Ah, the old vaudeville joke: "The food is terrible. And the portions are so small!"
Ulf Licht
· 2 years ago
Why isn't there an "export" facebook app? Is it possible to write something that reads all contact data from your contacts and writes it somewhere else?
Satish
· 2 years ago
***LOOKING FOR A FACEBOOK DEVELOPER***
I think those of us that were fortunate enough to have connected with Scoble and become "friends" with him on Facebook owe ourselves the recognition.
As such, I'm looking for a Facebook developer that can dedicate a couple hours to make a quick application that will put an icon on someone's profile stating they are part of the "Scoble 5000".
***If interested, leave your contact information here and we'll move forward!****
Emerson Seiti Takahashi
· 2 years ago
Haha, so you admited that you're using Facebook as a Rolodex...
If you're following Google and the next social networking, you should know that the current version of Orkut has a limit of 1000 "friends". I don't know if they are gonna upgrade this limit, so consider advised.
AS
· 2 years ago
Ok, Scoble... we get it! Facebook doesn't let you add more than 5000 contacts. How many more blog posts must be dedicated to this fact?
Mauricio
· 2 years ago
Hmm... Robert, you saying that Facebook sucks because it limits you to 5K contacts is like me saying that Aston Martins suck because I want one but can't afford it.
I don't even see why you'd want to have 5000 contacts or more anyway: if you added them to see what they're up to, you'll never have time to keep up; if you added them to let them know what you're up to, you might as well have your own website which will easily scale to millions if needed... Oh, you already do!
Jaap
· 2 years ago
I'm wondering how biased your view on FaceBook is because you're not your everyday user. Although I would agree that FB should be scalable (in an 'Uh, I guess' sort of way), is it really that much of a problem? I would suspect that it's not much of a deal to everyone save a few high profile bloggers who seem to have thousands of relationships to other individuals.
Jaap
· 2 years ago
That would be relationships *with*, sorry about that ;-)
Bill Austin
· 2 years ago
@Jaap
There are also some very low profile bloggers who have tens of thousands of relationships to other individuals.
I am still wondering why Gmail limits my contacts to 10,000 addresses.
Chefdean1964
· 4 months ago
For those whom this concerns: They put limits on the number of contacts you can have because of SPAMMERS who upload/dowbnload hundreds of thousands of email addresses for the purpose of harrassing people and bombarding innocent people with unwanted garbage emails about drugs that help them with growing their tiny shlongs, and online drug dealers, and a bazillion different bogus lottery winners from all over the world truying to scam millions of peopkle out of their hard earned money. For those people like yourself who have thousands of contacts, they sell software for a couple buxx that work with your FREE online email accounts, and you can save as many contacts as you want to in them. I feel your pain and understand your frustration, but there is a very simple solution to the issue and I hope that this will help you understand their situation a little more. I am a Facebook user, and they suspended my email account because they say I send topo many emails and get too many emails. 10-20 a day at the most. They send me more than that in an hour to my personal email address, I guess that makes them spammers too then. LOL Assholes.
Good Luck folks
Dean
Bill Austin
· 2 years ago
@Jaap
Actually, not understanding the difference between:
"relationships to ..."
and
"relationships with ..."
may be exactly why some people don't understand the problem of these limits on connectivity.
Steve
· 2 years ago
delete people you dont really know. Dont hype up facebook to everyone then 3 weeks later say it sucks. If you have 100-200 , 500 contacts, it works just fine.
Bill Austin
· 2 years ago
@Steve I only keep people who I have had a conversation (in person or online) within the last year or two in my Address Book.
10 second search found that, your Rolodex is free.
Tim
· 2 years ago
"I am still wondering why Gmail limits my contacts to 10,000 addresses."
Because having limits allows them to plan, and 10,000 is certainly a reasonable limit for contacts.
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
Tim: it's NOT a reasonable limit. I know businesses with hundreds of thousands of contacts. Chris Pirillo has that many too for his email newsletters.
Buzz Bruggeman has 12,000 in Outlook. Yet another example of how Google isn't ready for Enterprise users.
Kevin McCurley
· 2 years ago
There are a few of us out there who don't use facebook or any other closed social network, and object to our "friends" who give our email addresses to facebook. There are other people who prefer the other closed social networks such as Orkut, 360, myspace, friendster, linkedin, etc. Ihe list seems to expand every year in response to the whims of the online community, so why would you tie your rolodex to a technology that will probably be deprecated in a few years?
Jeff D
· 2 years ago
I noticed the other day that half of my newsfeed were ads for various apps that pulled names out of my friend's list to act like they'd done something that I should respond to.
Visions of Fonzie on waterskis came to mind...
therealmccrea
· 2 years ago
Dave really nailed it on this one. I recently wrote about the core notion here -- that social network "friends lists" are really address book 2.0 -- and that it is really important that we establish now that you own your address book, not Facebook or any other corporation! My post on the topic here: http://therealmccrea.wordpress.com/2007/10/04/f...
catena
· 2 years ago
Re: "you own your address book". You don't own the data, once you give it to Facebook to keep on their servers. Why this expectation that they shouldn't do what you agreed to in the terms of service? If you don't like it, then don't use Facebook to publish your information. But complaining that it doesn't work well, for uses they did not intend, won't get you any sympathy.
Re: "5000 isn't enough". The solution to this is real simple: unfriend the vast majority of "friends" with whom you have no relationship, keeping the ones you actually value. I would imagine every "celebrity" finds they have to do this. To everyone else, publish in a channel that was meant for the traffic.
danja
· 2 years ago
Brad's Thoughts on the Social Graph was about fixing this class of problem - you may remember deep and meaningful discussion on Techmeme about the use of the word "graph"...
You should be able to get your data out though - there's the Facebook Foaf Generator (you'll probably need to clean up the XML a little, it looks like it doesn't escape ampersands in content).
Patrick Dodds
· 2 years ago
I think the point here is that FB, by limiting contacts to 5k, is limiting the type of social networking tool / site it means to be. Probably a mistake on their part I'd have thought - the more freedom people are given the better they like things.
Jeff D
· 2 years ago
@Robert: Why is 10,000 contact on Gmail a limit? You mention businesses with hundreds of thousands of contacts as a reason why, but how many businesses use Gmail as their corporate email?
macbeach
· 2 years ago
Why would a co-author of "A Bill of Rights for Users of the Social Web" have to wait for Dave Winer to do a blog post to know that Facebook is a fairly closed system? (Not to mention a big waist of time for anyone who would rather communicate with their friends than "poke" them)?
Amy Blumenfield
· 2 years ago
The 5,000 friend limit may suck for you, but how many other people are bumping against that limit? If that's your primary reason for saying that Facebook sucks, then I think that you are not accurately reflecting the way most people are using Facebook. Granted, we may all want to have 5,000+ friends at some point in the future, but as of today, I don't think that's an issue for very many people. If it were, I think the folks there would be making it more of a priority to resolve. I've been a reader of your blog for a long time and I'm kinda tired of your harping on this one issue about Facebook as it is not (currently) a drawback for the vast majority of its users - mostly you.
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
Mac Beach: it's not the first time I've written about this issue. Thanks for reading.
Roger Benningfield
· 2 years ago
Robert: Facebook is intended for real people. "Robert Scoble" isn't a real person anymore... he's a public identity. Similarly, a business isn't a real person... it may be an entity for tax purposes, but it ain't a person.
For that sorta thing, you want MySpace. It happily embraces the notion of "people-as-marketing-tools", and as Tila Tequila can attest, you can have way, way more than 5,000 friends.
Laurel Papworth
· 2 years ago
@address book discussion - yes the API is there to pull your profile. I guess no one has done it because Facebook devs don't want you to leave Facebook?
I love the way people take a free personal service and say it doesn't scale to business/enterprise proportions. It's no more Facebook's fault for not monetising their community 'properly' than it is Scoble's fault for not monetising his database. And seriously, anyone who wants enterprise services (5000 plus) should pay enterprise rates for enterprise scaleability. ie. you get what you pay for, the new economy notwithstanding.
Diego
· 2 years ago
Do you ever disagree with Winer? :) I guess you don't want him on your bad side or he'll turn on you faster than Dr Jekyll.
Christopher Coulter
· 2 years ago
So Facebook is now not the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, as you had been preaching for the last few months? ;)
Your famed edge-case temper-tantrums not working? Wait til Ballmer gets a piece, then you can complain to Microsoft.
Tim
· 2 years ago
"it’s NOT a reasonable limit. I know businesses with hundreds of thousands of contacts. Chris Pirillo has that many too for his email newsletters."
Yes, it IS a reasonable limit. Who the hell needs to have all the people they send an email newsletter to in their address book? You generally have specialised software to send emails like that. Do people really administer lists like that using the GMail interface?
Let me put it another way:
Let X be the number of people who could use GMail. Let Y be the number of people who 'need' more than 10,000 people in their contacts list.
So the proportion of users this limit matters to is Z = Y/X.
I'm guessing Z tends to zero. Or, in fact, is zero for all intents and purposes.
You need to realise that "me, and a couple of other guys I know, and that's totally just off the top of my head!" is an edge case, and is unlikely to be addressed any time soon. It's why having 5000+ friends in Facebook isn't sensible either. It isn't what it is designed to do.
In other words, "reasonable limit" means "for the vast majority of people", not "good enough for ME".
Robin Capper
· 2 years ago
Can I say, told ya so?
Mind you I only have about 1500 contacts, not friends, in Outlook, so 5000 wouldn't be a problem. It's the "walled garden" aspect that ruled it out for me.
meechwings
· 2 years ago
@satish: Why not just create a Facebook group?
Benning Coates
· 2 years ago
@Robin Capper: totally agreed. That's the big kicker for me.
I'm also rapidly approaching the 5k limit (at 4384 now) and will soon find it as frustrating as Scoble.
Michael Cerda
· 2 years ago
the talk of fb being address book 2.0 is interesting - my company (Jangl) actually built an app inside fb called "Phonebook". Check it out, it provides you an at-a-glance view of all your friends, a phone number for them (a virtual one that is), and other call control settings. No comment on the 5K limit - I don't have that many "friends", for better or worse
Mark H. Delfs
· 2 years ago
THE GREAT AND POWERFUL DAVE WINER SPEAKS! The Tuesday Night Tech Show loves you Scoble!
quotes
· 2 years ago
>Chris Pirillo has that many too for his >email newsletters.
I used to have about 2 million people on my e-mail newsletter lists before Yahoo decided to turn them all over to that hacker in Poland.
Teresa Valdez Klein
· 2 years ago
@Satish: if you're serious about that Facebook developer thing, we'd be willing to take it on :-).
And @Scobleizer: what did you expect when you started friending everyone regardless of whether or not they're your real-life friend? That said, I agree that the 5,000 friend limit sucks. Would you pay for more capacity?
Matt Thompson
· 2 years ago
@Everyone who things that 5k FB friends and 10k Gmail contacts is unreasonable: Must I remind you that you are using a "free" (as in beer) service that you signed/clicked-yes-to an EULA with? If the product that you have not made any investment in is not good enough for you, get another! FB calls them "friends" for a reason, and I am pretty confident that you do not have 5000 actual friends. If you are only using FB/Gmail as a distribution list for newsletters, etc, and it's not good enough for you, purchase a specialized program that will manage that many contacts for you with no limit. Or, as mentioned above, just start a group and accomplish the same things. I'm sure you would have no problem getting all 5000 of your "friends" to join up.
alien
· 2 years ago
webswarms will never limit the number of Others you may be in contact with
Wesley Greg Onrot
· 2 years ago
I am a MySpace man, not a facebook fan.
Oldguy1
· 2 years ago
In addition to the problems cited by Winer and the others in these comments, Facebook is rather unfriendly to those of us who are older. I noted this when I went to look for friends in the college list and the dropdown graduation date menu only went back to 1970. Not much help to someone who graduated from college in 1963. Fortunately for us older types, saggingfacebook.com looks ready to fill the void.
roland k
· 2 years ago
i am proud to be counted in the number of Scoble friends on Facebook and agree with his comments. Scoble is REAL PEOPLE and speaks his mind rather than kissing up to the establishment. we are lucky to have him as a spokesman for those of us without a voice. thank you Scoble for keeping it real.
Dave
· 1 year ago
I can't imagine how many pokes and boring status updates 5000 friends gets you a day...
On this subject, here's a little animated clip of Dinosaurs explaining facebook:
All Comments
I think those of us that were fortunate enough to have connected with Scoble and become "friends" with him on Facebook owe ourselves the recognition.
As such, I'm looking for a Facebook developer that can dedicate a couple hours to make a quick application that will put an icon on someone's profile stating they are part of the "Scoble 5000".
***If interested, leave your contact information here and we'll move forward!****
If you're following Google and the next social networking, you should know that the current version of Orkut has a limit of 1000 "friends". I don't know if they are gonna upgrade this limit, so consider advised.
I don't even see why you'd want to have 5000 contacts or more anyway: if you added them to see what they're up to, you'll never have time to keep up; if you added them to let them know what you're up to, you might as well have your own website which will easily scale to millions if needed... Oh, you already do!
There are also some very low profile bloggers who have tens of thousands of relationships to other individuals.
I am still wondering why Gmail limits my contacts to 10,000 addresses.
They put limits on the number of contacts you can have because of SPAMMERS who upload/dowbnload hundreds of thousands of email addresses for the purpose of harrassing people and bombarding innocent people with unwanted garbage emails about drugs that help them with growing their tiny shlongs, and online drug dealers, and a bazillion different bogus lottery winners from all over the world truying to scam millions of peopkle out of their hard earned money.
For those people like yourself who have thousands of contacts, they sell software for a couple buxx that work with your FREE online email accounts, and you can save as many contacts as you want to in them.
I feel your pain and understand your frustration, but there is a very simple solution to the issue and I hope that this will help you understand their situation a little more.
I am a Facebook user, and they suspended my email account because they say I send topo many emails and get too many emails. 10-20 a day at the most. They send me more than that in an hour to my personal email address, I guess that makes them spammers too then. LOL Assholes.
Good Luck folks
Dean
Actually, not understanding the difference between:
"relationships to ..."
and
"relationships with ..."
may be exactly why some people don't understand the problem of these limits on connectivity.
I only keep people who I have had a conversation (in person or online) within the last year or two in my Address Book.
There are over 11,000 people in there.
10 second search found that, your Rolodex is free.
Because having limits allows them to plan, and 10,000 is certainly a reasonable limit for contacts.
Buzz Bruggeman has 12,000 in Outlook. Yet another example of how Google isn't ready for Enterprise users.
Visions of Fonzie on waterskis came to mind...
Re: "5000 isn't enough". The solution to this is real simple: unfriend the vast majority of "friends" with whom you have no relationship, keeping the ones you actually value. I would imagine every "celebrity" finds they have to do this. To everyone else, publish in a channel that was meant for the traffic.
You should be able to get your data out though - there's the Facebook Foaf Generator (you'll probably need to clean up the XML a little, it looks like it doesn't escape ampersands in content).
For that sorta thing, you want MySpace. It happily embraces the notion of "people-as-marketing-tools", and as Tila Tequila can attest, you can have way, way more than 5,000 friends.
I love the way people take a free personal service and say it doesn't scale to business/enterprise proportions. It's no more Facebook's fault for not monetising their community 'properly' than it is Scoble's fault for not monetising his database. And seriously, anyone who wants enterprise services (5000 plus) should pay enterprise rates for enterprise scaleability. ie. you get what you pay for, the new economy notwithstanding.
Your famed edge-case temper-tantrums not working? Wait til Ballmer gets a piece, then you can complain to Microsoft.
Yes, it IS a reasonable limit. Who the hell needs to have all the people they send an email newsletter to in their address book? You generally have specialised software to send emails like that. Do people really administer lists like that using the GMail interface?
Let me put it another way:
Let X be the number of people who could use GMail. Let Y be the number of people who 'need' more than 10,000 people in their contacts list.
So the proportion of users this limit matters to is Z = Y/X.
I'm guessing Z tends to zero. Or, in fact, is zero for all intents and purposes.
You need to realise that "me, and a couple of other guys I know, and that's totally just off the top of my head!" is an edge case, and is unlikely to be addressed any time soon. It's why having 5000+ friends in Facebook isn't sensible either. It isn't what it is designed to do.
In other words, "reasonable limit" means "for the vast majority of people", not "good enough for ME".
Mind you I only have about 1500 contacts, not friends, in Outlook, so 5000 wouldn't be a problem. It's the "walled garden" aspect that ruled it out for me.
Why not just create a Facebook group?
I'm also rapidly approaching the 5k limit (at 4384 now) and will soon find it as frustrating as Scoble.
>email newsletters.
I used to have about 2 million people on my e-mail newsletter lists before Yahoo decided to turn them all over to that hacker in Poland.
And @Scobleizer: what did you expect when you started friending everyone regardless of whether or not they're your real-life friend? That said, I agree that the 5,000 friend limit sucks. Would you pay for more capacity?
FB calls them "friends" for a reason, and I am pretty confident that you do not have 5000 actual friends. If you are only using FB/Gmail as a distribution list for newsletters, etc, and it's not good enough for you, purchase a specialized program that will manage that many contacts for you with no limit. Or, as mentioned above, just start a group and accomplish the same things. I'm sure you would have no problem getting all 5000 of your "friends" to join up.
On this subject, here's a little animated clip of Dinosaurs explaining facebook:
http://www.4mations.tv/clip.aspx?key=C936029765...
You'll probably enjoy it...