#2) I like Fox's video player much more than I like ABC's. I don't like that Fox keeps canceling shows after 1 episode and they don't make the remaining episodes available online.
#3) You just wrote, like, an encyclopedia of online TV stuff. You're such a wonderful resource.
Steve Spalding
· 2 years ago
Well written Robert, all of these would be great additions to the program.
angela penny
· 2 years ago
it's so interesting that TC wrote about Joost on the same day, maybe they had the same reaction you did.
dc crowley
· 2 years ago
38 nails in the coffin of his conference - WOW! hehe! nice one Robert. Right on the mark!
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
dc: thanks. I just added #39.
Prokofy
· 2 years ago
Interesting. But...you just made their conference better by giving them 38 things to rant about.
I used to think nobody would sit in a laggy game world and watch TV, they'd tab out of their game and watch YouTube or they'd swivel around and watch their TV when something was loading on their Internet, but not watch a tiny screen within a screen.
But...that was until I had gadzillion customers in SL ask me to deed their TVs and insist on TV in their rentals, and I realized I had to adapt. They actually LOVE watching tv and movies (but not machinima except for intellectuals). Because they can watch with their buddies from around the world, it's Mystery Theater. Because they can make an event out of it and discuss it. Or just use the porn for foreplay, after all, as good as they are, SL avatar animations for cybering probably aren't as good as video porn. Whatever, they watch TV, before, during, after, despite the laggyness, visual problems, the fact that each person on the parcel has to tune in and watch separately out of sync (but close enough to still all perceive it).
Panels are awful, you're right, because nobody gets to talk enough in the audience -- or the panel. If a speaker is really good, you want a 30-45 minute keynoter or lecture out of them anyway. Having 4 people all answer the same question from the moderator is deadly. I was just at VW07 where they had Susan Wu peppering all the pet game execs with questions, and while it was a change from other panels where the moderator was a potted palm, it only makes the audience champ at the bit.
Look, with all this emerging technology whatnot, we need to change these memes of panels, left over from 1950s television shows like "What's My Line?" ("Blindfolds in place, panel?).
We need to have circles of people able to talk all at once or something. Live-action Twittering.
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
Prokofy: if the conference gets better that's fine with me cause I'm probably going to go anyway cause it's my job to keep up on this wacky industry.
To me, the most exciting thing about online video is how anyone with a good idea can find an audience and be successful *without* the old gatekeepers. It's a magnificent disruption.
What does the NewTeeVee conference seemed focus on? The old gatekeepers.
No thanks.
Chuck Olsen
· 2 years ago
(But I applaud the inclusion of Kent Nichols, and discounts for independent content creators.)
david lee king
· 2 years ago
So Robert - when are YOU going to plan the AMAZING COOL event you just described? People would come! And since you are Scoble, you could probably GET those companies and individuals you just mentioned to show up, as well.
Just sayin!
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
Chuck: my favorite thing about new TV is that it's two-way. See Kyte.tv. Did you know you can post video to my channel there?
David: thanks for the compliment, but I don't want to do a conference right now. Heck, doing my show is a lot more fun right now.
1timstreet
· 2 years ago
You know Robert... Maybe it's time for you to put on your own web video conference?
Joel
· 2 years ago
Scoble, in reading your blog it seems whenever someone criticizes your work you come back with the defensive "what have you done....?". Well,since you seem to be criticizing the organizers of this conference one might ask, what media related conferences have you done to make you such an expert?
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
Joel: I helped produce the CNET Builder.com Live conference in 1999 and 2000 (that's the conference that got me into blogging). Also helped plan several VBITS and Visual Studio conferences (2,000 attendee affairs about Visual Basic). If you had listened to the interview with Eric Norlin, who hosts several large conferences, you would have heard us talking about that experience and how it shaped my video show today.
Liz Gannes
· 2 years ago
Hi Robert,
With a one-day conference we can't fit everything in, but we're doing our best to involve a wide range of companies and people who have interesting things to say and show off (including quite a few of the people on your list, actually!). You should come check it out and see what you think.
It's not video, but the conversation is what counts and live interactive archival audio gets us there.
Alan Levy Founder BlogTalkRadio
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
Liz: I'll be at the conference. That's actually the reason why I wrote this post. I want to make sure it's worth my time investment.
Om and I had a nice chat this morning. Hope to have some more to say on that soon. Keep it up, keep the faith!
Michael Markman
· 2 years ago
Great list, Robert. Double edge sword, there: You've just made Om's conference a lot more interesting and a lot less necessary. And, yes, panels are pain points. Trying hard to remember a good one. Glad for your Tweet updating the chat you and Om had.
BTW you're undercounting Apple's new teevee contributions. There's lots more than Final Cut: For simple user-participaton check this out: a couple of teenagers in the UK stroll into the Apple Store, take on two adjacent MacBooks and discover they can simultaneously recording to each other's YouTube channels--an instant two-camera shoot for free.: http://urltea.com/1qt0 and http://urltea.com/1qt1 .
How? iMovie lets you capture video directly from a built-in iSight Camera and provides a direct upload to YouTube.Can't get easier than that.
At the high end end, there's a ton of free video podcasts through iTunes to iPods and iPhone.(and Apple TV)
As for commercial distribution--well... that's a work in progress and a major competitive battle--but iTunes is definitely in the game.
Joel
· 2 years ago
@16 -That's cool. But None of those are videoconferences
Rui Carmo
· 2 years ago
Two things I'd at least try to explore regarding TV:
- Cross-country boundaries. There are a lot more people tuned to specific culture niches, and how to best get at those niches (territories, the current model for distribution rights, etc.). And no, don't take for granted that the Internet will go everywhere.
- Mobile. Not necessarily mobile TV, but ways to extend the viewing experience to leverage the (purported) bazillions of people out there with mobile phones. And the experience is a lot more than viewing - it's participating, commenting, etc.
francine hardaway
· 2 years ago
I am right in the middle of producing a conference and realizing how fast the time fills up and how panels don't let anyone speak enough to be meaningful. The alternative is Gnomedex, and the single track in which you can't cover a large topic.
I have a great idea: next year you and I put on the conference you think should happen. I will help. I think it's time you did one rather than just commented on one, and you see so much stuff that it's bound to be good. I will provide the adult supervision :-)
Erik
· 2 years ago
Hmm, sounds like there are similar problems for many conferences these days, including the recently cancelled Etel show.
shannonclark
· 2 years ago
Robert great list one big category to add the content delivery networks which are helping power many sites with much more to come. Also hd radio and hdtv plus perhaps the blurring of tv vs games with devices like xbox360 etc
Jan Kabili
· 2 years ago
Robert:
Great ideas. So here's another idea -- why don't we do our own conference with all of this rolled in. If you're game, get in touch.
They've managed to sign up a lot of European TV stations.
Tim Connors
· 2 years ago
does it strike anyone else as odd that a conference about online video is being done offline? Robert: let's do an online conference together instead
Dan
· 2 years ago
I disagree. I think their conference panel is nicely stacked, particularly for a relatively new event. I think it's too early to say that Joost isn't a success, and way too early to say some of these start ups are defining any part of the category. Beyond the handful "web 2.0" blogs, nobody knows who they are, and I think most people take the perspective from some of these with a very fine grain of salt to begin with. I think having a show with young, new and still unproven start ups (including many on your list) would be a mistake.
I think NewTeeVee is smart to look to the larger audience, though I agree with Apple being on the list.
Cynthia Brumfield
· 2 years ago
Robert,
Wow, you don't pull any punches.
I think you forgot another issue: NewTeeVee live looks like a half-dozen events that are out there already, including my own. I think we should all dig deeper to come up with more innovative conferences on the topic of web-based video. See my post http://www.ipdemocracy.com/archives/002702thank....
Cynthia Brumfield
Sebastian
· 2 years ago
I agree with most of what you say in this post, but Justin.tv and Kyte having more traffic than Joost in a year's time? I'm sorry, but that's completely unrealistic.
For user generated content, and lets not forget that the great minority of people create content on video networks, people can go to YouTube. There you have a bigger audience. No live-streaming, ok. But that doesn't matter. Nobody (= not more than 0,5% of the population) wants to see a person's whole life. People want to see funny or interesting snippets, and they are on YouTube.
Joost offers premium content. Sure, they haven't yet proven anything, beside content deals with a lot of major companies, advertising deals with a lot of companies and a beta-tester group of more than a million people. What have Justin.tv and Kyte proven? They have no great content (ok, they have Justin and iJustine), no major advertising deals (eg made no ground in monetizing) and have considerably smaller tester teams.
Yes, there is a risk in Joost. But they have come way further than Kyte and Justin together.
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
Sebastian: the problem is that I know a few things you don't. I don't like Justin.tv either. But don't ignore Kyte and don't write it off just cause it's early in the process. I guarantee you that by the end of the year there will be some big names on Kyte (the CEO gave me a preview).
Joost is one-way media. Two-way media will prove much more viral in the end. But you're right. That's a bet I'm making and it might prove out to be wrong. I don't think so, though.
Matt_
· 2 years ago
The OnHollyWood conferences get it right they have all their keynotes and sessions broadcast Live and open chat rooms right in the front page for everyone to participate in .They also archive the Keynotes .
I hope Liz and Om have this planned and if not Why ????
steve clayton
· 2 years ago
Sat here watching beautifully streamed BBC News 24 from Livestation (Skinkers) which used Silverlight. Surprised they're not included
Wow, great list, Robert. Those will be the talking points AT this conference for the next one, for sure.
Phil Wolff
· 2 years ago
Multiple tracks solve time constraints. More important, they offer attendees a chance to vote with their feet, something the conference organizers learn from.
Eric Rice
· 2 years ago
Heh, you guys crack me up. Anyway, back to Halo on the home theater.
(Disclosure: I own 5 TVs. Also, I _am_ Web 2.0)
Eric Rice
· 2 years ago
(someone will inevitably miss the point of my last comment btw. Think.)
chrisbrogan
· 2 years ago
Wow. I promise my next video event will take all this into consideration. Next one, really. Hey look! A Kyte.tv!
Jaime
· 2 years ago
It is not a surprise to see the lineup at the NewTeeVee Live event. I stopped reading them a few weeks ago because I realized that there is much better content about internet TV out there with consistent and accurate coverage. The NTV NY event was a bust and the NTV writer in charge of putting together most of the panels for the Live event is notorious for misquotes and only talking about her friends. Thanks for bringing it all together in one great list! It could have been so much better.
Christopher Coulter
· 2 years ago
Nothing 'new' about "NewTeeVee", just some of the tools, have become commoditized, and people are simply turning on cameras, thinking it's automatically a show. But don't let that fool you, good TV is all (and always has been) about the writing, "new", old, future or ancient.
That conference is just a buncha blowhard hot-air, sight, sound and fury, accomplishing nothing.
And Joost is a simple distributional method, nothing "new" in terms of content or even distribution there.
New TV to me is the Fall Schedule, Pushing Daisies, Bionic (oddly) I like, but not sure they will survive. Glad to see ole Dexter back, and Califorincation seems all too me-me self-indulgent, but somehow I like it still. Betty back, Rescue Me, Eureka and Kyle get new life, Lost and Jericho coming back. Earl, Office and all the rest chugging along. Dullsville dead-pools: Life Is Wild, Moonlight, Nashville, Private Practice, Dirty Sexy Money, Big Shots, Cane, Carpoolers, Cavemen, Chuck. Journeyman, with ole Lucius Vorenus, a minor-hit. I still miss John from Cincinnati, pout, pout. Henry the VII, seeeeecoooond seasssson yay. Welcome relief after that movie disaster of 'Elizabeth: The Golden Age.' Gawd, Hollywood sucks, the real good writing is all TV nowadays; that's what happens when you make the writer the focus.
Christopher Coulter
· 2 years ago
...err Henry da VIII.
Phil Wolff
· 2 years ago
The thing I find fascinating about Joost, once you get past all the licensing deals, drm, p2p and whatnot, is the community part. Ask them about how they are using television shows and channels to create opportunities for people to chat with each other while watching the same program. In other words, Joost is a context engine for live conversation. As Joost scales up, you'll find fellow Joosters to share the experience (think movie theaters or watching the ball game with friends at home) whether it's the first episode of Lassie or the last episode of V The Invasion.
Dan Rayburn
· 2 years ago
I agree with what a lot of Scoble says in terms of how any conference should be planned and don't think many of the new shows will make it in the long run. Some can, if they are focused, but many of won't.
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#1) I'm glad I'm not them.
#2) I like Fox's video player much more than I like ABC's. I don't like that Fox keeps canceling shows after 1 episode and they don't make the remaining episodes available online.
#3) You just wrote, like, an encyclopedia of online TV stuff. You're such a wonderful resource.
I used to think nobody would sit in a laggy game world and watch TV, they'd tab out of their game and watch YouTube or they'd swivel around and watch their TV when something was loading on their Internet, but not watch a tiny screen within a screen.
But...that was until I had gadzillion customers in SL ask me to deed their TVs and insist on TV in their rentals, and I realized I had to adapt. They actually LOVE watching tv and movies (but not machinima except for intellectuals). Because they can watch with their buddies from around the world, it's Mystery Theater. Because they can make an event out of it and discuss it. Or just use the porn for foreplay, after all, as good as they are, SL avatar animations for cybering probably aren't as good as video porn. Whatever, they watch TV, before, during, after, despite the laggyness, visual problems, the fact that each person on the parcel has to tune in and watch separately out of sync (but close enough to still all perceive it).
Panels are awful, you're right, because nobody gets to talk enough in the audience -- or the panel. If a speaker is really good, you want a 30-45 minute keynoter or lecture out of them anyway. Having 4 people all answer the same question from the moderator is deadly. I was just at VW07 where they had Susan Wu peppering all the pet game execs with questions, and while it was a change from other panels where the moderator was a potted palm, it only makes the audience champ at the bit.
Look, with all this emerging technology whatnot, we need to change these memes of panels, left over from 1950s television shows like "What's My Line?" ("Blindfolds in place, panel?).
We need to have circles of people able to talk all at once or something. Live-action Twittering.
http://www.podcampboston.org/
http://www.von.com/2007/boston/web/index.htm
Yea and we'll be streaming....
What does the NewTeeVee conference seemed focus on? The old gatekeepers.
No thanks.
Just sayin!
David: thanks for the compliment, but I don't want to do a conference right now. Heck, doing my show is a lot more fun right now.
With a one-day conference we can't fit everything in, but we're doing our best to involve a wide range of companies and people who have interesting things to say and show off (including quite a few of the people on your list, actually!). You should come check it out and see what you think.
Liz Gannes
Editor, NewTeeVee
Thanks for the mention. We just attended the Jarvis Network Journalism conference in NYC and live streamed interviews all day.
It's not video, but the conversation is what counts and live interactive archival audio gets us there.
Alan Levy
Founder
BlogTalkRadio
Om and I had a nice chat this morning. Hope to have some more to say on that soon. Keep it up, keep the faith!
BTW you're undercounting Apple's new teevee contributions. There's lots more than Final Cut: For simple user-participaton check this out: a couple of teenagers in the UK stroll into the Apple Store, take on two adjacent MacBooks and discover they can simultaneously recording to each other's YouTube channels--an instant two-camera shoot for free.: http://urltea.com/1qt0 and http://urltea.com/1qt1 .
How? iMovie lets you capture video directly from a built-in iSight Camera and provides a direct upload to YouTube.Can't get easier than that.
At the high end end, there's a ton of free video podcasts through iTunes to iPods and iPhone.(and Apple TV)
As for commercial distribution--well... that's a work in progress and a major competitive battle--but iTunes is definitely in the game.
- Cross-country boundaries. There are a lot more people tuned to specific culture niches, and how to best get at those niches (territories, the current model for distribution rights, etc.). And no, don't take for granted that the Internet will go everywhere.
- Mobile. Not necessarily mobile TV, but ways to extend the viewing experience to leverage the (purported) bazillions of people out there with mobile phones. And the experience is a lot more than viewing - it's participating, commenting, etc.
I have a great idea: next year you and I put on the conference you think should happen. I will help. I think it's time you did one rather than just commented on one, and you see so much stuff that it's bound to be good. I will provide the adult supervision :-)
Great ideas. So here's another idea -- why don't we do our own conference with all of this rolled in. If you're game, get in touch.
Jan
http://www.zattoo.com
They've managed to sign up a lot of European TV stations.
Robert: let's do an online conference together instead
I think NewTeeVee is smart to look to the larger audience, though I agree with Apple being on the list.
Wow, you don't pull any punches.
I think you forgot another issue: NewTeeVee live looks like a half-dozen events that are out there already, including my own. I think we should all dig deeper to come up with more innovative conferences on the topic of web-based video. See my post http://www.ipdemocracy.com/archives/002702thank....
Cynthia Brumfield
For user generated content, and lets not forget that the great minority of people create content on video networks, people can go to YouTube. There you have a bigger audience. No live-streaming, ok. But that doesn't matter. Nobody (= not more than 0,5% of the population) wants to see a person's whole life. People want to see funny or interesting snippets, and they are on YouTube.
Joost offers premium content. Sure, they haven't yet proven anything, beside content deals with a lot of major companies, advertising deals with a lot of companies and a beta-tester group of more than a million people.
What have Justin.tv and Kyte proven? They have no great content (ok, they have Justin and iJustine), no major advertising deals (eg made no ground in monetizing) and have considerably smaller tester teams.
Yes, there is a risk in Joost. But they have come way further than Kyte and Justin together.
Joost is one-way media. Two-way media will prove much more viral in the end. But you're right. That's a bet I'm making and it might prove out to be wrong. I don't think so, though.
I hope Liz and Om have this planned and if not Why ????
Another conference worth seeing: http://www.convergenceculture.org/futuresofente...
Anyway, back to Halo on the home theater.
(Disclosure: I own 5 TVs. Also, I _am_ Web 2.0)
That conference is just a buncha blowhard hot-air, sight, sound and fury, accomplishing nothing.
And Joost is a simple distributional method, nothing "new" in terms of content or even distribution there.
New TV to me is the Fall Schedule, Pushing Daisies, Bionic (oddly) I like, but not sure they will survive. Glad to see ole Dexter back, and Califorincation seems all too me-me self-indulgent, but somehow I like it still. Betty back, Rescue Me, Eureka and Kyle get new life, Lost and Jericho coming back. Earl, Office and all the rest chugging along. Dullsville dead-pools: Life Is Wild, Moonlight, Nashville, Private Practice, Dirty Sexy Money, Big Shots, Cane, Carpoolers, Cavemen, Chuck. Journeyman, with ole Lucius Vorenus, a minor-hit. I still miss John from Cincinnati, pout, pout. Henry the VII, seeeeecoooond seasssson yay. Welcome relief after that movie disaster of 'Elizabeth: The Golden Age.' Gawd, Hollywood sucks, the real good writing is all TV nowadays; that's what happens when you make the writer the focus.
Many New Online Video Conferences and Events Lacking Focus, Won't Survive
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“People are looking for different types of entertainment, when and where they want to see it and we can deliver a high quality experience that meets their needs”, says Brim. To view demonstrations of advanced high quality HD streaming, visit us at http://www.alphaexposure.com/videostreaming or contact us at 1-417-332-0456.