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Re: McLaws is right on Windows Vista ship date

Garbage. Sucks. Junk. Horrible — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:29:14 -0000

Hate is an understatement. I despise this operating system, literally.

I was one of the earlier adopters and after forking over much tango denero to buy this sorry excuse for an operating system, I soon came to realize it would be littered with more bugs than a 400 year-old wooden porch.

Crashes occured daily, blue screens a plenty. You name it. And that is not even considering the lack of driver support. This GIGO operating system found ways to surprise me, and in a bad way.

So I waited patiently, thinking SP1 would save the day. Last week, I installed SP1, only to have this operating system show me new blue screens of frozen tundra. Crashing daily, sometimes twice a day! This for me is quite common. And this is a clean install computer!

Gates, give me back my damn money! You should be paying me to use this junk!

Re: McLaws is right on Windows Vista ship date

juegos — Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:20:11 -0000

“If this ships in October, I will recommend not installing it and waiting for the first service pack. There’s no way the quality will be high enough to trust it if it ships early.”

Re: McLaws is right on Windows Vista ship date

MARIN — Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:17:00 -0000

TYTJ

Re: McLaws is right on Windows Vista ship date

Alex Givant — Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:11:01 -0000

Excellent show about Vista network stack

http://www.twit.tv/sn51

Re: McLaws is right on Windows Vista ship date

spawn — Wed, 09 Aug 2006 02:17:50 -0000

Well all I have to say is that, vista reworks the kernel, but hasnt changed it which is what they need to do to make it more secure, so they would have to rewrite the kernel which they wont because it will break programs, well heres and easy solution make a version for pc OS upgrade and make a version with the new kernel, i know more work for woftware writers, but geez we need to push away, we need a new kernel, we need new things leave everyone behind, we cant go forward if they have to worry about backwards compatability, move forward thats the key, i think microsoft made a mistake writing the whole OS ground up, now we have so many bugs to deal with, so were gonna have to wait untill a few more os releases before it gets stable enough like xp sp2, u guys remember Windows Me? geez 98 se is more stable,

Re: McLaws is right on Windows Vista ship date

blinx — Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:27:39 -0000

>You know i think when it ships it will just be
>a rip off of the current mac os

NO FARKING WAY!!!!!

It'll be a rip off full-stop. XP with bigger hardware requirements.

Re: McLaws is right on Windows Vista ship date

deetoo — Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:28:31 -0000

Yeap, I remember it was Bill Gates presenting Windows and it crashed. But nonetheless, the product shipped and the world bought. Will it happen for Vista again? Microsoft came over and did a snazzy presentation on BBC using Vista to deliver unparalleled rich UX to entice us to stick with the product and be hyped. The guy next to me just said "We'll wait for service pack 2".

Re: McLaws is right on Windows Vista ship date

skippy — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 23:52:15 -0000

I'm in the very odd minority on this one. 5 years ago I turned Apple fanboy, and I've been using everything but windows since then. I'm back to working in a windows shop again, and have had the opportunity to run Vista. I've got the July CTP running on my thinkpad, which only has a 2GHz P-M although it does have a 256MB graphics card. Vista runs great. It looks great, mostly stable, and functionally they've added all the bells and whistles you could ever want. I'm actually really excited about Vista I think it's going to be a stellar os.

That being said I agree with one of the first comments - why doesn't MS do another 'research OS' like singularity for desktops? Put some of their ace programmers on the job of coding up a new OS from scratch. Nix all the legacy crap that bloats the NT kernel, write it for new systems and release it as such.

Re: McLaws is right on Windows Vista ship date

AndyK — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:47:47 -0000

Karim,

Unreal Tournament under OSX was never finished. It was a preview release or beta. On my G3 UT ran pretty good under OS9 but OSX was painful.

Re: McLaws is right on Windows Vista ship date

RyanC — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:05:49 -0000

@Darby: "…. by the way, is MS going to get rid of that idiotic Home/Professional distinction in Vista? =/"

I'm afraid not, there will be five versions of Vista: Business, Enterprise, Home Premium, Home Basic and Ultimate.

http://www.microsoft.com/wi...

Re: McLaws is right on Windows Vista ship date

henk — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:19:53 -0000

I'm back to mac, totally. The 64 bit OSX will scream on the new hardware. Windows got too fat, other cores are far more efficient from MacosX to Linux... Maybe they should just do a 64-bit DOS, with Office on top... Maybe they should develop a Vista skin for Linux. Or maybe they should do somethingreally new instead of going after the Ipod... Maybe it's too late. Maybe that's why Bill Gates is jumping ship...

Re: McLaws is right on Windows Vista ship date

SteveJ — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:15:34 -0000

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OS X is a major rewrite of OS 9. Sorry you missed one of the most successful and technologically impressive transitions ever accomplished.

Comment by JHG — August 3, 2006 @ 9:12 am
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Actually - it is a major rewrite of the os9 api's ( carbon ) and a major revision to the OpenStep operating system.
It is NOT os9. But it is a set of cleaned up os9

Re: McLaws is right on Windows Vista ship date

A smug mac user — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:53:50 -0000

RAID 0 on comment 49 writes: “That’s a load crap. OS X is ONE VERSION no matter how many times Apple “patches” it. If you look at it the way Cody does, then you’d have to say SP1 and SP2 are different versions of XP. RIGHT?? OS X 10.5 is still ver 10! NOT 11!”

Each version of OX X are very different OSes. Even security issues are different. Features continue to improve with each version. There was no feature change from SP1 to Sp2

Re: McLaws is right on Windows Vista ship date

Darby — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:52:32 -0000

Comment #49: "I hate how people compare OS X to XP and Vista. I see people typing things like.. “That’s why Mac OS X 10.5 will be out soon. Think of all the different versions of OS X that have come out while Microsoft can’t get Vista right.”

That’s a load crap. OS X is ONE VERSION no matter how many times Apple “patches” it. If you look at it the way Cody does, then you’d have to say SP1 and SP2 are different versions of XP. RIGHT?? OS X 10.5 is still ver 10! NOT 11!"

SP1 and SP2 are different versions of XP... congratulations on stating the obvious. While I am somewhat upset at having to pay 70 some dollars every year to year and a half to upgrade my OS X, I am not upset at the continued development and the near constant improvements functionality and speedwise to the OS.

I'd rather that than wait a number of years for an update that (so far) sounds like it will force anyone running a computer more than a year or two old to upgrade and then may even slow your workrate down. The reason you're thinking Vista is such a big jump forward (and it is in most regards) is because it's the first one in a while.... by the way, is MS going to get rid of that idiotic Home/Professional distinction in Vista? =/

Re: McLaws is right on Windows Vista ship date

Darby — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:45:07 -0000

"That’s why Mac OS X 10.5 will be out soon. Think of all the different versions of OS X that have come out while Microsoft can’t get Vista right."

Well, there's a good reason for this: Apple has to do much much much much less QC work on OS X releases than MS does. Apple knows what hardware will be running it's OS, it built the hardware. MS has to account for about 1,000,000x10^10 (slightly exaggerated) different setups. This is a major reason Apple has continued to pair its OS with its machines exclusively. I've even heard that once upon a time MS didn't want to bother developing a GUI for PCs so asked Apple to develop the Mac OS for PCs (pre-Windows) but Apple also didn't want to bother with it =) If you know what's running your software it's easier to make leaner software.

In response to someone elses comment about using a GPU to render the UI, it's not that costly. And I do believe OS X uses OpenGL to render pretty much everything on screen: http://www.apple.com/macosx...

Re: McLaws is right on Windows Vista ship date

JHG — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:12:45 -0000

RAID 0 on comment 49 writes: "That’s a load crap. OS X is ONE VERSION no matter how many times Apple “patches” it. If you look at it the way Cody does, then you’d have to say SP1 and SP2 are different versions of XP. RIGHT?? OS X 10.5 is still ver 10! NOT 11!"

OS X is a major rewrite of OS 9. Sorry you missed one of the most successful and technologically impressive transitions ever accomplished.

Re: McLaws is right on Windows Vista ship date

sudhakar — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:48:21 -0000

I wonder how come this winsupersite guy gets so much excited about windows vista and gives almost 5 star rating?

I tried windows vista on my laptop (infact very slow HDD and ATI 64MB graphics card) and everything worked very fine.

Re: McLaws is right on Windows Vista ship date

gctwnl — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:26:53 -0000

Molly C: Just one small comment: Apple supports only two major revisions concurrently. So, currently, 10.3 and 10.4 are supported (get security updates etc.) and 10.2 and earlier are not. Hence, when 10.5 appears, staying at 10.3 will potentially make your situation slowly less secure as new holes are found and not plugged.

Re: McLaws is right on Windows Vista ship date

Aleksandar — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:02:41 -0000

You...devil!

I'm just going through reviews and reviews, loking for the monitor to buy. Just when I decided on a compromise, you say this about number of Apple products to be annouced, then MacRumors adds that it might be new displays (I hope with HDCP) and I'm faced with terrible dilema: buy now or wait next week - and I have just 2 days shopping window next week (2 days left in UK and then go back to home country where monitors are very pricey).

Arrgh!

Re: McLaws is right on Windows Vista ship date

giacomo — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 05:23:51 -0000

La notizia di un possibile slittamento di Vista è inesistente. Quelli sono solo articoli tratti da dei blog di utenti qualsiasi che non hanno nulla a che fare com Microsoft, non fanno parte dello sviluppo e quindi non possono sapere come procede e se sono in difficoltà o meno. Ancora una volta si fa tanta disinformazione.
Per la cronaca io la beta di Vista l'ho provata e non vedo così tanti problemi come dicono.. anzi è più veloce di XP e parecchio stabile su un PC di 5 anni fa!

Re: McLaws is right on Windows Vista ship date

Rail — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 05:23:33 -0000

Re: McLaws is right on Windows Vista ship date

Rail — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 05:19:05 -0000

scobleizer, you're not a Microsoft developer, you're not working on Windows Vista team, so you don't know how the Windows Vista development is going. So please shut up your mouth!

Re: McLaws is right on Windows Vista ship date

Thomas Lee — Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:49:47 -0000

Vista is simply not ready. What is sad is that MS is closing down bugs (as opposed to fixing them) in order to get this puppy out of the door.

My main on the go 3g card (a vodaphone data card) does not work with Vista. It was simply closed today with no work around!

My mail/news client, Turnpike, does not work under vista. The app-compat bug was closed today (no work around)

Oh - and in Xp and earlier, you could drag an object from explorer into a cmd prompt and get the full path dropped into cmd.exe. This too is broken and has been closed as "will not fix".

Vista needs a Beta 3.

Re: McLaws is right on Windows Vista ship date

Molly C — Wed, 02 Aug 2006 15:10:18 -0000

Now, as for Scoble's issues:

I read Chris Pirillo's "UI issues", almost all of which are so minor and I don't even agree with many of his complaints to begin with. I wouldn't hold up a release for those things.

Performance - yes, if perfomance is lacking in October, then Microsoft should delay and do another beta. But the latest build is much faster than beta2 was. I say wait until October to make the call, not make the call right now, particularly those that have no inside info (anymore).

Drivers: Of course, if the drivers aren't ready, then delay. But that's not a six month issue; please...

My feeling is that the latest build is miles better than beta2 was, and if improvements continue at that rate, then Vista may very well be ready in October. It's too soon to make a definitive declaration at this point.

I also say that you have to ship sometime. One can always make an argument to wait six more months. Microsoft can keep delaying six months for the next five years, and there'd still be calls to wait six more months. You have to ship sooner or later; there's always SP1 to address nagging issues.

Let's see where things stand in October. I don't think most here (including Scoble) are in any position to make a solid prediction on that.

Re: McLaws is right on Windows Vista ship date

Molly C — Wed, 02 Aug 2006 15:02:18 -0000

"MSFT had a chance to re-work the OS and put it on top of a BSD or a LINUX kernel. They chose to stay proprietary instead. The customers will continue to pay a price for that decsion. "

TomB, how old are you, twelve?
Where'd you get the idea that *nix is the be-all and end-all, and can't be surpassed?

I thought it was sad that Apple abandoned its attempt at its own modern OS design in favor of yet another *nix, since it meant that every desktop OS is either NT-derived or has a *nix core. I liked that Apple had a unique design with Classic Mac OS, and it's too bad they failed when trying modernize it.

Anyway, I don't think *every* OS should to be *nix. Unless you want OS design to stagnate.