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Re: Social networks as “friend” Nazi (design flaws in Facebook, Jaiku, Twitter)

Dan — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:47:24 -0000

You have it right on with this post.

The "Network NAzi" syndrome is alive and well

oh dan I will end up on the twitter blacklist for that one

Re: Social networks as “friend” Nazi (design flaws in Facebook, Jaiku, Twitter)

Sally — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:14:52 -0000

So-called "friends" in internet and friends in real life differ and we have not to forget about it.

Re: Social networks as “friend” Nazi (design flaws in Facebook, Jaiku, Twitter)

Kevin Fox — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:46:56 -0000

I think OpenID could be a technology that would ease your woes regarding not having a portable identity / address book [...] The momentum of OpenID and fact that Facebook is working with Open Source companies like Six Apart certainly makes it plausible we could see Facebook support OpenID in the future. [...]

Re: Social networks as “friend” Nazi (design flaws in Facebook, Jaiku, Twitter)

Robert Scoble — Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:50:24 -0000

Sam, turns out that if you log into Facebook on other devices or on the Web it'll log you out of your cell phone.

Re: Social networks as “friend” Nazi (design flaws in Facebook, Jaiku, Twitter)

Sam Jackson — Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:19:26 -0000

Really, you have those problems with FB mobile? I don't on my MotoQ IE--I'm logged in for weeks.

Re: Social networks as “friend” Nazi (design flaws in Facebook, Jaiku, Twitter)

deirdrestraughan — Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:25:05 -0000

Even worse in most online apps/Web 2.0 products I have worked with (and I've tried dozens, especially in the video hosting arena) is that they pay no attention to critical details like the login.

I am now forced to abandon Twitter because I tried to reset the password Monday (couldn't remember it, and needed it to try their Facebook widget), tried the reset function several times, and it just plain doesn't work. The form doesn't even align properly on the page when reloaded after a failure.

Emails to Twitter support, both via the form and direct email, have gone unanswered. Pity. I really liked Twitter, and have a lot of friends there. Now I'll have to see whether their competition does any better at handling the basics.

Re: Social networks as “friend” Nazi (design flaws in Facebook, Jaiku, Twitter)

Eduardo Sciammarella — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:46:29 -0000

We think you are right. We are building a social network address book called Fidg't.

Re: Social networks as “friend” Nazi (design flaws in Facebook, Jaiku, Twitter)

zephoria — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:37:40 -0000

Scoble - are you aware of my article on friending? You might appreciate it: http://www.firstmonday.org/...

Re: Social networks as “friend” Nazi (design flaws in Facebook, Jaiku, Twitter)

Chris — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:54:30 -0000

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBay...
Well, in retrospect I guess social networking isn't so bad. :)
You gotta love the internet!

BTW, My PSP also sold for 1/3 more than what the Microplay here wanted to give me for it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBay...

Maybe the Scoble Wiki/Friendster Frankenstein will work after all. The new server should be here in a couple days so I can drive it down to the DC and find the hell out.

Re: Social networks as “friend” Nazi (design flaws in Facebook, Jaiku, Twitter)

Petteri Koponen — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:01:18 -0000

Robert, thanks for picking on Jaiku as well :)

Your comment on not being able to see the people who have friended with you is a valid one and the feature is already on our roadmap. If you want to invite your existing contacts, check out http://jaiku.com/contacts/i.... It is still limited in terms of services you can import from, but getting more complete.

Regarding the ability to make a difference between types of friends ("school buddies", "colleagues", ...), we'll soon introduce new channel functionality, which should take away part of the pain here. In addition, I've been selling the idea of people tagging for our team for some time, but let's see what happens there. I'd love to hear about your ideas of how the tags could be leveraged?

See you later today!

Re: Social networks as “friend” Nazi (design flaws in Facebook, Jaiku, Twitter)

shannonclark — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:32:50 -0000

Robert,

Exactly. By checklist I meant in terms of defining the actions related to a tag - that's the biggest piece from a programming perspective - but you are right, the specific tags will be unique to each person (but I would still suggest that rather than a blank slate the network suggest a few standard types for people to start with if they don't want to go through the effort of customizing - i.e. you might then "clone" the privacy rules for "family" for the tag "cafesinAmsterdam"

Shannon

Re: Social networks as “friend” Nazi (design flaws in Facebook, Jaiku, Twitter)

Ivan Pope — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:34:59 -0000

Remember: Friends don't ask Friends to be Friends.
Join the Social Hermits: http://hermits.ning.com

Re: Social networks as “friend” Nazi (design flaws in Facebook, Jaiku, Twitter)

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Re: Social networks as “friend” Nazi (design flaws in Facebook, Jaiku, Twitter)

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Re: Social networks as “friend” Nazi (design flaws in Facebook, Jaiku, Twitter)

Prokofy — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 03:48:52 -0000

Hey there Scoble, friendz 4-ever

Re: Social networks as “friend” Nazi (design flaws in Facebook, Jaiku, Twitter)

Anonymous — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:52:18 -0000

People go apeshit about the feds being able to find out what book they checked out from the library but they'll freely populate a database with who all their friends are.

The line in the silicon stops a little short of that for me.

Re: Social networks as “friend” Nazi (design flaws in Facebook, Jaiku, Twitter)

blr bytes — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:40:15 -0000

You know, I've been writing to Facebook support regarding the constant signing in, and they suggested I "...try clearing your mobile’s cache and cookies,
then try logging into m.facebook.com."

It did help. Once. It's most frustrating.

Re: Social networks as “friend” Nazi (design flaws in Facebook, Jaiku, Twitter)

atmasphere — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:07:36 -0000

No arguments here on your desires and issues with the friends bit. A search would be great that worked on all the networks as well.

On the N95, you can actually save login details. I've found it always works for username - though not always for password. If you've saved the info, the way to call back your entry is by entering the first character and then pressing down, which will show your name. You can select it and then your form info will fill.

Re: Social networks as “friend” Nazi (design flaws in Facebook, Jaiku, Twitter)

Jackson Fox — Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:11:52 -0000

It's all about situational relevance -- you need to manage a large pool of professional contacts. I just want to keep in touch with my high school friends. Facebook doesn't need to support both of us, it's probably better that they don't. At the same time, if there isn't a site out there that meets your needs then there's a business opportunity.

Of course, there's the problem that my high school friends keep hopping networks, and I keep having to add them again and again. That's a real problem, and while I appreciate the ability to import my Gmail contacts into Facebook it isn't quite the same thing as importing my MySpace contacts.

Anyways, my point is that every SNS site has to choose: How will they model relationships? Will they try to support small networks or large networks? Will they encourage people to meet strangers or help people track down people they already know? Each of those decisions has implications in how the system can be used. Facebook made their decisions -- of course they might change their mind someday -- and those decisions lead to a system which might not work the way you want.

Honestly, it would suck if every SNS site worked the same way.

Re: Social networks as “friend” Nazi (design flaws in Facebook, Jaiku, Twitter)

Robert Scoble — Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:02:56 -0000

Fred: anytime! When will you be in San Francisco area soon?

Re: Social networks as “friend” Nazi (design flaws in Facebook, Jaiku, Twitter)

Chris — Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:57:17 -0000

"Kill the profiles, use open protocols, make it easy to find needed contacts, and make the system opt-out versus opt-in."

I'm reposting this link so you can read it well.
http://freemyspace.com/hist...

I've met some of the people behind these sites. They are not interested in rfc standards ect... They are not interested in the same goals as google.
http://collect.myspace.com/...

MySpace built up their membership not only by getting celebs, copying friendster ect.. But they had parties, physical parties in LA, and other places. Then they went and advertised on comcast channels.

Most of the people involved in Social networking are not interested in the technical details. Their programmers are not the best programmers because it's not something that you can say is an accomplishment really. No offense to Duc, he did a great job with the ugly mess that is cold fusion.

To understand why the sites are the way they are, you kind of have to have met some of the people or at least talked to them. They're not the Kevin Rose type for the most part. They're the Kevin Pereira type.

Re: Social networks as “friend” Nazi (design flaws in Facebook, Jaiku, Twitter)

fred wilson — Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:54:10 -0000

robert

lets go out for a beer and fix this problem. then we'll be real friends!

fred

Re: Social networks as “friend” Nazi (design flaws in Facebook, Jaiku, Twitter)

Douglas Karr — Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:00:57 -0000

"I'm too old"... you made me laugh out loud!

Re: Social networks as “friend” Nazi (design flaws in Facebook, Jaiku, Twitter)

Robert Scoble — Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:33:18 -0000

Scott: want to go to Amsterdam? Then you'll be able to see just what happens. Some things will never get discussed online and are meant just for Face-to-Face meetings. :-)

Re: Social networks as “friend” Nazi (design flaws in Facebook, Jaiku, Twitter)

Robert Scoble — Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:32:35 -0000

Amyloo: a lot of it is, yes. You should look at LinkedIn. It's the ultimate of this kind of behavior. "How do I use XXX to get my resume in front of YYY."