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Re: No Java, no Flash, no .NET/Silverlight for iPhone?

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Re: No Java, no Flash, no .NET/Silverlight for iPhone?

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Re: No Java, no Flash, no .NET/Silverlight for iPhone?

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Re: No Java, no Flash, no .NET/Silverlight for iPhone?

David — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:34:37 -0000

iPhone still needs to add more features for people who want to use it for work such as copy/paste! Such a simple feature but yet not available.

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Re: No Java, no Flash, no .NET/Silverlight for iPhone?

Boycott Apple — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:21:31 -0000

"Isn’t the iPhone supposed to change the closed end cellular phone business model..."

Matt, Are you kidding me? Don't you know who Steve Jobs is? The guy is a metaphor of greed and total lack of consideration for others. His only interest is to keep making more money and enjoying the applauses of the lobotomized devotees, for whom he has no respect, that gather at his keynotes!

His only ambition in life is to get consumers locked-in to spend more money for Apple products.

It is a sad thing for man kind and progress to have to suffer the ego of some very influential misguided leaders.

Re: No Java, no Flash, no .NET/Silverlight for iPhone?

Matt — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:20:11 -0000

As a developer of Java applications for Blackberry I think Apple and the iPhone are missing a huge opportunity for innovative 3rd party applications for their customers.
A closed system might be more secure but it will also limit customer options? Isn’t the iPhone supposed to change the closed end cellular phone business model that limits innovation and choices for customers? I hope the upcoming iPhone SDK mirror some of the great benefits offered by languages like Java.

Re: No Java, no Flash, no .NET/Silverlight for iPhone?

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Re: No Java, no Flash, no .NET/Silverlight for iPhone?

Bahi — Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:05:56 -0000

"Google Maps for iphone was developed by Google, not by Apple," says ComicStipBlogger. Not true, according to Jobs interviews. Apple developed it using the regular Google API to send and retrieve Google maps data and showed it to the Google folks afterwards.

Re: No Java, no Flash, no .NET/Silverlight for iPhone?

mike — Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:18:29 -0000

iphone must have 3G and GPS first of all - the running of 3rd party applications is not SO important - after all Apple probably HAS some internal SDK - because for example Google Maps for iphone was developed by Google, not by Apple… but they will give this secret SDK only to chosen companies…
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Duh. Google is a company of websites. That's just an online app customized for iPhone: exactly what Apple has told devs to make.

You get a bookmark and put it on the iPhone homescreen.

*waves banner

Mission Accomplished.

Next?

Re: No Java, no Flash, no .NET/Silverlight for iPhone?

Some Guy — Thu, 14 Jun 2007 02:15:49 -0000

"everything to do with keeping the iPhone proprietary"

Didn't you get the memo? Java is the property of Sun Microsystems, and has never been submitted to any independent standards body.

Re: No Java, no Flash, no .NET/Silverlight for iPhone?

Neil Anderson — Thu, 14 Jun 2007 02:03:58 -0000

This is just the beginning. The best is yet to come.

Re: No Java, no Flash, no .NET/Silverlight for iPhone?

David Bennett — Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:01:44 -0000

Job’s stance against Java has nothing to do its popularity or size and everything to do with keeping the iPhone proprietary. If Apple were to support Java, they would have to support open standards which would mean that applications would be portable to other mobile devices. This is the same proprietary, closed system strategy that Microsoft has been using to maintain their strangle hold on various markets. Of course, the Mac groupies will buy anything Apple creates. I am hoping the developer community just says no to the iPhone.

Re: No Java, no Flash, no .NET/Silverlight for iPhone?

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Re: No Java, no Flash, no .NET/Silverlight for iPhone?

Comic Strip Blogger — Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:32:34 -0000

iphone must have 3G and GPS first of all - the running of 3rd party applications is not SO important - after all Apple probably HAS some internal SDK - because for example Google Maps for iphone was developed by Google, not by Apple... but they will give this secret SDK only to chosen companies...

Re: No Java, no Flash, no .NET/Silverlight for iPhone?

Michael — Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:54:23 -0000

I hope this isn't true; I'm looking forward to the iPhone (who isn't?) with Flash / Silverlight. I hope it's okay -- I've added this article to the Silverlight forum I'm building, credited to you: silverlightsaber.com

Re: No Java, no Flash, no .NET/Silverlight for iPhone?

James — Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:36:04 -0000

Although I shouldn't be making such a bold statement about an Apple product, iPhone looks like it's going to be a flop! :)

Re: No Java, no Flash, no .NET/Silverlight for iPhone?

Chris — Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:14:57 -0000

A man just walked into our office. He didn't knock or anything. He gave each of us a business card with a smiley face that said something to the effect of "Help me financially, I'm deaf and the govt won't help". I stared blankly and gave him the card back. Mostly because I didn't have any $5's on me, and he left. The others did too. I wanted to Google some resources for him, but I was almost stuck like a dear in headlights. Our building is open to the public. This just happened, so I'm still thinking about it. The guy walked right into my office. Now I feel bad.

So all this to say it doesn't matter what we think or feel about the iPhone's display capabilities, because we are not steering the ship. That would be Steve Jobs and Scoble can't get his prime time it would seem for an interview. The last time Scoble ran into Jobs with Dave Winer Jobs chastised him for stealing Apple stuff and putting it into IE.

All this to say that Scoble should repair his booboos with Apple and get an interview with Jobs and ask him himself.

Re: No Java, no Flash, no .NET/Silverlight for iPhone?

Some Guy — Wed, 13 Jun 2007 06:37:53 -0000

Java, Silverlight, and Flash bring nothing to the party, so the iPhone isn't going to waste the storage for them.

Here's what it boils down to: no cruft, no crap.

Re: No Java, no Flash, no .NET/Silverlight for iPhone?

Robert Scoble — Wed, 13 Jun 2007 02:37:54 -0000

Anon: it'll have an Apple logo on it, so it's far from doomed.

But, I sure wish it had Java and Flash.

Re: No Java, no Flash, no .NET/Silverlight for iPhone?

anon — Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:44:12 -0000

Oh my gawd. No proprietary Microsoft .Net or silverlight on iPhone means it's DOOMED I tell you. DOOMED.

You need to get some new material, Bob. You couldn't PAY me to install that Microsoft proprietary garbage - maybe that's why Bill & Co have to violate the law in order to enter a market.

Re: No Java, no Flash, no .NET/Silverlight for iPhone?

John C. Welch — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 18:36:32 -0000

Mike and everyone else: except OSX on iPhone isn’t really a “full OS” because unlike OSX on Macintosh we aren’t sure you can install ANYTHING. It sure would be nice for someone with an iPhone to tell us what we can install on it.

Robert, stop trying to get technical, because honestly, you don't know what an OS is. The version of OS X on the iPHone does not have everything that OS X on your MacBook, because if nothing else, you'd need it to have an iPod and a 12" screen. Most of the userland is not there. Is it a "full" OS? yes. Is it the same byte-for-byte OS as on your MacBook? No. But it is still as much a "full" OS as the OS on your Nokia, on my WM phones, on a treo, or a Razr.

Re: No Java, no Flash, no .NET/Silverlight for iPhone?

skc — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 18:18:37 -0000

Maybe Jobs needs to stop lying to the public. You can't on the one hand say the phone runs OSX and Safari but leave out the fact that you're actually gimping them.

AJAX as an SDK for a phone. Wow. Laughable.

Re: No Java, no Flash, no .NET/Silverlight for iPhone?

John C. Welch — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:58:09 -0000

Welch, this has nothing to do with your hatred of Microsoft. You will avoid visiting any Silverlight pages because of said hatred, but that doesn’t mean that it wouldn’t be nice for iPhone to support such pages; Microsoft lined up some major partners with major sites, such as MLB, and it would be nice for those site’s advanced features to be supported on iPhone, particuarly since Silverlight targets the Mac and Safari already.

Nonsense. Currently I avoid them because Silverlight 1.1 crashes both Safari and Firefox. When I get an update that doesn't do this, I'll take a look. My reasons for not taking Silverlight seriously is based on Microsoft's well - documented and rich history of starting, then quickly abandoning various cross-platform efforts. Microsoft has a trust issue in this area, and they have yet to seriously attempt to answer it beyond "No really guys, this time it's different." Well, they said that all the other times too. Why is this time different?

What's Microsoft's answer for Nokia Phones? For Treos running Palm? JavaOS Phones?

You're also conveniently avoiding the problem of high-memory use plugins on a memory limited device like a phone, like...um...flash and Silverlight. The Mac plugin needs almost 30MB to just sit on my hard drive. How well is that going to work on devices like my WM 2003 device that ship with only 128MB of RAM, (Or less) for storage AND program execution?

That's a problem for everyone wanting to reach smartphone-style devices, not just the iPhone, and your insistence that this is only a problem for Apple is far more delusional than anything you accuse ME of.

Re: No Java, no Flash, no .NET/Silverlight for iPhone?

anothergene — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:45:04 -0000

Jave, Flash and .Net? The iPhone is not meant to be a like all those other crappy phones. Why should it run all the crappy slow software that is the bloat-ware of the internet. Not saying that won't be it's downfall, but still at least try and do things right.