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Re: Dual booting Windows on new Macs…

John Maas — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:20:40 -0000

Apple is so innovative! I thought I was experiencing a melt down on my current pc, so I started talking to the folks at the Apple store. I can't quite afford to just throw down and buy a mac "just because," but as soon as it's time I'm gonna be more than willing! http://capatrex.org

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Lund — Tue, 19 Dec 2006 23:42:22 -0000

Great stuff. This will help me a lot with my upgrade.

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licciardi — Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:58:15 -0000

you`re spectacular. www.afhawaii.com

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Scott — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 16:49:42 -0000

My company stumbled on the same thing. However - just an FYI for others out there we did this.....

It seems that the PCMCIA disappearing is not the end of the world. We ended up talking with Sprint and not only figured out it was cheaper - but almost more convenient to have another phone. Sure, the purchase cost up front is more, but it is like 76 bucks a month versus 80 for the card. I keep the bluetooth phone in my backpack and it works great. Two good things, for one - I don't have to worry about snagging my PCMCIA card putting it into and removing it from my backpack. The other plus the PCMCIA card doesn't run and suck my battery die when I am on the train commuting!

Maybe not the best answer - but it got us around the one big issue with getting a MacBook. I am typing this now from one - and it so far it has been well worth the money. Makes the Mac, well, usable again. :-)

Scott
San Francisco

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John C. Welch — Sat, 04 Feb 2006 00:42:42 -0000

And only Robert would plunk down money based on something that hasn't happened with any reliability yet or in a way that's safe and predictable.

but he's not an edge case

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John C. Welch — Sat, 04 Feb 2006 00:41:45 -0000

Well, i don't have an Intel Mac yet, and when I see independent verification, I'll take it more seriously. I've had some shady dealings with that site before.

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Alfredo Octavio — Fri, 03 Feb 2006 08:44:11 -0000

John, this guys claim they can run a VM on an Intel iMac, Windows 98 boot time of 15 seconds. Do you think it is bogus? It is based on Bosch (which I have unsuccessfully tried to install on PowerPC Macs). I was thinking of buying it when I got my MacBook Pro if nothing else was available... Would be interested in knowing if you have experience of opinions about it... Thankx!

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Robert Accettura — Fri, 03 Feb 2006 07:48:45 -0000

IBM does one of both. 1 PCMCIA slot, 1 Express. At least on the T43.

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John C. Welch — Fri, 03 Feb 2006 07:20:00 -0000

Considering we can't yet run a VM on an intel mac, we don't REALLY know what the performance will be yet.

However, the chances of a VM fuxxoring my hard drive is MUCH less than a dual boot.

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KublaKhan — Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:30:36 -0000

Yeah, Games and Video encoding (note - not editing) are the reasons for me wanting to dual boot. Plus a plethora of programs that I really like. I bought a MacBook Pro anyway... hope I can dual boot for those CPU intensive tasks Windows has good programs in...
By the way, dual booting is alot less CPU intensive, hence preserving battery life. Need more reasons? I can think of a few more, but I have to get back to work...

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James Bailey — Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:07:59 -0000

I suspect that that desire for dual boot is because of games. If there is viable virtual machine support, then only games and maybe some need for a particular driver will require actually booting into Windows.

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John C. Welch — Thu, 02 Feb 2006 15:33:46 -0000

The other issues with dual boot are, if it's sufficiently fragile, you can't guarantee a reliable method from hardware to hardware. It has huge potential to hairball your drive, and again, as a Virtual Server user, it's simply smarter, easier and SAFER to go the VM route.

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Shawn Levasseur — Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:58:29 -0000

Okay, I may be swimming in over my (lack of) technical expertise here, but I have to agree with John on "dual boot". Why go through the trouble of trying to get Windows to recognize Mac hardware, when you can just create an environment where the MacOS relays the I/O to and from Windows.

I presume, to some degree, that this is what Virtual PC does.

All things considered, if I ever have to run Windows on a Mac, I'd rather trust MS to provide a means to do so rather than some hack. MS in the loop about the latest hardware for macs (or at least as much as any other major Apple developer is), and is for obvious reasons in an excellent place to be sure that Windows will work within this environment.

So, if you're interested in the new MacBook Pro for running Windows, Robert, go see the crew at the Mac B.U. and ask when they'll be ready to run VPC on Intel.

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John C. Welch — Wed, 01 Feb 2006 23:21:04 -0000

Dual booting? Bah. I want virtual machines. Dual booting lets me be half as productive in twice the operating environments. Virtual machines let me be MORE productive in n operating environments. Give me good VMs with near native - boot speed, and I'll write the check for the licenses now.

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KublaKhan — Wed, 01 Feb 2006 10:24:44 -0000

Aww, you beat me to it Alfredo! I just saw that too.

Too bad we still haven't found a way to dual boot on the intel macs...

If you want uptodate info on that stuff go to http://www.osx86project.org/ .

They have a couple people there messing around with it... apparently the newest Vista beta (from MSDN) can't even be recognized (only through USB can it even be seen). Maybe you could talk to the guys over at Microsoft who are working on EFI... that's the main problem - getting past it, or booting from it. The problem seems even bigger for us Windows XP users...

Like I said, check out the site.

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Alfredo Octavio — Wed, 01 Feb 2006 10:14:48 -0000

Robert, great news! You can buy the Macbook Pro now! Just use EV-DO with this USB dongle!
http://www.engadget.com/200...
I'm glad I could be of help and I am sure you'll get the MacBook Pro now!

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Mary Branscombe — Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:01:20 -0000

Try a Palm Treo 700w - it is EVDO and Windows Mobile and makes me wish we had EVDO here as we won't get 3G chips that will fit in something small with reasonable battery life until 2H 06.

Real-life figures from Palm on downloads.
GPRS 20k/sec
EDGE 60k/sec
EVDO 400-700K/sec

Apple can push the envelope like this because their market will accept it where the mass market won't/can't. Maybe it will get Express to everyone a little sooner. I saw 16 Express prototypes at IDF Fall last year, all promised for this year.

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Goebbels — Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:09:10 -0000

"there’s a difference between supporting it and forcing you to use it."

And there's a difference between NECESSARY and "just getting it yesterday." Probably a bigger one.

"I don’t think Apple is gonna do a Tablet."

Ha, ha, ha! A year and a half and $100 that you never paid too late. Pay up.

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John C. Welch — Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:50:15 -0000

Oh yeah, and every time you enjoy the plethora of USB toys out there, you should face Cupertino and thank Steve Jobs. Because what was it that drove USB adoption and use through the roof? It certainly wasn't MS or the PC companies. Windows 98? BWAAHAHAHAHAAHA...yeah, if you could find stuff besides the same tired demos. A mouse or two. a Keyboard. maybe a joystick.

Hell, as late as 2002-2003, when I'd be setting up new Dells at MIT, you couldn't do it without a PS/2 keyboard. You HAD to have one. So much for MS or the PC companies driving change.

It was the iMac. 90 days after its release, the USB market suddenly had over a million new customers clamoring for toys. Now if the PC makers would just get around to properly shooting PS/2 and serial ports, the last of the 286 - era motherboard remnants could go away.

Maybe in another 5 years. That's about how long it takes the PC manufacturers to really change.

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John C. Welch — Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:45:21 -0000

They won't do a "pure" tablet. But I can see, when the tech gets cheap enough, them building a laptop with a screen that would be supported by Ink. It's not like they don't have any experience with that. (Robert, remember that whole "Idea without good implementation will fail" thing? Yeah. The Newton. Great example.)

But Robert is not really an edge case. He doesn't live on the bleeding edge, he's not even particularly leading edge. Oh he'll run Vista betas, and use the new toys, but that's just being a tech fanboy. If he didn't work for MS, he wouldn't even be runnning Vista. That's just him being an evangelist more than a trailblazer. Part of his job is to show people tablets and their features, and to do that for Vista he has to run Vista. Any implications to the contrary are well-executed PR, (and this whole Gawrsh-shucks image he tries to project is really one of the best PR things i've ever seen).

He's at the front of the pack, but he's still well within the safety of numbers. He just has fewer dogs between him and a clear view.

Toys != Trailblazer

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scobleizer — Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:42:08 -0000

Bubba: I don't think Apple is gonna do a Tablet. I'd like to have a Mac since my son has one. But, I'll probably just get a small cheap one like what he got.

Lee: booting it is one thing. Supporting it well is another. I bet the iSight won't work. Neither will some of the mouse and other features. At least they won't until drivers get written for them.

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Lee Wilkins — Tue, 31 Jan 2006 03:25:10 -0000

Scoble - check out the competition being run at http://windowsXP.onmac.net - over $8,000 for the winner who cracks being able to boot windows on the macbook

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bubba — Tue, 31 Jan 2006 03:13:12 -0000

You know Bobby if you're serious about a buying a Mac, you can buy a 15" or 17" G4 PB that do have a PC card slot that will work with EVDO cards. Right now, today. Of course the MacBook isn't going to be out for another month or two and in that time not only will there likely be cards for the new slots (which will be the standard before next year) but also adapters for the new slot so you can use your old school cards.

Do you really expect us to believe you're going to buy a new Mac? I thought you were Mr Tablet Uber Alles?

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Christopher Coulter — Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:11:12 -0000

there’s a difference between supporting it and forcing you to use it.

No there is not, no difference at all. By supporting the NEW they are killing the OLD, as the company that does a dual-hybrid ain't thinking straight (actually no OEMs are going hybrid, that I know of).

Support = "force". But this is how tech evolves, people PICK a standard and rally around it, legacy dies, usually the big fight is over the stndard, that wasn't the case here. You can hold onto the old if you want, messing with COM ports over USB, but the future will leave you behind.

And ummm, all Intel Dual Cores will "force" you too. Or do you not want to be on that bleeding edge? It's an INDUSTRY-THING, the next big leap, the next new new thing. The focus should be on getting services on the new standard, not in holding onto legacy, breathe down Verizon and Cingular's necks. You are holding the wrong end of the stick. And blaming Apple for "forcing" is crazy, it's far far more Intel than Apple, indeed it's far more MICROSOFT than even Apple.

About now, you can fess up that you really had no idea what you were talking about with that post. It's ok, everyone makes mistakes.

Re: Dual booting Windows on new Macs…

Frank Mucklo — Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:40:35 -0000

Scoble has taken the job of the canary in the mineshaft at MS. It's his job to be a little skidish about new techs coming down the pike. Right now the smell of apple smoke is starting to choke him a bit and a cough or two is in order. Itel and AMD are starting the "core wars" while Jobs is setting the stage for a raid on MS customers.