat that's good advice. But what if you cover City Hall?

Re: Why Google News has no noise

David — Mon, 19 May 2008 20:12:05 -0000

noise

1) A stench in the ear. Undomesticated music. The chief product and authenticating sign of civilization.

2)In Computer Science, irrelevant or meaningless data.

1)Devil's Dictionary
2)American Heritage Dictionary

Re: Why Google News has no noise

Jim Connolly — Mon, 19 May 2008 17:55:47 -0000

There are some GREAT comments here!

That NOISE is the sound of ideas being formed as the Internet moves; it's to be embraced by those who want to see the future in advance!

I just wrote a post about Robert's influence on my blog. It's about time he gets the 'props' he deserves - what Scoble's achieved in amazing - stunning. http://thetechnewsblog.com/...

Jim Connolly
The Tech News Blog

Re: Why Google News has no noise

Chris — Mon, 19 May 2008 15:09:22 -0000

Noise should be avoided. Typically, noise is poorly written. Editors are undervalued. If you read a large volume of noise, your writing will suffer. Filters, such as Google News, help.

Re: Why Google News has no noise

therapydoc — Mon, 19 May 2008 14:47:52 -0000

Oh, I love this post. It's the difference between process and product, in therapyspeak.

Re: Why Google News has no noise

Stef Levolger — Mon, 19 May 2008 13:47:45 -0000

Noise as you call it can be a way of quickly receiving what is practically just the latest news, but on the other hand it usually is also highly inaccurate as details have yet to be revealed.

An indication that something happened which is getting people's attention but it's usually not till the actual news arrives before people really get to know what it's about.

Asides from that, don't forget that essentially most noise is just coming from the news directly, quickly mentioned by one which happened to be watching the news. It's not like it instantly came from those right at the source of things.

In case you have the time on your hands though to follow what's happening in the world by doing so on services like twitter, blogs or any other form of independent journalism on the net nothing is going to stop you. But for those with less time on their hands google news is all they need, or perhaps better to say what they can spare.

On the other hand, noise is far from a bad thing either. Not that I give anything on whether someone knows it before me or not, but simply for the fact that it creates awareness. After all, better to pick up the latest news through the noise than not picking it up at all.

Re: Why Google News has no noise

OneRock 777 — Mon, 19 May 2008 12:27:27 -0000

I am wondering what advantage did anyone gain by virtue of all of the early "Noise" generated about the earthquake on Twitter. Did anyone use this information to take any action what so ever to help anyone or did you all just congratulate each other for knowing first....
Noise is for twits news is for people who are too busy doing things that matter to have time to sift thrugh the noise.

Re: Why Google News has no noise

Steve — Mon, 19 May 2008 12:26:00 -0000

straightrecord, fair point about my list of named. I completely agree that the majority of the world's best journalists go unknown. Which only reinforces my question that Scoble provide evidence to support his narccistic claim

Re: Why Google News has no noise

David Windham — Mon, 19 May 2008 10:59:24 -0000

hurah for the noise. nicely written.

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TranceMist — Mon, 19 May 2008 10:45:48 -0000

Fantastic analysis and explanation of the two, Robert.

Really insightful. Great job.

Re: Why Google News has no noise

John Elar — Mon, 19 May 2008 07:43:50 -0000

its quite cool without noise :d

Re: Why Google News has no noise

lemukenfi — Mon, 19 May 2008 05:42:56 -0000

Since noise is where the future trends and actions hide, wouldn't it be interesting to implement that behaviour in regular business. Thinking of NPM Noise Process Management as a challenge for companies.

http://bpmedge.wordpress.com

Re: Why Google News has no noise

straightrecord — Mon, 19 May 2008 05:05:12 -0000

as a professional, seasoned print journalist, i'd like to tell your readers you are full of crap. a tour of a newspaper's satellite printing plant does not mean you have "hung out" with top journalists. sorry to use this language, but you are somewhat pathetic. as a simple example, a real journalist knows the difference between "who" and "that," or at least his or her editor does. you really don't have a bit of a handle on the news business. your prime sources of daily news are on the bottom rung of information. just what are you trying to achieve? from what i see, you, as with most of americans, haven't the foggiest idea about what news is or what the news business is about. you might want to give it up. while you're at it, review some of your 7th grade grammar lessons.
and sorry, steve, you didn't list a single "real journalist." most of the best are not readily known to the general public because we don't seek tabloid-cable tv attention.

Re: Why Google News has no noise

Cuthbert — Mon, 19 May 2008 04:58:31 -0000

If I were a real news junkie then I'd go for the noise. I'd be willing to expend the energy required to spot trends and basically keep up with the noise. As it is, I'm not willing, which is why news is usually enough for me. I only want to keep up enough to consume the strained, filtered and processed product.

If I may use a crude analogy: It's like having someone else masticate my food before I eat it. I lose out on the nutrients and most of the enjoyment. (Not to mention it's disgusting.) But it saves me the trouble of having to chew. If I had the time or energy or willingness, then of course I'd rather do it myself.

Re: Why Google News has no noise

matt — Mon, 19 May 2008 04:30:56 -0000

this is just basic communication theory.

information -> transmitter -> communication channel -> receiver

The channel acts as a filter.

You are pointing out that Google News acts as a filter prior to the transmission as their methodology slects only "reputable" or "highly regarded" information sources.

I'm guessing that most readers of your blog, greater social/online network, possess sufficient receiver processing power to parse the noise, so therefore they desire a high bandwidth transmitter and communication channel.

However, I don't believe that everyone wishes to do the receiver post-processing and often prefer news which is easier to digest.

thanks for the post

Re: Why Google News has no noise

Steve — Mon, 19 May 2008 02:18:26 -0000

And Ted Kennedy's family and friends new about his seizure before you did. What's your point?

Re: Why Google News has no noise

Steve — Mon, 19 May 2008 02:11:12 -0000

You've hung out with the world's top journalists? Really? Which ones?

Walt Bogdanich, or Jake Hooker? Amy Harmon? Jo Becker ? Barton Gellman? Steve Fainaru? Gene Weingarten? Steven Pearlstein? Brett Blackledge? Kenneth Weiss? Usha Lee McFarling?
Susan Schmidt? James Grimaldi?, R. Jeffrey Smith? Dana Priest? James Risen? Eric Lichtblau? Joseph Kahn? jim Yardley? Dele Olojede?

If you are going to make such a bold claim, at least name some names.

Re: Why Google News has no noise

Damien Hogan — Mon, 19 May 2008 00:32:25 -0000

Don't lose site of the difference between why you trawl the noise and why some of us subscribe to your output. There is very little value for me in getting the mere fact of the existence of an earthquake a few minutes before someone else. I'm certainly not subscribed to your feeds for geological information.

It's kinda interesting to confirm that the Internet has become real-time - but it's been real-time for years now - twitter just makes it easier to notice.

The greatest service any noise trawler can provide me is to filter the noise. Your filter is your value proposition. Be very careful how you play with the filter's settings.

Re: Why Google News has no noise

Jeff Crites — Mon, 19 May 2008 00:18:30 -0000

Interesting take on noise vs news. I've always been an information junkie, a mix of noise and news I guess. I enjoy skimming through numerous blog posts and info bits from Twitter each day. I also enjoy magazine articles - things that aren't time sensitive - that go behind the scenes or look over the horizon for trends. And when I can, I do a quick scan of thousands of press release headlines each week (PR Newswire & Business Wire) - kind of like a PR Twitter stream. All of it together helps me get a feel for trends and shifts in the digital/business landscape. Finding out how Zappos, for example, is using Twitter so effectively tells me we'll see more Brands jumping on the Twitter train soon.

Re: Why Google News has no noise

Gabe — Mon, 19 May 2008 00:17:07 -0000

Andy Beard's comment is right. Robert's reply to Andy is wrong. Robert, techmeme.com/lb is an output, not an input. And there are many, many blogs whose links send juice/love/rank equal to TechCrunch's.

Re: Why Google News has no noise

Chhai — Sun, 18 May 2008 23:08:51 -0000

Noise is wonderfully useful to get the latest news. I'm attempting a method to filter out the noise to get the news from across the web without actually using/relying on a specific service like Twitter.

Re: Why Google News has no noise

Larry — Sun, 18 May 2008 22:29:56 -0000

BTW scoble, I discovered google.com 45 minutes before you did. Who cares. So you were interviewed on bozo US news media. Millions of people in Asia knew about the earthquake before you. Why don't you search for extraterrestrial life or something useful?

Re: Why Google News has no noise

Larry — Sun, 18 May 2008 22:24:02 -0000

Who cares if you knew about the China earthquake before the US new media? There were people in China who knew before you. Who cares.