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Scobleizer: The most underhyped Silicon Valley success: Meebo

  • Marshall Kirkpatrick · 1 year ago
    See also this other post of ours http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/meebo_main... where we ask "Is Meebo really worth a $200m valuation?" and answer "hell yeah, it is." Agreed that this company is really interesting. Thanks for reading RWW, too, Robert.
  • robdiana · 1 year ago
    I had asked the same questions myself about a year ago when I first found it. I cannot find the article now, but it references the same ideas that you mentioned, it is mostly IE and mainstream users. I think the reason for that is most techies or early adopters use some software like Pidgin or Adium for IM. I got into Meebo because it is a way around software issues on any PC. It really is a fantastic tool.
  • luc · 1 year ago
    I've been using meebo from the very beginning, when ICQ was still popular, as an easy way to contact with friends and family from Internet cafes while traveling. I don't know any of their employees, but I was impressed how friendly they seem, posting little stickies on the meebo desktop, trying to build a community.
  • Josh Catone · 1 year ago
    5 posts tagged Meebo, vs. 113 tagged Twitter at RWW. ;) Though at least four different writers at ReadWriteWeb have written about Meebo (I know Richard did prior to all posts being tagged).

    I think many "A-Listers" do use IM. I use it every day -- and chatted with Marshall and Sarah throughout the workday on Yahoo! and MSN while at RWW. The reason Meebo never really excited me on a personal level was that using IM in the browser was clumsy compared to Trillian or Digsby, especially whenI had 20 or 30 tabs open researching a post. So the only time I ever used Meebo was when I was on a computer other than mine.

    Comparing it to Twitter isn't really fair, too. Many of the posts about Twitter on a daily basis are either about up time problems -- which Meebo should be glad they don't have -- or apps that hook into, rely on, or extend Twitter. Meebo just doesn't have as vibrant of a third party developer ecosystem.
  • E.B. White · 1 year ago
    I think another reason you make videos is that you don't know how to write. "Video" is not a verb. And "nother" is not a word. I think the word you were looking for was "other".

    Otherwise welcome to the web a lot of more normal people use. Meebo is great. I'm stunned you never heard of it.
  • ppmartin · 1 year ago
    The theoretical advantage of Meebo is that it is only web / browser based... but the Meebo URL being blocked by my office's firewall... it is useless there.

    And when I am "in control" of the firewall, like at home or when I am travelling, I prefer a more flexible and "out of the browser" multi-protocol client such as Trillian anyway.
  • Robert Scoble · 1 year ago
    E.B.: heheh, glad to have another editor here. Who said that what I do here is "writing?"

    It's clear you haven't watched my video. I interviewed them more than a year ago, so I clearly have heard of it. It's just that I don't see many people talking about Meebo on the tech blogs.

    Define "normal."
  • Josh Catone · 1 year ago
    Actually, according to Oxford, video can be a verb: http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/video?view=uk

    "verb (videoes, videoed) film or make a video recording of. "
  • jerryk · 1 year ago
    duh.
  • adolfo · 1 year ago
    meebo is the only im i will use period
  • John G · 1 year ago
    Scoble-

    You talk a big game here, so why aren't you using Meebo Rooms on your blog?
  • Ben · 1 year ago
    So you think it's good for me to give my google account and password to these people who I don't know?
    Access to my mail, my blogger account, my photos, my documents, my calendar.
    Fail!
    http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/00112...
  • Rachel · 1 year ago
    It's always a problem, imagining everyone else uses the web like you. I just have to talk to my family, who seem to have problems using the address bar in a browser and have never heard of the iPhone.
  • Catchwa · 1 year ago
    Regarding the IE vs. Firefox thing.
    Could it be possible that the people on Meebo are using IE because they are locked down in a work environment (and thus can't install firefox, ICQ, MSN, etc, etc.)?

    That's certainly what it was like when we were at uni.
  • les · 1 year ago
    I have to agree with Catchwa. At work we are restricted to IE. At home I only use Firefox. At work I access Meebo from home I access Twitter.

    Almost like having a double life - two wives!
  • Richard Holden · 1 year ago
    @ E. B. White: video as a verb is in the Oxford English Dictionary with a first quote of 1971, so it's not like this usage has no history. Nouns change into verbs constantly in English, so I don't really see what the problem is.
  • Romain · 1 year ago
    Seems like there's another world surrounding the hype. That's definitly cool (cuil?)! Tech blogs are about new trends, not about mainstream use of the web. That's why there's no need speaking of Meebo on tech blogs. Who cares about IM? Twitter is a real deal, what's interesting to speak about isn't simple and plain ideas, but things that question.

    Which means tech bloggers may mainly be feeding the hype and don't really care about usability and users need, focusing on new new new (did I say new?) products and services. In the end they're what people want to read, they make people dream and think. And that's a lot to do.
  • Justin Flood · 1 year ago
    That's exactly it.

    If the A-Listers don't bother talking about it, there isn't much buzz for it.

    Doesn't matter though, I've seen many of the younger generation (people in middle and high school now) who use Meebo almost exclusively. For them it's the best way to chat, and they can use it to get around the fact that AIM clients rarely work in schools.

    Meebo will be successful regardless of whether or not the A-List bloggers talk about it.

    That doesn't mean it's any better or worse than Twitter mind you, they are both fantastic products. I personally love twitter because I can't stay connected to a stream of IMs all day, and it gives me a quick glance into what the people that I'm interested in, are talking about.

    Just because there isn't as much buzz, doesn't mean you don't have a successful product.
  • George Morris · 1 year ago
    I've seen Meebo but I can't think of why I'd use it over iChat, Trillian or AIM. Here a just a few features I didn't find in Meebo.
    1. No File Transfer
    2. No Video Chat
    3. No Audio Chat
    4. I can't search my chat history

    I just don't see using Twitter and Meebo in the same blog post. Twitter is an entirely different service. It has nothing to do with bloggers or A-listers.
  • Craig Willits · 1 year ago
    George,

    You're mistaken, Meebo actually supports those features.

    When you load an IM window, you'll see a button for both file transfer and video/audio chat. Chat logs are viewable, also.

    Craig
  • StevenGroves · 1 year ago
    Robert,

    I am prepping for an upcoming presentation and I needed to checkout Meebo. I do not like that it requires a window open; checking out Pidgin - my girlfriend likes it better, runs an executable. Share my results later...
  • Danprime · 1 year ago
    @George

    When was the last time you visited Meebo? If you logon with a Meebo account they have:
    1. File Transfer
    2. Video/Audio Chat (though I don't really use this)
    3. Chat history with searching features (assuming you turn this on)

    Sure Meebo requires keeping a tab or window open (they have a sidebar feature for Firefox users) but with Prism and Fluid you can have a "separate app".

    Personally, the biggest benefit to using Meebo is that I can actually look up the chat logs anywhere I logon to Meebo-I never have to worry about synchronizing my logs. Using Meebo is like being able to archive all your mail in Gmail.
  • Christopher Coulter · 1 year ago
    Posting old video? Hey, like Podtech. We can not watch it again.

    It's just a bad Trillian gone webby, crashy too, hardly worth wetting your pants over. Plus tons of disadvantages, no picture/file sharing, no advanced features, no video/webcams.

    It's real popular with the kidddies at school, as they can use it to circumvent IM blocking, but outside of that target market, they have nothing. If you hang out on Meebo to "do research" you will just find the same type of 'MySpace cadets', only younger with shorter attention spans, speaking in illiterate IMese code all day long, and that's not mainstream it's still niche. God help us if it ever does become mainstream.

    It's only real advantage is "remote access", when not at a computer of your own, but the primary audience usually always is, excepting school, and would be much better served with a multi-service IM client.
  • Robert Scoble · 1 year ago
    >Tech blogs are about new trends, not about mainstream use of the web.

    In that case they should be covering Meebo big time. 35 million users vs. 2. Chat is a big trend and a monetizeable one, too.
  • Christopher Coulter · 1 year ago
    Well, file transfers and such via Amazon S3, which doesn't really work out that well. Credit for trying, at least. No credit for results.
  • ds · 1 year ago
    I just want to say well done, Robert. It's kind of hard to know when something's worth watching or listening to ( <- a problem to me due to lack of time) but this is the kind of stuff I love to hear / know about. Thank you.
  • Tim Jahn · 1 year ago
    Your last paragraph is a great point. I think a lot of the time, us tech people get stuck in a rut thinking that everyone everywhere does things and thinks things the way we do when in reality, it couldn't be any more true.

    We are such a small percentage of the overall everything, we need to be aware of this and pay much more attention to the non-tech world and way of doing things.
  • girlgerms · 1 year ago
    none of the top 20 web 2.0 services by traffic from the recent hitwise survey ever started off as tech geek sites. every single one of them (except maybe gaia online) reached out to a mainstream audience from the start.

    twitter, friendfeed, and digg aren't the future of the web (as companies, anyway). the future of the web will come from the meebos and plurks and tumblrs and picniks of the world -- none of which are popular with the techy/twitter crowd.
  • Curtis · 1 year ago
    I stopped using Im services years ago before twiiter arrived on the scene. Good post!
  • sash · 1 year ago
    well done Robert, great post and great vid. thanks.
  • Marisa Duma · 1 year ago
    Meebo's quite useful especially when online from office. Some companies disallow their employees from using instant messenger softwares, thus web chats such as Meebo can come in handy.
  • Kyle Sagaas · 1 year ago
    I agree with you. The insights you have so provided here helps and I have enjoyed this post. More power!
  • fusionsearcher · 1 year ago
    http://www.ebuddy.com/

    The Dutch answer!
  • Tom Schavo · 1 year ago
    i use meebo regularly, helps me get all messengers into one.
  • seth · 1 year ago
    Hey Catchwa & Les - when we first launched meebo, you would have been right on the money. The primary use case was at work, followed by school and then home. Over time, the user case switched to where meebo's now primarily used at people's homes, followed by school and work. I think it's a bit like Hotmail is to email - you can get the same experience everywhere, so you use it no matter where you are, including at home. So people likely found meebo at work and then brought it home with them.
  • sam · 1 year ago
    and what IS meebo?
  • Bruce Curley · 1 year ago
    E.B. White...what do you think about Robert's word "monetizable?"

    Are you still updating "Elements of Style?"
  • Chris Bucchere · 1 year ago
    @Josh Catone: I disagree that meebo doesn't have a vibrant developer community. There are 50+ third party applications (which doesn't hold a candle to Facebook's 10,000+ applications, but still it shows that people are developing for the platform). Also, there are thousands of people who embed "meebo me" widgets and thousands more who integrate meebo rooms (which can be skinned to match your site).

    I've been using meebo since the alpha in 2005 and since day one, they've been my IM client of choice. No install, cross-IM-vendor support, good buddy-list management, FF plugin, works on port 80 to subvert firewall restrictions, great UI, unobtrusive ads, free, fast, skinnable, etc.

    My history with IM:

    http://feedhaus.blogspot.com/2007/11/my-love-af...

    One of the meebo applications I built:

    http://feedhaus.blogspot.com/2007/11/introducin...
  • Brett Nordquist · 1 year ago
    I used Meebo when I worked for a company that didn't allow us to install IM clients. I never blogged about it because it just wasn't very interesting and IM has been around for many years. The most excitement I saw around an IM client was ICQ and that's because it was something new. That's what Twitter has going for it: It's something new.
  • brooks van norman · 1 year ago
    Meebo Mobile and Meebo's Firefox extension rock. Video, like everything else has a very short shelf life. TubeMogul's got some great stats on this if anyone's interested.
  • E.B. White · 1 year ago
    okay. I stand corrected on "video". But still consider it poor English.
    Bruce, I'd love to update it. But Strunk thinks we should incorporate text writing
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  • Yert · 1 year ago
    I second the motion to put a Meebo Room on your blog Scoble. Otherwise your just letting Meebo sink into the depths.
  • Go Matt... · 1 year ago
    You know the amazing thing about all this new media and hype and all your self agrandizement on here and FriendFeed...

    Is that still one of the top most popular websites out there in hits and searches and relevance is still The Drudgereport. And it's not a blog, a feed, doesn't even have RSS capability. It's just plain old fashioned Internet muckraking by hand.
  • Josh · 1 year ago
    @EBWhite. What the hell? Does that give you some kind of satisfaction? Do you not even feel slightly lame for pointing out a mis-capitalized non-verb? It's like you think intelligence has something to do with pure grammatical correctness.

    Anyway, great post Robert! First time you've got me to comment and I've been following your blog since January...

    As some of these comments show though, it's clear to see why what Tech enthusiasts think simply doesn't equate to mainstream appeal. The success of Meebo is because 90% of people who use IM, use it because they just want to chat to their friends!

    File transfers, sharing, all those extra features... who cares really. The reality is Meebo is successful because it works just about everywhere and anywhere and does exactly what the mainstream wants... chat.
  • st0ragebear · 1 year ago
    Did it ever occur to you that perhaps why "most of their their users are on Internet Explorer" is because meebo is INCOMPATIBLE with the latest version of Firefox? (That's right, neither FF3 or FF3.1 work AT ALL with meebo) There's a shining example of a web site for ya.
  • Jef · 1 year ago
    Great post and it echos pop culture. Most of the best music, movies, whatever is underhyped. Meanwhile, pop music is full of crap. Pop in any medium usually sucks. Always has, always will.
  • novelistkat · 1 year ago
    I really enjoy Meebo. So glad you reviewed it.
  • Prokofy · 1 year ago
    Gosh, I didn't think to tell you how important Meebo is! My teenagers use it at least an hour a day, it's a big constant in their lives, beyond AIM, beyond WoW or cell phones or anything. Why? Because you can run several services at once on it, AIM plus YM etc. Why else? Because it's very simple, you just go on the web.

    Most people don't want to post for everyone else to see it, they just want to have personal conversations with their friends, but several friends simultaneously and separately, Meebo suits their needs perfectly.
  • Gianni · 1 year ago
    Meebo is great! :)
    http://www.helpmetogeta5d.tk/
  • primelens · 1 year ago
    I have been on Meebo since late last year. The service is great and is continually improving. I especially love the company blog update everytime you start Meebo.

    Meebo me??? :)
  • Josh · 1 year ago
    @st0ragebear

    I would a lot of people use Meebo is becuase they cant install anything (work, school etc) so wouldn't have firefox anyway. However they probably should fix that soon.
  • Olga Lednichenko · 1 year ago
    I use meemo at my Blog and I like it for other things as well.. But Robert.. I am confused : I thought its always better when a company ( betetr - product) is known not the company or the CEO behind the same.. Are you sure you didnt get the other way round?

    Think P& G.. most people know their products.. few people can associate the or the company !

    PS: I didnt know your name for a long time but I knew your blog for a long time ( I dont notice Robert) ..

    Cheers
    Olga Lednichenko
  • Olga Lednichenko · 1 year ago
    BTW: Just to Clarify: I though Scobleizer ( i still cant pronounce your name) was some name after a BEER :) --> I just bookmarked your Blog --> not you.. if I were u.. I would take that as a compliment..

    Cheers
    Olga Lednichenko
  • Olga Lednichenko · 1 year ago
    Cant help but add: When an actor is recognized by the Character -- its called success.. so.. when ceo will be recognized by meebo.. it is success..
  • Doc Johnson · 3 months ago
    Both Meebo and Twitter are great and serve vaguely similar purposes, but with hindsight as my guide, Twitter's mass media acceptance really gave a leg up in this imaginary race between the two companies.

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