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Re: The race to time-based and blog search

Anime9200 — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:34:07 -0000

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Re: The race to time-based and blog search

oxley — Fri, 21 Jul 2006 05:09:33 -0000

Great job guys...

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webbeleah — Mon, 12 Jun 2006 04:26:29 -0000

beautiful online information center. greatest work... thanks

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Jana Bischof — Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:48:16 -0000

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Jana Bischof — Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:40:16 -0000

fitness

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Don Singleton — Sun, 16 Oct 2005 12:35:10 -0000

There are a lot of different sites blogs can ping when they post, and if a search engine is not pinged, it cannot include that post in a search.

Re: The race to time-based and blog search

Andrew Sears — Sun, 16 Oct 2005 10:25:48 -0000

Blogniscient looks interesting.

Sounds like you are looking for a tail -f INTERNET | grep 'October 16, 2005' command somewhere.

Findforward has some interesting ways of using the Google api..

http://www.findforward.com/...

My problem isn't finding stuff on the internet, it's reading it all. Robert, you have way too many blogs going on right now! :) Way too much stuff happening with Microsoft. Also with China... (see here http://travelcostarica.blog...

The name is a bit misleading, but I use this blog for documenting places I am going to travel to. I am going to China this week to see if it works from over there...

Try searching for China on Gadda.be to get some interesting results of what is happening in the world today...

Re: The race to time-based and blog search

Martin Sigaard — Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:03:14 -0000

I came to this site via Blogniscient. Being a librarian, I always prefer some sort of classification :)
Try and see if this is fresh enough for you:
http://technology.blognisci...

Re: The race to time-based and blog search

Christopher Coulter — Fri, 14 Oct 2005 07:40:16 -0000

"The best stuff" is very subjective, the world tis not all geek posers.

PS - Gawd are these comments impossible to read. For all the blog blahger and overhype, you'd think someone could ever come up with a decent comment system, no blog engines ever seem to work.

Re: The race to time-based and blog search

Jeremy Pepper — Fri, 14 Oct 2005 02:36:33 -0000

Oh, you should have mentioned it in NYC - I love that community, and have worked with it. And, I think it makes too much money to be a subculture. :)

And, you are right - there's a lot we can learn from scrapbooking about grassroots efforts, word-of-mouth activities, and building lasting communities.

Re: The race to time-based and blog search

None — Fri, 14 Oct 2005 01:26:46 -0000

Have you seen these search engine indexing speed benchmarks? http://www.mackmo.com/nick/blog/tech/?permalink=Search_Engine_Indexing_Speed.txt

Re: The race to time-based and blog search

David Sifry — Fri, 14 Oct 2005 00:58:45 -0000

Robert, have you tried our Blog Finder?

http://www.technorati.com/b...

More to come, thanks for your feedback.

Dave

Re: The race to time-based and blog search

scobleizer — Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:08:15 -0000

Jeremy: it's just a subculture I'm not that familiar with that's very large. Translation: it is a good one for geeks like me to study and see if we can do better in serving.

Re: The race to time-based and blog search

Jeremy Pepper — Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:47:51 -0000

What is it with you and scrapbooking?

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mary hodder — Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:19:50 -0000

thanks Robert, very kind of you to note my work. i wish someone would fix these problems now too. i think there is a real need to make blogs accessible to people who aren't in the blog community, and who want some comprehensible way (no geekiness allowed) to understand them, and who is doing the writing.

it would help people quite a bit.

mary

Re: The race to time-based and blog search

PierreS — Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:11:34 -0000

What ?

Re: The race to time-based and blog search

theroxylandr — Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:22:50 -0000

So where is your link to Paris Hilton video?

Re: The race to time-based and blog search

PierreS — Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:16:00 -0000

Well you should try Atiki.com because it *really* works :)

Re: The race to time-based and blog search

Lorelle VanFossen — Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:00:28 -0000

Part of the problem is that time-based searching is dependent upon the blog post being found in a "timely manner". This means that web crawlers have to be on the alert 24/7 and happen to cross THAT post at THAT moment or soon after its release. Imagine the size and speed of that crawler!

So that leaves us with two options. Either the burden is upon the user to update tagging and search services, or pings and trackbacks will have to merge and grow into a new form of "I got a secret!".

I see a form of ping and trackback services sending out an excerpt of the post to search engines and directories at the moment of posting. Immediately, time-based information is delivered, literally, to your door.

Google, Yahoo, and MSN are not the end-all, but they are the beginning. I see tagging as part of the baby steps of information gathering on the Internet.

The first to come up with this new form of ping and trackback service, with checks and balances thrown in, will get all my attention, and it should get yours.

Re: The race to time-based and blog search

Leonardo Faoro — Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:56:36 -0000

I still think we should not divide search engines by content type unless it is clearly divided. Yeah, blogs are a type of content, but there's a fine line between what is a blog and what is a "site". I think we should just search from the standard Google website, and let the search engine figure out what's what. Don't put that burden on the user. I want to be able to get for example the most relevant posts about the new Xbox.... are blogs more relevant ? Or content websites ? Are newer posts better (or more relevant) than older posts ? Relevancy is very hard to measure as you know.

regards,
Leo

Re: The race to time-based and blog search

John Furrier — Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:42:07 -0000

Everyone knows the web 1.0 algorithmic search doesn't work in the real time environment. Historical stuff - great and awesome but real time stuff I agree with you Scob 100%. It's going to be an algorithm that no one sees coming and I think it will be social based .... keep your eye out for some new stuff...

Re: The race to time-based and blog search

Jeff Schiller — Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:24:59 -0000

Ugh, that was supposed to be "<a> element without a closing </a> element"...c'mon WordPress, time for a "Preview Comment" option!

Re: The race to time-based and blog search

Jeff Schiller — Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:23:42 -0000

Danny's comment has an open element with no closing , it's screwing up your comments.

Time/Blog-based searching does currently suck, but it will get better. I agree that people need to get these results from the main search page, not from a separate page (and I assume once BlogSearch makes its way out of Beta that it will be integrated somehow into google's main search). I think it would be good to see time-based entries in a separate column next to regular search entries. If you look at google, their regular search has the heading "Web" and their Blog Search has the heading "Blog Search". They should combine these on one page (in two columns) but they would likely have to shrink their "sponsored links" div. Each column could be leafed through its pages without affecting the other column (ie use some Ajax).

I think a relevancy figure should be determinable from a heuristic that combines text relevancy with recency with # of inbounds with # of comments/trackbacks (for that entry only), but of course that's open to spam attacks.

Re: The race to time-based and blog search

Danny Sullivan — Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:51:54 -0000

"But, before I dive into the state of time-based search today, let’s look at Yahoo, Google, and MSN first so you can see just how bad those three are if you want to find something that was added to the Web yesterday."

Let's qualify. You mean how bad they are if you only look at the web search results and ignore the onebox/shortcut displays they have.

In other words, do [video ipod] on Google or Yahoo, and at the top of the pages, they show you plenty of news results. They aren't behind in gathering fresh data. They're simply segregating it into the news area and giving you a heads-up that it is there.

You're either missing it or ignoring it because those top of the page segments don't feel "normal" to you. All I can say is that the search engines are aware of that issue.

If you look at my article it talks about how at some point, the search engines need to automatically push the right button or tab or link for you, to give you 10 news results for queries that obviously are news related. Or you do a shopping search and you get all shopping results automatically.

The problem is the search engines are frightened about making such a change. If they get it wrong, they may lose people. So they are slowly letting vertical listings creep in this way.

Remember, web search is NOT a time based activity. Honestly. Think about it. The last time you did a web search for something new, you weren't looking for the best overall site on the subject, were you? No, you wanted the latest, timely informaiton. You wanted news. They give you excellent news through news search engines. And Yahoo, among the majors, as you know just started incorporating blogs as a news source, as well.

Overall, Robert, I think the posts you are doing on search are great in raising the issues out there and helping push for further UI changes that need to happen. But I think it would also help to point out some of the features that do exactly what you want, when they exist. IE -- everyone, you want timely info? news.google.com, news.yahoo.com are great places to go.

As for your blog search problem, yeah, I know that well. It's why I don't depend on blog search much. I get get timely, but I also get all the crud. PubSub tries to solve this by picking the most authorative blogs, but I haven't found that's really solved the problem much.

Ultimately, it will probably come down to blog search further refining this, letting you search by default against a set of hand selected or some other method filtered blogs, to cut out all the spam -- and you can go further across all the blogs if you want. But when there are simply so many blogs out there, a good chunk of them splogs and so on, you've got to have some filtering. THAT's why news search works so well, because the vertical sites allowed in there are reviewed.

Re: The race to time-based and blog search

Farooq — Thu, 13 Oct 2005 03:31:32 -0000

a couple of more comments:

- you're dead on about the Apple thing...Steve Jobs has said periodically that Media Centers and video ipods make no sense...and well both have been set up by MS/partners before...

- Xbox 360 is about to launch...I think Microsoft needs to partner with someone for a handheld gaming system...you guys have great IP in this area...BUT don't go out to make your own handheld...partner with someone who's already got something out there...i think it's important cause that's the only thing missing from the MS portfolio in the gaming market...

and I wouldn't have written this if I didn't haev a partner in mind :)

N-Gage! it has not done so well (thanks to shoddy design) but the concept is just plain cool...a good integrated device and you could tout its connectivity features with Xbox 360...heck you can call it the Xage (pronounced: Zage)...