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Re: Shhh, no one is on Twitter

Dan Keldsen — Thu, 01 May 2008 15:48:25 -0000

Incidentally, I thought I was one of the only strange ones in Boston to be using Twitter, until I went to a Knowledge Management session at Bentley College a few weeks ago, and 30-50% of the KM people (most of them older than me, and I'm an Apple ][+ kinda guy) had heard of and were using Twitter.

I was flabbergasted to be honest. As a result of twittering, found out one fellow works not 2 blocks from me. This isn't just a Silly-Con Valley phenomenon. ;)

Re: Shhh, no one is on Twitter

Dan Keldsen — Thu, 01 May 2008 15:27:54 -0000

Twitter is no more or less of a time waster than e-mail, IM, blogging, reading, 'riting, 'rithmetic.

Once you start to get a following, like on any 'social network' then you can do awfully useful things like quickly poll the crowd on simple things like "is website x.com down for anyone else? (typepad for example)" to feedback on new web designs, what cell phone to buy out of a handful of choices, etc..

The virtual watercooler effect is pretty handy, and doesn't require firing up a "room" in any sort of IM/IRQ/ICQ-style parlance. You step in and out of the flow as you like.

But Twitter certainly does bad things for you if you lean at all towards ADD! :)

Re: Shhh, no one is on Twitter

Kasey — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:23:06 -0000

I live in the Midwest (Ohio). The first time I heard of Twitter it sounded dumb. I signed up, though.

Since then:
-I recruited my entire office to sign up and use Twitter on a daily basis
-My workmates post updates about our clients' successes and updates about our software on Twitter (shameless promotion: http://twitter.com/donordrive)
-I got my MOM to sign up and use Twitter on a semi-regular basis
-I've met new people from my area
-I've attended more local events and got other people to attend

You're saying Twitter isn't useful? It's sure working out for me.

Re: Shhh, no one is on Twitter

Ryan — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:42:37 -0000

Signed up at Twitter a few months ago out of curiosity, but after spending some time there, I simply can't figure out what to do with it or what problem is solves for me. Nobody I know uses it. Haven't gone back to the site since.

Same story with Facebook. I signed up a year ago, but probably logged in twice in my life. I can't figure out why people use it, but they apparently do.

Re: Shhh, no one is on Twitter

Larissa Fair — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:25:54 -0000

@larryborsato - actually, DC has a pretty large tech/web 2.0/start-up community. I agree that random wedding guests may not be the best option (DC being a transient town, and guest maybe from out of town) - but as a whole there is a big community of users in DC. Even if you look at the political community, many politicians are turning to Web 2.0 technologies to reach constituents.

@lyf108

Re: Shhh, no one is on Twitter

Christopher Coulter — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:03:50 -0000

Twitter is for attention seekers

Yup. Broadcast mode to your cult followers, and the conference crowd party-modes. But give it time, their attention will wane, and either Twitter will do something to collectively tick them off, on their road to making money, or some bright sparkle-shiny new toy, will grab all the new attention.

A nifty feature perhaps, but hardly something to wrap an entire company around.

Re: Shhh, no one is on Twitter

homo viator — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:34:18 -0000

I hope your post was ironice from the start, including your question in line 1, asking why you get a twitter every second. I think we all know the answer why Mr. Scoble gets a Twitter every second. I don't get one every second and I never will want to get one every second. I have never seen a bigger waster of productive time like Twitter before.
I have a little suggestion for an interesting EXPERIMENT for you:

STEP 1: Count the time you spent on skim reading the following tweets or starting to read tweets that you do not finish reading because:

- they do not tell you anything you did not know already

- they talk about things that do not interest you ("I am your follower number 5036 and i am going to my aunt's birthday")

STEP 2:

- count the time you spent on reading tweets that really interest you, where you learn something viable and valuable in a sustainable matter.

Step 3:

- compare the time you spent on reading step-2 tweets with the time you spent skim-reading or partially reading step 1 tweets. (even if it is just two word you read, there will be hundreds such post and you will spent a considerable time reading these airy posts) I BET YOU 10 $$$$$ b (maybe some other readers want to bet with me???????) that you spent more time on the latter.

But now lets just look at the interesting step-2 tweets: do you honestly believe that it makes sense to spent all that time reading these tweets? think about what else you could do with that time, think about the scarcity of time: you could read blogs, books, scientific research, all treating the same subject matter that interests you and that those step-2 tweets relate to. There is so much more relevent content out there than those tweets. And the learning outcome of tweets is minimal, because the time you spent on them is so little. Sustainable learning comes in other ways. Or you could do productive work, answer all those unanswered mails, maybe spent more time on getting more and better interview partners for fastcompanytv.

Twitter is for attention seekers, people who prefer going to conferences than sit behind their desk and work (I actually do prefer that as well), people who prefer holding a meeting than getting things done. It is the ultimate waster of time and does not play a role outside the tech bubble, where people do not have to spent so much time working, because their VCs see them as part of the product as well. And what better way to self-market yourself than building yourself a neat following base. Twitter will never make it mainstream and attention addicts will move on to other services. If Twitter will ever be a profitable company, please do send me a tweet though.

Re: Shhh, no one is on Twitter

Rob Moir — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:32:38 -0000

I'm sorry to seem like I'm just coming here to whine but Robert, I really wish you and a lot of the other "web2.0" commentators would wake up.

Very few people outside of the usual suspects have heard of things like twitter and very few of them care when they are shown it.

What problem actually suffered by "real" people outside of the cutting edge of on-line IT folks like us do things like twitter actually solve?

Re: Shhh, no one is on Twitter

Andrew Badera — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:22:55 -0000

It is, in fact, somewhat true that almost no one outside Silicon Valley really knows a thing about Twitter, o cares. Even among the hardcore geek/engineer circles in which I move, Twitter is still a mystery. We had Tech Valley's first Code Camp last week, and only one or two of the presenters were on Twitter, and neither of those is a heavy user. I think we got one or two more on board in the meantime, but still, if Twitter hasn't penetrated to the geeks on the East Coast who are respected in more than just one metro market, then it really hasn't penetrated, has it? Then again, same thing could be said about Facebook four years back.

I think Twitter is the biggest current challenge to Facebook, both in geek and marketing circles -- and that's really saying something. Yes, they've faced technical challenges, but usage is growing rapidly, name recognition is greatly increasing (thanks in no small part to your efforts, Scoble -- I don't cast everything you do Twitter-wise in a negative light, but I certainly examine all aspects and facets in their own right) and third parties are building entire ecosystems around the API.

Facebook is overgrown, Twitter is minimalist. Twitter can put niche experts in touch with their audience, or community, in ways simply not possible before. That said, Twitter is still in its infancy. I predict great things to come.

Re: Shhh, no one is on Twitter

Ryan — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:43:33 -0000

Also...

When I was in Dallas last, my 16 year old cousin was having a party. There were about 20 16 year old girls and a few boys there, and I showed them Twitter.

They didn't get it. They thought it was pointless. They said "why do i need this?? I have myspace bulletins and text messaging and instant messaging. Why would i use this over those?"

It didn't even hold their interest longer than 10 seconds, even as they saw me using it.

Re: Shhh, no one is on Twitter

Ryan — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:40:26 -0000

Robert. Leave the west coast. Nobody outside of the west coast is on twitter.

It's something that's really popular in your world, but not in the rest of the world.

You and your friends are a niche. All the names you drop, people you follow and link to, unheard of outside of the west coast.

I'm not trying to be mean, just trying to put things in perspective.

Re: Shhh, no one is on Twitter

Internet Business Blogger — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:57:24 -0000

Sorry to here that Kara can't find anyone at a wedding using Twitter and only the Echo chamber of Silicon Valley can even know about Twitter.

I live in Calgary and I use Twitter.

Maybe it is not so important to everyone else, maybe we are early adopters, or maybe it just doesn't matter and we have found the 24x7 online party that everyone else doesn't know about yet

Re: Shhh, no one is on Twitter

Jeff Putz — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:45:57 -0000

I still maintain that just because a niche wholly embraces it doesn't mean it's the future or the second coming. I fear for people who want to be that connected all of the time. Lots of attention whoring and narcissism if you ask me.

Re: Shhh, no one is on Twitter

anon — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:49:15 -0000

I still maintain that Twitter is a feature, not a product.

Re: Shhh, no one is on Twitter

Steve — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:12:54 -0000

@18 passed a million users or passed a million tire-kickers? The better measure would how many of those "users" use it at least once a week? The more accrate statement is no one of any consequence is regularly ok twitter

Re: Shhh, no one is on Twitter

God — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:19:49 -0000

I hate twitter.
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Re: Shhh, no one is on Twitter

Larry Borsato — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:40:34 -0000

Kara didn't ask her friends; she essentially asked 100 random people at a wedding in Washington, DC. Washington is focused on politics, and not the coolest new technology.

I expect that you'd get the same response pretty much anywhere if you asked the same question.

Re: Shhh, no one is on Twitter

Ramsey Mohsen — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:22:24 -0000

What's with all this "early adopter" talk. It's people of the "early adopter" demographic that are using Twitter -- not because Twitter is new. That's part of the problem, converting people who aren't within that demographic type which is a part of making Twitter a mainstream product.

Twitter launched in July of 2006. It's far from new.

--
@ramseym

Re: Shhh, no one is on Twitter

anon — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:19:37 -0000

Twitter may or may not be going mainstream, but it is getting polluted.

I personally created four separate accounts: all of which you follow by the way.

Two of them have never been posted to, one is sent a random line of text every five minutes using the Twitter API, and one I update with a fictitious daily status.

All of these twitter accounts get one or two new followers a day, people I don't know, who are following over a thousand other people, in some cases over ten thousand people.

This level of noise may kill Twitter before it gets widely adopted.

Re: Shhh, no one is on Twitter

Derek Gathright — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:24:14 -0000

The biggest thing people have to realize with Twitter is that it isn't a place to connect to people you already know, it's a place to connect to new people. And that is so hard to inform people of, because they have no one to tell them.

Robert, sure you get a tweet / second, but how many of those people did you know personally prior to getting on Twitter? Because you are so involved in the tech world, take your number, and divide it by 1000, cause that's everyone else's number. Most people know 0-2 people who are on Twitter prior to signing up. I knew 0 people when I signed up, and it took me 18 months before I actually started using it on a daily basis. There is an extremely steep learning curve with Twitter, not because it is complicated, but because it is simple, almost too simple. People don't inherently "get" it.

I don't know what will push Twitter into the mainstream, but like Ramsey said, something will have to shift in the way people perceive social networks before that happens. The first thing people do on Myspace/facebook is add their friends. 99.99999999% of people can't add more than 1 or 2 people on Twitter, and that's the biggest drawback with the service right now. The vast majority of voices on Twitter are those the tech world early adoptees. My gf signed up for twitter at my urging, but she's still kinda lost with what to do, and there's really no one of interest for her to follow aside from getting local weather updates or CNN's breaking news feed.

The change will occur when something radically different occurs than what we have now. Desktop apps (Twitterific / Twhirl) threw Twitter into the mainstream with the tech crowd, and we'll need something equally disruptive before Paris Hilton starts twittering.

It'll happen, just not sure when or how.

@derek

Re: Shhh, no one is on Twitter

Robert Scoble — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:22:30 -0000

Ontario: in just the past week 1,000 have followed me, so someone is definitely joining up (and they just passed a million users, too).

Re: Shhh, no one is on Twitter

Ontario Emperor — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:19:26 -0000

When I first joined Twitter last fall, I went to see if my friends were on it. I started with my MySpace friends, who included some teenagers (former exchange students) and others who I thought fit in the Twitter demographic. I asked them if they were on Twitter, and none of them was.

In addition, I've realized that my negative assessment of Twitter's continued viability is probably wrong. The stories about the funding, the potential of Twitter breaking into the mainstream, all indicate that Twitter is still on a growth path, even though the bleeding edges have passed it by.

My only question - if 20 million people join Twitter, are they ready?

Re: Shhh, no one is on Twitter

Jameson — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:06:46 -0000

I agree, it is early. But I find it much more appealing than I ever found Myspace/Facebooks. There is just too much with those networking sites, Twitter is simple/concise, like the good 'ole days of AOL>AIM

Re: Shhh, no one is on Twitter

Robert Scoble — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:05:01 -0000

John: only 1/6th of the world is even on PCs. So, we're ALL early adopters! :-)

Re: Shhh, no one is on Twitter

John — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:49:11 -0000

You are a super-early adopter. Not everyone's on Twitter. I don't really use it at all. When I signed up initially, it was almost indecipherable as to what to do.

Nice bumping into you and meeting you in person at Web 2.0 last Wednesday.