For me it still is about better syncing mechanisms rather than having everything just online. Because additionally to what I said above, I do not always have online access.
Even worse: Most of the applications do not work for me due to missing localisation. Default example for spreadsheets? My numpad has a , and no . - because 1,000 is one to me.
Plus with an offline app, I at least can fall back to something, as in my case to an Office 2003 instead of having to use this stupid new interface of Office 2007 (working surely great for normal users).
I guess it very much depends on your level of expertise and what you are doing with that (and where you are from).
I get it that most customers do not need what offline apps have to offer. And that is fine - for them.
Problem for me? If people stopp buying the offline app, and the online apps come not close to what the offline app does, then I loose the offline app. As people like myself are not buying as much as the ones using the online one. ;)
Niall Cook
· 2 years ago
To be fair, Ismael mentions Wetpaint in the Web Publishing section under "Applications Used Occasionally". I think there's also an important distinction to be made between "Office" and "Enterprise" use.
Karim
· 2 years ago
Office 2.0 are apps that you use to improve your work
Improve how?
and which go beyond the standard Microsoft Excel/Word/Powerpoint apps that don’t let you easily collaborate with others.
"Go beyond" how?
See, if I was more productive with a web-based word processor, or a web-based spreadsheet or presentation program, if they somehow had more features or allowed me to do a bunch of cool things I couldn't do with Word or Excel or Powerpoint or Outlook 2007, this statement would make more sense to me.
So far it seems like Office 2.0 is still trying to achieve feature & performance parity with "Office 1.0." It is definitely getting better, but right now "Office 2.0" feels more like "Office 0.5" ;)
By the way, on Monday morning Microsoft will announce something pretty cool in this area
Looking forward to hearing about it. I'm hoping it has more to do with collaboration (Sharepoint, Groove... SkyDrive integration in Windows Explorer, anyone?) or free web-based project management (Microsoft Basecamp?) and not so much, say, colored labels in Hotmail. :)
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
Improve how? Well, let you work with designers in a new way like Concept Share does, for instance. I didn't have a way to work with them like that before. Unless you think that sending an email to a designer is as good.
Go beyond? Um, you just explained in your next part of your comment how these things go beyond: collaboration.
anon
· 2 years ago
Improve how?
Improve by not tying your content into Microsoft's propreitary document formats. Last time I checked Office was $500 and that's a lot of money to spend on top of computer hardware for basic typewriter functionality.
Everything seems to get cheaper in the computer industry except for Microsoft products which seem to get worse and more expensive with each iteration.
Christopher Coulter
· 2 years ago
Just freaking give us real Office 2007 online, none of this crappy half-hearted Web 2.0/Office 2.0/Windows Live junk.
nulldaddy
· 2 years ago
As a developer, I think Microsoft is heading in the wrong direction. I simply refuse to mention any of their online apps to anyone, I won't go to bat for them any more. The defection to F/OSS is only temporary as more and more people realize we all have to make a living, and that means making money.
Give us the tools to create, thats what you do well. Don't step on all the smaller businesses out there by undercutting our bottom line.
So Bill Gates and CO are feeling the heat from the likes of GOOG. GOOG actually know what developers want, open API's and the like. M$ risks alienating what remains of the M$ developer community. Unless of course they intend on buying us all out!
There will always be Niche applications of technology, but if I'm forced to choose between BaseCamp, and M$ BaseCrap, the choice is going to be obivous. Just as developers are largely going to ignore Popfly, Office Live, Silverlight and whatever else they THINK we want.
range
· 2 years ago
I think that the whole office suite of MS is a bit weak. In a 2.0 version of the software, more should be done.
For example, I work with multiple .doc files. I'd like to do a replace all instances in all files in the My Documents folder, or something like that.
Word hasn't evolved much. The trouble is that there aren't any any real 2.0 word editiors out there.
Jim
· 2 years ago
This is a really great list. I use quite a few of 'em.
Zoho also has free web conferencing and a long list of other cool stuff.
Ralph Poole
· 2 years ago
Good list. There are a number of apps that I want to check out since most of work is done in my browser anyway. I switched from Outlook to GMail, Google Calendar, Google Reader, and iGoogle, I want to look at Google Calc. I like Google Notebook, for some note taking tasks. I need an integrated task manager which I wish Google would deliver.
I have started to use Flock as my primary browser. I do still use the Windows Live page because I like the presentation of news (it is incorporated into my home page as one of the tabs). For IM, I use meebo and jahah for telephone calls. I still, however, use Word, Powerpoint, Excel, Visio, and Project, which I like and will not change until a better alternative comes along. I use Adobe's CS3 suite which continue to be extradorinarily good. My blog platform is Movable Type 4.0, which I am displeased with; I wish I could change, but I am kinda locked in.
Karim
· 2 years ago
Well, let you work with designers in a new way like Concept Share does, for instance.
Well there's definitely room for improvement in collaboration. Perhaps my definition is too narrow, but I was thinking of Office "2.0" being some kind of improvement on Office "1.0" word processing, spreadsheets, presentation, email etc.
Concept Share specifically seems like it's just taking your Office 1.0 docs and making them more accessible. It's not replacing or superseding Office 1.0. Adobe and Microsoft would still be laughing all the way to the bank in this case...
Improve by not tying your content into Microsoft’s propreitary document formats.
Open Office XML is hardly proprietary.
Just freaking give us real Office 2007 online, none of this crappy half-hearted Web 2.0/Office 2.0/Windows Live junk.
I agree with the sentiment, but doubt it will happen unless you put a lot of code on the client (in which case what's the point of making it web-based?) or unless someone starts renting you Office 2007 via RemoteApp, which we won't see until Windows Server 2008 ships. (D'oh! Ok, maybe that's the top secret announcement...?)
I still think that is aiming too low. The goal for Gmail (and other "Office 2.0" apps) should not be to suck less than they do, or to achieve parity with Outlook, but to kick Outlook's butt and make me want to stop paying for "Office 1.0."
Looking at that list of Office 2.0 apps, I don't see anything that really threatens the Adobe/Microsoft "Office 1.0" hegemony... It just seems like a lot of wishful thinking. (Cue RMS singing John Lennon's Imagine.) I mean, the guy lists Amazon's S3 service as a "file server." Please.
Charlie B
· 2 years ago
To me the best online collaboration tool comes in the form of Project Management software from communiclique. It has really helped my office collaborate and its much more efficient than the other programs out there. Also , it has a VoIP feature which is a really nice aspect of the program.
Andy Powers
· 1 year ago
Charlie,
We would like to thank you for the continued use of our product for your projects. For those readers who are not familiar with CommuniClique, the software was designed to make project management and collaboration an easier process for all organizations. We are offering a thirty day free trial period to give new users a chance to test drive the software at http://www.communiclique.com. We are confident it will make your business work flow more efficient and organized.
Thank You, Andy Powers CEO CommuniClique
Roscoe
· 1 year ago
I'm surprised www.5pmweb.com is not included in the web2.o list. I guess because it's a new service. Though a very strong one already.
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Even worse: Most of the applications do not work for me due to missing localisation. Default example for spreadsheets? My numpad has a , and no . - because 1,000 is one to me.
Plus with an offline app, I at least can fall back to something, as in my case to an Office 2003 instead of having to use this stupid new interface of Office 2007 (working surely great for normal users).
I guess it very much depends on your level of expertise and what you are doing with that (and where you are from).
I get it that most customers do not need what offline apps have to offer. And that is fine - for them.
Problem for me? If people stopp buying the offline app, and the online apps come not close to what the offline app does, then I loose the offline app. As people like myself are not buying as much as the ones using the online one. ;)
Improve how?
and which go beyond the standard Microsoft Excel/Word/Powerpoint apps that don’t let you easily collaborate with others.
"Go beyond" how?
See, if I was more productive with a web-based word processor, or a web-based spreadsheet or presentation program, if they somehow had more features or allowed me to do a bunch of cool things I couldn't do with Word or Excel or Powerpoint or Outlook 2007, this statement would make more sense to me.
So far it seems like Office 2.0 is still trying to achieve feature & performance parity with "Office 1.0." It is definitely getting better, but right now "Office 2.0" feels more like "Office 0.5" ;)
By the way, on Monday morning Microsoft will announce something pretty cool in this area
Looking forward to hearing about it. I'm hoping it has more to do with collaboration (Sharepoint, Groove... SkyDrive integration in Windows Explorer, anyone?) or free web-based project management (Microsoft Basecamp?) and not so much, say, colored labels in Hotmail. :)
Go beyond? Um, you just explained in your next part of your comment how these things go beyond: collaboration.
Improve by not tying your content into Microsoft's propreitary document formats. Last time I checked Office was $500 and that's a lot of money to spend on top of computer hardware for basic typewriter functionality.
Everything seems to get cheaper in the computer industry except for Microsoft products which seem to get worse and more expensive with each iteration.
Give us the tools to create, thats what you do well. Don't step on all the smaller businesses out there by undercutting our bottom line.
So Bill Gates and CO are feeling the heat from the likes of GOOG. GOOG actually know what developers want, open API's and the like. M$ risks alienating what remains of the M$ developer community. Unless of course they intend on buying us all out!
There will always be Niche applications of technology, but if I'm forced to choose between BaseCamp, and M$ BaseCrap, the choice is going to be obivous. Just as developers are largely going to ignore Popfly, Office Live, Silverlight and whatever else they THINK we want.
For example, I work with multiple .doc files. I'd like to do a replace all instances in all files in the My Documents folder, or something like that.
Word hasn't evolved much. The trouble is that there aren't any any real 2.0 word editiors out there.
On the wiki topic, I've been using Zoho wiki. It's very clean and easy to use. http://wiki.zoho.com/jsp/wikilogin.jsp?serviceu...
Zoho also has free web conferencing and a long list of other cool stuff.
I have started to use Flock as my primary browser. I do still use the Windows Live page because I like the presentation of news (it is incorporated into my home page as one of the tabs). For IM, I use meebo and jahah for telephone calls. I still, however, use Word, Powerpoint, Excel, Visio, and Project, which I like and will not change until a better alternative comes along. I use Adobe's CS3 suite which continue to be extradorinarily good. My blog platform is Movable Type 4.0, which I am displeased with; I wish I could change, but I am kinda locked in.
Well there's definitely room for improvement in collaboration. Perhaps my definition is too narrow, but I was thinking of Office "2.0" being some kind of improvement on Office "1.0" word processing, spreadsheets, presentation, email etc.
Concept Share specifically seems like it's just taking your Office 1.0 docs and making them more accessible. It's not replacing or superseding Office 1.0. Adobe and Microsoft would still be laughing all the way to the bank in this case...
Improve by not tying your content into Microsoft’s propreitary document formats.
Open Office XML is hardly proprietary.
Just freaking give us real Office 2007 online, none of this crappy half-hearted Web 2.0/Office 2.0/Windows Live junk.
I agree with the sentiment, but doubt it will happen unless you put a lot of code on the client (in which case what's the point of making it web-based?) or unless someone starts renting you Office 2007 via RemoteApp, which we won't see until Windows Server 2008 ships. (D'oh! Ok, maybe that's the top secret announcement...?)
I still think that is aiming too low. The goal for Gmail (and other "Office 2.0" apps) should not be to suck less than they do, or to achieve parity with Outlook, but to kick Outlook's butt and make me want to stop paying for "Office 1.0."
Looking at that list of Office 2.0 apps, I don't see anything that really threatens the Adobe/Microsoft "Office 1.0" hegemony... It just seems like a lot of wishful thinking. (Cue RMS singing John Lennon's Imagine.) I mean, the guy lists Amazon's S3 service as a "file server." Please.
It has really helped my office collaborate and its much more efficient than the other programs out there. Also , it has a VoIP feature which is a really nice aspect of the program.
We would like to thank you for the continued use of our product for your projects. For those readers who are not familiar with CommuniClique, the software was designed to make project management and collaboration an easier process for all organizations. We are offering a thirty day free trial period to give new users a chance to test drive the software at http://www.communiclique.com. We are confident it will make your business work flow more efficient and organized.
Thank You,
Andy Powers
CEO CommuniClique