DISQUS

Scobleizer: The John Dvorakification of the blogosphere (I’m signing off of Memeorandum)

  • Bill Faulkner · 3 years ago
    Robert

    I loved the post, but I think that Dvorak might be getting a bum rap. He may indeed write the things he does in order to generate buzz, but I also find a lot of his "diatribes" to be on target. I admit, I'm a fan and have been since the 80's. I am an old guy in this IT world now since I can remember back when ;-)

    But I still enjoy John's writings. And remember that he started all this "back in the day" pre Internet.

    My opinions do not reflect my wife's

    bill
  • Steph · 3 years ago
    Popular !== interesting.
  • Steve Kirks · 3 years ago
    Robert:

    Consider using the Memeorandum javascript badge as a way to read the site instead of RSS. I have it on my site (right under the picture) and use it as a way to see "what's buzzing" without getting caught up in the details and flack.

    Steve
  • scobleizer · 3 years ago
    Steve: that doesn't work for me. It would draw me back into.
  • billg · 3 years ago
    >>"Why...all the snark...? Cause everyone wants traffic...That translates into traffic. Traffic = advertising dollars."

    Ah, Grasshopper, you have learned the secret of Talk Radio. If you make half your audience Mad As Hell while the other half wear a self-congratulatory Ego-Boosting Smirk, then they'll all tune in tomorrow.

    An awful lot of blogs -- especially political blogs -- draw traffic this way. Their comment sections have all the attributes of a bar fight. Maybe we ought to christen them "Talks Blogs".
  • Richard MacManus · 3 years ago
    I don't think the problem is Memeorandum or news trackers per se, but then maybe Gabe could tweak the algorithm to weed out the flame wars and other personal stuff that isn't really "tech". It's not news, after all...
  • /pd · 3 years ago
    Very impressive !! welcome to true conversations - the ones "you" choose !!

    'Nuff said
  • Richard · 3 years ago
    The next version of Newsgator Outlook Edition (currently in Beta 2) does exactly what point 1 of the 43 folders post asks for. "Test Drive" allows you to subscribe for x days, then an alert pops up to tell you its expired - either kill the alert, subscribe fully, or another test drive.
  • matthew · 3 years ago
    In that sense, Megite does a better job

    1) Megite auto discovers new blogs (not just A-list)

    2) Megite doesn't require link analysis to rank good news

    3) Megite can be customized based on your own OPML file (or your feeds).
  • Gabe · 3 years ago
    Hah, well, you know I spend more time in Bloglines than tech.memeorandum myself. If there really was such a dichotomy, I think t.m would be a really obnoxious proposition. Fortunately everybody is free to read both.

    Er, except for you this week. Your memeorandum-free diet should make for an interesting experiment!

    BTW, yeah, memeorandum really transforms into something entirely different on the weekends. It's like downtown after hours, a little stranger, a little creepier.
  • Seth Finkelstein · 3 years ago
    Ironically, this post is currently very prominent on Memeorandum.

    In Soviet Russia, Memeorandum won't unsubscribe from YOU! :-)
  • Kevin Burton · 3 years ago
    Use Tailrank.. you tan tell it to monitor the blogs YOU care about. I'll blog it and give you a full example here soon Robert... I have a bunch of Tailrank stuff to get done before ETech though :-)..

    RE memetrackers on the weekend. I've noticed this too. There's much less traffic on the weekends to my results become a bit.... anemic.

    Onward....

    Kevin
  • Jason B. · 3 years ago
    Let's not forget the intended purpose for Memeorandum: A quick fix. Yeah, sometimes when I sit down with my first morning coffee I don't have time (yeah, I guess I have work to do) for downloading 100 percent of the info I probably want my brain to have so I head to Memeorandum and see what all the fuss is about. They should rename it techfuss.com It's available. Now, Mememorandum is also a great Geek Drama-o-Meter.

    If this is the only place you ever get your news then you probably don't have your calendar blocked off enough. Personally, I don't know if I would totally ignore anything Robert.
  • matthew · 3 years ago
    So go with personalized RSS reader
  • Ethan · 3 years ago
    Or this was about Memeorandum not having full feeds. I declare victory. Give glory to me and your soul to Hades, and remember to tip your waiter or waitress. Try the veal!
  • Josh Bancroft · 3 years ago
    Subscribe to the RSS feed. Then, memeorandum is just another feed that might make you smarter. That's what I do. Helps keep it all in perspective.
  • Joe Pinegar · 3 years ago
    It's amazing how quickly things get out of hand. In the area of scalability, it appears that anything useful gets ruined, e.g.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_com...

    I'm pretty sure that the blogsphere will drown in its own noise, just like CB radio of the 70s did, and somewhat more recently Usenet. The arena is much larger, because there's more people with access to it. Bets on how long before blogs are irrelevant?

    Maybe we'll be lucky and develop filters to get the noise-to-signal ratio down to a bearable level. Right after that effective spam filter, yeah.
  • G Man · 3 years ago
    I dont get this.

    Why do you have to be all-or-nothing memeorandum or not?

    Read your obscure and esoteric blogs. Also spend a few minutes scanning through memeorandum to see what the current buzz is about.

    What is your problem?
  • John Dowdell · 3 years ago
    Also, Robert, I may have missed it, but have you had an opinion on the forged Islamic cartoon controversy?
  • Gabe · 3 years ago
    Hi, this is Gabe Rivera again. Though I left a comment already as "Gabe" (#9), "G Man" (#17) isn't me, even though he links to memeorandum.com.

    He makes a fair point though. Hey, GMan, please link to a different site, they may think you're me.
  • Jonathan Jesse · 3 years ago
    Robert,
    I have always posted here that I don't like memorandum because it does not cover the intrests that I am intrested. I am politically conservative and find that a lot of the blogs I'm interested do not show up on memorandum or are on there way too late for me to really care, I've already read the blog story. I've struggled between memorandum, bloglines and agrekator in Kontact when I'm on the linux partition.
    I guess who determines what is "hot" on memorandum? Because the "discussion" that occurs there is often not what I'm intrested in.
  • Paul Montgomery · 3 years ago
    The first rule of Memeorandum is: blog about Memeorandum. Blog about it constantly and incessantly. Make it the subject of a goodly portion of your posts. Complain about how everyone is whoring for Memeo linkbait in a post which is certifiable linkbait. Attack established bloggers for extra linkbait juice, with bonus points if you attack them for them attacking something else. Make broad generalisations, preferably in a passive-aggressive manner which insults everyone reading the article, with special jackpots available if you question their intelligence.

    After all this, claim the high moral ground.
  • DavidH · 3 years ago
    Robert, with all due respect, you must spend an enormous amount of time in your RSS aggregator. I have to believe that 847 feeds is attention overload/ saturation for 99.999% of world. There is no way for average users to consistently kept up with that many feeds and have a life. Personally, I subscribe to over 250 feeds and currently have 7944 unread posts. Like many others, I'm drowning in content overload! I agree Memeorandum doesn't begin to solve our problem. But trying to keep up with 847 feeds is not a solution either.
  • scobleizer · 3 years ago
    DavidH: I'm sitting in front of a newsstand with dozens of magazines. Funny that I don't feel information overload here.

    I do spend a lot of time on my feeds. But then that's cause I want to be smarter.
  • Mark Wilson · 3 years ago
    Hi Robert

    You're on the money that usefulness is missing in the whole meme "sphere". The idea of a meme is good. The idea of finding a meme of interest to you today (relevance) is hard. The majority of meme sites are just coughing up the newest news. And quite often the very best posts on a subject (a meme) are not the newest ones. So IMO new /= relevant. Launrence Timms (Chuquet) and I (reBlogger) are initiating a conversation along those lines here:
    http://reblogger.wordpress.com/2006/03/03/memes...

    Opinions and thoughts are welcome.

    Thanks,
    Mark.
  • Guy Pelletier · 3 years ago
    I have to agree with you Robert, that whole purpose of blogging gets lost in the efforts of everyody to be seen/heard. One of the things that people tend to do is attempt to make money from whatever they can, this leads to advertising (seems that this system is ingrained into our DNA), which leads (hopefully) to profits. (there is a reason that Google is a force). A majority of bloggers could not care less about traffic or any of the related crap that is associated with it, all they want to do is talk about what intrests them (Passion) and see where it takes them.
    Welcome back to being who you are
  • Deepak · 3 years ago
    It's the age old question and frankly a fundamental problem facing the social web. Popular opinion vs. the opinions of a few, which may or may not have better quality. For example, I find very few of the stories on the Digg front page to be interesting, but buried underneath is a treasure trove. Memeorandum is driven by popular opinion, which works for some people,and not for others. IMO, some kind of combinations of RSS and memeorandum type services works for most people.
  • kelvin · 3 years ago
    This is very interesting. I agree with Gabe, it is not conflict that use both meme and rss reader.
  • Rick Mahn · 3 years ago
    Hehe... I like the Dvorak reference...

    Seriously Robert - you do make a good point on this. For me its tedious to dredge through Memeorandum to find interesting articles. Gabe may also be correct about the site on weekends. I've found good days and bad days for reading t.m., but mostly its frustrating to find anything relevent or intellegent to read.

    The best new blogs I've found have been linked off of blogs that I read regularly - I've yet to find a new blog off t.m. that I return to.

    -Rick
  • Colin · 3 years ago
    I am impressed. I have noticed lately the Scobleizer focus has been on the people in the blogs, and had lost the focus on the new/ cool interesting things going on, that suggest IMHO we are on the verge of a "tipping point" as Web 2.0 ( I hate that espression) takes hold.
    Welcome back!!
  • scobleizer · 3 years ago
    Rick and others, why have I changed on Memeorandum lately? Cause more and more blogs got ADDED and I couldn't delete the ones who weren't adding value to me. But, giving me a customized version of Memeorandum will take more machines. Gabe, when you gonna get funded and start making this a personizable service?

    Kevin: I'm getting more and more impressed by TailRank. It still brings me too much stuff too, but one of you will hit on the magic combination. I can't wait.
  • Vasanth · 3 years ago
    I have posted my comments about this here: http://www.vasanth.in/2006/03/06/ReadingStylesF....

    Some how trackback does not work.
  • John · 3 years ago
    I'm not sure why they chose to print such unkindly words. I haven't heard hyperbole like that since... the old Bill Gates! Just kidding.
  • monk.e.boy · 3 years ago
    why write s**t when we all know you mean shit. The same with f**k, we know you mean fuck. Why bother blanking out bits? We can all cope with swearing.

    If s**t == shit, the surely s**t is just as rude?

    monk.e.boy
  • Tara 'Miss Rogue' Hunt · 3 years ago
    Man...who decides what is news and what isn't? Brrreeee...whatever that was news for, like, how long? And a totally valid, yet a little too vicious for it's own good, conversation about grassroots technology gatherings and the fear of the co-optation of them isn't news?

    Hmmmm...
  • Tara 'Miss Rogue' Hunt · 3 years ago
    oh...and...for the record...I don't think any of us wanted to be such a news item on Memeorandum. The snark came from true places of passion and hurt.

    ...I didn't even know it was there until I saw it appear in my bloglines...in your post and Richard's.
  • John Tokash · 3 years ago
    I use tech.memeorandum, tailrank and slashdot (GLADLY) as safety nets. I focus on relatively obscure feeds in my aggregator. If I didn't have those services around to make sure I don't miss the popular, general interest stuff, I'd have to subscribe to a lot more feeds.
  • Al · 3 years ago
    Well if you had been paying more attention to newer RSS feeds and your constant new discoveries you might have seen this folknology post : http://www.folknology.com/blog/1/1/2006/2/18/39 and de-focussed from the meme earlier.

    Although keeping the meme as an RSS feed can still make sense.

    Enjoy the return of sernedipity
    regards Al
  • Thomas Hawk · 3 years ago
    My individual RSS reading has been off a bit as well, but you may be throwing the baby out with the bath water here. Memeorandum is an excellent place to get a quick snapshot, say first thing in the morning, to see what is going on. Most of the time I see it and don't blog from what I find there. Sometimes I do.

    But what's been zapping my time more than anything these days are my Digg feeds. With Digg feeds I can customize by subject, person, etc. and get generally speaking interesting stories (most people try to submit stuff that will get dugg). Because it's focused on feeds I've set up (search terms of interest) it's focus is great. It's much broader than the authorities who get on Memeorandum and helps me find interesting new bloggers and people all the time.

    I think there is a place for all three though, my Memeorandum reading, RSS and Digg searches. But in the end we all only have so much time and it's a zero sum game to some degree.

    My problem with all of my blogs that I track is that so often they post articles I'm not interested in. I still think someone needs to come up with RSS feeds for search terms in predefined authority filters.
  • Joe Palladino · 3 years ago
    Robert,

    Memeorandum suffers from the same affliction that all peer ranking sites do. It is the very samething that makes them popular. Its the people who read them. Its not that they are bad, but its always the same people and as someone pointed out above, popular does not mean interesting or noteworthy. By using sites like Memeorandum, Digg, and the like; we’ve given up a fair amount of control for the convenience and automatic filtering of what we see.

    As far as the snarking goes, people will be people. No matter what the medium is, if it is open to the public to participate it will happen, especially with the anonymity of the net. Just look at the history: BBS’s, Usenet, then websites and forums, now blogs. They all suffered from snarking. Why should a peer aggregator/ranking site that culls from these sources be any different? A desktop or web personal aggregator isn’t going to be much different as the sources are the same. The only difference is that you can remove a feed from your radar if it gets too noisy for you.

    So my question to you Robert isn’t should you sign off or use a personal aggregator, but wouldn’t something like Feed Demon’s watches be more suitable?
  • Poster · 3 years ago
    Communities rise and fall, like civilizations; the tide rolls in and rolls out; music scenes bloom and wither. Do what builds you up.
  • Bernard Farrell · 3 years ago
    I can't resist. All this talk about snark made me think of Lewis Carroll. I really like his description of a Snark in the second fit (See http://www.literature.org/authors/carroll-lewis...), the fifth mark of a Snark is ambition, which seems entirely appropriate.

    And if you read Fit the First, then the first two verses might aptly describe Memeorandum!
  • Serge Lescouarnec · 3 years ago
    I personnally do not use memeorandum.

    Maybe because I am not a Tech guy, I usually read varied blogs on a number of topics.

    I find ideas and inspiration for my business in many places including the following: Coudal, Learned on Women, Is my blog Burning, Chocolate & Zucchini, Knowledge at Wharton to name a few.
    I like the diversity.

    While visiting the SEOS in New York last week, a number of companies in the Expo bored me by repeatedly bringing up Google rather than telling me how special they were.

    Serge
    http://www.njconcierges.com
    Blog:
    http://sergetheconcierge.typepad.com
  • Wil · 3 years ago
    I've recently cleaned up my bloglines subs for largely the same reason, and I have also noticed an unsettling trend for bloggers to go well beyond snark and cross into outright cruelty and insults in order to generate traffic to their blogs. It's almost like the troll is no longer content to spew in comments, but has figured out that he can draw a small profit by pulling people into his own blog.

    The posts you linked are all interesting; any chance you'd share your RSS subs (or part of them) with the unwashed masses who also like to feel smarter?
  • scobleizer · 3 years ago
    Wil: my RSS subs are shared on the right side of my blog. (Use the NewsGator one, it's more up to date).
  • Robert W. Anderson · 3 years ago
    Robert -- I've come up with the HypterText Snarkup Language (HTSL) to both help publishers be more snarky and readers to avoid unwanted snarkiness.

    ;)
  • the head lemur · 3 years ago
    Robert,

    You need help! You really seriously need help.
    http://theheadlemur.typepad.com/ravinglunacy/20...

    Get some help Robert! Step away from the computer and find a treatment program where you can return to sanity. Take all the time you need. We will be here when you get back.
  • Goebbels · 3 years ago
    Duh. Some of us have said this for a very long time now. You were just hyping it 5 days ago. If only it didn't take you a year to figure out crap that must of us see on first viewing, maybe you'd deserve your reputation.
  • Gabe · 3 years ago
    Me again. In Trackback #54, Jake Ludington infers that this post was manually blocked from appearing on memeorandum. The problem with this conclusion is that it DID show up on memeorandum. I'm not sure why Jake didn't bother to check the archives. Just thought I would respond here.
  • Paul Montgomery · 3 years ago
    Gabe, if you had implemented permalinked memes like I asked then Jake's search would be much easier. :D
  • Net · 3 years ago
    Hey, you need a life (outside Tech), you know there is a whole beutiful world out there without trackbacks, pings and links: go fishing, pick up bird watching, read a REAL book (not tech or business related),play with kids or listen to old peoples stories...and it comes without RSS, OPML and all that scary stuff.
  • The Vole Strangler · 3 years ago
    People like David Aaranovich are the John Dvoraks of MSM. This is not a new phenomenon, but you are right we must strangle the voles. When you strange a vole you cut of the oxygen supply and they die. Come to my blogsite and discuss the best way to strangle voles.
  • dahowlett · 3 years ago
    Speaking of good stuff for your RSS reader - seen this? JP is blogging - JP Rangaswami, CIO of Dresdner Kleinwort Wasserstein and it is very, very good.

    While I'm here, thanks for the Feed43 tip - solved a mega problem for me on a non-RSS'd site. (no advertising required)
  • Richard Soderberg · 3 years ago
    The 43folders RSS improvements article came up in the context of my newsreader recently; it sparked good discussion. I'm cheered to see it highlighted here; both points are valid. Feed expiration based on lack of attention would have useful implications for bookmark ordering as well.
  • Jack Yan · 3 years ago
    Good point. With smart people, we can make the world better. With snarky people, we just add to the clutter.
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