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Re: I want to public domain my RAW photo files

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Re: I want to public domain my RAW photo files

ranju gohain — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:08:25 -0000

i am new in this field but i think u can open your own website(sorry if u have one)and u can keep the jpeg files for show in there and upload torrents of raw files of your weekly or montly shots.

Re: I want to public domain my RAW photo files

SarekOfVulcan — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:18:45 -0000

I wonder why flickr doesn't actually let you tag your photos PD. I thought they did, but I see I was wrong.

Re: I want to public domain my RAW photo files

Eric — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:15:13 -0000

Torrent would be great for files of that size, and it would be nice to see a prominent techie putting it to legitimate use. Then we can all point to Linux ISOs and Scoble's RAW files when we write to our congressional representatives about file sharing...

Re: I want to public domain my RAW photo files

Børge / forteller — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:13:05 -0000

Scoble: I don't know if this is good enough for you, but there is a great photo sharing site called Ipernity (yes, they're in direct competition with Flickr) that is, as I said, primarily for photos, but that actually lets you upload any kind of files. If it's a file that is recognized by Ipernity (photos, audio, video) it will show it (or let you play it in the case of video and audio), but if it's not it just shows a file icon and lets anyone (or the ones you choose in the privacy settings) download the file very easily.

After reading this post I tried to upload one of my RAW photos, and it worked, except it wasn't recognized as a photo, so you only see a file icon, not the image itself. That's why I said that I don't know if it's good enough. You can still add a title and description, though, and you can set your default license to any Creative Commons license, or even, as you would, to "Free use (copyright surrendered, no license)". One solution to the problem that Ipernity doesn't show a preview of the RAW photos could be to set your camera to save both a RAW and a jpeg version of all your photos, and then upload both so that the next file always is the RAW-version of the photo you're currently watching.

Ipernity offers unlimited bandwidth to it's pro users (at least in theory, I havn't actually tested this), with a cap on 90 MB for each file, which should be more than enough for any RAW photo (in contrast to Flickrs cap on 10 MB, I've heard). One person who recently went from Flickr to Ipernity has written a great comparison of the two on Ipernitys own blog service (which is part of a normal account).

My photo stream at Ipernity is littered with screen shots and snapshots, but if you, or anyone, is interested in seeing some of my more "professional" photos, I've collected them in this album.

Well, I don't know if it's what you're looking for, but I just wanted to let you know about the possibility. Also, if a internet celebrity like you started using Ipernity that would be fantastic for this really small European startup (the team just recently increased to four people), competing on the same area as the Goliath Flickr.. :) (Note: I'm not working for Ipernity, just a big fan!)

Re: I want to public domain my RAW photo files

Christopher Coulter — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:40:08 -0000

I want to open my work up to those who need source material to make something else...

The market for that, counted on one hand.

Re: I want to public domain my RAW photo files

Robert Scoble — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:54:06 -0000

Greg: great, I see you only want to share your printed photography, or the ones you've selected on Flickr. Me too. But I'm coming at it with a difference. I want to open my work up to those who need source material to make something else. I also want to give you access to my "digital negatives" so you can improve on my choices. It's not for everyone, I understand.

Re: I want to public domain my RAW photo files

Greg — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:08:01 -0000

I too take my photography very seriously but I would never share my RAW files.
I take the photos because i have something about them in my mind. The end result that i want to achieve is usually hidden in the raw data but only I know where it is and what i want to do with the photo.

Yes giving out raw data gives more power for editing but what is is that you're really giving there? It's not the moment when you press your camera shutter that makes you a photographer. It's the end result that matters, the polished diamond and not the raw gravel. Giving out your photos is a good idea but they should be the ones that you're proud of and not the ones that you would still work on until you'd print them yourself.

Re: I want to public domain my RAW photo files

Mark Jaquith — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:18:43 -0000

This sounds like something Zooomr could tackle, as a way to further differentiate itself from Flickr.

Re: I want to public domain my RAW photo files

Pete Steege — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:30:26 -0000

High Definition video, high fidelity music, raw photos...proof points that the content explosion we've seen over the past 3 years is not a Bubble, big a Big Bang.

1 terabyte drives are seeming smaller every month!

Re: I want to public domain my RAW photo files

Ambar — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:54:19 -0000

I agreed with Christ Coulter. RAW means un-processing photos which need developments in such way that can not been achieved by other formats. The only reason to share actually about size. Yes indeed, the size lots bigger that JPEG. But the quality is flawless. Share RAW means lift the weight of you hard disk and probably made it simply for storage/back-up. But for printing or even viewing needs specific software (such free one on picassa or more sophisticated like Lightroom and Aperture)

Re: I want to public domain my RAW photo files

Christopher Coulter — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 01:53:38 -0000

I’m starting to wonder if you even are a photographer

My my, testy aren't we? It's that type of 'going personal' that gets you all the Valleywagish bile, esp. when you are wrong.

RAW files are more 'pure', as lots of additional work-flow steps, more clay to be molded. A latent image exposed, yet not developed, with the white balance, sharpening, contrast and saturation settings not yet final. Quibble over your personal meaning of "developed" but it's "unprocessed" for sure. I would more question the photographic judgment of someone saying RAW files are "ready for printing". Your image settings are but ignored, just saved in a header, without any in-camera processing, that being the whole advantage of RAW, the ability to correct all in post, demosaicing on a PC with more horsepower than the limited digital camera itself. Hence, "underdeveloped" by any sense of the word. I guess the argument could be made, that since there be so many proprietary RAW file formats, some do indeed 'process' or 'develop' things, but that's less than ideal, and DNG, at least, is trying to standardize.

But saying RAW is ready to print? You are out of your mind.

Re: I want to public domain my RAW photo files

obble wobble — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:36:13 -0000

Amen, brother Scoble!

I am totally in favor of you releasing your raw files! This is way cool, way, way, useful! Awlright!

Umm, howabout bittorrent? Surely there's someone here who's got a fast connection that would be willing to seed it?

Re: I want to public domain my RAW photo files

Robert Scoble — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:02:49 -0000

Ken: you can change SOME of my poor framing by recropping them the way you want.

RAW files aren't my "work?" As a photographer you don't view what you do in the camera as work? Did you know that many famous photographers, including many artists, hand over their negatives and let other people print them?

The source code analogy is apt. RAW files are the source code of photography. Just like source code is the RAW files of computer programming. Some people are very proprietary with their source code (like those who work at Microsoft). Others are very open with their source code, like the folks who develop Wordpress. I'd rather be in the "open/sharing" crowd than in the "keep it all secret" crowd.

As far as your criticism, I note that you don't include any of your work here. Is that because your work can't stand up to the criticism that you dish out here? I take my photography very seriously, by the way. That's why I'm sharing it with you, something I note that you don't do.

Finally, I'm starting to wonder if you even are a photographer if you think RAW files are similar to undeveloped film. No, they are more akin to developed film that needs to be printed.

Re: I want to public domain my RAW photo files

Ken — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:56:30 -0000

@44. Where did I say I didn't want access to source code? I'm confused how that it even remotely related. Your RAW files are not your "work". It's nothing more than undeveloped film.

Maybe you don't view photography as art. (and judging from your pictures, it appears you don't). I do. So, I'm not sure what value I get out of getting your snapshots via RAW format. I can't change your poor framing, focus, or viewpoints.

Re: I want to public domain my RAW photo files

Robert Scoble — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:37:58 -0000

Ken: I guess you'd argue that you don't want access to source code, either. Many photographers had other people print their work. Having access to the "negatives" is very important for doing that.

Also, I want you to be able to use my photography in any way you want. That means giving you access to my source files.

Re: I want to public domain my RAW photo files

Ken — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:03:14 -0000

I'm trying to figure out why I would want your undeveloped pictures? You are the photographer so you know (or at least should) how you wanted it exposed and developed.Seems sort of like a painter giving me a paint by numbers set.

Re: I want to public domain my RAW photo files

Paul Mendoza — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:54:15 -0000

Amazon S3 might be a good place to host something like that. Could make for a cool web 2.0 app.

Re: I want to public domain my RAW photo files

Ggoal — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 05:32:30 -0000

Yes, Podcast Mike, you are right! I had the same Idea! Maybe we have a web 2.0 "deviated" mind! :-)

Re: I want to public domain my RAW photo files

Darmerk — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 01:24:40 -0000

Robert, it's great that you'd like to share your images. The simple answer is any webhost that will offer the storage space but who knows how long RAW will be around. We're all facing decisions about archiving digital files in today's world. Heck, I've got 9,000+ images of my granddaughter and she's only 15 months old!

Re: I want to public domain my RAW photo files

Christopher Coulter — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 22:03:39 -0000

Pointless gesture. As no demand, no one cares, too much effort and cost on all sides of the equation...just burn a DVD/DVD DL for those few (freaks) that actually do care.

Re: I want to public domain my RAW photo files

Mark Smith — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 13:29:18 -0000

In the spirit of collaboration and an in kind payment for all of the great information you provide our community, I will sponsor an account for you on MoveDigital for your RAW files. Please let me know how much storage you need and I will make sure the delivery account stays funded. Do you want me to FEDEX you a firewire drive so we can get all 9000 images without a lengthy upload? The service runs on an ultra high speed storage cluster married to Internap's high speed bandwidth.

Re: I want to public domain my RAW photo files

sdf — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 11:52:03 -0000

patchouli - if the dng format is documented (and i believe it is), a 180 by adobe wouldn't matter at all. there are still dozends of programs you could access and convert them to any other format available. and as such, dng is a much more safe bet than the unstandardized, undocumented proprietary cameramaker formats

Re: I want to public domain my RAW photo files

stv — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 07:40:43 -0000

Nougthy, nougthy Robert,
I'like the source sharing concept behind your idea, but I also think you are pushing back to us the complexity of working with RAW files. I'd prefer you fixing your Nikon files and me just enjoing them ;-)
Lazy stv

P.S.: Telcos will start loving you for all this additional traffic.

Re: I want to public domain my RAW photo files

Patchouli Woollahra — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 07:14:08 -0000

I wouldn't *exactly* call Adobe's DNG a public domain format. The main problem being in that statement: "Adobe's".

What happens if Adobe decides one day to stop playing nice with RAW conversion? We're fscked, aren't we?