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Re: MySpace’ers learn harsh reality

WoW Goud — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:40:06 -0000

Excellent, Social marketing is an adaptable approach, increasingly being used to achieve and sustain behaviour goals on a range of social issues, it is a very good post .

Cheers,

Andy Colleman

Re: MySpace’ers learn harsh reality

zhanoo — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:49:08 -0000

Uploading Photos and Videos to MySpace - Uploading photos to your MySpace account is fairly simple. First you must log into your account and then click on the links that says, "Add/edit photos." You then receive a warning stating that photos which include nudity, violent or offensive materials or copyrighted images are not permitted. You can then browse through your hard drive to find the desired photo. Photos uploaded to MySpace must be .gif or .jpg format and must be smaller than 600k. Once you find an appropriate photo, click upload and the photo will be added to your account. Once a photo is added you can create a caption for this photo.

Re: MySpace’ers learn harsh reality

Mike Abundo — Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:21:55 -0000

Screw MySpace. Mammals who chain themselves to dinosaurs are just begging to get crushed.

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dionysius — Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:53:57 -0000

I like to keep a blog as a hobby, I don't make money from it and I have no intention to do so. I've used a lot of different services including having my own domain. Of all the ones I've tried I like WP.com the best. I paid a small amount to have a domain name here and I would actually be willing to pay for the service. Of course I do like having it free though.

Re: MySpace’ers learn harsh reality

mattgunn — Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:18:46 -0000

Hmmm, interesting stuff. I've never been a fan of myspace, so this doesn't really effect me. But I know a ton of people who use it.

-Matt
www.mattgunn.ca

Re: MySpace’ers learn harsh reality

raincoaster — Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:07:08 -0000

They can, they'll get to it once they've responded to all these requests for Adsense and Flash embeds...

Re: MySpace’ers learn harsh reality

feartheseeds — Thu, 12 Apr 2007 06:36:33 -0000

"...and the boys at WP are smart."
Then why can't they figure out how to make me a sandwich? The bread is right over there...

Re: MySpace’ers learn harsh reality

raincoaster — Thu, 12 Apr 2007 01:33:51 -0000

Wordpress.com doesn't directly monetize Robert's blog, but they do host adsense on many of the other blogs here and have for many months now; you won't see them if you're signed in to your Wordpress account, but you will otherwise. But I do not know how much money this makes them.

As for MySpace, with the inroads Facebook has been making on them it is slightly to the north of INSANE for them to start making things difficult for their users. Yanking the chain of your customers and hitting them with sticks is not an effective way to make them love you.

God knows, I've had my trials with Photobucket over the years. They're far from perfect. But the fact is, I have perhaps a thousand images stored there and if Wordpress were to suddenly disallow embedding those images here in a brazen control grab I would go completely apeshit and so would about 600,000 other people who use this service. And so Wordpress does not.

They're also too smart to disallow Podtech embedding. The PR value of keeping Robert and his fans happy is worth quite a lot, and the boys at WP are smart.

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Dear Aunaetitrakul — Thu, 12 Apr 2007 00:07:41 -0000

I agree wordpress is a good deal to reach out to other readers. Unlike blogspot..that hosting site doesn't do shyt. I'm glad I moved away from it.

Re: MySpace’ers learn harsh reality

John — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:23:16 -0000

At least with hosting my own blog, should I ever piss off Kathy and Bert, Maryam, or even the all fired up Tim O'Reilly, the demise that met meankids and unclebobism won't land on my doorstep.

However, I agree with you. When you go to someone else's house for supper you get's what you get's....

Re: MySpace’ers learn harsh reality

Dewey — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:02:23 -0000

Social networking limitations are everywhere...what widgets you can use, whether you can get paid for the eyeballs you bring, who can see your personal content (bosses/predators/recruiters?), moving friends and content between sites, and some sites don't even let you put HTML on your profile.

Minggl solves all of these problems TODAY and MySpace cannot block the content it serves---check it out!!

Re: MySpace’ers learn harsh reality

Scott Gunsaullus — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:45:47 -0000

To say that the relationship between photobucket and MySpace is parasitic is to imply that MySpace doesn't get anything out of the relationship. Photobucket brings users, content, and value to the table. Symbiotic is a more accurate description.

Re: MySpace’ers learn harsh reality

Kendall — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:39:02 -0000

Paying for private hosting has many advantages. I am hosting every image, including the layout images, on my MySpace account. It's much easier to host comments, too. I just upload *whatever I want* to my domain using an FTP client, then copy my self-hosted URL. All this takes less time and effort than the aforementioned parasitic hosting services, plus I get over 5Gb of storage and 200Gb of monthly transfer.

Here is an example:
http://the67show.com/images...

Thanks for the post.
-Kendall

Re: MySpace’ers learn harsh reality

Dan G — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:14:46 -0000

I don't know how wordpress.com generates revenue, but you (Robert) being here is certainly beneficial to them - thousands of people (like me) must have learned of wordpress.com's hosted service through your blog being here.

Re: MySpace’ers learn harsh reality

David Dalka — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:41:20 -0000

Good points.

It would be great if you actually got the same Wordpress software experience and features in a self hosted version as you get here, but alas, you don't at this time. That is most unfortunate.

Re: MySpace’ers learn harsh reality

Chris L — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:11:37 -0000

I think it's OK for Myspace to block anything they want. If they make a bad decision the free market will sort it out.

Re: MySpace’ers learn harsh reality

Joseph — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:29:40 -0000

Didn't MySpace promote their "300" photo campaign a month before the film was released? This was a huge improvement to their previous limit which I believe was under 20.

Of course different people's usage will vary, but 300 images at 5MB limit is a significant amount of image storage - especially when its free!

If we are talking about content blocking as a whole, then I think MySpace has a real issue on their hands.

On the one hand, the "free" and "wide-open" principles of media sharing is what made MySpace the darling of social networking sites.

You could host your webpage on MySpace, run a blog with that might be read by millions of other MySpacers, leave an image comment on a friends profile, and even share the lastest and greatest videos circulating online in the Forums.

This community portal aspect went hand in hand with the idea of members contributing, sharing, and evolving the whole online social networking scene.

Eventually though, MySpace hit a serious roadblock with troublemakers and kids who were all too willing to discover the latest and greatest MySpace exploit.

Spammers began by exploiting their bulletin posting system last summer. The assualt then lead to bot-flooders wrecking their own brand of havoc on the MySpace Forums.

Malicious scripting has an even longer history on MySpace, which many believed evolved from MySpace layouts being freely distributed for use, and acting as the trojan horse for external site tracking, and eventually evolving to the scale of being embedded not only in members profiles, but within image comments, the videos being shared, and also being distributed through a number of inbuilt messaging channels through the MySpace site (ie. friend requests, event invites, blog subscription invites, etc).

If MySpace used the same philosophy as eBay once did when it pioneered online social networking, and that philosophy was based on this notion that people are generally good, then MySpace had to learn the hard way that, yes, there are some good people out there. And then there are those that need to be kept honest.

With regard to blocked content, if MySpace didn't filter flash content, phishing scripts, images from external and non-trusted sites, then it could well be blamed for not doing enough to ensure its staying power.

In the case of MySpace, being fooled the first time may well have been enough.

Re: MySpace’ers learn harsh reality

Robert Scoble — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:22:51 -0000

Ro: yes. Paypal was definitely parasitic on eBay. That one worked out well for them. Which is why VC firms throw money at business plans like this. It probably will still work out well for Photobucket. They'll survive on their own, even after the blood supply from MySpace was cut off. In fact, growth might even go up as MySpacers use Photobucket just to "spite" the corporate suits who screwed them.

Re: MySpace’ers learn harsh reality

Robert Scoble — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:19:39 -0000

>seshadri: I assumed that Viacom was right in its suit against Google and would win. Still do. But that win will prove to be expensive for Viacom because it puts their growth in a box. It's now a brand I won't see as "new media." Yeah, I'll watch lots of "old and big media stuff" but that's not where the growth in the industry is going to come from over the next decade.

>macbeach. Wordpress doesn't yet make money off of my blog. I wouldn't be surprised to start seeing ads at some point, though. That's part of the implicit agreement you make when you go with a free hoster.

I have a special deal in that I got a custom template. Now that's possible on their VIP program.

Re: MySpace’ers learn harsh reality

Ro — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:19:01 -0000

I guess Paypal would be a parasitic service in your mind Robert?

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macbeach — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:58:38 -0000

Are you using the "standard" free Wordpress hosting or did you get a special deal. Seems like I remember there was something special about it (I'm not a Wordpress user).

So, how does Wordpress make any money off your blog. Considering the traffic you probably generate they would definitely have some expense associated with it.

I think the Google model for Blogger, and some of their other things is (so far) goodwill based. Having a lot of things I do all in Google is a convenience as they (the various features) begin to work together more and more. Yahoo, on the other hand seems to put ads on everything. It wouldn't surprise me if they were to run ads on top of other ads.

But how does a specialty company like Wordpress monetize?

Re: MySpace’ers learn harsh reality

Chris — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:48:18 -0000

"Photobucket was funded to the tune of $10.5 million by Trinity Ventures."
sent and sent, thanks.

Re: MySpace’ers learn harsh reality

LayZ — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:37:39 -0000

@22 Robert, thanks. I did not know that. All I'm saying is...product placement is also advertising ;-)

Re: MySpace’ers learn harsh reality

seshadri — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:36:37 -0000

I think you current stand is contradicting some of of earlier stuff

"And, it certainly would piss me off if I worked on Wordpress.com if someone came along and made money from my user’s photos and videos"

Replace 'wordpress.com' with ViaCom and 'my user's' with 'my'. You get this -

"And, it certainly would piss me off if I worked on ViaCom if someone came along and made money from my photos and videos". But weren't you against viacom taking such a stance and suing YouTube?

Re: MySpace’ers learn harsh reality

tk — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:18:48 -0000

It really depends what's your goals are.
I played with WP on their hosted service. But once I decided for their plateform I went to a couple of shared server. and they all have their limitations.
So we decided to our own server. More control, but that's also mean more work. Hopefully I have AmO with me who handling all the maintenance, as he is a wordpress wizard among other things.

Hosted by Wordpress, you just post and they do all the background work for you. It gives you more time to write useful content.