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Re: NewTeeVee Conference lacking substance?

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Re: NewTeeVee Conference lacking substance?

Dan Rayburn — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:03:51 -0000

I agree with what a lot of Scoble says in terms of how any conference should be planned and don't think many of the new shows will make it in the long run. Some can, if they are focused, but many of won't.

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Re: NewTeeVee Conference lacking substance?

Phil Wolff — Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:29:56 -0000

The thing I find fascinating about Joost, once you get past all the licensing deals, drm, p2p and whatnot, is the community part. Ask them about how they are using television shows and channels to create opportunities for people to chat with each other while watching the same program. In other words, Joost is a context engine for live conversation. As Joost scales up, you'll find fellow Joosters to share the experience (think movie theaters or watching the ball game with friends at home) whether it's the first episode of Lassie or the last episode of V The Invasion.

Re: NewTeeVee Conference lacking substance?

Christopher Coulter — Sun, 14 Oct 2007 23:31:36 -0000

...err Henry da VIII.

Re: NewTeeVee Conference lacking substance?

Christopher Coulter — Sun, 14 Oct 2007 23:28:42 -0000

Nothing 'new' about "NewTeeVee", just some of the tools, have become commoditized, and people are simply turning on cameras, thinking it's automatically a show. But don't let that fool you, good TV is all (and always has been) about the writing, "new", old, future or ancient.

That conference is just a buncha blowhard hot-air, sight, sound and fury, accomplishing nothing.

And Joost is a simple distributional method, nothing "new" in terms of content or even distribution there.

New TV to me is the Fall Schedule, Pushing Daisies, Bionic (oddly) I like, but not sure they will survive. Glad to see ole Dexter back, and Califorincation seems all too me-me self-indulgent, but somehow I like it still. Betty back, Rescue Me, Eureka and Kyle get new life, Lost and Jericho coming back. Earl, Office and all the rest chugging along. Dullsville dead-pools: Life Is Wild, Moonlight, Nashville, Private Practice, Dirty Sexy Money, Big Shots, Cane, Carpoolers, Cavemen, Chuck. Journeyman, with ole Lucius Vorenus, a minor-hit. I still miss John from Cincinnati, pout, pout. Henry the VII, seeeeecoooond seasssson yay. Welcome relief after that movie disaster of 'Elizabeth: The Golden Age.' Gawd, Hollywood sucks, the real good writing is all TV nowadays; that's what happens when you make the writer the focus.

Re: NewTeeVee Conference lacking substance?

Jaime — Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:33:39 -0000

It is not a surprise to see the lineup at the NewTeeVee Live event. I stopped reading them a few weeks ago because I realized that there is much better content about internet TV out there with consistent and accurate coverage. The NTV NY event was a bust and the NTV writer in charge of putting together most of the panels for the Live event is notorious for misquotes and only talking about her friends. Thanks for bringing it all together in one great list! It could have been so much better.

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chrisbrogan — Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:05:28 -0000

Wow. I promise my next video event will take all this into consideration. Next one, really. Hey look! A Kyte.tv!

Re: NewTeeVee Conference lacking substance?

Eric Rice — Sun, 14 Oct 2007 19:24:53 -0000

(someone will inevitably miss the point of my last comment btw. Think.)

Re: NewTeeVee Conference lacking substance?

Eric Rice — Sun, 14 Oct 2007 19:24:24 -0000

Heh, you guys crack me up.
Anyway, back to Halo on the home theater.

(Disclosure: I own 5 TVs. Also, I _am_ Web 2.0)

Re: NewTeeVee Conference lacking substance?

Phil Wolff — Sun, 14 Oct 2007 15:27:24 -0000

Multiple tracks solve time constraints. More important, they offer attendees a chance to vote with their feet, something the conference organizers learn from.

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Totoro — Sun, 14 Oct 2007 14:35:34 -0000

Wow, great list, Robert. Those will be the talking points AT this conference for the next one, for sure.

Re: NewTeeVee Conference lacking substance?

jeckman — Sun, 14 Oct 2007 13:40:36 -0000

What else is missing? Miro (http://www.getmiro.com), Make Internet TV (http://www.makeinternettv.com).

Another conference worth seeing: http://www.convergencecultu...

Re: NewTeeVee Conference lacking substance?

steve clayton — Sun, 14 Oct 2007 12:45:41 -0000

Sat here watching beautifully streamed BBC News 24 from Livestation (Skinkers) which used Silverlight. Surprised they're not included

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Matt_ — Sun, 14 Oct 2007 12:19:51 -0000

The OnHollyWood conferences get it right they have all their keynotes and sessions broadcast Live and open chat rooms right in the front page for everyone to participate in .They also archive the Keynotes .

I hope Liz and Om have this planned and if not Why ????

Re: NewTeeVee Conference lacking substance?

Robert Scoble — Sun, 14 Oct 2007 12:06:07 -0000

Sebastian: the problem is that I know a few things you don't. I don't like Justin.tv either. But don't ignore Kyte and don't write it off just cause it's early in the process. I guarantee you that by the end of the year there will be some big names on Kyte (the CEO gave me a preview).

Joost is one-way media. Two-way media will prove much more viral in the end. But you're right. That's a bet I'm making and it might prove out to be wrong. I don't think so, though.

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Sebastian — Sun, 14 Oct 2007 12:02:23 -0000

I agree with most of what you say in this post, but Justin.tv and Kyte having more traffic than Joost in a year's time? I'm sorry, but that's completely unrealistic.

For user generated content, and lets not forget that the great minority of people create content on video networks, people can go to YouTube. There you have a bigger audience. No live-streaming, ok. But that doesn't matter. Nobody (= not more than 0,5% of the population) wants to see a person's whole life. People want to see funny or interesting snippets, and they are on YouTube.

Joost offers premium content. Sure, they haven't yet proven anything, beside content deals with a lot of major companies, advertising deals with a lot of companies and a beta-tester group of more than a million people.
What have Justin.tv and Kyte proven? They have no great content (ok, they have Justin and iJustine), no major advertising deals (eg made no ground in monetizing) and have considerably smaller tester teams.

Yes, there is a risk in Joost. But they have come way further than Kyte and Justin together.

Re: NewTeeVee Conference lacking substance?

Cynthia Brumfield — Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:53:08 -0000

Robert,

Wow, you don't pull any punches.

I think you forgot another issue: NewTeeVee live looks like a half-dozen events that are out there already, including my own. I think we should all dig deeper to come up with more innovative conferences on the topic of web-based video. See my post http://www.ipdemocracy.com/....

Cynthia Brumfield

Re: NewTeeVee Conference lacking substance?

Dan — Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:47:55 -0000

I disagree. I think their conference panel is nicely stacked, particularly for a relatively new event. I think it's too early to say that Joost isn't a success, and way too early to say some of these start ups are defining any part of the category. Beyond the handful "web 2.0" blogs, nobody knows who they are, and I think most people take the perspective from some of these with a very fine grain of salt to begin with. I think having a show with young, new and still unproven start ups (including many on your list) would be a mistake.

I think NewTeeVee is smart to look to the larger audience, though I agree with Apple being on the list.

Re: NewTeeVee Conference lacking substance?

Tim Connors — Sun, 14 Oct 2007 08:23:41 -0000

does it strike anyone else as odd that a conference about online video is being done offline?
Robert: let's do an online conference together instead

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nchenga — Sun, 14 Oct 2007 04:37:15 -0000

What about Zattoo?

http://www.zattoo.com

They've managed to sign up a lot of European TV stations.

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Photar — Sun, 14 Oct 2007 01:42:58 -0000

You pretty much have to conferences now.

Re: NewTeeVee Conference lacking substance?

Jan Kabili — Sat, 13 Oct 2007 23:50:01 -0000

Robert:

Great ideas. So here's another idea -- why don't we do our own conference with all of this rolled in. If you're game, get in touch.

Jan

Re: NewTeeVee Conference lacking substance?

shannonclark — Sat, 13 Oct 2007 22:05:42 -0000

Robert great list one big category to add the content delivery networks which are helping power many sites with much more to come. Also hd radio and hdtv plus perhaps the blurring of tv vs games with devices like xbox360 etc

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Erik — Sat, 13 Oct 2007 22:05:33 -0000

Hmm, sounds like there are similar problems for many conferences these days, including the recently cancelled Etel show.

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francine hardaway — Sat, 13 Oct 2007 19:04:15 -0000

I am right in the middle of producing a conference and realizing how fast the time fills up and how panels don't let anyone speak enough to be meaningful. The alternative is Gnomedex, and the single track in which you can't cover a large topic.

I have a great idea: next year you and I put on the conference you think should happen. I will help. I think it's time you did one rather than just commented on one, and you see so much stuff that it's bound to be good. I will provide the adult supervision :-)