I've been watching all the tweets about kyte.tv, videos, five minute videos, shorter videos, longer videos, etc. ad nauseum, but this is the first time that I've actually watched any kyte.tv video. A few comments:
(1) Videotaping and audio recording pre-dates rap concerts, and gets into all sorts of copyright issues that date well before Metallica. Ignoring the fact that the media companies may not treat the artists fairly, does such taping infringe on the artist's rights?
(2) While the freeway looked safe, and I've pulled similar things myself, I wonder what will happen as California laws change. Would this be considered unauthorized use of a cell phone while driving? And the documentation is right there on kyte.tv for the cops to see.
(3) We're already seeing "citizen journalism" (or whatever you want to call it) affecting the mass media, although I'm not sure that they're talented enough to use it properly. However, as a matter of principle (I can't stand Harvey Levin) I haven't tuned into the new TMZ TV show, so I don't know how effective the practice is.
(4) Your major point is valid - if the content is important, it doesn't matter if the camera is only $15. I'm heading to Oracle OpenWorld in a couple of weeks, and if Larry Ellison (or, better yet, someone from BEA) should happen to drop by the bloggers' dinner, you can bet that a dozen people will whip their cheap cell phone cameras out and videotape every utterance.
Jan
· 2 years ago
No one is making any money in Hollywood (quote by George Lucas). Movie stars goes back to television. NBC says dollars are turning into pennies. Existing business models appear obsolete, while new ones like iTunes are resisted. Zucker blames Apple, but the truth is that they have destroyed their own business for a very long time. You can have the MBA approach to doing business: Where is the money? Or you can have the artists approach: What does my passion tell me?
Scott Barnes
· 2 years ago
Nice counter-argument :) I agree in parts, the ability of you driving and videoing at the same time whilst doing so online? welcome to the world of "We are connected" (Insert Daft Punk Song here).
That being said, the next step is HD YouTube style videoing. Cameras are getting pretty darn good at the quality the downside is once they hit the web, the quality goes south.
Thus, I predict concepts like the next generation Silverlight and Flash are really going to push this approach in a totally new and energetic way. It will however come down to hosting costs, and that's pretty much were the cost hits you.
Kyte didn't cost you anything, but it cost Kyte something :)
- Scott Barnes RIA Evangelist Microsoft.
Nils
· 2 years ago
Cool. I like it and want more of this.
Let's be careful not to make video the one and only content. Writing still has value too.
Oh, and Robert, watch out you don't turn into some travelling salesman.
Past few days all I've seen you do is race around, carrying gear and living in your car and other people's offices.
Why is Cell phone usage so different in Europe and in the US? I cannot understand you guys don't take pictures or videos with your cell phones... I mean, you're using the same korean phones as we do, I guess? I heard something that SMS didn't take off in the US because the protocols of different telco providers don't interoperate. But MMS sucks and no one is using it, still everyone is taking pictures over here and in the US not?
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
Florian: we have a lot more computers over here. The culture is different. But we're catching up. The iPhone dramatically pulled us into the mobile online world.
Stefan Constantinescu
· 2 years ago
how did you get passed the 30 second limit on kyte or did you wait until you got home to upload your mp4 file?
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
Stefan: there isn't a limit anymore on uploads of videos. Well, I take that back. I think it's 50MB or 20 minutes.
Ron
· 2 years ago
It's a universal law... You get what you pay for.
fred
· 2 years ago
You confuse making an mp4 file with making a Web video.
Creating an mp4 file is easy and cheap. Making and interesting Web video is expensive and hard.
tadcronn
· 2 years ago
Hey Rob,
Good post. Just keep your eyes on the road, huh?
Marius
· 2 years ago
@ Stefan,
An interesting question!
There are actually 3 different ways to produce video-shows from the mobile phone:
1.) Use the Kyte Mobile Java App and Produce a 'QuickVid' Note, the video will be limited to 30-45 seconds
2.) You can record a video on the cellphone's native application. Then, send the video directly to the channel's email address (@kyte.tv) via email-message.
3.) Use Kyte Web Upload to upload your video directly from your cellphone's gallery. This is a Nokia Only feature. Robert uploaded his video this way from his N95.
Send us a feedback (feedbackkytetv)if you have any questions.
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
fred: I watched mainstream TV last night. Maryam was watching "the Bachelor." That proves that you can spend a lot of money creating very expensive crappy video. And even better, people watch it.
Me? I'd rather create very low cost crappy video. People watch my stuff too (a million unique visitors a month now) but if it's crappy not too many dollars were spent.
Don Draper
· 2 years ago
@14 You are asking the wrong question.How much money was made for ABC on "the Bachelor" vs how much money made on the million unique visitors for your video? I'm guessing ABC made out pretty well,even factoring in relative costs.
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
Don: ABC +better+ have made out. They are a public company, took dozens of years to build its distribution network, and have a LOT of expensive buildings and people to pay.
Me? I have a cell phone and Milan and Maryam to feed.
SpaceyG
· 2 years ago
Wouldn't let you tape her, eh? She broke the chain. Send Stevie Nicks to haunt her bad anti-meta vibe.
Kyle
· 2 years ago
Very cool! No wonder Barry Diller says he'd rather be a waiter than go back to Hollywood [sic]
Any info on using iPhone for this kind of work?
Just be careful, my friend, as using a cell phone is definitely a high impairment when driving and lots of muni's are forcing "hands free" laws.
Jeremy Herbel
· 2 years ago
"I have a cell phone and Milan and Maryam to feed."
I guess Patrick fends for himself?
Leslie Wong
· 2 years ago
Nothing I want to see more driving on the 101 is someone shooting video while they're driving...
Don Draper
· 2 years ago
@16 You are either missing my point or proving Ron's. If you are making video for video's sake--even if you have great interviews, then, well, you get what you pay for. If I were you I would find a way to monitize those 1MM users (beyond sponsorship). It appears, at the moment, that videos that actually make money are not easy and not cheap.
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
Don Draper: my videos are making a good chunk of change. I agree with you that making money isn't easy, though. If it were, everyone would be doing it.
Jake Ludington
· 2 years ago
Free and easy don't necessarily mean compelling. While gimmicky content may grab people's attention for a few minutes, the video that builds new businesses will have to bring people back for more. The barrier to entry for that type of video goes far beyond something you can do in your car with your phone.
Mike R.
· 1 year ago
i think with video plus written content will be the way to go.
All Comments
(1) Videotaping and audio recording pre-dates rap concerts, and gets into all sorts of copyright issues that date well before Metallica. Ignoring the fact that the media companies may not treat the artists fairly, does such taping infringe on the artist's rights?
(2) While the freeway looked safe, and I've pulled similar things myself, I wonder what will happen as California laws change. Would this be considered unauthorized use of a cell phone while driving? And the documentation is right there on kyte.tv for the cops to see.
(3) We're already seeing "citizen journalism" (or whatever you want to call it) affecting the mass media, although I'm not sure that they're talented enough to use it properly. However, as a matter of principle (I can't stand Harvey Levin) I haven't tuned into the new TMZ TV show, so I don't know how effective the practice is.
(4) Your major point is valid - if the content is important, it doesn't matter if the camera is only $15. I'm heading to Oracle OpenWorld in a couple of weeks, and if Larry Ellison (or, better yet, someone from BEA) should happen to drop by the bloggers' dinner, you can bet that a dozen people will whip their cheap cell phone cameras out and videotape every utterance.
That being said, the next step is HD YouTube style videoing. Cameras are getting pretty darn good at the quality the downside is once they hit the web, the quality goes south.
Thus, I predict concepts like the next generation Silverlight and Flash are really going to push this approach in a totally new and energetic way. It will however come down to hosting costs, and that's pretty much were the cost hits you.
Kyte didn't cost you anything, but it cost Kyte something :)
-
Scott Barnes
RIA Evangelist
Microsoft.
Let's be careful not to make video the one and only content. Writing still has value too.
Oh, and Robert, watch out you don't turn into some travelling salesman.
Past few days all I've seen you do is race around, carrying gear and living in your car and other people's offices.
Next interview: poolside or something, okay? :-)
Creating an mp4 file is easy and cheap. Making and interesting Web video is expensive and hard.
Good post. Just keep your eyes on the road, huh?
An interesting question!
There are actually 3 different ways to produce video-shows from the mobile phone:
1.)
Use the Kyte Mobile Java App and Produce a 'QuickVid'
Note, the video will be limited to 30-45 seconds
2.)
You can record a video on the cellphone's native application. Then, send the video directly to the channel's email address (@kyte.tv) via email-message.
3.)
Use Kyte Web Upload to upload your video directly from your cellphone's gallery. This is a Nokia Only feature. Robert uploaded his video this way from his N95.
Send us a feedback (feedbackkytetv)if you have any questions.
Me? I'd rather create very low cost crappy video. People watch my stuff too (a million unique visitors a month now) but if it's crappy not too many dollars were spent.
Me? I have a cell phone and Milan and Maryam to feed.
Any info on using iPhone for this kind of work?
Just be careful, my friend, as using a cell phone is definitely a high impairment when driving and lots of muni's are forcing "hands free" laws.
I guess Patrick fends for himself?