DISQUS

TDavid · 2 years ago

Blu-Ray leading HD-DVD 2:1, which makes this move curious, but there are pros and cons to each format we seeing in our household.

Might consider getting yourself a PS3 for Christmas (hey, it's only four months away). There is a new puzzle game on there that I'm guessing Maryam would like.

Then you can compare Blu-Ray to HD-DVD head to head in your own living room. I think you'll like the picture quality at 1080p of Blu-Ray better.

Sean Scott · 2 years ago

Robert,

another video site which should definitely be getting a first/second look from you is ustream.com.

It does a lot of the things you mentioned Kyte does and it can broadcast it live as well.

Live may not be the right format for everyone, but since you don't edit your videos, it actually maybe a very nice fit for you.

It also has some nice chat features on it as well.

Robert Scoble · 2 years ago

Sean: Ustream doesn't have a chat that has audio/video/and text.

It also doesn't let me record before broadcasting. It's always live.

It also doesn't have as nice a Facebook integration.

It also doesn't let me upload from my Nokia N95.

Robert Scoble · 2 years ago

TDavid: I compared both and can't see the difference between either format on my TV.

James · 2 years ago

Scoble, for quick edits and uploads, check out the new iMovie, its really fast for the quick job!

Sean Scott · 2 years ago

Robert,

If Ustream and Kyte combined i think you would have a pretty robust offering there.

I've been a "regular" in your Kyte.tv room, and feel the interrupted video take a away from what the experience could be were you broadcasting live. sure it's easier for you because of your n95, but when you are sitting at a coffee shop or at home broadcasting how hard is it to use your webcam. If you have a powerbook that's built-in.

As for the audio/video part of the chat at this point because of the lack of context i look at these at nice little gadget but of little use. Imagine your chatroom if folks only replied with video or text. You'd have to go through every single one to get a sense of content and threads.

I think it comes down to personal choice and preference. I'm not really sold on either right now. Leaning towards Ustream because of the webcam integration and live component.

Robert Scoble · 2 years ago

Sean: I'd love to have Kyte have a live capability too, but personally I hated being always on and always live. With Kyte I have one edit point: when I decide whether or not to broadcast the video or not. I've used it several times when my videos have sucked or someone gets involved that doesn't want to have their face broadcast. See Dave Winer's point today: http://www.scripting.com/stories/2007/08/20/vid...

Robert Scoble · 2 years ago

Sean: the reason I like the audio chat is because I can do it from my cell phone. I hate typing on my cell phone. Talking to you live is a lot easier.

Sean Scott · 2 years ago

Robert: point taken. Recorded video affords you those precious few moments of scarcity and control over your content. However with Ijustin and Ijustine of the world, and the fact that we're constantly connected, is being constantly broadcast really that far off?

And i agree with you whole heartedly that voice is far more powerefull than text. I'm actually working on an app to add context to voice. That's all i can say now. :)

Thanx for engaging

Nicholas Butler · 2 years ago

Robert,
Thanks for posting this , let me get my recent Video comparison blog entry pimpage out of the way

http://www.oreillygmt.eu/2007/08/comparison-of-...

Now lets talk Kyte.tv.
First, it was your adoption of the technology that lead me to Kyte.tv and from there to consider what it offers to the producer of content. Of all the sites I have played with Kyte.tv feels like a site where you can publish content that fits within the Microformat media genre. I have often compared it to the twitter of Video Blogging. At first I kinda bridled to the lack of Live content and then it "clicked" as to why this is actually a feature and a value add to this content. Why ? Well because the chance to stop and redo an idea increases the likelihood that I will stop in and create. So your thoughts on that reflected my own and it was interesting to see the different sides to the same coin in that realisation.

Now Adobe.
If Windows has Windows Media Player, and Macs have Quicktime and Linux has Totem then the Internet has Flash Video Player. I have bounced this idle speculation around before but Adobe seem to be keen to embrace and extend their own technology to incorporate support for more formats and platforms. Adobe seem to becoming the media player for the Internet and thats a very strong position to have ownership of in the long term.

Thats all for now thanks for the post and thanks for taking time to do it.

Rodney Rumford · 2 years ago

Robert,
Nice comparison of the 2. I happen to love Kyte and the things that they are doing. Daniel their CEO is a great guy as well. I did not realize they are redesigning their player. I hope it does not screw up my blog where i have it. ;)

http://www.facereviews.com

Just did a video review on my Kyte channel with slides of the facebook app on an iPhone simulator. I also like the fact that I can roll slide shows, transitions, embed links, embed logos and video all in ONE screen with Kyte. Nice multimedia experience in my opinion.

That is one of the really cool things. Nice talking with you the other night. Take care.
Rodney Rumford

Marius · 2 years ago

Robert,
A good comparison about those two services.

You are already used to the new chatting features:
Video/Audio chat instead of text chat is way more powerful!

Trendmatcher · 2 years ago

Which video system is getting your attention?
Operator11.com is great! We use it a lot in the Netherlands to broadcast our own shows. What's so good about is is that while live you can switch to other users and "give them teh camera".
I just got a http://www.mogulus.com/ account but cannot say much about it yet.
I think Operator11 wins...

Mario Ruiz · 2 years ago

Hi Robert,

I also use Wordpress. Let me take a different point of refference to make my point.

I like Kyte rather than YouTube.

1. Seems cleaner
2. Seems a better breed of video tool
3. Seems more professional in format

The advantage of YouTube today is the amount of plugins we have.

Mario Ruiz
@ http://www.oursheet.com

Deepak · 2 years ago

I am using Kyte.tv to supplement my blogging and online presence. It has the capability of providing very interesting real time feedback and for me to discuss things with a different audience. I definitely find it to be the most effective of all the platforms out there, at least for me. Picked it up after your interview on Podtech and I am glad I did.

Jonb · 2 years ago

Your Soloway interview was excellent. Excellent comparison of Kyte and Podtech. Questions: Do you think audio only podcasts, like IT conversations, will eventually go away and be replaced by video? I don't think a static head and shoulders video of an interview adds much. And who has time to watch hours of that video? You can listen to an audio podcast while driving, commuting, exercising, etc. At least, PodTech should have a button for .mp3 download. Or do you think flash memory is so cheap, why bother with having both .mp3 and .mp4 downloads? Also, consider that the cheap players only play .mp3's.

Michael Markman · 2 years ago

If you want quick turnaround and HD quality for your Podcast work, you might consider investing in a direct-to-edit hard disk recorder for your camera. Unplug it from the camera, plug it into your Mac and it's instantly accessible in FCP. Given the quantity you shoot, it would pay for itself pretty quickly.

samcollins · 2 years ago

I thought the format was Blu-Ray, not Blue-Ray :(

Chris Yeh · 2 years ago

Great discussion about the various strengths of the different platforms.

I think what this discussion shows is that video is the future of online communications. Ultimately, we are visual creatures, and the desire to see is so strong that we put up with what are still very early-stage implementations.

At Ustream, we believe that the interactivity of live is a killer app, but I can also see the importance of recorded as well. No one would argue that the music industry should consist solely of live performances, or solely of MP3 downloads.

Ironically enough, when the phonograph first came out, musicians fought the technology tooth and nail, figuring that it would kill the market for live performances.

The real interesting challenge is finding a way for all of these platforms (PodTech, Kyte, Ustream, Operator11, etc.) to work together. I'll be watching with great curiosity.

Chris Yeh
CEO, Ustream.TV

K-Dog · 2 years ago

"What do you think?"

I think you just posted a message that threw your employer under the bus. WTF-- you basically just admitted that Kyte has more end-user functionality than the guys who write your checks.

Robert Scoble · 2 years ago

K-Dog: if you thought Podtech was an end-user video system then that's the bug I was working to fix here. It's not and you're right.

When you watch Lost do you care how that got to you? No.

Robert Scoble · 2 years ago

Chris: absolutely. Live definitely has its place. I want to watch sports live, for instance. Same with a building burning down or a disaster or weather news.

Deepak · 2 years ago

Lets not forget YouTube, Blip.tv, Splashcast, etc in this discussion. If you want to get a video of your cat out there, and there is no need for interactivity, YouTube is as good a place as any. If you want to get your video podcast distributed, Blip is fabulous. For aggregating content and making it available to others (or just yourself), go Splashcast. UStream and Kyte have been discussed above.

What I find amazing is how quickly video has become part of the personal content distribution. As a particular fan of audio podcasts, I almost feel sorry that podcasting might never really get its day in the sun because video will just become the dominant medium.

LayZ · 2 years ago

@24 "When you watch Lost do you care how that got to you? No.

WTF? Then why the hell do you care that Dreamworks went with HD-DVD? Why the hell do you care if your HD TV monitor supports 1080p or not? Why the hell do people bitch about the quality of DirecTV's HD signal? Why the hell do football fans want EVERY NFL game broadcast in HD? Because they DO CARE how a program gets to them

Since you don't care how a program gets to you, can we have no more whining about not getting HD content through your cable or satellite provider?

Christopher Coulter · 2 years ago

I am not wrong. Most have already gone Blu-Ray. Paramount will come around, you just wait, the $150M bout-out only extended the format wars for another year or so. Losers are the customers.

5 major studios vs. one, and double the sales with Blockbuster going only Blu...what will you bet on? Man, stay away from Vegas or the stock market, with your picks. You did notice in that "exclusive" the Spielberg exception clause? Interesting, eh?

But really why do you care so much? Get a hybrid and be insured against all the insanity.

Christopher Coulter · 2 years ago

A pay-off and you are saying winner? I doubt they will make it beyond 10 months, reaction has been seriously bitter.

The NY Times has confirmed via two Viacom executives, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, that Paramount has received a $150M pay-off to support HD DVD exclusively for a period of 18 months. The $150M is comprised of cash and future marketing deals. Also re-confirmed is that the deal includes no films directed by Steven Spielberg.

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"Paramount pisses me off!", Michael Bay says, "I want people to see my movies in the best formats possible. For them to deny people who have Blu-ray sucks! They were progressive by having two formats. No Transformers 2 for me!"

Robert Scoble · 2 years ago

LayZ: we're talking about two different things.

One distribution method has a cost involved. Bluray and HD-DVD players are expensive so most people will only buy one.

But Web distribution methods? They are all free to you.

Not the same thing.

I really don't care which Web video distribution method you use as long as I can watch your video.

But if you make me buy another player to watch your movie? Yeah, I'll care about that.

In the long run, though, the format wars go away. One of my friends gets all his movies from Bittorrent.

LayZ · 2 years ago

@29 For the near term the winner will likely continue to be plain ol' DVD. Consumers will sit back and wait as long as they can continue to buy the old format. Price will win out and given that DVD players are very cheap now, it's unlikely Joe Sixpack will be going out and making a $500-$800 bet on one format or the other.

Robert Scoble · 2 years ago

LayZ: I'm deleting your comments if all you do is attack me. Go some place else if you think I need this shit.

Siamak · 2 years ago

Robert, I am so happy you are finally considering filtering out LayZ's comments. I have no idea why you have been bothering to reply to his constant nitpickings. He doesn't know how to behave in public and his large ego makes him wants to prove how much smarter he is than top blogger Robert Scoble and the more you reply to his comments, the more you encourage him and others like him.

You have been incredibly patient with him till now. If you really hate the idea of imposing even such a limited form of censorship, please try to ignore him, but I know that I would have a very tough time doing so.

If you don't start disallowing LayZ from commenting here or don't learn to ignore him completely, the danger is that either you will turn off commenting for all your readers or even worse you might get so fed up that you will quit blogging.

I and many others love your blog and find it highly informative and entertaining. Please do not let a few rude people amongst your audience to destroy this wonderful blog. Remember, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few!

Robert Scoble · 2 years ago

Siamak: thanks. I've been getting many of the same kind of feedback from many of my readers. I'm not going to allow attacks to survive here anymore and am moving my comments to "living room" rules. IE, if I wouldn't put up with it in my living room it wouldn't be allowed to stand up here.

Sandmax · 2 years ago

How about just letting peers rank comments? I like the way Joystiq and Engadget do it.

bill streeter · 2 years ago

Almost all of the comparisons you make where podtech loses have no relevance to the viewer. The viewer doesn't care how long it takes to upload a video of if they can upload a video, I might even add that the viewer doesn't care how advertisers interact with the player (a case where podtech wins but maybe from the viewers pov podtech loses). The things a viewer cares about is being informed/entertained and audio/video quality and a small percentage is interested in interaction. Almost everything else you mention here is irrelevant to the audience. Which is where you should start with any comparison, because without an audience you got nothin.

Craig · 1 year ago

I know this is old but I can't help in finding humor in the HD-DVD VS Blu-Ray comments. What are you going to do with your HD-DVD now, Robert?

Cindy · 1 year ago

Blu-Ray leading HD-DVD 2:1, which makes this move inquisitive, but there are advantages and disadvantages to each arrangement we seeing in our family. I agree with you whole heartedly that voice is far more powerful than text. That is one of the actually cool things. Pleasant talking with you the other night.

Amy · 1 year ago

i was wondering wether or not the fact that i just updated my shockwave player and flash player efects the kyte player ? becuase the website as far as i know isnt orking since i installed them or one of them.I just get that little box with the square circle and triangle. Could someone help me with this problem please ?