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Re: Google Wave’s unproductive email metaphors

hanum — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 03:21:09 -0000

hahaha.. i didn't get it at all. It's ok. Thank's for info sharing ^_^

Re: Google Wave’s unproductive email metaphors

Mario — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:16:41 -0000

Well Robert, I think you are maybe too much involved into Twitter et al. to see the beauty of Wave: It's designed for collaboration, not conversation as Daniel Tenner explained it much better than I ever could: http://danieltenner.com/pos...

Re: Google Wave’s unproductive email metaphors

Steve Yakoban — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:09:05 -0000

I'm glad that you're not drinking the Google Kool-Aid, but it is an early release and I would expect that by the time they get to say a version 2, it will be vstly improved.

Re: Google Wave’s unproductive email metaphors

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Re: Google Wave’s unproductive email metaphors

John Coonen — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:28:05 -0000

OK, NOW you've got a point, Robert.

Google needed some way to hang a definition of Wave on a particular application, and e-mail was the culprit. I don't see how else Google could've explained it and launched it to the open source community, but there are probably some brilliant campaign message strategists out there who could make a recommendation or two.

It may be productive if the GoogleWave folks (and you, and the community) would shift from comparing fully mature, ripe Apples to just-planted Orange seeds.

While the Wave team's original goal was to create a better email solution, what they discovered was a concept with what they sensed has for more potential. So, rather than invest too much of their own time trying to find a nail for their hammer, they opted to open it up for the community and let Developers create their own Wave-based apps.

The challenge is, when one opens up code (and concepts) to the OS Community, one never knows where it'll go. That's a bad thing for those in the message-massaging business, for fear of the message getting out of control and taking on a life of its own. That's good news for the OS Community, that can't help but drool over getting their mitts on a past-proven genius-level team's code.

I commend Google for tossing a gem out to the Open Source Community to see what they can dream up. Let's face it, most companies wouldn't take that risk; and the ones that do often toss out their clunkers.

My sense is, GoogleWave's not a clunker. That said, if it were 100% guaranteed to succeed, it wouldn't be so damn interesting to so many. ;)

Definition of Hype:

1. obvious and intentional exaggeration.
2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”

So, "over-hype" is by definition, "hype." GoogleWave will remain in "hype" mode until it has a practical application or two (or ten).

I'd like to think we could give it some time, and provide the 3PDs out there with some ideas and feedback on what we think GW could be good for. I'd hate to see this new way of thinking die on the vine before it even bears fruit.

- John Coonen
Co-Host, CMS Expo Learning Conference

Re: Google Wave’s unproductive email metaphors

$387201 — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:20:18 -0000

You might be right at some points, as well as you might be wrong with other points, but I think is too early to make conclusions about something all new like Google Wave. I would wait 5 years to make a post like this. Many new tools will come up with Google Wave, is a tool to build many more tools. So now it depends on the programming community and our demand and imagination to make Wave what we want it to be.

Re: Google Wave’s unproductive email metaphors

rblevin — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:21:23 -0000

I don't "get" Google Wave. Have tried to use it, not seeing the benefit. But then again, I didn't "get" blogging initially, either. Some things have to grow on us. Not sure if Wave will grow or go away, but as it stands now, I'm not feeling the love.

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vitalscam — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:31:55 -0000

For me at least, I view the current implementation of Wave to be a random guess from Google. The ability to have text be asynchronous in real time is the innovation that I see. Im holding off from decisions, until developers get some time to play with it.

Re: Google Wave’s unproductive email metaphors

Jakes — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:09:11 -0000

What I dont like with de emails is 'It cannot be withdrawn once it is sent'.

Re: Google Wave’s unproductive email metaphors

tille — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:40:58 -0000

When was Google Wave ever promoted as a "social network"? It's not Facebook. It's not Twitter. It never was.

What it is, is a really cool protocol for collaboration and app development. I really don't know why Google bothered inviting more users, rather than pulling from the developer signup form. Until a ton of cool stuff is developed, lots of users really aren't going to get it, and then they write unimaginative, whiny nonsense like this post.

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Niall Harbison — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:29:00 -0000

I notice you mentioning that Skype is a good option but TBH any time I get involved with it doing work it ends up being nearly worse than an email. I still find that even though people can be a real pain in the ass to talk to the phone is an incredibly useful and efficient way of communicating :)

Re: Google Wave’s unproductive email metaphors

adamscott — Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:31:52 -0000

I think it has it's own purpose.

Re: Google Wave’s unproductive email metaphors

mattrs — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 17:43:39 -0000

There's one more complaint: How will I use Wave with my family, some of whom -- like my parents -- have just figured out email? They will never be able to use Wave!!

Re: Google Wave’s unproductive email metaphors

craiglist — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 09:00:48 -0000

well i got mine from http://clipsbar.com/waveinvite

Re: Google Wave’s unproductive email metaphors

Daniel Graversen — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 06:52:27 -0000

But then everyone need to know all the different tools, and find the tool which is relavant for the content. It means that there should run a lot of different applications.

I have tried to write about how I see wave for productivity at http://www.masteringwave.co....

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BNS — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 02:26:58 -0000

Thanks.
Looks like something great in making!

Re: Google Wave’s unproductive email metaphors

David — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:36:36 -0000

Don't you find it kind of ironic that you're complaining about Google Wave's productivity problems while maintaining your usual blitz of stream of consciousness type messages on Twitter and other websites? The same kind of complaints could be made about those websites. Here's my point by point rebuttal to your rant:

1. If you're not using it, use the amazing "Minimize" feature. That's why you can minimize the inbox and other waves. If you don't need to be looking at it while you're working, then don't. How hard is that?

2. Social networking is hardly related to productivity. There actually is group functionality in Wave, but it's currently in its infancy, so expect to see more on that over the coming weeks.

3. When everyone is removed from the wave, it goes into the trash by itself. Again, this is a problem how?

4. BCC was never a desirable feature in email. It simply forwards an email that you've already sent to others.

5. There's no integration with Google Docs in traditional email, either. That doesn't take away from Wave. Just be patient.

6. You've totally lost me here. First you're complaining about being able to see everyone update instantaneously down to their very keystrokes, now you're saying it's too slow? Huh?

7. There are already websites that do this. Why would we want a centralized "store" controlled by one company like iTunes? Shouldn't we be moving away from this model?

8. Notice the Spam button in your Inbox? Maybe you should have actually researched this instead of Twittering about your Twitter clients.

9. Waves are only open to other Wave users because Wave is in a private beta. Wait a couple of months and this will be a nonissue.

Regardless, I've found that whether a service can be used for productive work depends more on how it is used, than how it is designed. In that sense, I think email is one of the least productive tools ever designed, but it serves well as a communication medium. Notice how I replied to this three day after it was written? Learn to turn some things off and focus on your work now and then.

Old habits are hard to break. I'm sure ten years from now, email will still be used for forwarding chain letters and Scoble will still be trolling the Internet for Microsoft. Some of us will have moved on, but other things just never change.

Re: Google Wave’s unproductive email metaphors

Masey — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 14:38:45 -0000

Is there anyone out there testing Google Wave right now who has already given Zenbe's "Shareflow" a go?

http://www.zenbe.com/shareflow

If there is, do you mind sharing your thoughts on wich service you think does the better job of the collaborative experience?

Re: Google Wave’s unproductive email metaphors

disqusbeta — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 07:03:34 -0000

wave deserves another review, let's wait for another release

Re: Google Wave’s unproductive email metaphors

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annarose — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:58:28 -0000

Last night I posted a public Wave seeking other women using it, nothing feminist just have no girls on my contacts list yet and was wondering what the gender ratios are - given social media is predominately female based (and possibly to it's determent).

Almost as soon as I posted the blip it was hijacked, my original post and comments following it were deleted. The Wave is now titled "Wave's sexiest ladies" and is just filled with spam.

It's sad that even with such limited access it's becoming degrading.

Watch the replay here: https://wave.google.com/wav...

Re: Google Wave’s unproductive email metaphors

Google-Street-View — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:34:49 -0000

You can still get a Google Wave account here:

http://freegooglewaveinvite...

That is, if you're willing to pay 57 bucks!

Re: Google Wave’s unproductive email metaphors

Joshanderson — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 09:32:08 -0000

I recommend trying http://www.showdocument.com
free online web-based app for online collaboration.

Re: Google Wave’s unproductive email metaphors

Jim Gaudet — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 08:52:32 -0000

I haven't had time to test my Wave account, but I think I will this week. Going to check out SocialWok too.

Re: Google Wave’s unproductive email metaphors

Alex — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 06:51:54 -0000

You'd be surprised how few clients for email there was in first decade it was invented. I bet in a year there will be a ton of Wave clients.