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Re: The new A list

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Re: The new A list

Helen, software developer — Tue, 04 Apr 2006 09:58:27 -0000

I think that what you've described is an ordinary life situation. In the blogosphere there are the same people as in real life and you can't change them.

Re: The new A list

Frank N. Stein — Sat, 01 Apr 2006 05:00:13 -0000

It's alive, it's alive, it's the blogosphere.
You have built the perfect blog here Scoble.
You have given me a reason to live and I can't stop blogging and reading your genius marketing ideas. I require more software to reach the next vista of geek uniformity and enslave the dumb serfs.

Re: The new A list

Omni — Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:29:51 -0000

Here's an objective outsider's take on this, for what it's worth:

It doesn't matter who likes who, who has how many friends or enemies, who did what to who in the past, or who did or said what outside of the public eye; the case has to be judged by what was done publicly in connection with this specific incident if we want to see who's in the wrong in this case.

Something I've found to be invariably true is this; a good, decent person never, ever, EVER shares private correspondence without the clear permission of all parties. NEVER. Someone who'd put a private letter in a totally public forum, aimed at an audience who any moron would know would react viciously towards the source of the letter, and such that said source will be sure to see said reaction, is FAR from being a saint; this is a calculatedly evil act, and, regardless of how much the letter-sharer was provoked, it's absolutely inexcusable and puts them 100% in the wrong for this particular altercation.

Perhaps Dave Winer is an objectively bad person; just be aware that Rogers Cadenhead has shown that he isn't any better.

Re: The new A list

Blog Bloke — Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:32:32 -0000

I'll be frank Robert. Most of us are sick and fed up with the Scobles and Winers labeling themselves as the cream of the blogosphere. A cut above the rest of us. The blue-bloods of blogdome that the rest of us mere mortals should grovel and "suck up" to.

What do you expect when you create a class system like that? Of course the 'peasants' are going to throw tomatoes and yell "off with his head". It's human nature.

Sorry for being the bearer of bad news my friend but here is my advice. Both yourself and Dave and the rest of the rabble should cut the bullshit "A-List" conflab and don't take yourself so seriously. Because believe it or not -- most of us don't.

Re: The new A list

v((aspers th' gr]*ate — Wed, 22 Mar 2006 00:49:21 -0000

hooray for blogocombat!

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Liz Strauss — Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:57:51 -0000

How to participate by not participating. . . .

Re: The new A list

Jack Yan — Sun, 19 Mar 2006 07:24:59 -0000

Orangeguru (no. 74) has a point, but I felt I expressed it better. Just kidding. My real message: the sad thing is that it has taken a shorter amount of time for the nutters to begin blogging. I wonder if that means society is getting worse, or whether that’s merely a consequence of technology being available to more people. Maybe both. But if it’s the former, it would be awfully nice to think we could do something about it.

Re: The new A list

Dieter Mueller — Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:09:31 -0000

@JJ: People are people .. everywhere. Dave W. has left a long streak of angry, disappointed or bemused people behind him ...

Maybe so. But was anyone ever forced to read his blog? And is anyone forced to read this new A-List Assault Teams? No. Most of this stuff is just opinions ... so we can choose to get excited or aggravated about them.

Re: The new A list

JJ — Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:46:14 -0000

People are people .. everywhere. Dave W. has left a long streak of angry, disappointed or bemused people behind him .. and if you read his posts over time and watch how he uses language .. he baits, he provokes, he says snide and catty things about other people often, using passive / aggressive syntax and sentence construction.

If there were only one or two *documented* instances of a**holishness, that would be one thing .. but there are more than one or two, and over a reasonably impressive time period ...

He must have been deeply hurt by having been ignored or not heard at an early stage in his life .. that's all I can imagine ...

Re: The new A list

Dieter Mueller — Sat, 18 Mar 2006 03:18:41 -0000

Buhuhu. Bad people are taking over the world. The revolution eats one of it's inventors. Maybe the first homo bloggies are simply burned out and have to move aside?

Of course there is a lot of crap out there and people attacking people. But that's fairly human - isn't it. Maybe the founding geek bloggers have finally to realize that NORMAL people and social behaviour has caught up with them?

This is developing into a trauma - very similar to old internet farts talking about the beginnings of usenet or compuserve ... the days before mainstream happened.

The 'golden age' of blabla a purely 'educated' geek flame wars. Yeah, sure! Dream on ...

Re: The new A list

Jack Yan — Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:49:13 -0000

Robert, stick with your principles. I applaud you. I’m surprised that the blogosphere, still relatively new given that I am still asked what a blog is, has bred so much cat-ﬁghting. Particularly as many bloggers are educated people. Maybe it’s the fatigue talking, but I remember the World Wide Web being more civilized at the same point in its history.

Re: The new A list

Abhijit Nadgouda — Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:17:20 -0000

You hit the nail in the head! We are skilled at using constructive tools for destruction.

Re: The new A list

Dave — Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:16:54 -0000

Just to present one point - not in Dave's favor - in an argument that seems fated for a public smackdown.

Scoble: "No one added any value."

mcdmcblog (comment #15: "I do think you for allowing comments on the situation. I do not have the ability to comment at Dave’s site.".

Scripting.Com post today, obviously referring to things: "People who doubt that thoughtful discourse is possible in the blogosphere, need only look...."

My main beef with Scripting.Com is just that. "thoughtful discourse". "citizen journalism". "allowing comments".

Until Dave can act like a proper "citizen" journalist....meaning allowing conversation and also not posting vindictively and then pulling said posts... he'll fail to win my vote on credability. He'll always cause me to wonder why (a) he is being maligned and (b) what his agenda is about with the words he'll allow to stay public on Scripting.Com.

Robert, this is not said as "mob mentality" or "ad hominem" in Dave's direction in any way. Rather, it's a judgement long in making since 2000, and it's a judgement based on understanding how things work in this world.

Re: The new A list

DavidM — Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:56:55 -0000

It's the same for TV, press and blogs - if it sells people will write it.

As much as we may dislike it, the mob loves a hunt, and all of us find it irresistible sometimes.

The worst thing you can do is give it more attention and that's what you've just done.

Re: The new A list

Karim — Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:28:48 -0000

Scott -- you're right, it looks like Winer might be referring to Cadenhead as wanting to start a flamewar. I think it's a little ambiguous, as I thought the subject was *Scoble's* lament, but it makes more sense that Winer would think *Cadenhead* was trying to start a flamewar.

If, in fact, THAT makes any sense. The replies to Cadenhead's post look like about 500 people all going "YEAH!!! WINER'S AN ASS!!!" in *unison*. Which isn't pretty, but still, I thought for a flamewar there had to be some *disagreement.*

Just goes to show you how these things can get easily misunderstood...?

Thanks for pointing that out.

Re: The new A list

Scott Magoon — Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:57:06 -0000

Robert, not to change the subject from all this fun, but have a nice weekend. Although it looks like rain is on the forecast for Seattle.

Re: The new A list

Scott Magoon — Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:53:36 -0000

Karim, it looks to me that when Dave says "his post" in that context he is referring to Roger Cadenhead, not Scoble, as wanting "to get a flamewar going."

Re: The new A list

Rob Fay — Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:25:51 -0000

Although we embrace the social software scene, collaborative sites, email, im, and the like, none of these tools replaces face-to-face communciation.

Sure, it brings our world closer together. I get to connect with like-minded people who I wouldn't be able to meet otherwise. However, how often are the people you "met" online identically the same as when you finally get to meet them in person.

We have a long way to go because although electronic tools for communciation becomes more sophisticated, it still complicates the simplicity of face-to-face communication.

Sure, in Geekdom, I'm sure some of us communicate more effectively via a keyboard and computer monitor rather than meeting face-to-face, but that's a poor excuse.

In the case with Winer and Cadenhead, I really cannot comment because I was not privy to the details. What I can say, however, is that if they are, indeed, friends, then they would have found a way to bridge the miscommunication. Winer has a habit of coming across in a negative fashion. Not everyone has a stellar personality, and for others, it comes across even worse in this environment if we are not good communicators to begin with.

These 'A'-listers ar no different than the old school folks, except that now there's many more people participating in this digital-social-communication medium.

Perhaps we should heed our mother's advice ("if you cannot say anything nice...") by following the following social rule:

Blogger Rule #1: Only write what you would tell your audience (whether it be one or many) in a face-to-face encounter

And for Pete's sake, leave the adolescent bitchfest out of the blogosphere.

Re: The new A list

Karim — Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:59:42 -0000

You can only take the "protect the inventor" thing so far. If Thomas Alva Edison had gone on a killing spree and had been caught red-handed, OF COURSE he'd say, "I'm *Edison,* I invented the *lightbulb,* you can't touch meeee!!!"

And he would have gone to the gas chamber anyway.

(And ironically, the gas chamber would have been lit with electric light bulbs.)

I understand you want to stick up for your friend, too. That's natural.

But look at the pingback Dave Winer gave you on this post (comment 40). "Scoble laments all the flamers in the thread on Rogers Cadenhead’s site, but isn’t it obvious that the purpose of his post was to get a flamewar going?"

Dude.

You're apparently one of his few allies and supporters, and when you write a post *supporting* him, calling him a great inventor and personal friend, he accuses you of WANTING TO START A FLAMEWAR. He accuses you of *betraying* him.

Maybe that should tell you something?

"No one called both sides and did some real reporting?" You're friends with Winer, and can probably get a hold of Cadenhead. Talk to both of them for 10 minutes and do some real reporting on your blog. Stop cursing the darkness and light a candle.

Re: The new A list

John C. Welch — Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:57:08 -0000

It's just Dave. You should have heard the stream of hate when Apple didn't make Frontier the language for Apple Events.

It's like this...Dave can say whatever Dave wants because Dave is always right.

If you're not Dave, then shut up, and live with that inferior state, quietly, so you don't disturb Dave and the greatness that is Dave.

He may be MUCH different in person, but on line? That's Dave. ANd if he IS much different in person, that's actually worse, because then it's just Internet Balls

Re: The new A list

Ross — Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:41:00 -0000

"Winer responded by pointing to a childhood picture of Cadenhead on the author’s site and writing, “See the little boy? Want to have sex with him?”"

WTF?!?! What the hell did he hope to achieve by doing that? Robert, if you are truly his friend, and I suspect you are - take him to get therapy.

Re: The new A list

Dan — Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:52:52 -0000

It seems rather presumptuous to assume any responsibility for the blogosphere at large. If not for you some other schmuck would have arisen in your stead, and after you leave a thousand more will jockey for your place on the list.

Given the sheer number of people who Mr. Winer has wounded and enraged, I can't help wondering if all of them can really be in the wrong or if the blame more likely rests on the one person whom they have in common.

Re: The new A list

Adam — Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:32:02 -0000

Scoble, I read your blog for the tech. Your purpose as you stated is to show new, cool stuff that makes your life better. Please keep that up.

People will always get into pissing matches. What's the best thing to do? Stay on the sidelines. Don't get involved. If you keep showing off the cool stuff and are honest about it, it works itself out.

Really appeciate the tech that you have shown off. Most of my friends are amazed at what I pass along to them from this blog.

Re: The new A list

Big Deal Not? — Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:37:45 -0000

http://www.wired.com/wired/...

"He can't apply the same standards to himself that he applies to others," says humorist and programmer Greg Knauss, who last year created the WinerLog parody site (since taken over by a much angrier and less funny group of contributors who write under the collective name Zaphod). "He'll launch into people really hard, doing over-the-top, needless stuff, like posting sexual slurs about Rogers Cadenhead when they disagreed, but then he says there is to be no flaming on his own site." Cadenhead, the author of best-selling books on Java programming and other software topics, disagreed with Winer over the propriety of the Third Voice site-editing technology; Winer responded by pointing to a childhood picture of Cadenhead on the author's site and writing, "See the little boy? Want to have sex with him?"

Did Dave ever apologize publicly for this? I think not.