Scobleizer - Latest Comments in Google and Technorati blog search rewards sploggers

Re: Google and Technorati blog search rewards sploggers

memyselfandi — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:01:23 -0000

"That attitude will get me to switch to your competitors"

this is damn funny ..how would that help you and why
would google care if your small blog is in their index or not? thinking of that google takes like 70-80% of the searchengine market, good luck going to competitors..

Re: Google and Technorati blog search rewards sploggers

shawnblog — Sat, 16 Dec 2006 01:39:13 -0000

Didn't Google also just finish dancing? Does that make a difference on the Google side of this irksome search results issue? I just wish shaunblog.com would not come up on Google at #2 in a search for Shawn Honnick!

Re: Google and Technorati blog search rewards sploggers

David Dalka — Fri, 15 Dec 2006 03:42:53 -0000

Mr. David Sifry,

Can you point to a full explanation of "pinging set up correctly?"

Thanks.

Re: Google and Technorati blog search rewards sploggers

Robert Scoble — Fri, 15 Dec 2006 02:55:22 -0000

David: I don't know. I'll check into it. Thank you so much for removing Naik!

Re: Google and Technorati blog search rewards sploggers

David Sifry — Fri, 15 Dec 2006 01:37:27 -0000

By the way, are you sure that you have pinging set up correctly Robert? We aren't seeing any pings from you via scobleizer.com or via scobleizer.wordpress.com...

Dave

Re: Google and Technorati blog search rewards sploggers

David Sifry — Fri, 15 Dec 2006 00:36:30 -0000

That site should now be gone from your future results. This is constant battle between freshness and relevance, something that we're working on on a daily basis. Thanks for the report.

Dave

Re: Google and Technorati blog search rewards sploggers

Robert Scoble — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:51:28 -0000

Thanks Matt! I owe you a nice steak dinner.

Re: Google and Technorati blog search rewards sploggers

Douglas Karr — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:03:25 -0000

I wrote about this back in September... and even got to chat with someone (wish I could remember who) from Technorati. They could easily tie in to one of the Spog reporting sites:

http://www.douglaskarr.com/...

Perhaps Technorati should only rank sites based on connections from other 'claimed' blogs on Technorati.

Doug

Re: Google and Technorati blog search rewards sploggers

Ben Griffiths — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:57:04 -0000

I've been pushing the word 'sprophylactic' to describe the kind of measures that search engines could take: http://www.reevoo.com/blogs...

Re: Google and Technorati blog search rewards sploggers

Matt Cutts — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:13:14 -0000

Passed this on one to the blogsearch folks.

Re: Google and Technorati blog search rewards sploggers

Marie Germain — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:03:54 -0000

Hey Robert: I caught one guy using the wordpress platform splogging my posts and collecting adsense dollars(one disugsting splog was about the recent death of my mother). I joined the forum at WP about the same splogger; their techs say there is really nothing they can do when someone uses their platform--but certainly they could make an agreement with WP users! WP don't like it either--read the vitriol. The WP forum on this is fervent. WP suggested to go after their hosts and stated that Google does not give a c**p! A string of code that catches sploggers would be smart. Hello Google PhDs! It's copyright infringement at its best and disgusting when the splogger is collecting ad revenue from venerable web behemoths like Google AdSense for it. Google is effectively geting revenue for stolen content; it must police those who sign-up at AdSense better and bind them up front. Then if they break the copyright law they can pull their advertising agreement. That should kill sploggers' motivation. WP also suggest victims pursue the advertisers. That'll get Google's attention!

Re: Google and Technorati blog search rewards sploggers

Laura Brown — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:05:27 -0000

I write a blog for LockerGnome and this happens quite a bit to me, even with a fairly new blog there. It is annoying, not about being copied so much as giving them revenue or whatever it is anyone thinks they get from Adsense. I've been reading that sites which are splogs and have no real content other than Adsense will be banned from some web directories. I think this is great. They should be banned, they offer no original content.

Re: Google and Technorati blog search rewards sploggers

Robert Scoble — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:57:11 -0000

Interesting that a lot of you don't understand the difference between Google's main search engine (at google.com) which uses PageRank and Google's blog search engine (at blogsearch.google.com) which does NOT use Pagerank. Blogsearch is about speed. Web search is about relevancy.

The thing is that it's weird that blog search engines see a copier before they see the original.

Anyway, I really don't care to chase people like Naik all over the Internet. I'm sure he'll see my comment here if he cares about his reputation.

Re: Google and Technorati blog search rewards sploggers

John Dowdell — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:45:23 -0000

The problem isn't the different search engines, so much as the advertising revenue which usually propels the creation of such sites. Search phrase "google must shape up" provides more info:
http://www.google.com/searc...

This Naik's site doesn't get direct ad revenue, but instead uses a blogroll to boost the pagerank of a chain of auto websites. ("Blogroll" was a technique used by early A-listers to boost the traffic of friends, regardless of any currently useful content they might offer -- it would have been good if spiders had filtered out such manipulations instead of rewarding them.)

Removing the bad incentives seems a surer cure than patching the various search engines to handle each new hack as it arises.

There's another problem in this Naik's case: the hotlinking of images back to the source site. Why should Gizmodo pay this guy's bandwidth costs? (For the record, Niall Kennedy made me laugh out loud last week.)

Re: Google and Technorati blog search rewards sploggers

disenchantedtech — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:12:21 -0000

@Ross
google reader doesn't ping other services with the RSS content though. Just as well really or you'd get some pretty nasty recursion. :).
Pinging update services with an exact copy of an existing post is pretty pointless, it's just duplication.

Re: Google and Technorati blog search rewards sploggers

Philip — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 09:34:29 -0000

I know how you feel, but we live in a Web 2.0 world now and most content on the Internet is stolen. Most technology blogs are just Digg copied content reproducers.

Re: Google and Technorati blog search rewards sploggers

Ross — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:45:48 -0000

One way to look at this is that his site is no different than google reader.

Or your own link blog via google reader.

Re: Google and Technorati blog search rewards sploggers

farlane — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:12:04 -0000

I have been wondering when people will realize that Google's ranking system leaves much to be desired.

For example, try a search for "Michigan" or "Michigan news". Now tell me that the site at AbsoluteMichigan.com doesn't match either of those searches a whole lot better than 7 different University of Michigan departments or the defunct for 1 year Michigan Indymedia Collective.

Don't get me wrong, Google is still very good. It is (however) subject to being gamed by sploggers and favors old sites over newer sites.

Re: Google and Technorati blog search rewards sploggers

Brian — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:11:48 -0000

"I keep hearing that the engineers at Google are bored with blogs and RSS and stuff like that and would rather work on video compression systems or something “sexy.” "

I hope this isn't true, because I think this is what has lead to most of Microsoft's problems.

Re: Google and Technorati blog search rewards sploggers

gwhiz — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 07:59:43 -0000

What Would Niall Kennedy do? :)

In all seriousness though... Have you phoned him or contacted him in some way (He's studying in Orlando according to his own profile page)? I'm sure you've rec'd (or know someone who has rec'd) a cease and desist. Serve him with one of those if you're feeling particularly strong about this to defend your material. (The bad precedent you might be setting is a lack of defending your copyright. Maybe you've already done all this and court's not particularly high on your to do list. Dunno?).

Looks like he's grubbing a lot of other content too from Engadget, etc. What's the temperature of the other sources he's pilching from? This topic might make a good future post to flesh out some issues around.

Re: Google and Technorati blog search rewards sploggers

Tony M. — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 07:47:12 -0000

Robert,

Hope you will be able to make it out to Demo at the end of January. We launch Iwerx and Sentinel there. Sentinel would monitor your content and pin-point the sploggers for you.

Now, if we could get some weight with Technorati and Google to have them use our blacklist via API to prune their lists, life would be good.

Re: Google and Technorati blog search rewards sploggers

Russ Henry — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 07:41:33 -0000

Why not do an article on what is considered fair use for archiving, personal use, offline reading, etc etc. instead of pissing and moaning about someone copying content.

Better yet come up with a creative proactive solution to keep it from happening in the first place; then, only a creative hacker could grab your content.

Just a thought... with all those six figure phd'S running around. Put the creative juices to work on creative fix's.

Please read comment through a softening filter before responding.

Re: Google and Technorati blog search rewards sploggers

Michael Gannotti — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 07:31:58 -0000

I try not to just copy peoples content outright but to incude maybe a one or two sentence quate and a linke back to their post when referencing someone elses blog. Firgure should be sending the traffic their way.

Re: Google and Technorati blog search rewards sploggers

Priyan — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 05:54:09 -0000

It might be because Naik is pinging those services on every rss grab, thats why his content is listed on those services before yours is crawled.

Re: Google and Technorati blog search rewards sploggers

Abhishek Sharma — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 05:10:35 -0000

ooopsss, probably matt cutts and the guys have to tweak page rank with algorithms to take care of plagiarism...speaking of the next generation search engines, probably this is what we need...