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Re: Google domains going after Outlook? MSN did that months ago…

PhilipND — Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:33:48 -0000

It is just the fact that Microsoft is a bully and happens to release flawed products - where as Google seams to be on the forefront of cool ideas. That's why Google and Mac are starting to have a good relationship. Speaking of Mac - love the new ad about Window's Vista!

Re: Google domains going after Outlook? MSN did that months ago…

NineThreeNine — Sun, 06 Aug 2006 11:00:38 -0000

I guess Microsoft just don't get in the press unless it's about a new OS/Office; whereas Google seem to be everybody's favorite company right now.

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Brian — Tue, 30 May 2006 15:19:44 -0000

When I go to the grocery store, Safeway becomes my employee when I place my bottle of jack on the conveyor belt, or right as the attendant takes my food stamps? Please clarify, because I am totally confused as to the exact moment Safeway becomes my employee. I need to know, it's been holding up my tax filings this year. :(

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Re: Google domains going after Outlook? MSN did that months ago…

CetaMac — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:26:39 -0000

It is not important for which come out first, the point is who is known by others.

Re: Google domains going after Outlook? MSN did that months ago…

chrismeller — Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:16:01 -0000

One word man, ugly advertisements (ok, that's two)... If I were going to have to suffer through a third-party email app, I'd much rather use GMail with its unobtrusive text ads than I would Hotmail with its god awful large and extremely risque adult dating and personals ads.

Maybe you should have a chat with the guys over at MSN and see what they can do to eliminate some of that crap. I know my boss wouldn't care if he walked by and saw me looking at GMail, but if he walked by and saw a half naked chick, he'd be a tad less understanding (even if it were just an ad in my webmail). You do the math...

Re: Google domains going after Outlook? MSN did that months ago…

Liz Strauss — Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:42:32 -0000

It could be as simple as talking about Google and linking the Google Blog brings traffic. Talking about Microsoft doesn't have nearly the same effect.

Re: Google domains going after Outlook? MSN did that months ago…

scobleizer — Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:57:41 -0000

print: I use Outlook, Hotmail, and Gmail. I like Outlook the best -- by far.

>Your employment sidebar should add Lenova, OQO, Nokia, Motion and bunch of others then. Are you in on the Edgeio deal too?

Um, the machines and stuff from Lenova, OQO, Nokia, and Motion are loaners.

I am not getting a dime from Edgeio.

Re: Google domains going after Outlook? MSN did that months ago…

print — Mon, 13 Feb 2006 04:26:28 -0000

In the above story you talk about accuracy in reporting (on slashdot of all places!!) - yet you divest the value of this google story in one fell swoop with some rather quaint language.

Google are giving a server based email solution that would make desktop outlook obsolete. Web outlook sucks (oh I dare you to argue otherwise!)

I think that warrants a rather impressive step back. From all the progress we have made we fail to realise, this will become the first real web application that will usurp a desktop one.

By that I mean we have all been using webmail, but the desktop component that remained in business email and domain based email that companies use can now be thrown out.

I expect huge numbers going for this integration because most webmail sucks, for what is a trivial application. (the 7 or 8 I have used).

Do you use outlook?

Re: Google domains going after Outlook? MSN did that months ago…

Jeff Carr — Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:47:51 -0000

The essential point, as I see it, is not a literal definition of what makes one an employee. It's an understanding that the possibility for cross-bias exists among AdSense users. Scoble's critics seem to be ignoring that very simple fact in favor of Nick Carr's ad hominem (Scoble is "Microsoft's kept blogger")and Paul Kedrosky's empty lauding of G-mail over Outlook for businesses. Not very impressive analysis, Paul.

Re: Google domains going after Outlook? MSN did that months ago…

FHER — Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:59:25 -0000

Microsoft suck!!!

Google is the best of the web....

Re: Google domains going after Outlook? MSN did that months ago…

Vinit — Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:18:04 -0000

Technically, if a blogger gets paid for an AdSense ad, put on his site by Google, but the "ad" itself is for a different company (say, for a book, such as Naked Conversations) then for those clicks, he is being paid by Authors or Publishers of that book. Google is just a commission agent and middle-man.

:-)

Re: Google domains going after Outlook? MSN did that months ago…

Lincoln — Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:35:28 -0000

Scoble:

I'm happy for you to complain about Google getting the credit, but next time BillG stands up and tells us all how in the next version of 'whatever' we're going to get this uber-new cool functionality that has actually existed in other systems for years, then by God I hope you complain about that too!

I'm so sick of reading these stories about MS adding stuff that has existed in Mac OS / Linux / UNIX for years and then telling us how innovative MS is!

Re: Google domains going after Outlook? MSN did that months ago…

Beer28 — Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:26:51 -0000

http://www.horde.org/
http://www.squirrelmail.org/

Cpanel, ensim and plesk all use these for webmail for pop accounts for customer domain accounts for webhosting.

As for checking pop accounts on a webmail interface and not offering a public or private email service, free open source has beat microsoft AND google for YEARS now. YEARS .... YEEEAAAAARRRRRSSS.....

Why not talk about them, huh press?

Oh, there's no money in, it, you PILFERING GRABASSES!!!

Re: Google domains going after Outlook? MSN did that months ago…

Rob — Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:28:16 -0000

There is NO way Gmail is better than Windows Live Mail Beta, despite MSN's offering being limited to IE. I keep one IE window open for mail and SeaMonkey open for everything else.
I will say, however, that I thought IE7 was a dog despite it's beta status. The interface looks even worse than SeaMonkey or Firefox, and they look like worn out burros comapred to say, Opera or Safari.

Re: Google domains going after Outlook? MSN did that months ago…

Tom Mandel — Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:42:35 -0000

... and now a comment on the *important* stuff in this debate. You see, Scoble is *cool* but he works for an *uncool* company. This creates a huge psychic headache that can only be resolved by him making Microsoft cool. Do that, Robert! It's a hard task, sure. But you're up to it!

Re: Google domains going after Outlook? MSN did that months ago…

Tom Mandel — Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:40:03 -0000

Just took a look at live domains, and it is a valuable and free service that is available now. I'm going to move some domains to it and test. Note that it seems much more oriented to any end-user than Google's service. Obviously, Msft's "live" experiments - start.com etc. are very worth watching. But, comments that gmail is simply better web-based mail than hotmail are also correct, and Google's juice for this comes from that fact. People see gmail as a platform that at least partly belongs to them (viz. all the mash-ups), whereas they don't see Microsoft stuff in this way. Yet?

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Wyclif — Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:52:41 -0000

Microsoft is not sexy, and has not been for some time now. This explains a lot.

Re: Google domains going after Outlook? MSN did that months ago…

Jake — Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:28:32 -0000

Your employment sidebar should add Lenova, OQO, Nokia, Motion and bunch of others then. Are you in on the Edgeio deal too? I think you denied FON, but maybe that should be "not yet FON." Forget to add Amazon.

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-tom — Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:17:31 -0000

Scoble - the reason I raised heck about it was precisly because it was Google doing it. Anyone else I wouldn't have a problem with. We all know it isn't new tech, MS have been doing it, Yahoo have been doing it etc.

I talk about it because it worries me more than if, say, Microsoft relaunched it tomorrow. In part this is because I see MS as much more open than I did 2 years ago, and much more so than Google. (blogging has certainly helped this lots!) Google's aquisition of people's data continue unabated and this worries me. That's why I raised it.

Re: Google domains going after Outlook? MSN did that months ago…

Hasan — Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:22:48 -0000

Have a bit of shame “Google love runs blind” bloggers. Ad sense effect I guess.

Google should be sued for its new google desktop.

Re: Google domains going after Outlook? MSN did that months ago…

Christopher Coulter — Sun, 12 Feb 2006 04:50:07 -0000

retrograde motion on the clue scale

Great point. But I wouldn't assume there was ever a forward motion, just whomever pays the bills, and whomever can provide the limelight blog happy party life is where his flag will fly.

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anon — Sun, 12 Feb 2006 04:37:39 -0000

Thoughts on Google vs. your privacy:

http://searchscandals.blogs...

Re: Google domains going after Outlook? MSN did that months ago…

Beer28 — Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:01:52 -0000

People are so lame. Why do they settle on using hosted services that are totally generic????

Would I use some lamo 3rd tier generic service?

HELL FUCKING NO.

Yeah, the website I VISIT knows how to add a large service like email by pressing a button. They must be really trustworthy.

If you use a custom webmail system like phpmail, or socketmail or whatever where you can get the source code and customize it to be unique and work with your own server's sendmail, and pop/imap MTA's, you're keeping the database, which should rightfully be on your server, since they're using your website, and you're showing visitors that you're financed enough and professional enough to have a unique service and handle mail exchange for users.

People can tell when you take the no brainer route and alot of people don't like it.

They don't trust it. It's like trusting a website on geocities with money for pop ad software or some other internet commodity.

Re: Google domains going after Outlook? MSN did that months ago…

Ned — Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:07:39 -0000

So, the reason why people didn't write Microsoft was releasing an Outlook killer is because you aren't. The interface is plain, vanilla hotmail, and I think most people would be very dubious of the idea that Microsoft would actually let this cannibalize Exchange sales if it posed a real threat.

By contrast, Google is offering the Gmail interface, which continues to innovate. In fact, it continued to innovate this week, with this Gmail Chat thing, which is pretty darn slick.

Now, you could argue that Kahuna or whatever will be better than Gmail's interface, and maybe you're right, but have to realize that most people probably want Google to win. They may not be perfectly happy with Google, but to the average technologically literate user, Microsoft is literally "The tyranny of evil men".

Consider:

- You're a convicted monopolist, AND the same people who got you convicted for being a monopolist are still in charge!
- You indulge in coercive software development (e.g., "Want Halo 2? Then you have to buy Vista!"
- You've spent years improving the Windows security model -- but Vista has already had major security patches, and it's not even out yet!
- You heedlessly rushed into China, and indulged in crazy, not-even-required-the-government filtering, and then censored one dude's blog the whole world over. Not that you're as bad as Yahoo (to my knowledge, nobody has been sent to jail as a result of your business in China), but when I couldn't even make a blog with the word 'democracy' in the title, it looked *really* bad, and played to all our paranoid fantasies.
- Your CEO is an ogre who sweats too much
- Your OS and products are consistently buggy and half-assed.
- You whine when you products don't get coverage, and then level unfounded charges of bias against them. This makes you look like a confused medley of bully and whiny 7 year old.

I generally like your blog, Scoble, and I generally think that Microsoft is taking some good steps forward. However, your comments in this post indicate retrograde motion on the clue scale, and in particular you need to acknowledge that most people have plenty of legitimate reasons to not heap glowing praise on new Microsoft products.