DISQUS

Scobleizer: Scoble responsible for destroying the utility of the social graph

  • Adam Jackson · 9 months ago
    Hey Robert. Excellent point and I also agree with this. Lately, I've created a Facebook Fan Page and am directing people there. I hate the word "fans" but it helps to differentiate my true friends on Facebook and those that I'm simply connected to via the web. I have 760 friends on Facebook but the value of that to me may be high but socially, the graph is broken.

    Twitter and FriendFeed have great tactics and Twitter is certainly lagging behind FriendFeed at this time (IE groups) but certainly a follower that you don't have to follow back is excellent and one ups Myspace and Facebook where mutual relationships must be created.

    I, for one, miss the Facebook Social Timeline. It's buried now but was my favorite part of Facebook and I wish we could bring it back to the forefront.

    Thanks for the post and I'll try out Feedly. I wish you and I could have sat down at SXSWi but we both kept passing each other in the halls. Maybe next year.
  • Linnet Woods · 9 months ago
    Glad you said that because, although I ditched Facebook altogether a few weeks ago and have no plans to return, I am on LinkedIn and MySpace as well as Twitter and, if I had to reduce my contacts to my close personal friends, the three of us might as well just stick with Skype and forget the rest! LOL
  • Dare Obasanjo · 9 months ago
    I'm amused that the Facebook employee didn't realize the irony of the fact that with their recent redesign they've done a better job of destroying the value of the social graph on their site than a thousand Robert Scobles adding anyone & everyone to their "friend" list.
  • AC · 9 months ago
    Apparently you think friends are just people you ask for opinions or something. Here's one definition:
    http://www.dilbert.com/blog/entry/define_friend/
  • kmitchell · 9 months ago
    I will have to look into Friendfeed in order to put "different people into different contexts". I have two accounts on Twitter: one is for my company and revolves around the telecom space, and the other is more for me and is a little more personal. I just went through my company account and unfollowed those who didn't have anything to do with telecommunications in order to better follow those in my industry. It has worked well, and I have been thinking about how I can do that for other groups like small business or website optimization. And maybe group that is just friends, whatever I determine that to be.
  • John E. Bredehoft (Empoprises) · 9 months ago
    It's good that Linnet Woods mentions LinkedIn, because LinkedIn is the prime example of a place where you can use introductions to connect to people that you have never met in real life, and achieve real benefits (a position, a consulting gig, whatever) because of it. While Facebook's approach isn't necessarily wrong, one could claim that Facebook's approach "destroys the workings of the economy."

    And even if you're not trying to get a job, there's always the possibility of learning things. I can learn many things from my Facebook contacts. I can learn many more things from my FriendFeed contacts.
  • Robert Scoble · 9 months ago
    AC: a true friend is one who'll help me move or sit with me in the hospital while I'm sick. The rest of the definitions are unsatisfying.
  • Peter · 9 months ago
    Heh ;-), spot on.
  • guruvan · 9 months ago
    Simply put, you are correct. You have to destroy to create. This is one of the fundamental principles of creation.

    And I also have to agree with the word "friend" losing its meaning in the social networking world. Facebook telling me "You are now friends with Jennifer" when Jennifer is my Sister, is simply ridiculous. Likewise telling me that about people I barely know is ridiculous. I am now "connected with them" on Facebook.

    I've recently started using FriendFeed (at your video suggestion) and am amazed at how that has opened my ability to see what's going on around me -on all these social network sites.

    And why shouldn't you have as many "friends" as you want? For whatever reasons you want. It's not your job or ours to make Facebook's programming tasks easier by limiting our possibilities or opportunities.
  • maladoit · 9 months ago
    Gawd, you are such an asshole! I don't know who is worse, you or Arrington.

    No wait, Arrington is
  • richardwalker · 9 months ago
    Robert, this is the number one issue around "social media" ... and the crux of much of the confusion about social media sites IMO. From twitter's "asymmetric" follow to Facebook friends/fans to friendfeed's "subscribe."

    Given Facebook's rule of "no pseudonymity", people tend to infer that Facebook "friends" should be "friends In Real Life" - which I reject completely. I've "unfriended" family, co-workers and "in real life" friends for various reasons. I also have "Facebook friends" I haven't met (yet).

    I'll save the discussion of "what makes me unfriend you" for another time.
    Oh dear - I've really "overdone" the "quotations" :)
  • cthrall · 9 months ago
    Take a look at Lijit (http://www.lijit.com). They are doing some really interesting work with expertise and social graphs.
  • cthrall · 9 months ago
    Working url: http://www.lijit.com
  • Patrice Lamothe · 9 months ago
    Hi Robert,

    Thanks for this great post! If you agreed, I would say this is not only a great post but also one of the best introduction I have read to the company I am running.

    Pearltrees builds a collaborative map of the Web : each user creates, edit and organize the maps of its Web navigations. Users' account are the living maps and sub-maps of their favorite contents.

    As a consequence, Pearltrees enable the type of experience you described in your post… and even beyond.

    Users can put other user's maps in their own maps : the "Bordeaux rouge"s map of one user and the "californian champain"'s map of another user into their own "wine map". Other user’s can then take the later “wine map” into their “great meal” or their “grate life” own maps… By doing so, they not only separate information according to their context: they organize information and build its context.

    There is much more. As each user is drawing her own public map of the Web, she contributes to the very substance of Pearltrees : an humanly edited map of the Web –an interest graph, if you prefer- through which everyone can now browse freely.

    Would like an example? Just check my account at http://www.pearltrees.com/patrice . Or - much better- would you directly like to join pearltrees community ? please type http://www.pearltrees.com.

    Patrice Lamothe
    CEO of Pearltrees
  • Randy · 9 months ago
    I consider myself a common user of social networks...one that doesn't live in SF or NY or anywhere hip to have initials, for most of my "friends" it's family + friends in real life + one degree of separation...works great for me. Following 100 or 1000 ppl is impossible and for most of us we couldn't get 1000 followers if our life depended on it.
  • Paul Pidgeon · 9 months ago
    I should think, that one of the purposes of social networks is to meet and engage people in discussions who may share common interests who you may not have otherwise met do to geographical differences. Part of the problem in this discussion may be the need to redefine terms such as "friend" when discussing Facebook, Twitter, Friendfeed.... since they really twist the term in ways it was not meant to be used.
  • Louis Gray · 9 months ago
    Bring on change. Feedly, Socialmedian, FriendFeed, Twitter and Facebook are all changing the way we interact and find people. Don't let somebody else do the defining for you.
  • jarchowk · 9 months ago
    That's actually really funny. My wife was doing the exact same thing today, deleting contacts she didn't know well. I didn't pick up on the connection.
  • Mattb4rd · 9 months ago
    Friend: Someone of value to you that is ranked slightly higher than an acquaintance.

    Most internet "friends" aren't at all. They're acquaintances.
  • NowVoyager · 9 months ago
    I just love it when people start to equate the random ppl with whom they casually twitter or "follow," as "real friends". Although, I have developed great friendships over time online, I would have to say that the majority of them are better categorized as associates, than "real friends". Real friends are there for you through thick and thin...and thin doesn't scare them! Real friends have positive things to say to you when you most need it. And, they show up when you have triumphs as well. I value *all* of my associations but I am not at all unnerved that at any given time an online "friend" may "unfollow" you. That may have nothing to do with ME.
  • Beth Blecherman · 9 months ago
    But this post brings up the modern dilemna: "What is the definition of an online friend". We hold our real life friends to different demands. In Facebook, my friends can either be family members, friends or friends of friends. I message anyone I have no connection with that wants to friend me on Facebook to do it through Twitter (and I will follow them back). Twitter=public, Facebook is people I know or am connected with. We need to think of a better term in Facebook then "friend". But Facebook was started for College students. I think the social graph needs to be re-worked now that Facebook is being used by "everyone".

    How about "friends" and "online community friend". Online community friend means you connected with them online but may have never met them. Friends should really be people that you actually spend time with. But there is no way to break out friends in Facebook versus online friend (other then lists...)
  • Alex Schleber · 9 months ago
    Great points Robert, which in part also seem to mirror some of what Steve Gillmor is saying in his TC post today (in his usual wonkish way, though still pretty readable):

    "Whoever conquers Track will be like those who made music and pictures come out of thin air, coursing over invisible wires and virtual rabbit ears. The big networks emerged out of that soup, and to this day they remain powerful beacons. Now the social media clouds are forming, and they have no choice but to confront and conquer the microstream."

    techcrunchit.com/2009/03/22/please-stand-by/

    You've been working on conquering Track via Friendfeed as you describe. It's definitely one of the main if not THE problem of our time, since attention has already become the only truly scarce resource in this information economy. For the same reason of I've recently been experimenting with using Thunderbird to import my Twitter "with Friends" RSS stream and use simple (email client) message filters to accomplish similar things.

    On a much lighter note, whenever the topic turns to the "true" meaning of Facebook friends, it might help to remember the following (as per Dickipedia):

    "In 2004, Zuckerberg debuted a primitive online social networking site called Facebook, named for the annual publication that collegiate upper classmen use to identify attractive freshmen girls with low self-esteem. At the time, Zukerberg planned to offer the service only to students within the Ivy League, because, as is widely known, Ivy League students have long had problems finding ways to network with one another."

    Cheers!
  • Barney Moran · 9 months ago
    Lijit is doing some interesting things, but its also not disclosing ANY guidance moving forward on its ability to remain solvent. The Publishers Union of Bloggers advises ANY publisher installing or using Lijit have either a visible or invisible search alternative to back things up in case Lijit becomes insolvent and publishers search/content is offered to the highest bidder.

    Will keep all posted if the Union of individual P.U.B.'s learn more,

    Barney Moran
    P.U.B.
  • Ferodynamics · 9 months ago
    I believe you should focus on Twitter and your WP blog. With these others sites (FB and FF) you divert valuable time away from your true potential.

    Twitter = news. Blogs = content. Plug in Adsense and you're in business. Email to verify identity. That's all you need. Keep it simple.
  • Allison Reynolds · 9 months ago
    Erm OK so you can have an opinion but others can't.

    If there was any other point to this post I missed it in the blaring ego.
  • David K · 9 months ago
    In 2005 I started asking myself the same question: with social networks taking over, how should we redefine "friend"? Now it's 2009 and I have learned that the real definition of friend has never changed. All the "friends" I have made through social networking have not enriched my life nearly as much as people who are obviously true friends. Some friendships have been sparked by social networks, but the friendship did not blossom until it was taken offline and brought to a face-to-face level of interaction. I'm sorry but purely social networking "friends" are only acquaintances.
  • Harrison Powers · 9 months ago
    Some fantastic points here Robert. Great post! I really like how you described the new concept of an acquaintance on the internet. Someone who is neither a personal fried nor someone you actually know in real life, but someone whose opinion you value.
  • Zennie · 9 months ago
    Hey Robert.

    I agree with you, also I like beng connected with people who are really all over the World. Maybe I have not met them but Facebook opens the chance to have that happen. It's great for business.
  • Joel de Bruijn · 9 months ago
    When you say "multiple social graphs for different things", could that be a "dynamic social graph" which changes according to the "object-of-sociality"?

    Like a system that gives me recommendations (about wine, books, concerts, movies, holidays, art etc.) depending on the different social graphs for each object?

    If such a social graph could be a truly distributed one, each social network would have to worry about its own users. But a larger social graph could be aggregated from each network. Something for DISO?
  • Dori Smith · 9 months ago
    --snort--

    Me, know anything about wine? I know what's local to me, but that's about it.

    I do know a little about baby strollers, but much of that is probably out-of-date at this point. Lately, all I've seen are what I call "urban assault strollers."

    And personally, I've pretty much junked all the online uses of "friend" and started using "colleague." I've found that term to be much more applicable to my online relationships.
  • ursulas · 9 months ago
    I just remembered that I got started on Feedly because of a Robert Scoble 'tweet'! :-)
  • ilter · 9 months ago
    Nice post, Robert.
    I only know you via Internet.
    I'd met my wife in internet too.
    So, beware.

    Regular people don't care about social networking. They care if their real life friends are in somewhere having fun or not. I was jealous when I'd found out that many of my friends back in Turkey had already been registered in facebook. It was a great find.
    Why jealous? Er, I've been using internet since 1997, and while living abroad, not knowing anything better than ICQ. hehe. I'd discovered web forums related to my profession earlier, but didn't know about social networking until 2006.
    I remember myself being registered in a lot of places, and I thought "Oh, what's the buzz about this". I thought twitter was facebook.

    Facebook was and is great for me, because I wanted to 'meet' my real life friends and follow them.
    Lately enjoying twitter, because it makes me feel like I'm part of the internet which was not 'accessible' before.
    All this made me feel like blogging.

    See? For a 'regular user' like me, things can get pretty much upside down.

    It should make sense. Not everyone lives in internet. It should be just a part of my real life, improving it.
  • Kathi · 9 months ago
    Mr. Scoble. Re: the use of the word "hint" that is pervasive in your writing.

    I don't believe that word means what you think it means. That just based on how you are using it.
  • Marc · 9 months ago
    "AC: a true friend is one who’ll help me move or sit with me in the hospital while I’m sick. The rest of the definitions are unsatisfying."

    Well, that's a switch...you actually focus on how a friendship benefits you.

    Wait!...sorry! I got confused. That actually *is* consistent with how you view the world.
  • Dave · 9 months ago
    I've recently done a mass pruning of my fb friends. I went from over 400 to under 300. Using a simple set of rules, I figured out who deserved to stay on my fb friend list and who doesn't. You are cut from my list if 1) I have had contact with you less than 10 times or 2) I do not know you personally and haven't contacted you in the last 2 years. Of course I make special exceptions of certain people (parent of friends, professional connections, etc)