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"streaming_realtime": true, "url": "scobleizer", "allow_anon_post": true, "reactions_enabled": true, "reply_position": 1, "show_avatar": true, "allow_anon_votes": false, "disqus_auth_disabled": false}, "realtime_enabled": true, "request": {"username": "", "is_global_moderator": false, "sharing": {}, "sort": 4, "forum": "scobleizer", "is_initial_load": true, "is_authenticated": false, "timestamp": "2009-12-17_02:59:10", "remote_domain": "", "page": 1, "is_moderator": false, "display_username": "", "points": null, "subscribe_on_post": 2, "moderator_can_edit": false, "is_remote": false, "is_verified": false, "missing_perm": "locked"}, "realtime_paused": false, "posts": {"9647830": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Josh is not my friend. He's just someone I know. Just to clear that up.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_15:18:11", "killed": false, "user_key": "3553f5e0db0fd1ec4e40a932a2d8f5b3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647831": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "It looks to me like this guy is trying to get legal precedence set for Bloggers, problem is, he\u2019s dead wrong in this case.  At least I hope that\u2019s what he is doing otherwise he\u2019s doing nothing more then protecting people who feel it\u2019s justifiable to burn cars, and there is nothing honorable about that on any level.  Somewhere in America\u2019s legal history (if not from the start) justice took a back seat and in it\u2019s place rules that were set up to protect innocent people became twisted to make shields and loopholes for criminals to walk through.<br><br>It seems very few people care about what\u2019s right and wrong anymore.  I\u2019m all for protecting our rights I think people (lawyers) give away our rights every day to win a lawsuit.  Every time you turn around we give up another freedom in the name of security, what we are really doing is renouncing our need to be responsible and losing everything that goes with it, but that\u2019s another rant for another day.<br><br>I doubt he\u2019s protecting someone, he would have destroyed the tapes if it was a friend or if it implicated himself in anyway.  I think it\u2019s a great way for him to make headlines in a way that (he believes) won\u2019t harm his future.  This guy is doing nothing more then costing taxpayers money, I for one think he like so many others are an embarrassment to society.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_15:27:55", "killed": false, "user_key": "48fd7c03aa90c23a2602ebc3837e0f31", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647832": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "@93.And I hope any self respecting journalist that had evidence of a crime being committed would turn over that evidence without having to be compelled to do so.<br><br>For the record, I'm not going to lose any sleep over your paranoid theories.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-03_20:42:20", "killed": false, "user_key": "26493d7270fb206c1e08599674e51e5a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647833": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "A new SF editorial sums up the argument clearly: <a href=\"http://tinyurl.com/hy87c\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://tinyurl.com/hy87c</a><br><br>\"But the really ominous element of the government's argument is the notion that a journalist can be compelled to turn over raw material -- be it notes or video outtakes -- at the government's whim. If that standard can apply to Josh Wolf, it can be used against CNN, NBC, Fox News or any independent journalist who is conducting an investigation or trying to record a chaotic event. Journalists are not agents of the government.\"<br><br>This should matter to anyone of us reguardless of your political persuasion. (i thought the right wingers loved less government control?)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-03_17:44:39", "killed": false, "user_key": "f9db5767dcc598abbc2ed60e7cafdea9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647834": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Comment 92:<br>LayZ(a very ironic and appropriate name) is especially good at spinning this conversation.<br>It's classic neocon style. Lazy is tres Fox-xy.<br>You and others belittle Scoble and try to shame him for having his opinions. What is this? 5th grade?<br><br>The issue is not that Josh Wolf is protecting a confidential source. Josh is defending his right to not hand over unpublished notes.<br><a href=\"http://tinyurl.com/jja4p\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://tinyurl.com/jja4p</a><br>(please actually read the article)<br><br>You keep saying he is hiding evidence of a crime.<br>He says he does not have any recording of a crime.<br>Josh has offered to let the judge view the tapes to see the truth...which the judge has refused to do.<br>If the government is really interested in just seeing if there's evidence of a crime...the solution is simple. Because the judge refuses to scan the tapes privately....it leaves open the question: what are the government's true motives?<br><br>You say that Josh and others are simply paranoid of the Government....that there is no proof that the government will use his personal video tapes other than to see if there's a crime.<br>Here is proof of Federal and local law enforcement agencies recently using videotapes to create databases of protesters.<br>--http://tinyurl.com/fzwby<br>--http://www.citybeat.com/2001-04-05/cover.shtml<br>--http://tinyurl.com/73vx<br>Please refute real evidence.<br><br>LayZ, what we're talking about is setting precedent.<br>This court decision affects you as well.<br>You make clear you disagree with Josh's politics, so \"fuck him\". (good thing you aren't a judge)<br>But what happens when there's a change of administration that doesn't agree with your poltics.<br>And this new Administartion has proven to harass and monitor protestors who you support.<br>You go to record a protest of your people....and then this opposing administration wants your tapes because of some crime they say happened. will you want to give them up? will these rights then matter to you?<br>Be objective and stop spinning the argument.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-03_17:24:42", "killed": false, "user_key": "f9db5767dcc598abbc2ed60e7cafdea9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647835": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "It was amazing to see, as I read through all these comments, just how many people are so ready and willing to give up their rights and freedoms. The checks and balances that helped to make this great country the place that it is. If things keep going the way they have the past few years, I see us headed for police state rule. Some of the very things we use to fight against. It is pitiful to see in their comments, their weakness to stand up for the rights to keep these checks and balances. To be so ready to bow down to what ever the current government demands, with out questioning anything.<br><br>If some of these weak minded characters, with the inability to look at history and into the future, don't start waking up, they will be paying more than just money for high gas prices. My grandchildren, children, me, my brothers and father, and many more of my relatives and ancestors served in our armed forces, many loosing their lives, that we might protect our country and the rights our forefathers had the insight to set up for us in this new great country, with the help of the LORD. That we would not have the persacution they fled from in the old world and like still exists in a lot of the lands across the seas.<br><br>I extend a virtual hand of congrats and my hat is off to you..... Robert Scoble, Eddie Codel, Warwick, David Geller, Ted Shelton, Fred Eggan, Christian Flury, Jay Dedman, and Jonny Goldstein. In these years of trying times it gives me hope, to see people like you with the spirit of our forefathers standing up and fighting for this great country and our constitutional rights. Please keep this tourch lighted and pass it on so that we the people of the United States of America will not be oppressed, and governed and ruled with the iron hand that so many of the other countries are.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-05_04:38:01", "killed": false, "user_key": "b923405e9097a1471c2314ad34a4a110", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647836": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Brent, the thing is, people can do great journalistic work without having credentials. And they can do lousy work with credentials. Many newspaper reporters don't have a journalism degree, and no one makes a fuss about it. There are no formal government or industry guidelines as to who is a journalist.<br><br>Still, If you need some kind of institutional certification that he's a journalist, he was labelled such in recent New York Times and SF Chronicle stories.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_18:47:47", "killed": false, "user_key": "051d1ab5a22d65df04cb82d74364bffe", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647837": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Sticking up for the little guy is great when the little guy is in the right. I see little honor in sticking up for the little guy when the little guy is wrong.<br>As for the blogger v. journalist question I am all in favor of everyone having the same rights regardless of their income, wealth or what they do for a living. Giving secial privileges to bloggers, journalists or police acting as private citizens is all part of a slipery slope away from a democratic system.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_18:44:41", "killed": false, "user_key": "14cb1b76282f670dc56ddd214781cdea", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647838": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "But Eddie, you are equating journalism with blogging.<br><br>It's a case of apples and oranges.<br><br>Is a twelve year old girl with a blog, considered a journalist to you?<br><br>Or, for a better example, is a young person with a blog and a camera, with otherwise, <strong>no other credentials whatsoever</strong>, considered a journalist to you?<br><br>Where do we draw the line?<br><br>Here's an idea: how about those with a degree that specifies the <em>credentials</em>?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_17:24:06", "killed": false, "user_key": "d1aa4e8593b0b0e63bcf5ec38739c41c", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647839": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Just for more background and good points:<br>Reporters without Borders:<br><a href=\"http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=18457\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=18457</a><br><br>Jeff Jarvis:<br><a href=\"http://tinyurl.com/n43c3\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://tinyurl.com/n43c3</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_16:39:15", "killed": false, "user_key": "f9db5767dcc598abbc2ed60e7cafdea9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647840": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "So many commenters here are so sure they know what is on that tape and are absolutely sure that there is nothing for Josh to protect. Has anyone outside of Josh even seen the full tapes? The bottom line is we DON'T KNOW what is on the rest of those tapes and for any of us, including the judge, to make an asumption about it's contents is ridiculous. This IS about journalist integrity and it IS about jurisdiction. This kind of thing ABSOLUTELY has a chilling effect on newsgathering and does erode our notion of a free press.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_15:51:20", "killed": false, "user_key": "c096eaff4f77b53b96680f789eb3c59d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647841": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Eddie's post #2 on this list seems to have been overlooked/<br><br>\"The feds (which has no such sheild law) have decided to to make it a federal case because a city police car was allegedly burned and they claim since San Francisco gets some federal funding, that they have jurisdiction. Following that logic, just about anything can be a federal case!\"<br><br>Federal money flows into every nook an cranny of our lives in one way or another.  Claiming they have jusrisdiction over anything they drop some change on means that State Laws are completly irrelevant... of course there have been other examples of this behavior in regard to California's Medical Marijuana Laws..<br>What about the 10th Ammendment?<br>\"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.\"<br><br>\"The Tenth Amendment is sometimes cited as constitutional ground denying Congress the right to pass any law it sees fit. However, Congress has cited its authority under the Commerce Clause for the authority to pass laws in realms of human behavior not mentioned in the Constitution. If a particular activity affects interstate commerce in any way, they have argued, that Congress has the authority to regulate that activity.\"<br><br>Interstate Commerce?<br><br><a href=\"http://www.networkworld.com/community/?q=node/6499\" rel=\"nofollow\">Also, this is not just about whether a \"citizen journalist\" is a real \"journalist\" or not because corporate reporters phone records are also unfire from the Feds.</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_14:57:35", "killed": false, "user_key": "b5fc02f02fefcc32f7bb0ee783eb0d40", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647842": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Robert,<br><br>I think Josh should do anything he wants to do as long as he understands the consequences.   Unfortunately, based on reading his blog, he will just blame this incident on the evil government.    I really get the feeling he is reveling in the attention.     And you reacting to the fact he is a friend and videoblogger is just feeding it.<br><br>Is he a journalist?  Where do we draw the line today between somone who is a journalist and someone who just posted something on the internet?  Does everyone now get the benefits and freedoms that the press get?<br><br>If I write on a blog about a criminal event and that I have access to information about who was the responsible, can I know refuse to tell the police what I know because I am protecting my sources?   Not a lawyer but this seems like a path to a huge problem.<br><br>Your real concern shouldn't be for Josh, your bigger concern should be about all the people you will probably not be able to influence and touch in the future now based on this post.    You hit a nerve and as someone who is in the middle of the spectrum (or a binary/simplistic thinker) I have decided if your trend is in this direction that you are not on my reading list anymore.  I read and see enough of this stuff on TV, I look to you for something different.<br><br>I admire you for taking a stance and helping a friend, but I think that you need to think a bit more before being so passionate and reacting so quickly in the future to land mines like this one. Scary Powers really was a strong thing to say and I think you could have used a better pair of words to describe the situation.  I bet if you would have opened up with a What do you Think?  You could have helped Josh and not gotten so personally involved.<br><br>I think your creditibility was hurt here.   Something I think most bloggers forget when the post their comments.  I am not saying don't comment or participate, just understand the consequences.    You cannot afford to lose touch with your audience.<br><br>Of course I could be wrong and your audience is not me but Josh and what I just wrote was meaningless.<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Mark", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_14:55:52", "killed": false, "user_key": "8a2d6061348cb20c2356b731e71e365c", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647843": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "And I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what \"source\" the \"journalist\" is protecting and how his future ability to \"report the news\" will be compromised by turning over his tapes.<br><br>And Karim eloquently pointed out the Fed Govt's authority to intervene in this case. What their \"ulterior motives\" might be is simply tin foil hat wearing paranioa that has no basis in fact.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_14:45:08", "killed": false, "user_key": "26493d7270fb206c1e08599674e51e5a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647844": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Hey Scoble, doesn't the police also have a right to make an argument in court, with access to all available evidence?<br><br><strong>We still do live under laws, right?</strong>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_14:45:06", "killed": false, "user_key": "d1aa4e8593b0b0e63bcf5ec38739c41c", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647845": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "And by Josh saying what is NOT on the tape pretty makes his shield law defense moot now.  He's given the public hints of what the tapes contain. I thought he was trying to \"maintain the confidentiality of... unpublished information obtained during 'newsgathering'\"? If they was the case, why did he tell you what was NOT on the tapes. Should he have said he couldn't tell you what's not on the tapes.<br><br>Careful now. You now have evidence relevant to the case.  Are you going to put on your \"journalist\" hat?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-03_12:49:11", "killed": false, "user_key": "26493d7270fb206c1e08599674e51e5a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647846": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Scoble, the minute you can get a press pass to cover the Super Bowl as a blogger, or get in the White House Press room (yea I know the Bush administration let some guy in that wrote positively for them), then I'll buy your \"bloggers are journalists\" argument.<br><br>And you keep in believing that the govt is out to get you and the boogeyman is hding under your bed.  Jesus!  The 60's are OVER, dude!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_14:39:59", "killed": false, "user_key": "26493d7270fb206c1e08599674e51e5a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647847": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "@83 Josh can SAY whatever he wants.  He should provide evidence of it.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-03_12:05:29", "killed": false, "user_key": "26493d7270fb206c1e08599674e51e5a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647848": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I think it comes down to a few simple facts:<br>*  the shield law is to cover confidential sources and information; and<br>*  the actions happened in public and therefore is not confidential.<br><br>The fact that it is footage of a crime being committed is irrelevant since the shield laws would probably protect the breaking of other laws (think of a reporter doing an expose into drug dealing)... but getting the footage from a security camera in front of a gas station would be different.<br><br>The interesting part will be to see where the 9th Circuit comes down on this.  In the past, they've tended to side with the ever-encroaching power of the gov at any level they can.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-03_12:06:42", "killed": false, "user_key": "23365b2ae97212e561fb82442857d8bb", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647849": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "So destroying police cars shouldn't be prosecutable  then. Gotcha. Likening that to Nazi Germany is just absolutely silly.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_13:24:54", "killed": false, "user_key": "29e8eaa9f0c9858504dae585afc9fc1e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647850": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Robert,<br>You want to be a journalist? Fine. Get a press pass.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_13:34:41", "killed": false, "user_key": "ab9b68cb312cb4765faeff864ffeda1d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647851": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Brent: yes. She is a journalist too. Deal with it. I hate that you brought a kid into this, though, cause they don't have adult rights so it's not easy to answer your question here.<br><br>So, let me restate your question: \"is a college student who has a MySpace page a journalist?\" Absolutely yes, is my answer.<br><br>There is no credential for journalism. Deal with it.<br><br>Stop being elitist. Or, do you feel the words \"all men are created equal\" only applies to certain people who have professional credentials?<br><br>Now,", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_18:36:23", "killed": false, "user_key": "3553f5e0db0fd1ec4e40a932a2d8f5b3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647852": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "For those commenters who are bringing up the tedious argument of \"are bloggers journalists\"...please check out this current post: <a href=\"http://tinyurl.com/ezc3u\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://tinyurl.com/ezc3u</a>.<br><br>The journalism vs blogging argument seems to me to be a way for you to ignore realities that people have put forward when it comes to police mining videotapes to create databases of people who attend protests.<br><a href=\"http://tinyurl.com/qeabg\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://tinyurl.com/qeabg</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_13:45:15", "killed": false, "user_key": "f9db5767dcc598abbc2ed60e7cafdea9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647853": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "@90, You mean like removing \"God\" from the Pledge of Allegiance?  Actually I would bet the Ninth Circuit court would side with the wannabe journalist given their history. If they can find a new law to make up in their ruling, they'll go out of their way to do it.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-03_12:25:25", "killed": false, "user_key": "26493d7270fb206c1e08599674e51e5a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647854": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Bill: &gt;You want to be a journalist? Fine. Get a press pass.<br><br>That demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of the press. There is no licensing body. Who hands out press passes anyway? Yeah, you need them to get access to individual events, but not to \"report\" the news.<br><br>Brad: there are bigger issues here than prosecuting a car arson. But, keep on believing this is just about that. Looking at life in a binary/simplistic way is often easier than thinking about the bigger issues involved here.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_14:04:15", "killed": false, "user_key": "3553f5e0db0fd1ec4e40a932a2d8f5b3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647855": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "@85. Fred, you are another one jumping to paranoid conclusions for this specific case. You may THINK you no the motives of the govt, but you have no facts on which to base those opinions. Only your unwarranted paranoia about what \"the administration\" my think about protestors.  As for what they are looking for, who's to say they are not looking for the cops who you say allegedly beat protesters. Wouldn't it be nice to have evidence of that as well?  A crime is a crime. Let's get the evidence of all the crimes. Seems Josh is not interested is that, but rather more interested in getting noteriety.<br><br>And Scoble, I'd like the names of these bloggers you say have had access to the White House Press room.  I mean, if you are going to throw me the likes of Michele Malkin or other columnist that also blog, then you haven't met my criteria.  I want examples of bloggers sitting in the basements of their parents homes eating their Doritos, drinking their Mountain Dews that have been able to get press passes to the Super Bowl, or The White House.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-03_12:19:54", "killed": false, "user_key": "26493d7270fb206c1e08599674e51e5a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647856": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "If they had broken in and taken the tape you might have a point. But nothing here indicates that anything is being done improperly or outside of normal processes.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_14:26:51", "killed": false, "user_key": "29e8eaa9f0c9858504dae585afc9fc1e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647857": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "LayZ: it depends what crimes you want persecuted and how many laws you're willing to \"bend\" to get your way.<br><br>I seem to remember a certain country in Europe who wanted certain crimes \"persecuted\" too.<br><br>I promised my mom I'd stick up for the little guy: always.<br><br>&gt;You are just wrong, and so is the fundamental argument for not providing the tapes.<br><br>If I'm wrong, I'd rather be on the side of the little guy rather than the government who has infinite resources to pound the little guy into the pavement.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_13:15:30", "killed": false, "user_key": "3553f5e0db0fd1ec4e40a932a2d8f5b3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647858": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "T Man: that's an interesting question. Yes, I believe that all bloggers have the same rights as paid journalists. This isn't China, you know.<br><br>And, if you were to burn my BMW I'd probably want to kill you. But, that wouldn't make that action right. And it wouldn't be allowable under law. We still do live under laws, right?<br><br>The shield laws are important for journalists who try to do real work. I do view this as a slippery slope.<br><br>If I have to worry about protecting the people I'm videotaping I just will do less videotaping.<br><br>Just like if I am going to worry about lawsuits I'm going to tell you less about what I'm hearing Apple is announcing next week at its conferences.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_13:06:59", "killed": false, "user_key": "3553f5e0db0fd1ec4e40a932a2d8f5b3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647859": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I love the spin...<br><br>\"refusing to turn over videotape of a San Francisco protest.\"<br><br>More like:<br><br>\"refusing to turn over videotape of people destroying a police car which is a federal crime.\"", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-03_11:25:07", "killed": false, "user_key": "3ab98b3bd329a90898afbd6715d20565", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647860": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Robert, your post is sensationalism at its best.  Just like the teaser for the 11 o'clock news, you make it seem like his ONLY \"crime\" (willing to cede on usage of this word, but seems the best at the time) was to videotape a protest.  Well, there was a little more to it than that.  Those tapes can be used as evidence.  Arson is NOT a minor offense, and I really don't want people that think they can set fire to anything, especially something that I (we collectively) paid for.  And, reverse this a little bit, and imagine an arsonist set fire to YOUR shiny new BMW.  Horrible to conceive, and not certainly something I wish on anyone, but I certainly would want to make sure that if evidence existed to prosecute someone, I want that evidence to be used.<br><br>And seriously, how are all of these bloggers suddenly calling themselves \"journalists?\"  I'm not a defender of the typical journalist, and I think that sometimes a blogger DOES report the news better than some seasoned journalists, but that suddenly doesn't mean that he IS a journalist.  In comparison, if your doctors office employed people that were not formally a nurse, would you still go to that doctor, even though the doctor insists that the \"nurse\" is just as good as any other nurse?  Why treat the field of journalism any different.  Can you not major in the field of journalism?  What gives a blogger the right to call themselves journalist when they are not?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_12:28:16", "killed": false, "user_key": "d3fc10f74b02d2530327a0e6575eb1ca", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647861": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Maybe this is just me, but I don't see why he's clinging so hard to the footage. He has no \"sources\" who provided information to him that he has to protect.<br><br>When you go to interview a source you know that what will transpire there will possibly put that person in legal hot water. However, there's a big difference between talking with a source about murdering someone and recording him doing it - releasing a tape with his face blotched out - then refusing to hand your footage over to the FBI when they want it.<br><br>He should've handed over the tape in the first place.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_12:27:51", "killed": false, "user_key": "f1ab0abc1b064d8c903329ef4e894a6b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647862": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "So, people that want crimes prosecuted are facists??? Got it! Thanks!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_12:25:40", "killed": false, "user_key": "26493d7270fb206c1e08599674e51e5a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647863": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "There are fascists in every society, but what is really scary is that they are readers of the Scobleizer.<br><br>John Dean's new book Conservatives Without Conscience is very insightful regarding fascists in America.<br><a href=\"http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0670037745/sr=8-1/qid=1154533432/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-2618690-2109732?ie=UTF8\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0670037745/sr=...</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_11:51:51", "killed": false, "user_key": "9b646ff3eeda1f01cc2b1cb86d1634f9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647864": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "@41  \"Objection, Your Honor!  Badgering the witness!!!\"<br><br>:-)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_11:32:55", "killed": false, "user_key": "26493d7270fb206c1e08599674e51e5a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647865": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Like others I have problem with bloggers suddenly saying they are \"journalists\".  I think this Josh dude is simply in it for the publicity.  I'm sure he's quickly moving up the \"A list\" rankings now. (But, as Seinfeld said \"I'm not sure how official any of these rankings really are\")<br><br>To be sure the Federal Govt's reach is much farther than the Constitution intended. But again, no one seems to have a problem with the Federal Govt wanting to protect them when it comes to religious beliefs they disagree with, providing them craded to grave care with other people's money for example. But when the Fed Govt wants to step in to prosecute a crime, we now have a problem?  Talk about hypocricy.<br><br>Look out!!!  Another black helicopter flying over head!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_11:39:12", "killed": false, "user_key": "26493d7270fb206c1e08599674e51e5a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647866": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<i> then wrap themselves in some law to protect themselves? </i><br><br>Apparently the State law <i>does</i> protect him.  I'm assuming California enacted the shield law for a reason.  (But it's <i>California</i>, so, you know, the reason might have involved alignment of chakras.)<br><br>The Federal law doesn't protect him, which is apparently why it became a Federal case.<br><br>I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV.  So far all I have dug up is <a href=\"http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/crm01011.htm\" rel=\"nofollow\">U.S.C. &amp;#167 666</a>, which seems to imply that if you steal from an organization that takes more than $10,000 from the Federal Government, and the value of the loss exceeds $5,000, it's now magically a Federal Case.<br><br>I'm assuming the cop car cost more than $5,000.<br><br>-- BEGIN JOKE --<br>So, I suppose today's tip for anarchists is that their looting, pillaging, raping and burning must cause a monetary loss of $4,999.99 or less, or the FBI will come after you.  Remember, kids: always get the Blue Book value of a cruiser <i>before</i> you torch it.<br>-- END JOKE --<br><br>Caveat: My legal training is limited to having watched <i>The Paper Chase</i> and several <i>People's Court</i> episodes.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_11:19:06", "killed": false, "user_key": "67ddf598c32d0ae929852af89fa4b272", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647867": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Brent from Comment #35.<br>It difficult to take any of your comments seriously because you're so condescending. You're starting to show yourself as a right-wing wing nut.<br><br>You do expose some very good points:<br>\"Blogging can be journalism if the blogger is a journalist.\"<br>so who is a journalist? Only someone who works for a \"journalist company\"?<br><br>\"The police are there for you. Are you aware of this?\"<br>Sure. Police are people like us. Most of them are good. BUT have you seen the video that Josh recorded?<br><a href=\"http://tinyurl.com/rzj94\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://tinyurl.com/rzj94</a><br>Towards the end you see a supposedly Federal Marshal, gun drawn, with a laser guide, yelling \"Leave or you're going to be fucking blasted\".<br>Your kind of black and white thinking is exactly what has put our country in these dire times. Yes, police are good, but some can be bad.<br><br>\"I never said Mel Gibson is guilty or innocent, he has. I repeated only what he said, and added that if it is genuine, then I am willing to forgive his mistake.\"<br>I just brought up your Mel Gibson blog post because I think it's ironic how quickly sympathetic you are to an influential man who was caught drunk driving and hurling racial slurs and then got his PR team to do damage control....but you are so quick to condemn a young man who was simply a witness at a public event. You're making it obvious that your poltics are apriority for you.<br><br>\"Is every blogger considered a journalist? If so, then this law applies to everyone who has a blog? Doesn\u2019t everyone have a blog? That would mean that most of the population is the press!\"<br>This is the greatest series of questions that need answering. Now that everyone can pick up a camera and record events and distribute to the world...shouldn't we have rights? Other than being paid, how are we different? Coming from the news BUSINESS, I agree that professional journalism is supposed to have integrity and ethics...but in this world of infotainment, we have all seen too many examples of weak, biased reporting and compromised editing to put professional journalists in some special category.<br>Regular people blogging have really added to our public discourse and we do need rights.<br><br>\"If this blogger is considered a journalist, then I want the same protection that he has. I also want to be considered a journalist. Can I also be considered an author?\"<br>Answers: Good, you should want the same rights. And yes, you can be considered an author.<br><br>\"This is such a crock. And no, I don\u2019t feel that strongly about it. I couldn\u2019t really give a crap. People can do what they want. However, when I see crap, I confront it. I\u2019m that type of person.\"<br>Come on, you do feel strongly about this issue which is why you keep coming back for more. You do it because you're a blogger and want to engage in a conversation and want your voice heard. This is why blogging is so cool. We can also both see each other's sites to get context.<br><br>\"We are talking about a young man who videotaped a riot which included the arson of a police vehicle, and he refuses to help the prosecution of this crime, therefore is (deservedly) being held in contempt of court, for his own crime \u2013obstruction of justice!<br>Why must you defend the actions of criminals?\"<br><br>No one is defending criminals. Josh is a young man who recorded a public event. He says he does not have any video of the car burning and has offerd the judge(who has refused) to privately scan the tapes. Josh simply doesnt want to hand over his tapes to the authorities so they could use it to make lists of marchers. You don't think this happens?<br><a href=\"http://tinyurl.com/qeabg\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://tinyurl.com/qeabg</a><br>We're at a point in this debate, and in this country, when the facts are too clear. Now it's just whether you want to accept the realites or not.<br><br>\"The press seems to be only concerned with it\u2019s own rights, but not with the rights of law-abiding citizens.\"<br>Yes Brent, this is the whole point. The press and BLOGGERS are law biding citizens. We cannot have a country where everyone is being thrown in jail for documenting events. I'm sure you feel safe with your beliefs now, but what happens when a different administration takes power and suddenly your ideas are no longer \"correct\". Do you want harassment based on what you write or videotape?<br><br>This is an objective question that needs to be answered seriously. Court decisions set precedent which can be very powerful in deciding future cases.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_10:52:21", "killed": false, "user_key": "f9db5767dcc598abbc2ed60e7cafdea9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647868": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Podesta, you are mistaken in the case of the California Shield law. Under this law, the state cannot compell handing over of unpublished notes or media from a journalist. It's not required that he be protecting confidential sources or information. It covers the following unpublished information (I copied this from hefirstamendment.org/shieldlaw.html)<br><br>    *  Specific information obtained during newsgathering but not disclosed to the public<br>    * Includes \"all notes, outlines, photographs, tapes or other data of whatever sort\"<br>    * Includes newsgatherer's eyewitness observations in a public place<br>    * Applies even if published information was based upon or related to unpublished intormation<br><br><br>As to whether Josh should be considered a journalist, he has contributed to a couple of newspapers and sold<br>his footage to news programs, including some of the footage in question. The law includes freelancers, so<br>under it, he's covered....if the jurisdiction is the state of California.<br><br>It's true that Josh is currently being<br>held in contempt by a federal court, and there is no federal shield law, but there is a lot of debate as to whether the feds should have juridiction here.<br><br>So whether Josh \"Has a leg to stand on legally\" depends on whether the Feds remain successful in asserting their jurisdiction.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-04_21:25:37", "killed": false, "user_key": "051d1ab5a22d65df04cb82d74364bffe", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647869": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Jay, the editorial you cited ignores the established criteria for shield laws, i.e., being a journalist, having a source,  information that is confidential.  Since none of those criteria apply in Lil' Josh's case, as I've said several times, he hasn't a leg to stand on legally.  A spectator at public event has no right to withhold information from a grand jury.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-04_20:10:55", "killed": false, "user_key": "fff84bc87483c130a095dba4c2969247", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647870": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I was very sorry to hear of this. I'll be following the story.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-04_17:31:03", "killed": false, "user_key": "3776e898d8d086785d8a2700224eb5ee", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647871": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Hand it over. If he was taping illegal acts then selling them to New Stations, and posting them on websites, he is making a profit. Why doesn't every criminal get a camera and tape crimes, sell the exclusive footage to News organizations, then wrap themselves in some law to protect themselves? His conduct was participatory, he should face the music.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_07:08:49", "killed": false, "user_key": "1d1ba4bf0ef77766a1d77ac61c86e386", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647872": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "As others have said I do not believe that the real issue is whether Josh Wolf is right or whether he may be considered a journalist, but at which level of jurisdiction this should be dealt with. I am deeply concerned by this tendency of central governments/jurisdictions - be it in Washington DC, Brussels or Berne - to grasp more and more powers and end up finding ways to declare everything a federal (or here in the EU: a European) matter. This undermines the whole principle of subsidiarity, decentralization, separation of powers and limited government upon which the countries of the free world are supposed to be built. And - regarding comment #27 - yes, this is - alas - not the only case, and the left certainly has to take the lion's share of the blame for this dangerous tendency, but this does not make it any better. I believe the American constitution is the best in the world and deserves to be taken seriously - the way it is misinterpreted today by the feds, Thomas Jefferson would turn in his grave. A European libertarian/small-government conservative (yes, we do exist ;-))", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-03_03:57:33", "killed": false, "user_key": "3770e41c27d023e0e3158f6e86454b76", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647873": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Many people are supporting Josh Wolf, the videoblogger who is in jail for contempt of a federal grand jury in San Francisco. . In Wolf's case, his video outtakes just might have images of people the government can accuse of attacking a police car. Attacking a police car in rage at police beating demonstrators, who were protesting a war they believe is unjust.  I think he is doing the right thing by refusing to go along with the federal grand jury.<br><br>The grand jury is a secret proceeding where you sit in front of a panel of grand jurors (without a lawyer or public audience) and answer questions posed to you by a prosecutor. The grand jurors are usually retired people or others with a lot of free time\u2014statistically likely to believe what the government says without much question. The grand jury proceeds by compelling a citizen to answer questions in their investigation of an alleged crime. The grand jury proceeding is not protected by constitutional rights of free speech or the right not to incriminate yourself. In a situation where your refusal is based<br>on the possibility that your testimony might incriminate you, the grand jury can give you immunity from prosecution if you will name names. The grand jury insists you answer; if you refuse, the presiding judge can jail you--presumably until you do answer, or until the term of the grand jury expires. Grand juries usually have a term of about 18 months, and are often extended.<br><br>In the current war atmosphere, many Arab and Muslim people (and the Earth First activists who liberate bunnies) have been jailed for contempt of the grand jury. Hundreds of people have been jailed by grand juries, and in most cases there is no way to contest<br>the whole proceeding. Grand juries are frequently witch hunts going after whoever the present government wants to shut up. Being a citizen journalist is not really the shield we'd like to think it is.  Any person--Judith Miller, for example-- is grist for the apparatus.<br><br><br>The Bush administration wants to suppress anti-war sentiment. They would like to brand all anti-war protesters as disloyal or criminal, and they look for ways to silence leaders and journalists and as many people as they can plausibly accuse of wrong-doing. Judith Miller might have been protecting the rights of journalists, but she was shielding government officials who were trying to smear their own former ambassador who blew the whistle on lies about Iraq WMDs. In Josh Wolf's case, his video outtakes just might have images of people the government can accuse of attacking a police car.  Wolf did not video the attack on the police car, he might have shots of crowds who later that day might have been part of the attack.  Nobody knows, and in cases like this it is not just standing up to a principle to refuse to hand over his tapes. Even for people who support the war in Iraq, the issue is how far the government should go to shut up those who disagree with their policies.  Saying no helps encourage others to say no to injustices when they happen.<br><br><br>For this reason, people of all kinds have kind of come to consensus that the best strategy to fight this repressive proceeding is to refuse to testify. Refusing means the grand jury can't use you to build their case. It means a sacrifice, but it helps protect others and helps build a movement against abuse of power. It's not true that the government always wins. In many of the grand jury controversies, the mobilization of people to stand up and say \"no\" has stopped the witch hunt. That is what Josh Wolf is doing.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-03_03:26:15", "killed": false, "user_key": "01cf73b4a56ae11e2f289f2172d98923", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647874": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "LayZ: there have been several bloggers who've gotten access to those types of things -- and that kind of journalism is only .01% of what's in your local newspaper, so that isn't how we define journalism. Of course not everyone, but I've seen rafts of bloggers get into the political conventions and a few have gotten into the white house press room.<br><br>From what Josh told me there isn't any more footage of the cruiser being vandalized beyond what he's already made available. So, what else do they want to see on those tapes?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-03_02:25:26", "killed": false, "user_key": "3553f5e0db0fd1ec4e40a932a2d8f5b3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647875": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<blockquote>did you go to journalism school? If not, why should we listen to you tell anyone what a journalist is?</blockquote><br><br>No, I didn't. However, I haven't, nor will I ever, claim that because I have a blog, I am therefore, somehow automatically considered a \"<em>journalist</em>\". Columnist, perhaps.<br><br>If bloggers are considered journalists, then how do we determine from where is a <em>reliable</em> source for news? Anyone can have a blog. Does that mean that we should trust anyone with a blog, to tell the story, unbiased, unabridged, and with only the facts?<br><br>When is the last time you have read a blog, like I have described above? Never! If it is the news, it is the news+the added perspective of opinion.<br><br>I realize that columnists can be considered journalists. Take Bill O'Reilly for example. But I don't go to Bill O'Reilly to get the news. And he happens to be a <em>professional</em> in a <em>business</em>. So is Dan Rather (for those who hate O'Reilly, and sometimes you can go to Rather for the news, except during election years).<br><br>This is what separates blogs from the actual news, and what we in America [normally] define as journalism.<br><br>It is someone who is hired by a reputable source, like a newspaper, a magazine, or a television/radio show. Even nowadays Internet shows.<br><br>But this is totally different from someone's self-proclamation, of all of a sudden, somehow being a journalist, just because they videotaped something which may be newsworthy.<br><br>The simple fact is, the court and federal authorities have reason to believe that this guy witnessed a felony arson, and has documented proof of it, on his videotape.<br><br>This guy can refuse to hand it over, all he wants, for all I care. But I don't sympathize with someone who wouldn't have automatically called the police after knowingly witnessed an arson, especially one to <em>public</em> property.<br><br>I think it is fairly obvious, that this guy <em>really</em> wants to be a journalist, and is enjoying his little 15 minutes of fame in all of this. However, I think it is a bit embarrassing.<br><br>Robert, you claim that a 12 yo girl can be considered a journalist. But isn't this totally reckless when it comes to law? Where is the line drawn?<br><br>Are we actually going to allow ourselves to become this careless with information?<br><br>The press brings us the news every day. We trust that these people are telling the truth. We consider them <strong>reliable</strong>. This is because these people actually have to answer to someone. Yes, money talks, and B.S. walks.<br><br>A blogger (as a journalist, as you put it), has <strong>nobody</strong> to answer to. Therefore he/she can get away with all types of wacky and outrageous, ridiculous things, and has to answer to nobody. There is nobody to fire he/she. And there are many, who are dull enough to believe anything, no matter how outrageous the subject matter may be.<br><br>We have to draw the line somewhere.<br><br>This is obviously a hot debate, that will undoubtedly, become  the subject of public debate, far outside of this particular case.<br><br>If this guy is a journalist fine. However, does this young man actually have the audience to be considered a journalist? Perhaps this is how we can measure whether or not a blogger can be considered a journalist. If he has a million readers, then obviously, he has the credibility to be considered a journalist. But if he is just picking up a camera, recording his life, or whatever he sees, uploading it to youtube, then adding a bit of commentary, to it, it is not journalism. There is another word for it: blogging! Or in his case vlogging (whatever). I will appropriately refer him to the television channel <em>Current</em>.<br><br>And Robert, if I hurt your wittle feewings, I'm so sooorry.  :(<br><br>And dude, I'm kidding around with you. Please don't take it seriously if I throw a little insult or a <em>yo mamma</em> joke your way. Lighten up, man. Have a sense of humor.<br><br>You are an actual author. I consider you to be credible. I would probably even acknowledge you as a journalist, if that is what you intend to be portrayed as in your blog. If I really thought you were an idiot, I wouldn't have subscribed to you to begin with, and would have never seen this post. In other words, let's squash the beef, bro.<br><br>That doesn't mean that I agree with you though. I think that you are totally wrong about this.<br><br>I believe very strongly in freedoms and liberties. I believe that the press should be able to write stories without fear. You may have gotten the wrong idea about me, since I happen to be a proud,<a href=\"http://brentroos.wordpress.com\" rel=\"nofollow\"> flag-waving Patriot</a>. There <em>was</em> a time, when people saw this as a <em>good</em> thing. The America that I know, love, and fight for, enjoys all of the liberties granted under the Constitution.<br><br>I firmly believe in freedom of the press, <em>and</em> freedom of speech.<br><br>I do not feel that this example falls into that category of freedom of the press, because  1) the guy isn't the press, and 2) the court has given him an order to see the tape and he refuses to comply with a court order. I do not feel sorry for him, because he is not within the protection of the law, therefore, subject to be held in contempt of court for obstruction of justice --of a felony arson of public (taxpayer paid) property.<br><br>He taped an <strong>anarchist</strong> march (riot), and didn't even have the decency, as a citizen, to let the authorities know that he witnessed a crime.<br><br>And to all of those who are trying to make this political, that is just, absurd!<br><br>Like I said, when I see crap, I'm gonna say something. <strong>That</strong> is part of blogging (and perhaps journalism). Ah geez, now I'm a journalist!<br><br>I think I may have the solution. Instead of jail, he ought to just have to sit in one of <a href=\"http://brentroos.wordpress.com/files/2006/07/stocks.jpg\" rel=\"nofollow\">these</a> for a day!  ;)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-03_02:34:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "d1aa4e8593b0b0e63bcf5ec38739c41c", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647876": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"For the record, I\u2019m not going to lose any sleep over your paranoid theories.\"<br><br>Ladies and Gentlemen, LayZ has just left the building.<br>Real conversation, evidence, and reality become too much.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-04_14:19:02", "killed": false, "user_key": "f9db5767dcc598abbc2ed60e7cafdea9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647877": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Again, until any and all random bloggers that want to can get press passes to major sporting events or the White House press room, by most anyone's definition (except the Bizzaro world Scoble lives in) they are not   journalists.<br><br>And based on the comments above about how Josh as used his video, he's nothing short of a hypocrite.<br><br>And no one has made a compelling case, based on facts, for why the govt wants the unedited tapes beyond obtaining more evidence to prosecute those responsible for torching he police cruiser.  Any theories beyond that is merely 60's era paranoia of \"the man\"<br><br>God, Scoble! Sometimes you sound just like Jerry Fletcher.  I guess if you keep it up, ONE of your conspiracy theories will eventually stick.   But, one would expect more rational thought and reasoning from someone of your purported background.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-03_02:03:01", "killed": false, "user_key": "26493d7270fb206c1e08599674e51e5a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647878": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Do you really believe that every Mom, Pop and Teeny Bopper with a videocam or cellphone camera is a journalist, Ted?   If anything, the fact that Wolf is willing to profit from footage he has shot, but not to support the societal goal of  fair administration of justice, casts him an even more negative light.  Kind of weird for an anarchist who hates big business and The Man, isn't it?  How can someone who is pocketing presidents from Rupert Murdoch claim to be against the system?<br><br>I did look into the background of the situation.  Josh is one of those shrill, shrieking ALF/ELF types in love with his own rhetoric.  No legitimate press would print anything he writes because it is advocacy, not journalism. But, I'm sure he is popular at Indymedia.  His mother, who has taken over his blog, is actually denying that a police car was set on fire during the demonstration.  I guess a dodgy relationship with reality runs in the family.<br><br>I am going to predict that if Lil' Josh continues his histrionics he will become just as much a caricature as Tre Arrow.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-03_00:53:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "fff84bc87483c130a095dba4c2969247", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647879": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I wonder if some of the people who are harping about Josh not being a journalist have investigated the matter?  Some of the video in question was run on a local television station (KRON).  Johnny Goldstein wrote a comment on Jeff Jarvis' blog as he actuall met Josh and thus knows his background.  Goldstein writes:<br><br>\"Whatever the legal and moral questions here, I think it\u2019s safe to say Josh can be designated a journalist. He\u2019s just out of college, and while he was there he wrote for the student newspaper. Since graduating in addition to his blogging and vlogging, he has sold footage to MSM outlets and published articles for the Haight Ashbury Beat (yeah I hear you snickering, but it looks like a legit community paper). The SF Chronicle and the NY Times both label him a journalist in recent articles. Although there\u2019s no official designation of who is a journo, by an reasonable standard, it seems to me Josh qualifies. It might be a tougher call if he was just a guy with a blog who wrote about what kind of cereal he had for breakfast, but that\u2019s not what he is.\"<br><br>While the US Justice department pursues this case, the San Francisco Board of Supervisors (the owners of the squad car in question) have passed a resolution SUPPORTING Josh.<br><br>Furthermore, there is some question as to whether or not a squad car actually was torched -- according to Reports Sans frontieres:<br><br>\"Wolf filmed the demonstrations in the Mission District of San Francisco in July 2005. He posted his footage on his website and it was aired by Kron TV, an independent news station. After circulating on the Internet, it was picked up by local affiliates of national TV networks.<br><br>After seeing the published footage, assistant US attorney Jeffrey Finigan asked Wolf to hand over all of the unedited footage he had shot of the incident. The government assertion\u2019s is that someone attempted to set a police car on fire. Wolf denied having any more detailed footage of the object of the investigation or witnessing the alleged incident. He insisted that he was anyway protected by a Californian shield law under which journalists have the right both to protect the confidentiality of their sources and to refuse to surrender unpublished material and notes.\"<br><br>Its good to do a little research before throwing around opinions about what happened, why, whats in the tapes, is Josh a journalist or not, are bloggers journalists... I find it strange to see the vitriol from people who clearly didn't bother to look into the background of this issue.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-03_00:08:48", "killed": false, "user_key": "ec59866f8e583487d6e4aa57c5cf2d29", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647880": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<blockquote>Let\u2019s not just call Josh a \u201cself absorbed dork\u201d.</blockquote><br><br>Granted. I have seen your blog, and I am glad to include you as well.<br><br>Blogging can be journalism if the blogger is a <em>journalist</em>. Do you consider yourself a journalist? If you have a video camera, and a vlog (a video weblog for those of you who don't know), are you automatically considered a journalist, therefore press laws apply to you, and you are above testimony in a criminal case?<br><br>Grow up. San Francisco is still under the jurisdiction of Federal law. I'm sure that the rest of us wouldn't have much of a problem cutting all of the federal funding for you, since you don't appreciate it a bit, anyway. or if you do, you sure have a funny way of showing it --you know like not helping the authorities prosecute an arson on a police department's property. The police are there for you. Are you aware of this?<br><br>I never said Mel Gibson is guilty or innocent, he has. I repeated only what he said, and added that if it is genuine, then I am willing to forgive his mistake. I too used to be an alcoholic, and I was arrested once for belligerent behavior. Everybody makes mistakes. Admitting this is what matters. That is totally different and irrelevant from what we're talking about here. But thanks for the link ;).<br><br>I am serious with the question, because if this is the case that bloggers are considered journalists, then what are the boundaries of the law, in terms of whom we are speaking of? Is every blogger considered a journalist? If so, then this law applies to everyone who has a blog? Doesn't <em>everyone</em> have a blog? That would mean that most of the population is the press! That really does not make practical sense, and will never fly in the court system.<br><br>Who is saying that this is one of the issues of the case? The judge? I doubt it. If this blogger is considered a journalist, then I want the same protection that he has. I also want to be considered a <em>journalist</em>. Can I also be considered an author?<br><br>This is such a crock. And no, I don't feel that strongly about it. I couldn't really give a crap. People can do what they want. However, when I see crap, I confront it. I'm <em>that</em> type of person.<br><br>I, as well as the majority of the rest of the responders here, seem to think I make a pretty valid point, whereas you and Robert do not.<br><br>We are talking about a young man who videotaped a riot which included the arson of a police vehicle, and he refuses to help the prosecution of this crime, therefore is (deservedly) being held in contempt of court, for his own crime --obstruction of justice!<br><br>Why must you <em>defend</em> the actions of criminals?<br><br>If someone burned your car, wouldn't you want the arsonist prosecuted, and if someone taped it, wouldn't you demand that it be used as evidence?<br><br>Um, isn't it the <em>victim</em><em> of the arson, who </em><em>should</em> be protected here? The press seems to be only concerned with it's <em>own</em> rights, but not with the rights of <em>law-abiding citizens</em>.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_03:19:04", "killed": false, "user_key": "d1aa4e8593b0b0e63bcf5ec38739c41c", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647881": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "You are being ridiculous, Robert.  I was a journalist for years and there was definitely a difference between my work and what Lil' Josh is doing.  Not that I really believe he is doing any reporting at all.  No.  The kid just latched on to 'I'm a journalist' as a pretext for not cooperating with law enforcement.  If he was a real reporter, he would know that shield laws apply to confidential sources, not public events one witnesses.<br><br>It does not help Lil' Josh's case that even for an 'anarchist,' he is a goofy looking kid.  Goofy and arrogant simultaneously will not work in his favor.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_23:18:54", "killed": false, "user_key": "fff84bc87483c130a095dba4c2969247", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647882": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Comment 76:<br>You finally are helping make the issue clear.<br>The Federal government says they want the tapes to see if he recorded someone burning a SF police car.<br><br>Josh Wolf says he did not record this event, and doesn't want to hand over the tapes because he thinks the Federal Government will start taking names and disseminate this info local authorities who failed to get the tapes in court. If you think this is black helicopter paranoia, do the research: <a href=\"http://tinyurl.com/qeabg\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://tinyurl.com/qeabg</a>)<br><br>Why is this important?<br>Because Josh considers himself a journalist that has access to a certain community. If he handed over the tapes, he could lose credibility and access to that community.<br><br>Josh's lawyer has put forth a solution. Let the judge scan the tape in his chambers to determine if there is a person setting a car on fire. If yes, give up the tapes. If no, its all done.<br><br>The judge refused to do this, put Josh in jail, and refused to give him bail.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_22:49:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "f9db5767dcc598abbc2ed60e7cafdea9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647883": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Brent from Comment 33.<br>you have very strong feelings obviously:<br><a href=\"http://tinyurl.com/mqfmo\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://tinyurl.com/mqfmo</a><br>Your very clear about how innocent Mel Gibson is.<br><br>Courts are here to allow Josh's issues to be worked out. Let's not just call Josh a \"self absorbed dork\".<br><br>And yes, of course, a blogging can be journalism. Are you serious with this question? What is this 1998? This is one of the issues of the court case.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_02:15:26", "killed": false, "user_key": "f9db5767dcc598abbc2ed60e7cafdea9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647884": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The trailer for <a rel=\"nofollow\"> has the following text:<br><br><b>SEVEN YEARS FROM NOW<br><br>EVERYTHING YOU DO<br>WILL BE RECORDED</b><br><br>Science \"fiction.\"  Hahahahaha...</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_01:45:32", "killed": false, "user_key": "67ddf598c32d0ae929852af89fa4b272", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647885": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "dang, I'm gonna have to learn how to close an anchor tag.<br><br>Should read,<br><br>The trailer for <a href=\"http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0405296/1125.jpg\" rel=\"nofollow\">A Scanner Darkly</a> has the following text:", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_01:47:48", "killed": false, "user_key": "67ddf598c32d0ae929852af89fa4b272", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647886": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I'm not sure how this conversation got derailed into a discussion about whether or not the film was taken by a blogger, a journalist, or a fifth grader. What difference does that make to the core issue?<br><br>Does the tape contain evidence of a felony?  We don't know.  How do we find out?  Someone looks at it - in this case the Federal Government is interested in looking at it.<br><br>Is that bad?  I know - it depends on what they are *really* looking for.  Some people assume they are looking for something other than what they claim to be looking for - others think they are looking for exactly what they say they are (who torched the cruiser).<br><br>In either case, the fundamental issue is the same to me - someone took a film that reportedly contains an act of more than \"civil disobedience\" - a cop car was burned.  Not a case of someone burning a flag or spraying graffiti - this is a real offense.<br><br>So if the film exists, and if it has evidence that could help arrest those responsible, then give the tape over.  I don't understand the argument, or how this can be considered a \"little guy verse the government\" issue.  It's an evidence issue.<br><br>I wish Josh would/could jump in here and try and defend his actions, but I understand that he is probably shackled by his \"legal defense team\".  I think only he can clear this up, and in the absence of him doing so we must rely on the courts, and the legal system to do that.  Gathering evidence is part of the process, and so far that's the only thing I see the government to be looking for.<br><br>Sure, you can make up nightmares about the government really using this entire story as a fabrication to get to Scoble, or your grandma, or whoever, but the truth is right now all we know is they want to see who torched the car.  Not too damned complicated of a situation from my perspective...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_22:31:51", "killed": false, "user_key": "8d5bac396c79513d3c14008928936c1a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647887": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I think we are ignoring a huge point here. Is this guy a journalist, or a <em>blogger</em>? There is a HUGE difference you know. Blogs are not the news. I know a lot of bloggers like to think that they are, but they are not. They are weblogs that journal opinions.<br><br>Blogging requires absolutely zero qualification.<br><br>Do press laws somehow cover blogging now too? If this is the case, then where does it stop, because any idiot can have a blog? A child can have a blog. Are children also protected by this law?<br><br>Bottomline --this guy needs to just grow up, and be a law abiding citizen like the rest of us. He needs to stop acting like a self absorbed dork.<br><br>If I saw someone commit arson to a police car, I would call the police. But that's just the type of person I am --a good person, and a law abiding citizen, who happens to contribute something <em>positive</em> to society.<br><br>How is Josh helping anyone? This is such a joke!<br><br>Robert, the government is not out to get you. The police is not your enemy. The FBI is under oath to protect you.<br><br>Robert are you an anarchist sympathizer like Josh? Wow dude, you're cool --not!<br><br>There is no conspiracy here. The <em>Man</em> is not following you. The government is concerned with prosecuting <em>crime</em>.<br><br>No rights are being violated here, except the rights of a police department, and a prosecutor, to prosecute a case in the court of law.<br><br>You act like this is Cuba or something!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_01:53:10", "killed": false, "user_key": "d1aa4e8593b0b0e63bcf5ec38739c41c", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647888": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "off topic - look how broken comments are.  This should be threaded...<br><br>anyway in response to #11 which was a response to my #8 -- the point I was making was not that media should keep their video tapes private or that governments shouldn't use information that has already been made public, as you imply with the 9/11 exmaple. But rather that journalists shouldn't be compelled to make their video tapes public.<br><br>As David Geller points out in comment #25 - maybe the federal government actually wants to see the \"anarchists\" who attended the page and the issue of the police cruiser is merely a red herring.  Perhaps Josh attended the parade as a journalist and the marchers didn't attack him, chase him off, forbid him from filming because they trusted that as a journalist he would be reporting on the event, not reporting on their identities to the government.<br><br>It is worthwhile to revisit history here for a moment (with thanks to \"A History of News\" by Mitchell Stephens):<br><br>On August 16, 1819 one of the first \"journalists\" as we would now recognize him stood on the stage at Saint Peter's Field in Manchester observing perhaps fifty thousand English men and women who had gathered there peacefully in support of parliamentary reform.  John Tyas, the reporter, was allowed to be present and observe the events because the organizers recognized that he was an independent observer - a reporter for the Times of London.  When the government moved in on the crowd with sabers and injured approximately 420 people and killed perhaps a dozen, John Tyas was able to provide an independent account that reached the rest of the nation and the world.<br><br>\"Peterloo,\" as the tragic event became known, may have been an important turning point in bringing change to the British system of government -- Our western democracies rely upon  freedom of speech to both raise dissenting questions about our government's policies and practices, and to protect that right to dissent by reporting to the public what happens to people when they raise their voices in protest.<br><br>The problem with the Josh case is that it directly infringes on this second part of freedom of speech -- the ability to report on dissent.  By giving the government carte blanche to sieze a reporter's notes, recordings, or compel him/her to testify we create an environment in which reporters are afraid to be present at such events -- both because they fear the governments long hand reaching for them and because of the fears of the people involved in dissent -- they may not want journalists to be present if they see these journalists as extensions of the government's law enforcement activities.<br><br>What are the alternatives that the Federal Government may have for prosecuting their case regarding the SFPD cruiser?  Has every avenue other than seizing Josh's video been exhausted?<br><br>Here is another question -- How much more than the cost of the cruiser has the Federal government already spent prosecuting this case? Does that say something about why they really want the video? I agree with Geller.  This is not about a police cruiser.  It is about the government pursuing dissidents.  Check out the ACLU's latest report on our governments activities spying on American's legal political activities:  <a href=\"http://aclunc.org/surveillance_report/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://aclunc.org/surveillance_report/</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_01:08:23", "killed": false, "user_key": "ec59866f8e583487d6e4aa57c5cf2d29", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647889": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "At least thanks to you and other bloggers who are paying attention, Josh has a chance of getting public support. Unfortunately there are no legal rights for anyone under the \"lawyer-paying\" income level anymore. If a blogger steps out of line, the corporate PR department simply cues the news to tell a \"scary blogger\" story. That way no pro bono lawyer will touch them, and your supposed political representatives won't get involved because no one's making phone calls on your behalf. In fact, if corporate PR makes you look like a villain, your political representatives can probably be easily swayed to help suppress your rights so they can get a shiny photo op at the expense of their vulnerable constituent.<br><br>If you're forced to represent yourself in court, the team of lawyers on the other side of the table can just lie about you with no inhibition whatsoever. In fact, in California, there's something called a \"tentative ruling\" that allows the judge to get out of reading what you have to say if he doesn't feel like it.<br><br>You can read about my story here:<br><a href=\"http://corphq.livejournal.com/60599.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://corphq.livejournal.com/60599.html</a><br><br>Because many of the problems I encountered seem systemic, I'm willing to bet that people are being deprived of their Constitutional rights every day simply because those with power can get away with it, and the media seems to think it's their job to make sure the public won't defend the rights of the individual. They simply have more of an interest in making corporations and important government figures happy. There's absolutely no one there to defend the rights of poor, uninfluential people.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_01:07:47", "killed": false, "user_key": "11e579e44b9abbdc15c730ad84703b6d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647891": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "You can also contact Josh via snailmail to send your support, though obviously a donation to his legal defense fund would by most helpful:<br><br><a href=\"http://tinyurl.com/oeob4\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://tinyurl.com/oeob4</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_21:59:32", "killed": false, "user_key": "7b38f1442adc67f3ffa9f20034cefc47", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647892": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Im surprised at the certainty most of the commenters have in this case. To act as if there aren't some justified questions in this case is a little scary. Says a lot about where we are in this country. Are we reading the same article?<br><a href=\"http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/08/01/MNGVQK97AK4.DTL\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/20...</a><br><br>First, why is this a Federal case for a local crime?<br><br>\"Prosecutors contend that burning a police car is a federal crime because the San Francisco Police Department receives federal funds. Wolf and his lawyers accuse the government of manipulating the case to sidestep California's shield law, which allows journalists to withhold unpublished material and confidential sources from prosecutors. There is no federal shield law, and the state law does not apply in federal court.\"<br><br>And second, Josh's lawyer tried to get the tapes screened privately so he could determine if there was something relevant. The judge refused.<br><br>Locally, the worry is that the FEDERAL government is trying to make sure they can ask for people's videotapes of public events to bascially keep databases of people who attend these political protests.<br><br>You think this is paranoid?<br>Look at the times we live in.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_00:52:50", "killed": false, "user_key": "f9db5767dcc598abbc2ed60e7cafdea9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647893": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I believe Josh is concerned about the rest of his \"tape\" which covered an \"anarchists\" parade. He's less concerned about the car.<br><br>My concern about this case is the \"federalizing\" of the event due to components of the car having been paid from by the Federal government.<br><br>What about our highway system. Is a speeding case on I90 suddenly allowed to take on Federal status? Could OJ's famous run from LA Police have been considered a Federal matter because our Federal monies help pave the highway system? The police visit your apartment for a loud music complaint from your neighbors. Could that be Federalized because the electrical and phone services that feed your home were all built up by the Federal Government?<br><br>Doesn't it scare any of you that this issue was, essentially, removed from the San Francisco system? The Federal government couldn't give a damn about the SFPD cruiser. They want to see who attended the parade Josh covered.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_00:03:16", "killed": false, "user_key": "7026aea0c45b6946c9765df522035c71", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647894": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Geller, you're making as much of stretch as Robert is with his \"govt breaking down your door\" scare tactic. The might be fun to argue in moot court, but this is actual court.   To answer your question, it doesn't scare me one bit. I can't believe the number of  black helicopters you and Scoble think you are seeing.<br><br>So, lemme see if I have this straight.  It's okay to ban prayer in school and in other public facilities because they receive federal funding, but it's not okay to apply the federal funding argument to other areas of the law?  Just trying to understand when and where one can and can't use the federal funding argument. I'm sure I can come up with other examples where federal funding is used to support someone pet cause.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_00:42:32", "killed": false, "user_key": "26493d7270fb206c1e08599674e51e5a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647895": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Robert, you lost some credibility in my book by taking this stance on this case.  As numerous other commenters have pointed out, he's not protecting a source, this is nothing but a grandstanding act which you seem to have bought hook, line, and sinker.  This isn't some covert undercover cop seizing things on a whim... proper procedures were followed to obtain a subpeona, and he's refusing.  You can't pick and choose when you want to follow the law.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_00:41:41", "killed": false, "user_key": "990ce9c0f5e202ae9d5fec8eaa70559d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647896": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<i>This isn\u2019t China, you know.</i><br><br>Of course somewhere in China, some blogger is probably reading this story, sipping his tea and thinking, \"Man, in the United States, they're throwing bloggers in jail for videotaping stuff in public.  What a police state....\" :-)<br><br><i>But Eddie, you are equating journalism with blogging.</i><br><br>Michael Yon's <a href=\"http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/gates-of-fire.htm\" rel=\"nofollow\">blogging from Iraq</a> is outstanding journalism.<br><br>Which might explain why it's been nominated for several Pulitzer Prizes and been reprinted in several newspapers.<br><br>He hasn't had any formal journalism training and he's not a journalist.<br><br>Brent, you raised a really good question: who is a journalist?<br><br>However, the answer you propose in this case, <a href=\"http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Credentialism\" rel=\"nofollow\">credentialism</a>, is completely wrong.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_21:21:16", "killed": false, "user_key": "67ddf598c32d0ae929852af89fa4b272", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647897": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<blockquote>Is the government allowed to just break into your home looking for evidence of a crime?</blockquote><br><br>Um, yes --with something called a court order, or a warrant. Ever heard of that? Since the <em>court</em> is <em>ordering</em> it: say it with me Robert --[it's a] COURT ORDER.<br><br>You should've been a defense lawyer instead of a geek.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-01_23:22:17", "killed": false, "user_key": "d1aa4e8593b0b0e63bcf5ec38739c41c", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647898": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Robert - time to step up here and admit it on this one - you made a mistake.  We all do it.  But there isn't any way that you can legally or morally justify NOT turning over the tape in this case.<br><br>You perhaps didn't read things closely enough, and got dragged into this argument on false assumptions on your part.  Or you saw \"Videoblogger\" and it hit too close to your heart and your emotions took over.<br><br>In any case, your position is not defensible here.  You are just wrong, and so is the fundamental argument for not providing the tapes.  This is not \"Big Government\" stepping on the little guy's rights - this is OUR Government enforcing OUR laws so that OUR rights are collectively protected.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-01_23:48:52", "killed": false, "user_key": "8d5bac396c79513d3c14008928936c1a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647899": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Normally I am very supportive of a journalist's rights to protect sources - in this case, there are no sources - just random people vandalizing things.  Who is being protected?  Not even the Journalistic Integrity, in this case - there isn't any.  There is no presumed \"expectation of privacy\" when you are burning police cars on a public street.  This one just doesn't pass the smell test.<br><br>Fight the fights worth fighting - this one is, in my opinion, like the judge said - a \"slam dunk\".<br><br>And you bet you ass if it wasn't a police car being burned, but MY car, I would certainly expect that I could use any evidence available to find the jackasses who burned it - what are they supposedly being protected FROM?  The right to abuse other people's property?  No way.  The tape should have been given over quickly, willingly, and with the integrity of a citizen doing the \"right thing\".  This isn't a case of hiding the identities of people that may disagree with their governement -- this is a case of crooks - vandals - and they should be punished, not protected.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-01_23:18:38", "killed": false, "user_key": "8d5bac396c79513d3c14008928936c1a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647900": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<a href=\"http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/02/washington/02phones.html?hp&amp;ex=1154491200&amp;en=c791ad748e380e05&amp;ei=5094&amp;partner=homepage\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/02/washington/02...</a><br><br><br>Read today's decision in the New York Times Case<br><br> a similar analogy", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-01_23:00:38", "killed": false, "user_key": "ee6128bb08f155f5682ecc0736353193", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647901": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Good grief, Scoble. Did you major in hyperbole (look it up!)?  What SOURCE would he be protecting? Brother!!!  your argument is pathetic! And as far as I'm concerned any source he would be protecting that was complicit in a crime committed against police officers deserves anything the govt. can throw at him.<br><br>Would you please provide ANY evidence that \"the govt\" did anything beyond requesting he turn over the tape?  Where the hell did you get \"breaking in\" from?<br><br>Sure, I guess it COULD HAPPEN. But, as Wayne Cambell said: \"It might happen, tsshyeah, right, and monkeys might fly out of my butt.\"", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-01_22:11:40", "killed": false, "user_key": "26493d7270fb206c1e08599674e51e5a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647902": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Warwick - you have no \"right\" of entry to the US.  Whatever their reasons, they were entitled to bar you.  You have no cause to whine, and your situation is irrelevant to the matter at hand.<br><br>If the tapes have \"other material\" on them, he could have discussed that with the Judge, and made an arrangement to release only the pertinent parts.<br><br>As it goes, he's obstructing an investigation, and is borderline an accessory after the fact.  Screw him.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-01_22:04:18", "killed": false, "user_key": "5d34c3b71473eccf2516c5d9621676c2", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647903": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I'm heartened by the fact that everything I was coming to say has been said.  Josh is clearly in the wrong, and deserves to be locked up if he wishes to continue being so.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-01_22:09:59", "killed": false, "user_key": "ab9b68cb312cb4765faeff864ffeda1d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647904": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Come on, this is ridiculous.  The guy videotaped something in public - that didn't involve confidential sources - and now he's in jail because he refuses to turn over the evidence.<br><br>He deserves it.  What an idiot.<br><br>In the end, this is what's going to happen:<br>*  He'll serve time in jail.<br>*  He'll appeal and spend $15,000 and lose - and lose badly.<br>*  He'll end up handing over the tapes.<br><br>Matt", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-01_21:58:10", "killed": false, "user_key": "85f329bde44c7411bd73ebd0ee30b191", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647905": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Come on, Robert.<br><br>There's a simple reason why he's not helping the police:  he thinks he's a rebel and he's fighting \"The Man\".  Look at his blog page.  Its all \"yeah, right, and then the fascist police came along and arrested us, yeah, right on, fight the power!\".  Most people grow out of it when they are about 15.<br><br>The fact is, there was an alledged crime and, because he can't be seen by his indymedia-reading, mask-wearing cohorts to be helping the police, he's ended up being locked away by the \"fascist regime, maaaan\".  Cry me a river.  Oh, and Robert, please don't chastise someone for suggesting a police car being burnt out is so little in comparison to a beating, and then turn around and say that asking for video tapes for a crime investigation is equivilant to a house being broken into.<br><br>Interestingly, the report mentioned the judge noted it \"involved no confidential sources\".  That means, it was a consideration in the judge's decision.  As in, if it did, it could well have affected the judgement.  Him giving over the tapes is hardly the first stepping stone towards the end of journalism.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-01_22:01:12", "killed": false, "user_key": "91a6d5aea5dce5c8364f8d6d17032a23", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647906": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "So, Ted, then I guess the govt should never have used any of the footage of the 9/11 disasters to gather evidence?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-01_20:55:19", "killed": false, "user_key": "26493d7270fb206c1e08599674e51e5a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647907": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I would have to concur with Robert about one thing...\"scary powers\".  I am supposed to be in LA right now to cover the X Games for a Canadian <a href=\"http://www.flatovercrest.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">rally website</a> and magazine.  I had all my camera gear with me and told them straight up that what I was going for (I even had assignment letters from the Canadian publications).  They ordered me inside, and did - get this - a GOOGLE search on me.  They found a post I did on the rally website that was a reprint of a team's press release.  They started making faulty assumptions that I was working for that Canadian team, and because it was sponsored by a US company, that I was technically going to the US to work for a US company.  WHAAAAT?  A) I'm not working for that team, and B) a sponsor of a company I \"work\" for has no bearing on me...I have no relationship with this US company.<br><br>Anyways, the agent locked onto the assumption that I was working for the team, wouldn't change his mind, held me in custody for 6 hours, and alternately threatened to bar me from the US for life or send me to jail to wait for a hearing.  For what?  Taking some damn photos of a sport event?  I'm sorry, but some \"authorities\" in the states have way too much power.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-01_21:01:46", "killed": false, "user_key": "8c690e2c0ba18eae93ec68454e60e40b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647908": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "We recorded Josh a week ago when he gave a press conference: <a href=\"http://ryanishungry.com/?p=12\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://ryanishungry.com/?p=12</a><br>You can see links to the original video that prompted the government to ask for his orginal tapes.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-01_21:35:16", "killed": false, "user_key": "f9db5767dcc598abbc2ed60e7cafdea9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647909": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "&gt;What does he risk losing by providing this evidence?<br><br>I don't know. But it is his private property. Is the government allowed to just break into your home looking for evidence of a crime? They don't even know he HAS evidence. Only that he MIGHT have evidence.<br><br>And how do you know that a confidential source that he was interviewing for a story isn't on the tape? We don't know why he doesn't want to hand over the tapes. Just that he doesn't want to.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-01_21:18:35", "killed": false, "user_key": "3553f5e0db0fd1ec4e40a932a2d8f5b3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647910": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Because the judge said as much. And this is hardly breaking in to any one's home. A lawful request for the evidence was made and he's refusing. That's fine, now he pays the consequences for that decision.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-01_21:28:28", "killed": false, "user_key": "29e8eaa9f0c9858504dae585afc9fc1e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647911": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "There is two interesting issues at stake here -- first, what can we as individuals ever expect to do in public that will remain private?  Why would people allegedly engaged in torching a police car ever expect that their actions were protected in any way?  If there were witnesses to their actions (human or machine, as in the case of a camera), why wouldn't the arsonists expect that these witnesses would give the government this evidence?  So folks that think that the government should have the right to see this evidence, since it was in a public place, are making a reasonable point.<br><br>However, this misses the sticky issue of how the evidence was collected.  If a recording of an event is being made and the person doing the recording is representing him or herself in the crowd as a journalist, he or she might be left alone by the perpetrators -- but if we come to expect that any recording (or observation for that matter) by a journalist is an open record for the government to peruse, will this prevent journalists from having access to events -- both through being blocked from participation and through threats of violence directed at such journalists?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-01_20:48:33", "killed": false, "user_key": "ec59866f8e583487d6e4aa57c5cf2d29", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647912": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The case is \"a slam dunk for the government,'' the judge said at the end of a 2 1/2 - hour hearing. Noting that the events Wolf photographed took place in public and involved no confidential sources, Alsup said there was a \"legitimate need for law enforcement to have direct images of who was doing what to that police car.''<br><br>\"Every person, from the president of the United States down to you and me, has to give information to the grand jury if the grand jury wants it,'' Alsup said.<br><br><br>that's the key part of the article. This isn't some abuse of government power. There's no reason he shouldn't turn over the evidence. There's nothing confidential here.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-01_20:49:03", "killed": false, "user_key": "29e8eaa9f0c9858504dae585afc9fc1e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647913": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Ridiculous.<br><br>If he was protecting an anonymous source then I'd back him all the way, but he's not. This isn't some leak about a new Apple product, he's withholding footage may allow the police to track down persons who have committed a crime. Let's say it again - A Crime.<br><br>The only difference between burning a police car and beating someone up is the magnitude of the offence. As with any citizen of a law-abiding society he has a public duty to aid the police in their enquiries, and journalist or not if it takes a court to force him to comply with those duties then so be it.<br><br>Frankly the whole thing seems like an attention getting exercise.<br><br>A.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-01_20:50:47", "killed": false, "user_key": "0163290b3bd95a0dfb748d844792765b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647914": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Brent: most of the journalists (especially the paid, professional kind) I know never went to journalism school. That isn't a prerequisite for getting a job in the industry.<br><br>I, however, DID go to J-school and it was very clear to me that there is no credential for being a journalist.<br><br>Question: did you go to journalism school? If not, why should we listen to you tell anyone what a journalist is?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_19:39:39", "killed": false, "user_key": "3553f5e0db0fd1ec4e40a932a2d8f5b3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647915": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "All I'm asking is why is it such a big deal to not show the court this video?<br><br>Perhaps they could offer him a reward.<br><br>And he is a <em>freelance</em> journalist, correct? What are the boundaries of the law, considering this?<br><br>And Robert, I understand the difference between beatings and burnings. Okay, bad example then.<br><br>Let's say someone videotapes somebody <em>burning</em> your car. Would you not want the evidence available in court? Or would you just decide not to prosecute, because they were anarchists, and you happen to sympathize with them? The insurance will pay for it so screw it! Just curious.<br><br>And Eddie, I knew that <em>one</em> of you would mention Watergate! Thank you for proving that my instincts prove to be correct (about 90% of the time). Congratulations for being \"<em>that guy</em>\"!<br><br>We're talking about a video here right? What does this have to do with \"<em>protecting sources</em>\"?<br><br>And where is the boundary between protecting a source, and protecting a <em>criminal</em>?<br><br>When it comes to crimes, I sure wish that the man that got away with murdering my Aunt, wasn't <em>protected</em>.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-01_20:38:33", "killed": false, "user_key": "d1aa4e8593b0b0e63bcf5ec38739c41c", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647917": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Great! Now we have Scoble being pretend attorney. I'm having a hard time understanding what Josh is really protecting.  What does he risk losing by providing this evidence?  A source?  His ability to gather news in the future? Can you explain this beyond standing on princple. Seems pretty silly.  He has a lot to gain (namely not getting thrown in jail and fined) and very little to lose, unless I'm missing something obvious beyond \"making a statement\"", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-01_20:23:35", "killed": false, "user_key": "26493d7270fb206c1e08599674e51e5a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647918": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "It's hard to see a justification for withholding the video. In fact I would suggest that Josh Wolf is clearly working against the common good. A reasonable person would have handed to video over without being asked. There is no source to \"protect\" only criminals. Shame on you for taking his side.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-01_20:22:42", "killed": false, "user_key": "14cb1b76282f670dc56ddd214781cdea", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647919": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Brent: why do people who are losing the argument always fall into ad hominem arguments? Sigh.<br><br>He's not doing this cause he likes\u00a0covering up a felony -- he's standing up for our rights to keep our tapes and notes to ourselves. Our disconnect on this point is huge. Have you seen the tape? Have you talked with Josh? How do you know he even has tape of a crime being committed? There are bigger issues here than that.<br><br>I understand the issues very well. You're willing to sell our rights down the river. Yes, we're on separate sides here and the fact that you got personal with me demonstrates the lengths you're willing to go.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_19:35:17", "killed": false, "user_key": "3553f5e0db0fd1ec4e40a932a2d8f5b3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647920": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Isn't that fighting for the sole principle? Cause honestly, what else does he have to win in keeping these videos from the feds?<br><br>Or rather, what does he have to lose?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-01_20:04:57", "killed": false, "user_key": "0090eedbf9ec8f1082552d4dce52cc8a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647921": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Brent: there's a big difference between someone getting beaten and a cop car getting burned. There's also a big difference between me voluntarily giving up my stuff and the government forcing it out of my hands.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-01_19:52:44", "killed": false, "user_key": "3553f5e0db0fd1ec4e40a932a2d8f5b3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647922": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Jonny: and he's on the front page of the Chronicle too, so you can bet that real journalists are paying VERY close attention to this story.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_19:29:10", "killed": false, "user_key": "3553f5e0db0fd1ec4e40a932a2d8f5b3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647923": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<blockquote>There is no credential for journalism. Deal with it.</blockquote><br><br>You have lost all credibility at this point. How can you possibly say this?<br><br>Ever heard of journalism school? College?<br><br>I guess that by this logic, anybody can be a self-appointed [place career here please].<br><br><blockquote>Stop being elitist. Or, do you feel the words \u201call men are created equal\u201d only applies to certain people who have professional credentials?<br></blockquote><br><br>Scoble, you really lost it on that phrase. What does this have to do with all <em>men are created equal</em>? We're talking about whom is protected by the law, in terms of the press not revealing a source, even when a crime has been committed.<br><br>And I happen to be someone who also stands up for the little guy. I just happen to realize the difference between the little guy who is a good person, and the little guy who sees nothing wrong with covering up a felony.<br><br>I underestimated your kookiness, I guess. I apologize for assuming that since you worked for a corporation like Microsoft, that your brain has the capacity to understand the difference in these matters. My bad.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_19:29:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "d1aa4e8593b0b0e63bcf5ec38739c41c", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647924": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Alfred: really? I see GREAT honor in sticking up for the little guy and getting him his day in court, even if he's guilty. It's what our whole legal system is based on. And why we pay for public defenders and such.<br><br>And, I'd rather be on the side of the little guy nine wrong times than be on the side of the big guy nine wrong times. The big guy can afford to be wrong. The little guy can't.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-02_19:31:16", "killed": false, "user_key": "3553f5e0db0fd1ec4e40a932a2d8f5b3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647925": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Brent: Josh is fighting for his right as a journalist to protect his unpublished footage and sources. In California, there is a shield law that allows journalists to do this.  The feds (which has no such sheild law) have decided to to make it a federal case because a city police car was allegedly burned and they claim since San Francisco gets some federal funding, that they have jurisdiction. Following that logic, just about anything can be a federal case!<br><br>If journalists have to turn over their sources, then that has a chilling effect on newsgathering as people will be much less likely to provide journalists with critical information (remember Watergate!).", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-01_19:44:49", "killed": false, "user_key": "c096eaff4f77b53b96680f789eb3c59d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647926": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Isn't he withholding evidence of a federal crime? Isn't that also a crime? How is the government using \"<em>scary powers</em>\"?<br><br>If someone videotaped you getting beaten by a mob, wouldn't you want the tape to go to the authorities to be presented as evidence?<br><br>What would it hurt for this guy, to give a copy of his tape to the court?<br><br>A better question is: what is this guy hiding, that he is willing to spend time in jail for?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-01_19:33:27", "killed": false, "user_key": "d1aa4e8593b0b0e63bcf5ec38739c41c", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647927": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "p.s. for all you freaks doing the government-worship thing, have a listen to what real cops really do for a living - terrorize people:<br><br>Bad Cop, No Donut!<br><a href=\"http://www.badcopnodonut.fm/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.badcopnodonut.fm/</a><br><br>Y'all need to get a little perspective. Just because you've always done everything you've always been told doesn't mean we all have or should have to. Somebody has to stand up for democracy. It sure as heck ain't gonna be you fascist IRS lovers.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-07_10:49:18", "killed": false, "user_key": "34cb3c03a4abefe53d8428dae4cd60a9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647928": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "and here i was thinking that the san francisco tech scene was just one big upper-class whites-only pat-ourselves-on-the-back-for-whatever-fest, and come to find out that some dude is actually taking on the gubment instead of selling out. holy cow. it's unbelievable.<br><br>now what would *really* throw me for a loop is if the 18,000 cooler-than-thou san francisco bloggers/vbloggers/mashers/geekers actually threw a fundraiser party for this dude.<br><br>redeem yourselves, Capitalists!<br><br>but seriously, though, why did this dude have to all go gettin arrested and all that stuff? i mean, doesn't he know i have a serious bandcamp or crapcamp or something or other to attend to this weekend? sheesh. some people are so inconsiderate.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-07_10:04:32", "killed": false, "user_key": "34cb3c03a4abefe53d8428dae4cd60a9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647929": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "As much regard as I have for the \"blogosphere\", we have to remember that *anyone* can create a website and blog in a matter of minutes (not  *good* blog or website, admittedly). If being a blogger is the sole qualification for being a \"journalist\" and *every* \"journalist's\" sources are to be protected, our system of criminal justice will grind to a halt pretty quickly. If SFPD gets Federal funding, I helped pay for that police car and I want the perps busted and busted hard. I have very high regard for our rights and freedoms, and they have no relationship to masked thugs riot and burn. \"The Constitution is not a suicide pact.\"", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-06_11:36:07", "killed": false, "user_key": "50a89a57ae8244b237bd55b4b3aec05b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647930": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Jay, here is the California shield law:<br><br><a href=\"http://www.ppagla.org/documents/mediaguide/04shield.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.ppagla.org/documents/mediaguide/04sh...</a><br><br>It is more heavily oriented toward members of the press than most.<br><br><br>The core problems are:<br><br>1)  Lil' Josh was acting as a spectator,<br><br>2)  He was more than willing to profit by selling some of the same material he is now claiming is confidential,  and<br><br>3)  In a balancing test, the right of a grand jury to discover information trumps that of a would-be 'journalist' to keep information secret.<br><br>As I said before, I was a journalist before going to law school.  I've given considerable thought to the issues involved.<br><br>You are, of course, free to spend time and money helping some wealthy, spoiled white kid throw a very public temper tantrum.  I prefer to give my sympathy, time and money to the disadvantaged.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-06_21:29:37", "killed": false, "user_key": "fff84bc87483c130a095dba4c2969247", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647931": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "1) Lil\u2019 Josh was acting as a spectator,<br><br>isnt this what a journalist does? youll never win the \"what is a jounalist\" argument. Its a person gathering information. If you do research, Josh works for a TV station and is very much a journalist.<br><br>2) He was more than willing to profit by selling some of the same material he is now claiming is confidential, and<br><br>again if you did research, you would know the details of the story. He posted the video to his own blog, and THEN saw the video on local news. So he sent them  a bill to teach local TV stations they cant just take people's work without compensation.<br><br>3) In a balancing test, the right of a grand jury to discover information trumps that of a would-be \u2018journalist\u2019 to keep information secret.<br><br>again, Josh has offered to let the Judge see the tapes and realize he does not have video of the attempted burning of a cop car (it did NOT burn down). The judge refuses...and you still refuse to discuss this fact.<br><br>4)As I said before, I was a journalist before going to law school. I\u2019ve given considerable thought to the issues involved.<br>You are, of course, free to spend time and money helping some wealthy, spoiled white kid throw a very public temper tantrum. I prefer to give my sympathy, time and money to the disadvantaged.<br><br>You continue to prove that you really haven't invested time in learning the facts this particular case. Your own politics blind you to the facts. I'd love to get a link to your blog do we could figure out your world. Instead you are simply \"Podesta\".", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-06_22:15:19", "killed": false, "user_key": "f9db5767dcc598abbc2ed60e7cafdea9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647932": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Hi, I was just released from prison this morning. I'm out on bail. I'm exhausted and don't have the energy to really dive into the issues brought up in this thread, but I do want to point out that it would've been virtually impossible to enter the conversation from my cell. I had no computer access while I was in jail, and wasn't even aware of this debate; so I think it's unfari to criticize me for not entering the conversation to defent myself.<br><br>I'm honored that Scoble's post sparked such a fiery debate, and I look forward to engaging in an intelligent dialogue in the coming days and weeks.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-09-02_06:11:28", "killed": false, "user_key": "ddf0d472d1ec83b0968187fbbfa0975c", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647933": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I have an interview with Josh I shot during vloggercon. Robert you are in the background. I think it's a good overview of what's going on from Josh's viewpoint.<br><br>the link is <a href=\"http://watchme.xolo.tv/index.php/2006/08/21/wmx-67-free-josh-wolf/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://watchme.xolo.tv/index.php/2006/08/21/wmx...</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-28_06:24:09", "killed": false, "user_key": "9bc980c90a30e0836ddd106107628f7e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647934": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "your right, you do not possess the right to defy a lawful subpoena, so it is not possible for you to give it away.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-23_22:20:59", "killed": false, "user_key": "0bcc3a95a6e6f2c93e854be8b579f0ad", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647935": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"Towards the end you see a supposedly Federal Marshal, gun drawn, with a laser guide, yelling 'Leave or you\u2019re going to be fucking blasted'.\"<br><br>a taser. not a gun. he was threatening to \"blast\" the rioter with a non-lethal device.<br><br>what isn't shown in the video is the situation prior to the federal agent and others rushed to the scene, wherein the officer was alone on the ground restraining a suspect while a knot of riotters gathered and attacked the officer with something which looked like a 2x4.<br><br>you should be more honest.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-23_22:16:21", "killed": false, "user_key": "0bcc3a95a6e6f2c93e854be8b579f0ad", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9647936": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"now what would *really* throw me for a loop is if the 18,000 cooler-than-thou san francisco bloggers/vbloggers/mashers/geekers actually threw a fundraiser party for this dude.\"<br><br>Excellent idea Peter! Guess what, we're throwing two.<br><br>August 19 - Cafe La Boheme:<br><a href=\"http://upcoming.org/event/98418\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://upcoming.org/event/98418</a><br><br>August 24 - House of Shields:<br><a href=\"http://upcoming.org/event/96532\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://upcoming.org/event/96532</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-14_05:18:59", "killed": false, "user_key": "c096eaff4f77b53b96680f789eb3c59d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}}, "integration": {"receiver_url": "", "theme": 4, "reply_position": true, "disqus_logo": false}, "timer": {"timer_url": "http://localhost:8005", "thread_id": "18369818", "user_id": "anonymous", "forum_id": "125200", "hash": -5588633779238611705}, "thread": {"total_posts": 0, "paginate": false, "per_page": 0, "slug": "videoblogger_jailed", "num_pages": 1, "days_alive": 0, "realtime_paused": true, "id": 18369818, "num_posts": 105, "closed": true, "queued": false, "killed": false}, "reactions_limit": 10, "context": {"show_reply": false, "use_fb_connect": true, "forum_facebook_key": "faaf467d0f47abde553c3b8e0e1b3570", "use_yahoo": false, "subscribed": false, "use_twitter_signin": true, "use_openid": false, "realtime_speed": 5000}, "reactions_start": 0, "settings": {"debug": false, "disqus_url": "http://disqus.com", "media_url": "http://media.disqus.com"}, "media_url": "http://media.disqus.com"};
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 * Dsq.Strings: UI strings
 */
Dsq.Strings = new function() {
	this.ADD_NEW_COMMENT = "Add New Comment";
	this.LOG_INTO_DISQUS = "Log into DISQUS";
	this.USE_MEDIA = "Use Media";
	this.LOGOUT = "Logout";
	this.SHARING_OPTIONS = "Sharing options";
	this.SHARE_ON = "Share on";
	this.TWEET_THIS_COMMENT = "Tweet this comment";
	this.SHARE_ON_NEWSFEED = "Share on news feed";
	this.SEND_UPDATE_TO_YAHOO = "Send update to Yahoo!";
	this.REBLOG_ON = "Reblog on";
	this.CONFIGURE_OPTIONS = "Configure options";
	this.POST_AS = "Post as";
	this.SORT_BY = "Sort by";
	this.SUBSCRIBE_BY_EMAIL = "Subscribe by email";
	this.SUBSCRIBE_BY_RSS = "Subscribe by RSS";
	this.POPULAR_NOW = "Popular now";
	this.BEST_RATING = "Best Rating";
	this.NEWEST_FIRST = "Newest first";
	this.OLDEST_FIRST = "Oldest first";
	this.HIGHLIGHTED = "Highlighted";
	this.UNSUBSCRIBE = "Unsubscribe";
	this.REQUIRED = "Required";
	this.OPTIONAL = "Optional";
	this.YOU_ARE_COMMENTING_AS_A = "You are commenting as a";
	this.LOGIN_BELOW = "Login below";
	this.PLEASE_LOGIN_BELOW_TO_COMMENT = "Please login below to comment.";
	this.SUBSCRIBE_TO_ALL_COMMENTS_BY_EMAIL = "Subscribe to all comments by email";
	this.DO_NOT_SUBSCRIBE_TO_COMMENTS = "Do not subscribe to comments";
	this.REALTIME_UPDATING_IS = "Real-time updating is";
	this.ENABLED = "enabled";
	this.PAUSED = "paused";
	this.PAUSE = "Pause";
	this.RESUME = "Resume";
	this.SHOW = "Show";
	this.JUST_NOW = "Just now";
	this.REPLY = "Reply";
	this.EDIT = "Edit";
	this.FLAG = "Flag";
	this.MODERATE = "Moderate";
	this.CANCEL = "Cancel";
	this.REPLYING_TO = "Replying to";
	this.REPORT_MISSING_REACTIONS = "Report missing reactions";
	this.POST_A_COMMENT = "Post a comment";
	this.FLAG_INAPPROPRIATE_COMMENT = "Flag inappropriate comment";
	this.FLAGGED = "Flagged";
	this.NO = "No";
	this.YES = "Yes";
	this.NEVER_MIND = "Never mind";
	this.ARE_YOU_SURE_YOU_WOULD_LIKE_TO_REPORT_THIS_COMMENT_TO_A_MODERATOR = "Are you sure you would like to report this comment to a moderator";
	this.THIS_WILL_FLAG_COMMENTS_FOR_MODERATORS_TO_TAKE_ACTION = "This will flag comments for moderators to take action";
	this.TO_RATE_PLEASE_LOG_IN = "To rate, please log in";
	this.JUST_A_MOMENT = "Just a moment...";
	this.GUEST = "Guest";
	this.NAME = "Name";
	this.EMAIL = "Email";
  this.WEBSITE = "Website";
  this.SETTINGS = "Settings";
  this.MODERATOR_OPTIONS = "Moderator options: ";
  this.MODERATE_OPTIONS = "Moderate Options";

  // Thread moderator actions
  this.CLOSE_THREAD = "Close thread";
  this.OPEN_THREAD = "Open thread";
  this.REMOVE_THREAD = "Remove thread";
  this.RESTORE_THREAD = "Restore thread";
  this.ACTIONS = "Actions";
};
// Dsq.Strings

/**
 * Dsq.FmtStrings: functions that return interpolated UI strings
 */
Dsq.FmtStrings = new function() {
	// Seems we have to use named interpolation for Django to translate. Investigate more.
	this.LOGGED_IN_AS = function(username) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate('Logged in as %(username)s', {username:username});
	};

	this.LOGOUT_FROM = function(disqus) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate('Logout from %(disqus)s', {disqus:disqus});
	};

	this.SHOWING_COMMENTS_FULL = function(total, num) {
		if (num === 1) {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> of <span id='dsq-total-posts'>%(total)s</span> comment", {num:num, total:total});
		} else {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> of <span id='dsq-total-posts'>%(total)s</span> comments", {num:num, total:total});
		}
	};

	this.SHOWING_COMMENTS_WITHOUT_PAGINATION = function(num) {
		if (num === 1) {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> comment", {num:num});
		} else {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> comments", {num:num});
		}
	};

	this.NUMBER_OF_COMMENTS = function(num) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
			(num == 1
				? '%(num)s comment'
				: '%(num)s comments'
			), {num:num});
	};

	this.NUMBER_OF_LIKES = function(num) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
			(num == 1
				? '%(num)s like'
				: '%(num)s likes'
			), {num:num});
	};

	this.NUMBER_OF_POINTS = function(num) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
			(num == 1
				? '%(num)s point'
				: '%(num)s points'
			), {num:num});
	};
};
// Dsq.FmtStrings





Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN = 'a2d140c59df8cd4ce27a20e0829cacd8';
Dsq.COMMENTS_RE = /(<li.*?id="?dsq-comment-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*?)(<\/li>)/gim;
Dsq.POST_RE = /(<div.*?id="?dsq-comment-header-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*?)(<\/div>)\s*(<div.*?class="?dsq-comment-body"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*)(<\/div>)/gim;
Dsq.POST_BODY_RE = /\s*(<div.*?id="?dsq-comment-message-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*)(<\/div>)/gim;
// HACK: Safari ends with "-->" while other browsers end with "--&gt;" as expected.
Dsq.MEDIA_POST_RE = /&lt;!--\[(.*?)\]--(?:>|&gt;)/gim;



var FragmentPacket = function(reader, writer, writer_url, is_child, receiveCallback) {
	var that = this;
	this.reader = reader;
	this.writer = writer;
	this.writer_url = writer_url;

	this.is_child = is_child || false;
	this.receiveCallback = receiveCallback;

	this._lastHash = null;

	this._accumMsg = '';

	this._lastSeqno = 0;

	this.MAX_DATA_LEN	= 1024;

	this.WAIT_TIME		= 10;

	this.READY		= 0x1;
	this.WRITING	= 0x2;
	this.FIN		= 0x4;
	this.ACK		= 0x8;

};

FragmentPacket.prototype.createListener = function() {
	var that = this;
	var listener = function() {
		that.recv();
	};
	return window.setInterval(listener, 10);
};

FragmentPacket.prototype.log = function(msg) {



};

FragmentPacket.prototype.recv = function() {
	var hash;
	if (/MSIE/.test(navigator.userAgent)) {

		hash = this.reader.name;
	} else {

		var hashIndex = this.reader.location.href.indexOf('#');
		if (hashIndex == -1) {
			return;
		}
		hash = this.reader.location.href.substring(hashIndex+1);
	}
	var flags = parseInt(hash.substring(0, 4), 10);
	var seqno = parseInt(hash.substring(4, 24), 10);
	var data  = hash.substring(24);

	if (this._lastHash !== hash) {
		this._lastHash = hash;
		this.log('recv: ' + hash);

		this.log(' flags: ' + flags);
		this.log(' seqno: ' + seqno + ' len: ' + hash.substring(4, 24).length + ' (' + hash.substring(4, 24) + ')');
		this.log(' data: ' + data + ' len: ' + data.length);

		this._lastSeqno = seqno;

		if (flags & this.WRITING) {
			this._accumMsg += data;
			this.sendFlag(this.ACK, seqno);
			if (flags & this.FIN) {
				this.log('recv finished: ' + decodeURIComponent(this._accumMsg));
				this.receiveCallback(decodeURIComponent(this._accumMsg));

				this._accumMsg = '';

				this.sendFlag(this.READY | this.ACK, this._lastSeqno);
			}
		}
	}

	return {
		flags: flags,
		seqno: seqno,
		data: data
	};
};

FragmentPacket.prototype.sendRawPacket = function(packet) {
	if (/MSIE/.test(navigator.userAgent)) {
		this.writer.name = packet;
	} else {

		this.writer.location.href = this.writer_url + '#' + packet;
	}

};

FragmentPacket.prototype.sendFlag = function(flag, seqno) {
	this.sendRawPacket(this._zerofill(flag, 4) + this._zerofill(seqno, 20));
};

FragmentPacket.prototype.send = function(msg) {
	this._send(0, encodeURIComponent(msg));
};

FragmentPacket.prototype._send = function(packetNum, msg) {
	var that = this;
	var recvBuf = this.recv();

	if (packetNum === 0) {

		if (!(recvBuf.flags & this.READY)) {
			this.log('client is not ready, waiting...');
			window.setTimeout(function() { that._send(packetNum, msg); }, this.WAIT_TIME);
			return;
		}
	} else {

		if (!( (recvBuf.flags & this.ACK) && (recvBuf.seqno === this._lastSeqno) )) {
			this.log('waiting for ack from client...');
			window.setTimeout(function() { that._send(packetNum, msg); }, this.WAIT_TIME);
			return;
		} else {
			this.log('received ack: ' + this._lastSeqno + ' ' + recvBuf.seqno);
		}
	}

	var flags = this.WRITING;
	var num_packets = Math.ceil(msg.length / this.MAX_DATA_LEN);
	this.log('num_packets: ' + num_packets);

	if (num_packets === packetNum) {

		this.log('message successfully sent!');
		this.sendFlag(this.READY | this.ACK, this._lastSeqno);
		return true;
	}

	this._lastSeqno++;

	if (packetNum == num_packets-1) {
		flags |= this.FIN;
	}

	var data = msg.substring(packetNum * this.MAX_DATA_LEN, (packetNum+1) * this.MAX_DATA_LEN);
	var packet = this._zerofill(flags, 4) + this._zerofill(this._lastSeqno, 20) + data;

	this.log('sending raw packet: ' + packet);
	this.sendRawPacket(packet);

	return this._send(packetNum + 1, msg);
};

FragmentPacket.prototype._zerofill = function(num, width) {
	var retval = num.toString();
	var retval_len = retval.length;
	for (var i = 0; i < width - retval_len; i++) {
		retval = '0' + retval;
	}
	return retval;
};

var PostMessagePacket = function(receiver, receiveCallback, id, receiverId) {
	var that = this;
	this.receiver = receiver;
	this.receiveCallback = receiveCallback;
	this.id = id;


	this.receiverId = receiverId;
};

PostMessagePacket.prototype.createListener = function() {
	var that = this;

	var listener = function(e) {

		if (!that.id) {
			that.id = e.data;
			return;
		}


		var id = e.data.split(';')[0];
		if (id !== that.id) {
			return;
		}
		var data = e.data.substring(e.data.indexOf(';') + 1);

		that.receiveCallback(data);
	};

	if (typeof window.attachEvent == 'function') {
		window.attachEvent('onmessage', listener);
	} else if (typeof window.addEventListener == 'function') {
		window.addEventListener('message', listener, false);
	} else {
		throw new Error('No method found to create event listener for PostMessagePacket.');
	}
};

PostMessagePacket.prototype.send = function(msg) {



	var needs_reget = false;
	try {
		if (typeof this.receiver.id == 'undefined' || typeof this.receiver.postMessage == 'undefined') {
			needs_reget = true;
		}
	} catch(e) {


	}
	if (needs_reget && typeof this.receiverId != 'undefined') {
		this.receiver = document.getElementById(this.receiverId).contentWindow;
	}

	var packet;
	if (!msg) {

		packet = this.id;
	} else {
		packet = this.id + ';' + msg;
	}
	this.receiver.postMessage(packet, '*');
};

PostMessagePacket._last_unique_id = null;
PostMessagePacket._get_unique_id = function() {
	var id = (new Date()).getTime();
	if (id == PostMessagePacket._last_unique_id) {
		id++;
	}
	PostMessagePacket._last_unique_id = id;
	return id.toString();
};

var JsonRpc = function() {

	this.ids = {};

	this.objectToJSON = function(obj) {
		var json = '';
		var results = [];

		if (obj === undefined || obj === null) {
			return 'null';
		}

		switch (obj.constructor) {
			case Object:
				for (var property in obj) {
					if (obj.hasOwnProperty(property)) {
						results.push(this.objectToJSON(property) + ': ' + this.objectToJSON(obj[property]));
					}
				}
				json = '{' + results.join(', ') + '}';
				break;
			case Array:
				for (var i = 0; i < obj.length; i++) {
					results.push(this.objectToJSON(obj[i]));
				}
				json = '[' + results.join(', ') + ']';
				break;
			case Number:
			case Boolean:
				json = obj.toString();
				break;
			case String:

				var specialChars = {'\b': '\\b', '\t': '\\t', '\n': '\\n', '\f': '\\f', '\r': '\\r', '\\': '\\\\'};

				json = obj.replace(/[\x00-\x1f\\]/g, function(match) {
					var ch = specialChars[match];
					return ch ? ch : '\\u00' + match.charCodeAt().toPaddedString(2, 16);
				});

				json = '"' + json.replace(/"/g, '\\"') + '"';
				break;
			default:

				json = 'null';
				break;
		}

		return json;
	};

	this.createHandler = function(send_func, registered_funcs) {
		var that = this;
		var handler = function(message) {

			try {
				var rpc = eval('(' + message + ')');
			} catch(e) {
				alert('bad JSON: ' + message);
				return;
			}
			if (rpc.method) {

				if (!registered_funcs[rpc.method]) {
					return;
				}

				var retval = registered_funcs[rpc.method].apply(null, rpc.params);
				if (rpc.id) {
					var response = {
						result: retval,
						error: null,	// TODO
						id: rpc.id
					};
					send_func(that.objectToJSON(response));
				}
			} else if(rpc.result) {

				if (!that.ids[rpc.id]) {
					return;
				}

				that.ids[rpc.id](rpc.result);
				delete that.ids[rpc.id];
			}
		};
		return handler;
	};

	this.execute = function(send_func, method, params, response_callback) {
		response_callback = response_callback || null;
		var id = (response_callback) ? (new Date()).getTime() : null;

		var request = {
			method: method,
			params: params,
			id: id
		};

		send_func(this.objectToJSON(request));

		if (id) {
			this.ids[id] = response_callback;
		}
	};
};
JsonRpc = new JsonRpc();

var ParentMessenger = function(childUrl, receiverUrl, container, receiveCallback) {


	if (navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Safari') >= 0 && parseInt(navigator.userAgent.substring(navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Version/') + 8), 10) == 3) {
		throw new Error("unsupported.");
	} else if (window.opera) {
		throw new Error("unsupported.");
	}



	if (!receiverUrl &&
		navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Gecko') >= 0 &&
		parseFloat(navigator.userAgent.slice(navigator.userAgent.indexOf('rv:') + 3, navigator.userAgent.indexOf('rv:') + 6)) < 1.9) {
		throw new Error("unsupported.");
	}


	if (/msie/i.test(navigator.userAgent) && !/opera/i.test(navigator.userAgent)) {


		if (document.domain == window.location.hostname) {
			receiverUrl = '';
		}
	}

	var that = this;
	this.childUrl = childUrl;
	this.receiverUrl = receiverUrl;
	this.container = container || document.body;

	this.packetHandler = null;


	this._ready = false;
	this._error = false;


	var _createReceiverForFragmentPacket = function() {

		that.receiver = document.createElement('iframe');
		that.receiver.src = receiverUrl;
		that.receiver.id = 'receiver_' + (new Date()).getTime();
		that.receiver.name = that.receiver.id;

		that.receiver.frameBorder = '0';
		that.receiver.frameSpacing = '0';
		that.receiver.style.borderStyle = 'none';

		var receiver_onload = function() {
			var receiver = document.getElementById(that.receiver.id).contentWindow;

			try {
				receiver.document.body.innerHTML = '';
			} catch(e) {

				that._error = true;
			}
			receiver.document.body.style.padding = '0px';
			receiver.document.body.style.margin = '0px';

			var child = receiver.document.createElement('iframe');
			child.id = 'child';
			child.name = 'child';
			child.src = that.childUrl;

			child.frameBorder = '0';
			child.frameSpacing = '0';
			child.style.borderStyle = 'none';
			child.style.width = '100%';
			child.style.height = '100%';
			receiver.document.body.appendChild(child);

			that.child = receiver.document.getElementById('child').contentWindow;
			that.receiver = receiver;

			that.packetHandler = new FragmentPacket(that.receiver, that.child, that.childUrl, false, receiveCallback);

			that._listener = that.packetHandler.createListener();

			that.packetHandler.sendFlag(that.packetHandler.READY, 0);

			that._ready = true;
		};

		that.receiver.onreadystatechange = function() {
			if (this.readyState == 'complete') {
				receiver_onload();
			}
		};

		that.receiver.onload = receiver_onload;







		if (Dsq.Utils.ie) {
			if (that.container.clientWidth === 0) {

				var _waitForWidth = function() {
					if (that.container.clientWidth > 0) {
						Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(that.container.id);
					} else {
						window.setTimeout(_waitForWidth, 100);
					}
				};
				_waitForWidth();

				that._once = false;
				that.receiver.onresize = function() {
					if (!that._once) {
						Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(that.container.id);
					}
					that._once = true;
				};
			}
		}

		that.container.appendChild(that.receiver);
	};


	var _createReceiverForPostMessage = function() {

		var receiver_onload = function() {

			that.packetHandler.send();
			that._ready = true;
		};

		var id = PostMessagePacket._get_unique_id();
		var receiverId = 'child_' + id;


		ParentMessenger['_receiver_onload_' + receiverId] = receiver_onload;

		that.container.innerHTML += '<iframe ' +
			'src="' + childUrl + '" ' +
			'id="' + receiverId + '" ' +
			'name="' + receiverId + '" ' +
			'onload="ParentMessenger._receiver_onload_' + receiverId +'();" ' +
			'></iframe>';

		that.receiver = document.getElementById(receiverId).contentWindow;
		that.packetHandler = new PostMessagePacket(that.receiver, receiveCallback, id, receiverId);
		that._listener = that.packetHandler.createListener();
	};

	if (typeof window.postMessage == 'function') {
		_createReceiverForPostMessage();
	} else {
		_createReceiverForFragmentPacket();
	}

};

ParentMessenger.prototype.sendMessage = function(message) {
	var that = this;
	if (!this._ready) {

		window.setTimeout(function() { that.sendMessage(message); }, 10);
		return;
	}
	this.packetHandler.send(message);
	return true;
};

Dsq.NewFrames = function(url) {
	this.url = url;
};

Dsq.NewFrames.prototype.init = function(onFailure) {
	var that = this;

	try {
		this.messenger = new ParentMessenger(this.url, Dsq.jsonData.integration.receiver_url, this.container, this.receive_callback);
	} catch(e) {
		if (typeof onFailure == 'function') {
			onFailure();
		}
	}

	if (typeof onFailure == 'function') {
		var iId = window.setInterval(function() {
			if (typeof that.messenger == 'undefined') {
				window.clearInterval(iId);
				return;
			}
			if (that.messenger._ready) {
				window.clearInterval(iId);
			} else if (that.messenger._error) {
				window.clearInterval(iId);
				onFailure();
			}
		}, 10);
	}
};

Dsq.NewFrames.prototype._execute = function(method, args, callback) {
	var that = this;
	if (typeof that.messenger == 'undefined') {
		return false;
	}
	JsonRpc.execute(
		function(msg) { that.messenger.sendMessage(msg); },
		method,
		args || [],
		callback);
	return true;
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame = function(container, parent_post_id) {
	var that = this;
	this.container = container;
	this.parent_post_id = parent_post_id;

	var sendFunc = function(msg) {

		Dsq.Debug.log('Dsq.ReplyFrame.sendFunc');
		that.messenger.sendMessage(msg);
	};


	var postComment_onSuccess = function(response) {
		Dsq.jsonData.posts[response.message.id] = response.message.post_meta;
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.users[response.message.post_meta.user_key]) {
			Dsq.jsonData.users[response.message.post_meta.user_key] = response.message.user_meta;
		}


		var reply_position = (typeof(disqus_insert_wrt_sort) == 'undefined' 
			? (Dsq.jsonData.forum.reply_position ? -1 : null) 
			: (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 2 ? null : -1));
		
		if (response.message.post_meta.approved) {
			Dsq.Post.insert(response.message.post_meta.parent_post_id || reply_position, response.message.id, response.message.post_meta.message);
		}

		Dsq.Templates.postComment_onSuccess(response, parent_post_id, response.message.id);
	};

	var postComment_onFailure = function(response) {
		Dsq.Popup.popModal(response.message, 'Error');
		Dsq.Templates.postComment_onFailure(response, parent_post_id, response.message.id);
	};

	var editComment_onSuccess = function(response) {
		var post_id = parent_post_id;
		var message = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + post_id);
		
		message.innerHTML = response.message;
		Dsq.Templates.toggleEdit(post_id);
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};
	
	var editComment_onFailure = function(response) {
		var post_id = parent_post_id;
		
		Dsq.Popup.popModal('Sorry, there was an error editing this comment.', 'Edit Error');
		Dsq.Templates.toggleEdit(post_id);
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};

	var getUserByEmail_onSuccess = function(response) {
		var msg = response.message;
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(parent_post_id);

		if (msg.username) {

			Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(parent_post_id, 'login', {
				'username': msg.username,
				'display_name': msg.display_name,
				'avatar_url': msg.avatar_url,
				'verified': msg.verified,
				'email': fields.email.value
			});
		} else {

			Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(parent_post_id, 'register');
		}
	};

	var validateAuth_onSuccess = function(response, auth_choice) {
		Dsq.Templates.postComment(parent_post_id, null, true, auth_choice);
	};

	var validateAuth_onFailure = function(response, auth_choice) {
		var pid = parent_post_id ? '-' + parent_post_id : '';
		var msg = response.message;

		if (auth_choice == 'register') {
			var fields = ['email', 'username', 'password'];

			for (var i = 0; i < fields.length; i++) {
				var field = fields[i];
				var errorDiv = Dsq.$('dsq-' + field + '-errors' + pid);

				if (msg[field]) {
					errorDiv.innerHTML = msg[field];
				} else {
					errorDiv.innerHTML = '';
				}
			}
		} else if (auth_choice == 'login') {
			Dsq.$('dsq-lightbox-errors' + pid).innerHTML = '<p>We couldn\'t log you in. Please verify your login.</p>';
		}
		
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};

	this.receive_callback = JsonRpc.createHandler(sendFunc, {
		'postComment.onSuccess': postComment_onSuccess,
		'postComment.onFailure': postComment_onFailure,
		'editComment.onSuccess': editComment_onSuccess,
		'editComment.onFailure': editComment_onFailure,		
		'getUserByEmail.onSuccess': getUserByEmail_onSuccess,
		'validateAuth.onSuccess': validateAuth_onSuccess,
		'validateAuth.onFailure': validateAuth_onFailure,
		'reload': function() { window.location.reload(); }
	});

	this.url = Dsq.Urls.REPLY +
		'?' + (new Date()).getTime() +
		'&f=scobleizer' +
		'&t=videoblogger_jailed' +
		'&ff=' + Dsq.Thread.ff +
		'&default_text=' + encodeURIComponent(disqus_default_text) +
		'&ifrs=' + encodeURIComponent(disqus_iframe_css);
	if (this.parent_post_id) {
		this.url += '&parent_post=' + this.parent_post_id;
	}
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype = new Dsq.NewFrames(Dsq.ReplyFrame.url);

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.post = function(author_name, author_email, author_url, authenticate, sharing_services, subscribe) {
	this._execute('postComment', [author_name, author_email, author_url, authenticate, sharing_services, subscribe]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.edit = function(post_id, message) {
	this._execute('editComment', [post_id, message]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.setState = function(parent_post_id, depth) {
	this._execute('setState', [parent_post_id, depth]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.getUserByEmail = function(email) {
	this._execute('getUserByEmail', [email]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.validateAuth = function(auth_choice, email, username, password) {
	this._execute('validateAuth', [auth_choice, email, username, password]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.authenticateFacebook = function(session, forum_url) {
	this._execute('authenticateFacebook', [session, forum_url]);
};

	Dsq.Facebook = function() {
	var that = this;

	var handleSessionData = function(session) {

		var forum_url = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;




		if (typeof disqus_facebook_forum != 'undefined') {
			forum_url = disqus_facebook_forum;
		}
		Dsq.frames.reply_0.authenticateFacebook(session, forum_url);
	};

	var onLogin = function() {
		FB.Connect.getSignedPublicSessionData(handleSessionData);
	};

	this.login = function() {
		FB.Connect.requireSession(onLogin, true);
	};
};
Dsq.Facebook = new Dsq.Facebook();


	






Dsq.Themes = {};

Dsq.Themes.narcissus = new function() {
	this.addPostContainer = 'dsq-form-area';
	this.textareaContainer = 'dsq-textarea-wrapper';



	
	this.header = function() {
		var comments_count, total_posts, num_posts;
		var html = '';
		var missing_perm_tmpl;

		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.missing_perm) {
			missing_perm_tmpl = Dsq.Templates.missingPermissions();
			if (missing_perm_tmpl) {
				html += '<div class="dsq-missing-permissions">' + missing_perm_tmpl + '</div>';
			}
		}

		total_posts = Dsq.jsonData.thread.total_posts;
		num_posts = Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_posts;

		if (total_posts) {
			comments_count = Dsq.FmtStrings.SHOWING_COMMENTS_FULL(total_posts, num_posts);
		} else {
			comments_count = Dsq.FmtStrings.SHOWING_COMMENTS_WITHOUT_PAGINATION(num_posts);
		}

		html += ' \
		<div id="dsq-comments-title"> \
			<h3>' + comments_count + '</h3> \
		</div> \
		';

		html += ' \
		<div class="dsq-options"> \
			<span class="dsq-item-sort">'
				+ Dsq.Strings.SORT_BY + ' \
				<select id="dsq-sort-select" onchange="Dsq.Thread.sortBy(this.value);"> \
					<option value="hot" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 4 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.POPULAR_NOW + '</option> \
					<option value="best" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 3 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.BEST_RATING + '</option> \
					<option value="newest" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 2 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.NEWEST_FIRST + '</option> \
					<option value="oldest" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 1 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.OLDEST_FIRST + '</option> \
				</select> \
				&nbsp; \
			</span> \
			<span class="dsq-subscribe-email"> \
				<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/email.png" style="width:12px;height:12px;vertical-align:middle"> \
				<span id="dsq-subscribe">'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.subscribed
						? '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(0); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.UNSUBSCRIBE + '</a>'
						: '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_BY_EMAIL + '</a>')
				+ '</span> \
			</span> \
			<span class="dsq-subscribe-rss" style="width:12px;height:12px;vertical-align:middle"> \
				<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/bullet-feed.png" alt="" /> \
				<a href="http://scobleizer.disqus.com/videoblogger_jailed/latest.rss">' + Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_BY_RSS + '</a> \
			</span> \
		</div> \
		';

		
		

		return html;

	};
	
	this.footer = function() {
		var html = '';

		html += Dsq.Templates.pagination();

		
		
			html += Dsq.Templates.realtime();
			html += Dsq.Templates.showThreadSettings();
			html += Dsq.Templates.postBox();

		html += Dsq.Templates.reactions();

		
			html += Dsq.Templates.trackbacks();
		


		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator) {
 			html += ' \
				<div class="dsq-global-moderator-extras">'
					+ '<strong>shortname:</strong> ' + Dsq.jsonData.forum.url
					+ '<strong>thread id:</strong> ' + Dsq.jsonData.thread.id
					+ '<strong>thread slug:</strong> ' + Dsq.jsonData.thread.slug
				+ '</div> \
			';
		}

		return html;
	};
	
	this.realtime = function() {
		var html = '';
		
		if (Dsq.jsonData.realtime_enabled) {
			html += '<div id="dsq-realtime-options" class="dsq-options">'
					 + Dsq.Strings.REALTIME_UPDATING_IS + ' <strong id="dsq-realtime-status" style="text-transform: lowercase">' + Dsq.Strings.ENABLED + '</strong>. \
					 <a href="#" id="dsq-realtime-toggle" style="text-transform: capitalize"></a> \
					</div>';
		}

		if (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
			html += ' \
				<div style="display: none" id="dsq-realtime-alert" class="dsq-realtime-alert"><span id="dsq-realtime-queued"></span> <a href="#" id="dsq-realtime-show"></a></div> \
			';
		}
		
		return html;
	};

	this.showThreadSettings = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) {
			return '';
		}

		html = '<div id="dsq-thread-settings" class="dsq-thread-settings">' + Dsq.Strings.MODERATOR_OPTIONS;
		html += '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.showSettings(); return false;">' + Dsq.Strings.SETTINGS + '</a>';
		html += '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.showModeratorActions(); return false;">' + Dsq.Strings.MODERATE + '</a>';
		if (Dsq.jsonData.forum.reactions_enabled && Dsq.jsonData.reactions.length === 0) {
			html += '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Reaction.reportMissingReactions(); return false;">'
						+ Dsq.Strings.REPORT_MISSING_REACTIONS
						+ '</a>';
		}
		html +='</div>';

		return html;
	};

	this.postBox = function(post_id, use_fallback_iframe) {


		var html;
		var display_sharing_options = Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated;

		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated && Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled && !Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post) {
			return '';
		}
		
		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote) {


			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.hasOwnProperty(Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain)) {
				display_sharing_options = false;
			}
		}
		
		if (post_id) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];				
		}
		
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';

		var _requestUserInfo = function() {
			var html;



			var user_has_email = false;

			html = '<div class="dsq-request-user-info"> <!-- // If authenticated --> \
				<a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT + '?ctkn=' + Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN + '" class="dsq-request-user-logout">' + Dsq.Strings.LOGOUT + '</a> \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td rowspan="2">'
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '<a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE + '">' : '')
								+ '<img src="' + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_AVATAR + '" width="48" height="48" class="dsq-request-user-avatar">'
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '</a>' : '')
						+ '</td> \
						<td class="dsq-request-user-name">'
								+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
									 ? '<span class="dsq-badge-small dsq-badge-' + Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain + '">' + Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain + '</span>'
									 : (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_verified
											? '<span class="dsq-badge-small dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span>'
											: '<span class="dsq-badge-small dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span>'))
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? ' <a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE + '">' : '') 
								+ Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username 
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '</a>' : '')
							+  (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote && user_has_email ? ' <small>(<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.remoteAccountSettings(); return false;">change settings</a>)</small>' : '')
							+  (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote && !Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? ' <small>(<a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/info/" target="_blank">change name</a> or <a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/avatar/" target="_blank">picture</a>)</small>' : '')
						+ '</td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-request-user-stats"> \
							<span><big>' + Dsq.jsonData.request.comments_count + '</big> ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.comments_count == 1 ? 'comment' : 'comments') + '</span> \
							<span><big>' + Dsq.jsonData.request.likes_count + '</big> ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.likes_count == 1 ? 'like' : 'likes') + '</span> \
							<span><big>' + Dsq.jsonData.request.points + '</big> ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.points == 1 ? 'point' : 'points') + '</span> \
						</td> \
					</tr> \
				</table> \
			</div> \
			';
			return html;
		};

		var _loginOptions = function() {
			var html;
			html = ' \
			<div class="dsq-authenticate"> \
				<p class="dsq-autheneticate-copy">'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
					? Dsq.Strings.YOU_ARE_COMMENTING_AS_A + ' <a class="dsq-help" title="Click for more information" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Guest</a>. ' + Dsq.Strings.OPTIONAL + ': ' + Dsq.Strings.LOGIN_BELOW + '.'
					: Dsq.Strings.REQUIRED + ': ' + Dsq.Strings.PLEASE_LOGIN_BELOW_TO_COMMENT + '.')
				+ '</p> \
				<ul class="dsq-login-buttons">'
					+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-disqus.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Facebook.login(); return false;"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-facebook.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Twitter.startTwitterConnect(); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-twitter.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.OpenID.requestURL(); return false" ><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-openid.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_yahoo ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Yahoo.startYahooConnect(); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-yahoo.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
				+ '</ul> \
			</div> \
			';
			return html;
		};

		if (!Dsq.jsonData.context.show_reply) {


			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {



				return '<div id="dsq-form-area" style="display:none"><div id="dsq-textarea-wrapper"></div></div>' + _loginOptions();
			} else {
				return '';
			}
		}

		html = ' \
		<div id="' + (post_id 
			? 'dsq-reply-post-' + post_id
			: 'dsq-new-post')
		 	+ '" class="dsq-post-area"> \
			<div class="dsq-dc-logo"> \
				<a href="http://disqus.com/comments" target="_blank"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/disqus-logo.png"></a> \
			</div>'
			+ (post_id 
				? '<h3>' + Dsq.Strings.REPLYING_TO + ' ' + userData.display_name + '</h3>'
				: '<h3>' + Dsq.Strings.ADD_NEW_COMMENT + '</h3>')
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated 
				? _requestUserInfo()
				: _loginOptions() )
			+ '<div id="dsq-form-area' + pid + '">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-textarea"> \
				<div class="dsq-textarea-wrapper" id="dsq-textarea-wrapper' + pid + '"></div> \
			</div>'
			+ (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated
			? ' \
			<div class="dsq-post-fields"> \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-left"><div class="dsq-input-wrapper"><input id="dsq-field-name' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (disqus_def_name ? disqus_def_name : (Dsq.jsonData.session.name ? Dsq.jsonData.session.name : Dsq.Strings.NAME + '" class="dsq-placeholder')) + '" onfocus="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'name\')" onblur="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'name\')" /></div></td> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-right"><div class="dsq-input-wrapper"><input id="dsq-field-website' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (Dsq.jsonData.session.url ? Dsq.jsonData.session.url : Dsq.Strings.WEBSITE + ' (' + Dsq.Strings.OPTIONAL.toLowerCase() + ')" class="dsq-placeholder') + '" onfocus="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'website\')" onblur="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'website\')" /></div></td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-left"><div class="dsq-input-wrapper"><input id="dsq-field-email' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (disqus_def_email ? disqus_def_email : (Dsq.jsonData.session.email ? Dsq.jsonData.session.email : Dsq.Strings.EMAIL + '" class="dsq-placeholder')) + '" onfocus="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'email\')" onblur="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'email\')" /></div></td> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-right"> \
							<div class="dsq-subscribe"> \
								<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.chooseSubscribe(' + post_id + '); return false" class="dsq-subscribe-menu"><span id="dsq-subscribe-select' + pid + '">' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.subscribe_on_post ? Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_TO_ALL_COMMENTS_BY_EMAIL : Dsq.Strings.DO_NOT_SUBSCRIBE_TO_COMMENTS) + '</span> <small>&#9660;</small></a> \
								<ul class="dsq-panel" id="dsq-subscribe-menu' + pid + '"> \
									<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.setSubscribe(2, this, ' + post_id + '); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_TO_ALL_COMMENTS_BY_EMAIL + '</a></li> \
									<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.setSubscribe(0, this, ' + post_id + '); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.DO_NOT_SUBSCRIBE_TO_COMMENTS + '</a></li> \
								</ul> \
								<input id="dsq-subscribe-on-post' + pid + '" type="hidden" value="' + Dsq.jsonData.request.subscribe_on_post + '" /> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
					</tr> \
				</table> \
			</div>'
			: '')
			+ '<div class="dsq-post-footer"> \
				<div class="dsq-sharing-options" ' + (!display_sharing_options ? 'style="display:none;"' : '') + '> \
					<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onfocus="document.getElementById(\'dsq-post-button' + pid + '\').focus();"><span>' + Dsq.Strings.SHARING_OPTIONS + ' <small>&#9660;</small></span></button> \
					<div class="dsq-panel"> '
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.twitter !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.twitter.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-twitter' + pid + '"'
								  + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.twitter.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-twitter' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Twitter</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.facebook
								&& (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.facebook.enabled === true ||
										(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote && Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == 'facebook'))
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-facebook' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.facebook.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-facebook' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Facebook</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.yahoo !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.yahoo.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-yahoo' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.yahoo.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-yahoo' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Yahoo!</label> \
								</div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.tumblr !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.tumblr.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-tumblr' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.tumblr.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-tumblr' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Tumblr</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.wordpress !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.wordpress.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-wordpress' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.wordpress.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-wordpress' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Wordpress</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.movabletype !== undefined
							  && Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.movabletype.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-movabletype' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.movabletype.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-movabletype' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Movable Type</label> \
							   </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.typepad !== undefined
							  && Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.typepad.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-typepad' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.typepad.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
								  <label for="dsq-sharing-typepad' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' TypePad</label> \
							   </div>'
							: '')
						+ '<div><a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/connections/" target="_blank" class="dsq-configure-options">' + Dsq.Strings.CONFIGURE_OPTIONS + '</a></div>'
					+ '</div> \
				</div>'
				+ '<button type="button" class="dsq-button" id="dsq-post-button' + pid + '" onclick="Dsq.Templates.postComment(' + post_id + ', this, false)"><span>' + Dsq.Strings.POST_AS + ' '
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username
					? Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username
					: Dsq.Strings.GUEST)
				+ '</span></button>'
				+ (post_id
					? '<button type="button" class="dsq-button" id="dsq-cancel-button' + pid + '" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleReply(' + post_id +', this)"><span>' + Dsq.Strings.CANCEL + '</span></button>'
					: '')
			+ '</div>'
			+ '</div>' // end dsq-form-area
		+ '</div> \
		';
		
		return html;
	};




	this.appendPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="dsq-append-post-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.postPrependHeader = function(post_id) {
		var html;
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		
		html = ' \
		<table> \
			<tr> \
				<td id="dsq-header-avatar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-header-avatar" onmouseover="Dsq.Post.dropProfile(' + post_id + ')"> \
					<a id="dsq-avatar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-avatar" href="' + userData.url + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.show_avatar
					? '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key].avatar + '" alt="" />'
					: '')
				+ '</a> \
				</td> \
				<td class="dsq-comment-header-meta"> \
		';

		
		return html;
	};
	
	this.postAppendHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var html;
		var parent_display_name = '';
		
		if(_meta.parent_post_id) {

			var _parent_meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[_meta.parent_post_id];

			if (_parent_meta) {
				var parentUserData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_parent_meta.user_key];
				parent_display_name = parentUserData.display_name;
			}
		}

		html = ' \
		<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/moderator.png" class="dsq-moderator-star" title="Moderator" /> \
		<span class="dsq-comment-header-time"><a href="#comment-' + post_id + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.permalink(' + post_id + ')" title="Permalink">' + (_meta.is_realtime ? Dsq.Strings.JUST_NOW : _meta.date) + '</a></span> '
		+ (_meta.parent_post_id && parent_display_name
			? '<a href="#comment-' + _meta.parent_post_id + '" title="Jump to comment">in reply to ' + parent_display_name + '</a>'
			: '')
		+ '</td> \
		<td id="dsq-like-pts-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-comment-header-likes">'
		+ (_meta.points
			? _meta.points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(_meta.points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this.'
			: '')
		+ '</td> \
		</tr> \
		</table> \
		';
		return html;
	};

	this.preBody = function(post_id) {
		var html = '';
		return html;
	};

	this.postFooter = function(post_id) {
		var html;
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		if(_meta.killed || !_meta.approved) { return ''; }
		
		html = ' \
		<div class="dsq-comment-footer" id="dsq-comment-footer-' + post_id + '"> \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer-left">'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator
					? '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.moderateOptions(' + post_id+ '); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.MODERATE + '</a>'
					: '')
				+ '<a href="#" id="dsq-post-report-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-post-report" onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + post_id + ', false); return false;">' + Dsq.Strings.FLAG + '</a> \
			</div> \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer-right">'
				+ (_meta.votable 
					? '<span id="dsq-like-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-like">'
					+ (!_meta.up_voted
						? '<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onclick="Dsq.Post.rate(this, ' + post_id + ', 1)" >Like</button>'
						: 'You liked this.&nbsp;&nbsp;')
					+ '</span>'
					: '')
				+ (_meta.can_reply && !_meta.has_replies && _meta.from_request_user
					? '<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small dsq-post-edit" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + ')" >' + Dsq.Strings.EDIT + '</button>'
					: '')
				+ (_meta.can_reply
					? '<span class="dsq-comment-footer-reply" id="dsq-comment-footer-reply-' + post_id + '" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleReply(' + post_id +', this)"> \
						<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small">' + Dsq.Strings.REPLY + '</button> \
						<button type="button" class="dsq-comment-footer-reply-tab">' + Dsq.Strings.REPLY + '</button><span></span> \
					</span>'
					: '')
			+ '</div> \
		</div> \
		';
		
		return html;
	};



	
	this.showRetweets = function(id, limit, element_id /* Optional */) {
		var source, html = '';

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			if (reaction.id === id) {
				source = reaction.retweets;
			}
		}

		if (source) {
			if (limit === 0) {
				limit = source.length;
			}

			for (var j = 0; j < limit; j++) {
				var rt = source[j];
				html += '<a href="' + rt.url + '">' + rt.author_name + '</a>'	+ ((j === (limit - 1)) ? '.' : ', ');
			}
		}

		if (element_id === undefined) {
			return html;
		}

		var element = document.getElementById(element_id);
		element.innerHTML = html;
		return element;
	};

	this.showMoreReactions = function(reactions, has_more, start, limit) {
		var link = document.getElementById('dsq-show-more-reactions');
		var container = link.parentNode;
		container.removeChild(link);

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = reactions[i]; i++) {
			var el = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (el) {
				container.innerHTML += el;
			}
		}

		if (has_more) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = start;
			var l = limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			container.innerHTML += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions" class="dsq-show-more-reactions"><button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</button></li>';
		}
	};

	this.generateReactionHTML = function(reaction) {
		if (reaction.body === null || reaction.body == '') {
			return;
		}

		if (reaction.author_name === '') {
			reaction.author_name = '&nbsp;';
		}

		if (reaction.url === '') {
			reaction.url = reaction.get_service_url;
		}

		var item = '<li class="dsq-comment dsq-reaction" id="dsq-reaction-' + reaction.id + '">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-comment-header"> \
			<table> \
			<tr> \
			<td class="dsq-header-avatar"> \
			';

		if (reaction.author_url && reaction.author_url !== '') {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="' + reaction.author_url +'" class="dsq-avatar">';
		}

		if (reaction.avatar_url && reaction.avatar_url !== '') {
			item += '<img src="' + reaction.avatar_url + '"/>';
		} else {

			item += '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/noavatar92.png"/>';
		}

		var service_icon = (reaction.get_service_name == 'trackback' || reaction.get_service_name == 'pingback' ? 'rss' : reaction.get_service_name.replace(' ', ''));
		item += (reaction.author_url && reaction.author_url !== ''
				? '</a>'
				: '')
			+ '</td>'
			+ '<td><cite class="dsq-comment-cite">' + reaction.author_name + '</cite> <span class="dsq-comment-header-time">' + reaction.date_created + '</span></td>'
			+ '<td class="dsq-comment-header-likes"></td>'
			+ '</tr></table></div>' // end dsq-comment-header
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-header" \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-reaction-header-left">'
							+ '<img class="dsq-service-icon" src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/reactions/services/' + service_icon + '.png" />'
							+ ' From <a class="dsq-service-name" target="_blank" href="' + reaction.url + '">' + reaction.get_service_name + '</a> '
							+ 'via <a href="' + reaction.source_url + '">' + (reaction.source == 'backtype' ? 'BackType' : 'UberVU') + '</a>'
						+ '</td>'
						+ '<td class="dsq-reaction-header-right">';

			if(reaction.retweets) {
				var num_retweets = reaction.retweets.length;
				if (num_retweets > 0) {
					if (num_retweets == 1) {
						item += 'One more retweet from <a href="' + reaction.retweets[0].url + '">'  + reaction.retweets[0].author_name + '</a>';
					} else {
						item += (num_retweets + ' more retweets from ');
						item += '<span id="dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '">';
						var n_tweets = (num_retweets > 3) ? 3 : num_retweets;
						item += Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(reaction.id, n_tweets);
						if (n_tweets != num_retweets) {
							item += '</span> <a onclick="Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(' + reaction.id + ', 0, \'dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '\');'
								+ 'this.parentNode.removeChild(this); return false;" href="#">Show all</a>';
						}
					}
				}
			}	
			item += '</td></tr> \
			</table> \
			</div>' // end dsq-reaction-header
			+ '<div class="dsq-comment-body"> \
				<div class="dsq-comment-message">' + reaction.body + '</div>'
			+ '</div> \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer"> \
				<div class="dsq-comment-footer-left"> \
				</div>'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator 
					? ' \
					<div class="dsq-comment-footer-right"> \
						<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small dsq-hide-reaction" onclick="Dsq.Reaction.hide(' + reaction.id + ')">Hide</button> \
					</div>'
					: '')
			+ '</div>'
		item += '</li>'; /* Reaction HTML ends */
		return item;
	};

	this.reactions = function() {
		var html, reaction;

		if (Dsq.jsonData.reactions === undefined || Dsq.jsonData.reactions.length === 0) {
			return '';
		}

		html = '';
		for (var i = 0; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			var item = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (item) {
				html += item;
			}
		}

		if (Dsq.jsonData.has_more_reactions) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_start;
			var l = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			html += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions" class="dsq-show-more-reactions"><button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</button></li>';
		}

		return '<h3 id="dsq-reactions-title" class="dsq-h3-reactions">Reactions</h3><ul id="dsq-reactions" class="dsq-reactions">' + html + '</ul>';
	};
	
	this._popupGeneric = function(content) {
		return ' \
		<div class="dsq-popup-container"> \
			<table> \
				<tbody> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-tl"></td><td class="dsq-popup-b"></td><td class="dsq-popup-tr"></td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-b"></td> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-body"> \
							<div class="dsq-popup-content"> \
								<div class="dsq-popup-title"> \
									<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" style="float:right" onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true)">Close</button>'
									+ content['header'] 
								+ '</div>'
								+ content['body']
							+ '</div> \
							<div class="powered-by"><a href="http://disqus.com/comments/">Powered by <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-logo.png" alt="Disqus Comments" style="margin-bottom:-5px" /></a></div> \
						</td> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-b"></td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-bl"></td><td class="dsq-popup-b"></td><td class="dsq-popup-br"></td> \
					</tr> \
				</tbody> \
			</table> \
		</div> \
		';
	};



	
	this.chooseSubscribe = function(post_id) {

		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var menu = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-menu' + pid);
		
		menu.style.display = menu.style.display == 'block' ? 'none' : 'block';
		
	};
	
	this.setSubscribe = function(value, el, post_id) {

		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var input = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-on-post' + pid);
		var select = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-select' + pid);
		var menu = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-menu' + pid);
		
		select.innerHTML = el.innerHTML;
		input.value = value;
		this.chooseSubscribe(post_id);
	};
	
	this.getFormFields = function(post_id) {

		var fields = {};
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var name = Dsq.$('dsq-field-name' + pid);
		var email = Dsq.$('dsq-field-email' + pid);
		var website = Dsq.$('dsq-field-website' + pid);
		var username = Dsq.$('dsq-field-username' + pid);
		var password = Dsq.$('dsq-field-password' + pid);

		fields = {
			'name': name,
			'email': email,
			'website': website,
			'username': username,
			'password': password
		}
		
		return fields;
	}
	
	this.validateFields = function(post_id) {
		
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) { return true; }
		
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		
		var nameField = fields.name;
		var websiteField = fields.website;
		var emailField = fields.email;
		
		websiteField.value = (websiteField.value == Dsq.Templates.placeholder['website']) ? '' : websiteField.value;
		
		var v = [{

			validator: Dsq.Validators.name,
			value: nameField.value
		}, {

			validator: Dsq.Validators.email,
			value: emailField.value
		}, {

			validator: Dsq.Validators.url,
			value: websiteField.value
		}];
		
		return Dsq.Validators.validate(v, function(e) { Dsq.Popup.popModal(e, 'Oops...') } );
	};
	
	this.checkExistingUser = function(post_id) {
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);		
		Dsq.Popup.loading(post_id);
		
		if (post_id) {
			Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].getUserByEmail(fields.email.value);
		} else {
			Dsq.frames['reply_0'].getUserByEmail(fields.email.value);
		}
	};

	this.validateAuth = function(el_clicked, post_id, auth_choice) {
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		var email = fields.email ? fields.email.value : '';
		var username = fields.username ? fields.username.value : '';
		var password = fields.password ? fields.password.value : '';
		
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked, post_id);
		
		if (post_id) {
			Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].validateAuth(auth_choice, email, username, password);
		} else {
			Dsq.frames['reply_0'].validateAuth(auth_choice, email, username, password);
		}
	};

	this.lightboxUpdateEmail = function(post_id, new_email) {
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		fields.email.value = new_email;
	};

	this.lightboxAuthenticate = function(post_id, auth_choice, auth_data) {
		var title, body;
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';

		if(typeof(auth_data) == 'undefined') {
			var auth_data = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		}

		d = auth_data;

		switch(auth_choice) {
			case 'register':
				var suggestedUsername = d.name.value.replace(/[^a-zA-Z0-9-]/g,'').toLowerCase();
			
				title = Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post ? 'Optional:' : 'Required:';
				title += ' Register a <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-profile.png" alt=Disqus Profile" />';

				body = ' \
				<ul class="dsq-lightbox-register-reasons"> \
				<li>Verify your comments</li> \
				<li>Edit and delete comments</li> \
				<li>Manage comments and replies</li> \
				</ul> \
				';

				body += ' \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-fields"> \
					<table> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Email</td> \
							<td><input type="text" value="' + d.email.value + '" onchange="Dsq.Templates.lightboxUpdateEmail(' + post_id + ', this.value)" /><div id="dsq-email-errors' + pid + '"></div></td> \
						</tr> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Username</td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-username' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + suggestedUsername + '"/><div id="dsq-username-errors' + pid + '"></div></td> \
						</tr> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Password</td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-password' + pid + '" type="password" /><div id="dsq-password-errors' + pid + '"></div></td> \
						</tr> \
					</table> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-switch-auth"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(' + post_id + ',\'login\'); return false">Login instead</a></div> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-lightbox-errors' + pid + '" class="dsq-lightbox-errors"></div> \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-submit"> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-post"><button type="button" class="dsq-button" onclick="Dsq.Templates.validateAuth(this, ' + post_id + ',\'' + auth_choice + '\')">Register and Post comment</button></div>'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
						? '<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-skip"><button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onclick="Dsq.Templates.postComment(' + post_id + ', this, true)">Just post as a Guest</button></div>'
						: '')
				+ '</div> \
				';
				break;
			case 'login':
				title = Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post ? 'Optional:' : 'Required:';
				title += ' Login to your <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-profile.png" alt=Disqus Profile" />';
				body = '';
				
				if(d.avatar_url) {
					body += '<div class="dsq-lightbox-recognized"><table><tr>';
					body += '<td><img src="' + d.avatar_url + '" alt="" /></td>';
					body += '<td><span class="dsq-badge ' + (d.verified ? 'dsq-badge-verified' : 'dsq-badge-registered') + '">' + (d.verified ? 'Verified' : 'Registered') + '</span></td>';
					body += '<td>Hey <strong>' + d.display_name + '</strong>, is that you? Login below to claim this comment.';
					body += '</tr></table></div>';
				}

				body += ' \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-fields"> \
					<table> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Username or Email</td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-username' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (d.avatar_url ? d.username : '') + '" /></td> \
						</tr> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Password <a href="http://disqus.com/forgot" target="_blank">(cannot log in?)</a></td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-password' + pid + '" type="password" /></td> \
						</tr> \
					</table> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-switch-auth"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(' + post_id + ',\'register\'); return false">Register instead</a></div> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-lightbox-errors' + pid + '" class="dsq-lightbox-errors"></div> \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-submit"> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-post"><button type="button" class="dsq-button" onclick="Dsq.Templates.validateAuth(this, ' + post_id + ',\'' + auth_choice + '\')">Login and Post comment</button></div>'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
						? '<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-skip"><button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onclick="Dsq.Templates.postComment(' + post_id + ', this, true)">Just post as a Guest</button></div>'
						: '')
				+ '</div> \
				';
				break;
			default:
				break;
		}
		Dsq.Popup.lightbox(body, title, post_id);
		Dsq.$('dsq-field-username' + pid).focus();
	};
	
	this.buttonsToRestore = [];
	this.setLoadingButton = function(btn, post_id) {
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		if (btn) {

			var loadingBtn = document.createElement('button');
			loadingBtn.id = btn.id + '-loading';
			loadingBtn.innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-lite.gif" alt="" /> ' + Dsq.Strings.JUST_A_MOMENT;
			loadingBtn.className = btn.className + ' dsq-post-loading';
			btn.parentNode.appendChild(loadingBtn);
			btn.style.display = 'none';
			var cancelBtn = Dsq.$('dsq-cancel-button' + pid);
			if(cancelBtn) { cancelBtn.style.display = 'none'; this.buttonsToRestore.push(cancelBtn); }
			this.buttonsToRestore.push(btn);
		} else {

			var buttons = this.buttonsToRestore;
			for(var i = 0; i < buttons.length; i++) {
				buttons[i].style.display = 'inline';
				Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(Dsq.$(buttons[i].id + '-loading'));
			}
		}
		
	};

	this.postComment = function(post_id, el_clicked, force, auth_choice) {
		var append_id = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);

		if (Dsq.Templates.validateFields(post_id)) {

			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated && !force &&
				((!Dsq.Utils.readCookie('skipped_auth') && !disqus_skip_auth && !Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled) || !Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post)) {
				Dsq.Templates.checkExistingUser(post_id);
				return false;
			}
			var params = [];
			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
				params.push(fields.name.value,
					fields.email.value,
					fields.website.value);

				if (auth_choice == 'login' || auth_choice == 'register') {
					params.push({
						auth_choice: auth_choice,
						username: fields.username.value,
						password: fields.password.value,
						email: fields.email.value
					});
				} else {
					params.push(null);
				}

				params.push(null /* sharing options */, Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-on-post' + append_id).value);
			} else {
				var service_checked = function(name) {
					var el = Dsq.$('dsq-sharing-' + name + append_id);
					return (el !== null && el.checked === true) ? '1' : '0';
				};
				params.push(null, null, null, null, {
					tw: service_checked('twitter'),
					fb: service_checked('facebook'),
					tr: service_checked('tumblr'),
					wp: service_checked('wordpress'),
					mt: service_checked('movabletype'),
					tp: service_checked('typepad'),
					yh: service_checked('yahoo')
				});
			}

			var frame = Dsq.frames['reply_' + (post_id ? post_id : 0)];
			frame.post.apply(frame, params);

			if (el_clicked) {
				Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked, post_id);
			}
			
			if (force) {
				Dsq.Utils.createCookie('skipped_auth', true);	
			}
			
		} else {
			return false;
		}
	};

	this.editComment = function(el_clicked, post_id) {
		var edited_message = Dsq.$('dsq-edit-textarea-' + post_id).value;

		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked, post_id);
		Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id].edit(post_id, edited_message);
	};

	this.toggleEdit = function(post_id) {
		var body = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-body-' + post_id);
		var message = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + post_id);

		if (!Dsq.Post.stateEditToggled[post_id]) {


			message.style.display = 'none';
			if (Dsq.$('dsq-edit-' + post_id)) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-edit-' + post_id).style.display = 'block';
			} else {

				var edit_area = document.createElement('div');
				edit_area.id = 'dsq-edit-' + post_id;
				edit_area.className = 'dsq-edit dsq-textarea';
				edit_area.innerHTML = ' \
				<div class="dsq-textarea-wrapper"> \
					<textarea class="dsq-edit-textarea" id="dsq-edit-textarea-' + post_id + '">' + message.innerHTML + '</textarea> \
				</div> \
				<div class="dsq-save-edit"> \
					<button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Templates.editComment(this, ' + post_id + ')" class="dsq-button-small">Save Edit</button> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-edit-iframe-' + post_id + '" style="display: none"></div> \
				';

				body.appendChild(edit_area);

				if (!Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id]) {
					var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
					Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id] = new Dsq.ReplyFrame(Dsq.$('dsq-edit-iframe-' + post_id), post_id);
					Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id].init();
					Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id].setState(post_id, _meta.depth);
				}
			}
		} else {

			message.style.display = 'block';
			Dsq.$('dsq-edit-' + post_id).style.display = 'none';
		}
		
		Dsq.Post.stateEditToggled[post_id] = !Dsq.Post.stateEditToggled[post_id];
	};
	
	this.edit = function(el, post_id) {

		Dsq.Templates.toggleEdit(post_id);
	};

	this.toggleReply = function(post_id, button) {
		
		if(!this.stateReplyToggled[post_id]) {

			if (Dsq.$('dsq-reply-post-' + post_id)) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).style.display = 'block';
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.postBox(post_id);
				var container = Dsq.$('dsq-textarea-wrapper-' + post_id);
				if (!Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id] && container) {
					var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id] = new Dsq.ReplyFrame(container, post_id);
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].init(function() {

						Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.postBox(post_id, true);
						Dsq.$('dsq-form-area-' + post_id).innerHTML = '';

						var theme = (typeof disqus_frame_theme == 'undefined') ? 'default' : disqus_frame_theme;
						Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(Dsq.$('dsq-form-area-' + post_id), post_id, {theme: theme});

					});
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].setState(post_id, _meta.depth);
				}
			}
			Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).className = 'dsq-append-post';
			Dsq.$('dsq-comment-footer-reply-' + post_id).className = 'dsq-comment-footer-reply-active';
			
		} else {

			Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).style.display = 'none';
			Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).className = '';
			Dsq.$('dsq-comment-footer-reply-' + post_id).className = 'dsq-comment-footer-reply';
		}
		
		this.stateReplyToggled[post_id] = !this.stateReplyToggled[post_id];

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie && this.stateReplyToggled[post_id]) {

		}

		Dsq.Events.fire(Dsq.Events.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED, {
			postId: post_id,
			opened: this.stateReplyToggled[post_id]
		});
	};
	
	this.moderateOptions = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		
		if(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator && !Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator) { return false; }

		var html;
		
		html = ' \
		<div class="dsq-moderate-options"> \
		<table>'
		+ (_meta.email ? '<tr><td>Email</td><td>' + _meta.email + '</td></tr>' : '')
		+ (_meta.ip ? '<tr><td>IP address</td><td>' + _meta.ip + '</td></tr>' : '')
		+ '<tr> \
			<td>Actions</td> \
			<td><ul>'
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.moderator_can_edit
				? '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false;">Edit Comment</a></li>'
				: '')
			+ '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.removePost(' + post_id + ', 1); Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false;">Delete Comment</a></li> \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.reportSpam(' + post_id + '); Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false;">Mark Spam</a></li> \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.blacklist(' + post_id + '); return false">Block User</a></li> \
			</ul></td> \
			</table> \
		</div> \
		';
		
		html += '<p>Go to the full <a href="http://disqus.com/comments/moderate/" target="_blank">moderate panel</a> for more options.</p>';
		
		return Dsq.Popup.popModal(html, 'Moderate Options', post_id);
	};
	
	this.placeholder = {
		'class': 'dsq-placeholder',
		'name': Dsq.Strings.NAME,
		'email': Dsq.Strings.EMAIL,
		'website': Dsq.Strings.WEBSITE + ' (' + Dsq.Strings.OPTIONAL.toLowerCase() + ')'
	};
	
	this.handlePlaceholder = function(evt, el, key) {
		var placeholder = Dsq.Templates.placeholder[key];
		var className = Dsq.Templates.placeholder['class'];
		
		switch(evt.type) {
			case 'focus':
				if(el.value == placeholder) {
					el.value = '';
					el.className = '';
				}
				break;

			case 'blur':
				if(el.value == '') {
					el.value = placeholder;
					el.className = className;
				}
				break;
			default:
				break;
		}
	};
	
	this.paginate = function(page, el_clicked) {

		var extra_params = '';

		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined') {
			extra_params += '&per_page=' + disqus_per_page;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_sort != 'undefined') {
			extra_params += '&sort=' + disqus_sort;
		}

		Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML += '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
		
		if(el_clicked) {
			Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked);
		}
		
		Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'videoblogger_jailed'
			+ '&p='		+ page
			+ extra_params);
	};
	
	
	this.rate = function(el, id, vote) {


		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_votes) {
			if(vote == 1) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-like-' + id).innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
			}
			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/vote.js'
				+ '?post_id='    + id
				+ '&vote='        + vote);
		} else {
			Dsq.Popup.login('To rate, please log in');
		}
	};

	this.voted = function(post_id, points, vote) {

		Dsq.$('dsq-like-pts-' + post_id).innerHTML = points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this.';

		if(vote) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-like-' + post_id).innerHTML = 'You liked this.&nbsp;&nbsp;';
		}
	};




	this.postComment_onSuccess = function(response, parent_post_id, post_id) {
		var approved = response.message.post_meta.approved;

		if (parent_post_id) {
			Dsq.Post.toggleReply(parent_post_id);
		}

		Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);
		
		if (approved) {
			Dsq.Post.incrementPostCount();
			Dsq.Post.outlineComment(post_id);
		} else {			
			var unapproved_msg = 'Thanks for posting!\
	 Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.\
			';
			Dsq.Popup.popModal(unapproved_msg, 'Comment awaiting approval', post_id);
		}

		var sharing_results = response.message.sharing_results;
		var sharing_errors = '';
		for (var service in sharing_results) {
			if (sharing_results.hasOwnProperty(service) === true) {
				if (sharing_results[service].error === true) {
					sharing_errors += service + ', ';
				}
			}
		}

		if (sharing_results.facebook && sharing_results.facebook.callback) {
			FB.ensureInit(function() {
				FB.Connect.streamPublish('', sharing_results.facebook.attachment);
			});
		}

		if (sharing_errors !== '') {
			var message = 'Your comment was posted, but there were errors sharing with the following connections: ';
			message += sharing_errors.replace(/,\s$/, '');
			message += '<p><a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/connections" target="_blank">Configure your connections here</a></p>'
			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, 'Sharing options');
		}

		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};

	this.postComment_onFailure = function(response, parent_post_id, post_id) {

		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};
};




// TODO: It might be faster to use string methods to find all <li (...) </li> blocks and pass to Dsq.PostHandler manually.
Dsq.CommentsHandler = function(str, head, post_id, content, tail, offset, s) {
	var prepend_post = Dsq.Templates.prependPost(post_id);
	var append_post = Dsq.Templates.appendPost(post_id);

	content = content.replace(Dsq.POST_RE, Dsq.PostHandler);
	Dsq.Templates.postLoopCounter++;
	head = Dsq.Templates.Filters.commentContainer(post_id, head);
	return prepend_post + head + content + tail + append_post;
};

Dsq.PostHandler = function(str, h_head, post_id, h_content, h_tail, b_head, b_content, b_tail, offset, s) {
	var prepend_header = Dsq.Templates.postPrependHeader(post_id);
	var append_header = Dsq.Templates.postAppendHeader(post_id);
	var prepend_body = Dsq.Templates.preBody(post_id);
	var append_body = Dsq.Templates.postBody(post_id);
	var append_footer = Dsq.Templates.postFooter(post_id);

	b_content = b_content.replace(Dsq.POST_BODY_RE, Dsq.PostBodyHandler);
	return h_head + prepend_header + h_content + append_header + h_tail + b_head + prepend_body + b_content + append_body + b_tail + append_footer;
};

Dsq.PostBodyHandler = function(str, head, post_id, content, tail, offset, s) {
	content = Dsq.Templates.Filters.commentContent(post_id, content);
	return head + content + tail;
};

Dsq.MediaPostHandler = function(str, args, offset, s) {
	args = args.split(' ');
	if(args[0] == 'seesmic') {
		return '<br />' + Dsq.Templates.mediaSeesmic(args[1], args[2]);
	}
	return '';
};


/**
 * Shorcuts
 */
Dsq.$ = function(element) { return document.getElementById(element); };
Dsq.$b = document.body || document.getElementsByTagName('body')[0];


/**
 * Dsq.Debug: Logging functions.
 */

Dsq.Debug = new function() {this.log=function(s){};this.profile=function(f){if(typeof f == 'function')return f();else return eval(f);};};


/**
 * Dsq.Urls: URL paths
 */
Dsq.Urls = new function() {
	this.LOGIN = '/profile/login/';
	this.LOGOUT = '/logout/';
	this.REPLY = 'http://scobleizer.disqus.com/videoblogger_jailed/reply.html';
	this.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE = '/AnonymousUser/';
	this.REQUEST_USER_AVATAR = 'http://media.disqus.com/images/noavatar92.png';
};
// Dsq.Urls

/**
 * Dsq.Validators: Validation for form fields
 */
Dsq.Validators = new function() {
	this.VALID_EMAIL_RE = /^[a-z0-9\-\_\+]+(\.[a-z0-9\-\_\+]+)*\@(([a-z0-9\-\_\+]+(\.[a-z0-9\-\_\+]+)*)+\.[a-z]{2,}|([0-9]+\.){3}[0-9]+)$/i;
	this.name = function(name) {
		var error = false;

		if(typeof Dsq.Templates.placeholder !== 'undefined' &&
		   name == Dsq.Templates.placeholder.name) {
			error = true;
		}
		if(name.length <= 1) {
			error = true;
		}

		if(error) {
			return "Please enter a name to comment.";
		} else {
			return true;
		}
	};
	this.email = function(addr) {
		if(Dsq.Validators.VALID_EMAIL_RE.test(addr)) {
			return true;
		} else {
			return "Please enter a valid email to comment.";
		}
	};
	this.url = function(addr) {
		if(!addr || addr.indexOf('.') != -1) {
			return true;
		} else {
			return "Please check your website URL (this field is optional).";
		}
	};

	this.validate = function(bulk_validation, failure_callback) {
		failure_callback = failure_callback || function(e){ alert(e); };

		for(var i = 0; i < bulk_validation.length; i++) {
			v = bulk_validation[i];
			ret = v.validator(v.value);
			if(ret !== true) {
				failure_callback(ret);
				return false;
			}
		}
		return true;
	};
};

/**
 * Dsq.Utils: Generic utility functions.
 */
Dsq.Utils = new function() {
	this.ie = /msie/i.test(navigator.userAgent) && !/opera/i.test(navigator.userAgent);
	this.ie7 = (document.all && !window.opera && window.XMLHttpRequest) ? true : false;
	this.ie6 = (!window.XMLHttpRequest) ? true: false;
	this.webkit = navigator.userAgent.indexOf('AppleWebKit/') >= 0;
	this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache = {};
	this._styleSheet = null;

	this.gebiFromElement = function(el, id, tag) {
		// This only method only helps IE.
		if(!this.ie) {
			return Dsq.$(id);
		} else {
			var cacheKey = el.id + '-' + tag;
			tag = tag || 'div';
			if(typeof this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache[cacheKey] != 'undefined') {
				collection = this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache[cacheKey];
			} else {
				collection = el.getElementsByTagName(tag);
				this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache[cacheKey] = collection;
			}

			for(var i = 0; i < collection.length; i++) {
				if(collection[i].id == id) {
					return collection[i];
				}
			}
			return null;
		}
	};

	this.execOnReady = function(func) {
		var node = document.createElement('document:ready');
		try {
			node.doScroll('left');
			func();
			node = null;
		} catch(err) {
			setTimeout(function() { Dsq.Utils.execOnReady(func); }, 10);
		}
	};


	// Courtesy of http://www.quirksmode.org/js/cookies.html
	this.createCookie = function(name,value,days) {
		if (days) {
			var date = new Date();
			date.setTime(date.getTime()+(days*24*60*60*1000));
			var expires = "; expires="+date.toGMTString();
		}
		else var expires = "";
		document.cookie = name+"="+value+expires+"; path=/";
	};

	this.readCookie = function(name) {
		var nameEQ = name + "=";
		var ca = document.cookie.split(';');
		for(var i=0;i < ca.length;i++) {
			var c = ca[i];
			while (c.charAt(0)==' ') c = c.substring(1,c.length);
			if (c.indexOf(nameEQ) == 0) return c.substring(nameEQ.length,c.length);
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.eraseCookie = function(name) {
		Dsq.Utils.createCookie(name,"",-1);
	};

	this.deleteNode = function(node) {
		if(node) {
			this.deleteChildren(node);
			if(typeof node.outerHTML != 'undefined') { node.outerHTML = ''; }
			else if(node.parentNode) { node.parentNode.removeChild(node); }
			delete node;
		}
	};

	this.deleteChildren = function(node) {
		if(node) {
			for(var x = node.childNodes.length-1; x >= 0; x--) {
				var childNode = node.childNodes[x];
				if(childNode.hasChildNodes()) { this.deleteChildren(childNode); }
				if(typeof childNode.outerHTML != 'undefined') { childNode.outerHTML = ''; }
				else node.removeChild(childNode);
				delete childNode;
			}
		}
	};

	this.findPos = function(obj) {
		var curleft = 0;
		var curtop = 0;
		if (obj.offsetParent) {
			do {
				curleft += obj.offsetLeft;
				curtop += obj.offsetTop;
			} while (obj = obj.offsetParent);
		}
		return [curleft,curtop];
	};

	this.getWindowSize = function() {
		var windowWidth = -1;
		var windowHeight = -1;

		if(typeof(window.innerWidth) == 'number') { //Non-IE
			windowWidth = window.innerWidth;
			windowHeight = window.innerHeight;
		} else if(document.documentElement) { // IE 6+ in 'standards compliant mode'
			windowWidth = document.documentElement.clientWidth || document.body.clientWidth;
			windowHeight = document.documentElement.clientHeight || document.body.clientHeight;
		}

		return [windowWidth, windowHeight];
	}

	this.getScrollPos = function() {
		var scrollWidth, scrollTop;

		if(document.documentElement && (document.documentElement.scrollTop || document.documentElement.scrollWidth)) {
			scrollWidth = document.documentElement.scrollWidth;
			// IE is weird here.  If no doctype is provided, document.body.scrollTop is 0,
			// otherwise document.documentElement.scrollTop is 0.
			scrollTop = document.documentElement.scrollTop || document.body.scrollTop;
		} else if(document.body.scrollTop && document.body.scrollWidth) {
			scrollWidth = document.body.scrollWidth;
			scrollTop = document.body.scrollTop;
		}

		return [scrollWidth, scrollTop];
	}

	this.addEventListener = function(instance, eventName, listener) {
		var listenerFn = listener;
		if (instance.addEventListener) {
			instance.addEventListener(eventName, listenerFn, false);
		} else if (instance.attachEvent) {
			listenerFn = function() {
				listener(window.event);
			};
			instance.attachEvent("on" + eventName, listenerFn);
		} else {
			throw new Error("Event registration not supported");
		}
		return {
			instance: instance,
			name: eventName,
			listener: listenerFn
		};
	};

	this.removeEventListener = function(event) {
		var instance = event.instance;
		if (instance.removeEventListener) {
			instance.removeEventListener(event.name, event.listener, false);
		} else if (instance.detachEvent) {
			instance.detachEvent("on" + event.name, event.listener);
		}
	};

	this.fixIframesIE = function(id) {
		var disqusThread = Dsq.$(disqus_container_id);
		var iframes = disqusThread.getElementsByTagName('iframe');

		if(id) {
			var container = Dsq.$(id);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-content');
		}

		for(i = 0; i < iframes.length; i++) {
			if (container) {
				iframes[i].style.width = container.offsetWidth;
			}
		}
	};

	this.getElementsByClassName = function(oElm, strTagName, strClassName) {
	/* Credit: Jonathan Snook [http://www.snook.ca/jonathan], Robert Nyman [http://www.robertnyman.com] */
		var arrElements = (strTagName == "*" && oElm.all)? oElm.all : oElm.getElementsByTagName(strTagName);
		var arrReturnElements = new Array();
		strClassName = strClassName.replace(/\-/g, "\\-");
		var oRegExp = new RegExp("(^|\\s)" + strClassName + "(\\s|$)");
		var oElement;
		for(var i = 0; i < arrElements.length; i++) {
			oElement = arrElements[i];
			if(oRegExp.test(oElement.className)) {
				arrReturnElements.push(oElement);
			}
		}
		return (arrReturnElements);
	};

	this.postToUrl = function(url, post_data, opt_redirect) {
		var form = document.createElement('form');
		var iframe_container = document.createElement('div');
		var id = 'dsq-temp-iframe-' + (new Date()).getTime();

		form.method = 'POST';
		form.action = url;
		if (!opt_redirect) {
			form.target = id;
		}
		iframe_container.innerHTML = '<iframe style="display:none" name="' + id + '" id="' + id + '"></iframe>';

		for(var key in post_data) {
			if(post_data.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				var input = document.createElement('input');
				input.name = key;
				input.type = 'hidden';
				input.value = post_data[key];

				form.appendChild(input);
			}
		}

		Dsq.$b.appendChild(iframe_container);
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(form);
		form.submit();
	};

	// Strips integer id from id of element in the form ('some-id-###')
	this.extractId = function(e) {
		var chunks = e.id.split('-');
		if(chunks.length <= 1) {
			return 0;
		} else {
			var retval = parseInt(chunks[chunks.length-1]);
			return !isNaN(retval) ? retval : null;
		}
	};

	this.getStyle = function(el, styleProp) {
		if(el.currentStyle) {
			var y = el.currentStyle[styleProp];
		} else if(window.getComputedStyle) {
			var y = document.defaultView.getComputedStyle(el, null).getPropertyValue(styleProp);
		}

		if(y == 'transparent' || y == '') {
			this.getStyle(el.parentNode, styleProp);
		} else {
			return y;
		}
	};

	this.execScript = function(url, append_qs, container) {
		var script = document.createElement('script');
		append_qs = typeof append_qs == 'undefined' ? true : append_qs;
		container = container || Dsq.container;

		if(append_qs) {
			var j = (url.indexOf('?') >= 0) ? '&' : '?';
			url += j + (new Date()).getTime();
		}
		script.type = 'text/javascript';
		script.charset = 'UTF-8';
		script.src = url;
		container.appendChild(script);
		return script;
	};

	this.pluralize = function(num, singular, plural) {
		return (num != 1) ? plural || 's' : singular || '';
	};

	this.getRequestParams = function(queryString /* optional */) {
		var pairs, tuple;
		var params = {};

		queryString = queryString || window.location.search.substring(1);
		pairs = queryString.split('&');

		for (var i = 0, pair; pair = pairs[i]; i++) {
			tuple = pair.split('=');
			params[tuple[0]] = (tuple[1] || true);
		}

		return params;
	};

	this.addCssRule = function(selector, styleText, index) {
		var stylesheet;
		index = index || 0;

		if(!this._styleSheet) {
			var styleEl = document.createElement('style');
			document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(styleEl);
			this._styleSheet = styleEl.sheet;
			if(!this._styleSheet) {
				// IE does not like our newly created stylesheet.
				this._styleSheet = document.styleSheets[document.styleSheets.length-1];
			}
		}
		stylesheet = this._styleSheet;

		if(stylesheet.insertRule) {
			var ruleText = selector + ' { ' + styleText + ' }';
			if(index == -1) {
				index = stylesheet.cssRules.length;
			}
			stylesheet.insertRule(ruleText, index);
		} else if(stylesheet.addRule) {
			stylesheet.addRule(selector, styleText, index);
		}
	};

	this.forEachIn = function(obj, callback) {
		for(var key in obj) {
			if(obj.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				callback(key, obj[key]);
			}
		}
	};

	this._interpolateGlobalContext = {
		// values that get used a lot and are global to the request
		'profile_url': Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE,

		'disqus_url': Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url,
		'media_url': Dsq.jsonData.settings.media_url,
		'request_username': Dsq.jsonData.request.username,
		'request_display_username': Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username,
		'forum_name': Dsq.jsonData.forum.name
	};

	this.renderFromContextStack = function(key, contexts) {
		// Returns the first instance of `key` in the array of objects `contexts` or else ''
		for (var i=0; i<contexts.length; i++) {
			if (contexts[i][key] !== undefined) {
				return String(contexts[i][key]);
			}
		}
		throw new Error('key ' + key + ' not found in context');
	};

	var that = this;
	this.interpolate = function(fmt, opt_localContext) {
		// Interpolate `fmt` named-format string with an assumed global context.
		// Based on `interpolate` in django.views.i18n
		var contextStack = [opt_localContext || {}, that._interpolateGlobalContext];
		return fmt.replace(/%\(\w+\)s/g, function(match){
			return that.renderFromContextStack(match.slice(2,-2), contextStack);
		});
	};

	this.stripTags = function(s) {
		// Removes HTML tags from `s`
		return s.replace(/(<([^>]+)>)/g,"");

	};

	this.assert = function(b) {
		if (!b) {
			throw new Error('Assertion error.');
		}
	};

};
// Dsq.Utils

/**
 * Dsq.Popup: Popup helper functions.
 */
Dsq.Popup = new function() {
	this.timeHide = new Array();
	this.timeShow = new Array();
	this.activePopup = {};
	this.profileCache = {};
	this.statusCache = {};

	this.showTimer = function(post_id) {
		// clear the hide timer
		clearTimeout(this.timeHide[post_id]);

		// start the timer
		if(!Dsq.Popup.profileIsOn && !Dsq.Thread.adminIsOn) {
			this.timeShow[post_id] = setTimeout("Dsq.Popup.popProfile(\"" + post_id + "\")", 400);
		}
	};

	this.hideTimer = function(post_id) {
		// clear the show timer
		clearTimeout(this.timeShow[post_id]);
	};

	this.updateProfile = function(username) {
		// Callback from /embed/profile.js
		if (this.statusCache[username]) {
			var statusEl = Dsq.$('dsq-profile-status-' + username);
			statusEl.innerHTML = this.statusCache[username];
			statusEl.style.display = 'block';
		}

		if (this.profileCache[username]) {
			var _cache = this.profileCache[username];

			var _genhtml = function(text) { return '<span><big>' + text + '</big></span>'; };
			var _no_comments = _genhtml(Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_COMMENTS(_cache.comments_count));
			var _no_likes = _genhtml(Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_LIKES(_cache.likes_count));
			var _no_points = _genhtml(Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_POINTS(_cache.points));

			var statsEl = Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-user-stats-' + username);
			statsEl.innerHTML = '';

			if (Dsq.jsonData.users[username].registered) {
				statsEl.innerHTML = _no_comments + _no_likes;
			}
			statsEl.innerHTML += _no_points;

			var activeSites = '';
			for (var i = 0; i < _cache.active_sites.length; i++) {
				var site = _cache.active_sites[i];
				activeSites += '<li><a href="' + site.url + '"> \
					<img src="' + site.favicon + '"/ width="16" height="16"/></a>\
					<a href="' + site.url + '">' + site.name + '</a></li>';
			}
			if (activeSites !== '') {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + username).innerHTML = activeSites;
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + username).innerHTML = 'This site.';
			}

			var moderatedSites = '';
			for (var i = 0; i < _cache.moderated_sites.length; i++) {
				var site = _cache.moderated_sites[i];
				moderatedSites += '<li><a href="' + site.url + '"> \
					<img src="' + site.favicon + '"/ width="16" height="16"/></a>\
					<a href="' + site.url + '">' + site.name + '</a></li>';
			}
			if (moderatedSites !== '') {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-moderated-' + username).innerHTML = moderatedSites;
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-moderated-wrapper-' + username).innerHTML = '';
			}
		}

		// Reposition popup after full HTML is rendered
		if(Dsq.Popup.activePopup && Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el) {
			Dsq.Popup.initPopup(Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el, Dsq.Popup.activePopup.id, Dsq.Popup.activePopup.type);
		}

	};

	this.showCookieMsgs = function() {
		var title = '';
		var message = '';
		var numAlerts = 0;

		Dsq.Utils.forEachIn(Dsq.jsonData.cookie_messages, function(k, v) {
			if (!v) return;

			switch(k) {
				// Cookie: Twitter
				case 'post_twitter':
					if (v === 'error') {
						title = 'Twitter Error!';
						message += '<li id="dsq-msg-twitter-error">Oops, we couldn\'t tweet this comment. Please check your <a href="http://disqus.com/account/services">account settings</a>.</li>';
					} else {
						var _msg = v.split(':');
						title = 'Tweeted!';
						message += '<li id="dsq-msg-twitter-success">Your comment was successfully tweeted. <a href="http://twitter.com/' + _msg[0] + '/status/' + _msg[1] + '">Click here to view the tweet</a>.</li>';
					}
					break;
				// Cookie: Unapproved Post
				case 'post_not_approved':
					title = 'Comment awaiting approval by a moderator';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-post-not-approved">Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.</li>';
					break;
				// Cookie: Profile Found
				case 'post_has_profile':
					title = 'Use your existing commenter profile';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-post-has-profile">You have just posted your commment as a <span class="dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span>, but you may already have a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile.<br /><br /><a href="http://disqus.com/claim">Log in and claim this comment!</a></li>';
					break;
				case 'user_created':
					var _data = v.split(':');
					title = 'Profile created!';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-user-created">You have just created a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile, the best way to claim, manage, and track your comments all over the web. \
					<br /><br />A confirmation is being sent to <strong>' + _data[1] + '</strong>. Please check for this email in order to verify your profile. \
					<ul class="dsq-list-tick"> \
						<li>Your username is <strong>' + _data[0] +'</strong>. <a href="http://disqus.com/people/' + _data[0] + '/" target="_blank">Click here to view your public profile</a>.</li> \
						<li>Be sure to set your profile picture, as well as connect your <span class="dsq-badge-facebook">Facebook</span> and <span class="dsq-badge-twitter">Twitter</span> accounts. <a href="http://disqus.com/account/" target="_blank">Click here for account settings</a>.</li> \
					</ul> \
					</li>'
					break;
				default:
					break;
			}
			numAlerts++;
		});

		if(numAlerts > 1) {
			message = '<ul class="dsq-list-bluebullet">' + message;
			message += '</ul>';
			title = 'Thanks for posting!';
		}
		if(numAlerts > 0) {
			if(typeof(disqus_cookie_msgs) == 'function') {
				disqus_cookie_msgs(message, title);
			} else {
				Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
			}
		}
	};

	this.helpBadges = function(post_id) {
		var html = ' \
			<ul class="dsq-popup-help"> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span> has a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile with a confirmed email address.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span> has a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile, but has not yet confirmed his or her email address.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span> is not logged in with any account and has not claimed his or her comments.</li> \
				<li class="dsq-help-otheraccts">Other accounts</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-facebook">Facebook</span> is using his or her Facebook profile via Facebook Connect.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-twitter">Twitter</span> is using his or her Twitter profile via Twitter Sign-in.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-openid">OpenID</span> is using his or her OpenID.</li> \
			</ul> \
		';

		this.popModal(html, 'Help: Types of Commenters', post_id);
		return;
	};

	this.permalink = function(post_id) {
		var header = 'Link to this comment';
		var body = '<strong>You are anchored to</strong>:<br />' + document.location.protocol + '//' + document.location.host + document.location.pathname + document.location.search + '#comment-' + post_id;

		this.popModal(body, header, post_id);
	};

	this.login = function(header, body) {
		var h = header || 'Login or Register';
		var b = body || '';
		b += Dsq.Templates.frameLogin({id: 'dsq-popup-login'});
		b += '</iframe>'; // HACK: Sometimes there is something funky with the IFRAME SRC that causes no end tag
		this.popModal(b, h, null, true, 'dsq-popup-login');
	};

	this.blacklist = function(id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		var title = 'Add to Blacklist';
		var message = ' \
		Adding this person to the blacklist will block him or her from commenting on this site. Check the following types that you would like to add to the blacklist:'
		+ (userData['registered'] ?
			'<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
				<input id="dsq-blacklist-username" type="checkbox" checked> \
				<label for="dsq-blacklist-username"><strong>Username</strong>: ' + userData['username'] + '</label> \
			</div>'
			: '')
		+ (_meta.email ?
			'<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
				<input id="dsq-blacklist-email" type="checkbox" checked> \
				<label for="dsq-blacklist-email"><strong>Email address</strong>: ' + _meta.email + '</label> \
			</div>'
			: '')
		+ '<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
			<input id="dsq-blacklist-ip" type="checkbox" onclick="Dsq.$(\'dsq-blacklist-ip-warning\').style.display=\'block\'"> \
			<label for="dsq-blacklist-ip"><strong>IP address</strong>: ' + _meta.ip + '</label> \
		</div> \
		';

		message += ' \
			<p id="dsq-blacklist-ip-warning" style="display:none">	\
				Note: Blocking this person\'s IP address may also unintentionally prevent others, who share his/her IP address, from commenting on this site. \
				This may include people who are sharing the same computer, living in the same house, or using the same Internet provider. Only block an IP address as a last resort. \
			</p> \
		';

		message += ' \
			<p style="text-align:center"><button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Post.blockUser(' + id + '); this.disabled=true; this.innerHTML=\'Just one moment...\'">Add to Blacklist</button></p> \
		';

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
	};

	this.remoteAccountSettings = function() {
		var body = '';
		// Set up IFrame.
		var params = {};
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/_auth/embed/remote_settings/';
		var attributes = {id: 'dsq-popup-account-settings'};
		if (typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}

		body = Dsq.Templates._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
		this.popModal(body, 'Account Settings', null, true, 'dsq-popup-account-settings');
	};

	this.popModal = function(message, title, post_id, use_listener, extra_classes) {
		var container = document.createElement('div');
		var header, body;

		Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);

		if(typeof(title) == 'undefined') { title = ''; }
		if(typeof(use_listener) == 'undefined') { use_listener = true; }

		if(post_id) {
			container.id = 'dsq-popup-message-' + post_id;
		} else {
			container.id = 'dsq-popup-message';
		}

		header = title;
		body = message;

		container.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.popupModal(header, body);
		Dsq.Popup.initPopup(container, post_id, 'message', extra_classes);
		if(use_listener) {
			Dsq.Popup.popupListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', Dsq.Popup._closePopup);
		}
	};

	this.popAlert = this.popModal;

	this.loading = function(post_id) {
		var title = Dsq.Strings.JUST_A_MOMENT;
		var body = '<div style="text-align:center; padding: 5px 0 10px 0"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading.gif" alt="" /></div>'
		Dsq.Popup.lightbox(body, title, post_id);
	};

	this.lightbox = function(message, title, post_id) {
		// Wraps Dsq.Popup.popModal

		var overlay = document.createElement('div');
		overlay.id = 'dsq-overlay';
		overlay.className = 'dsq-overlay';
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(overlay);
		
		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title, post_id, false, 'dsq-lightbox');
	};

	this.popProfile = function(post_id, userKey) {
		var post = Dsq.jsonData['posts'][post_id];
		if (post && post.has_been_anonymized) {
			Dsq.Popup.popModal('This message was anonymized by its previous owner.', 'Anonymized', post_id);
			return;
		}

		if(post_id) {
			userKey = Dsq.jsonData['posts'][post_id].user_key;	
		}
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][userKey];
		var elId = 'dsq-popup-profile-' + userKey;
		var container = document.createElement('div');

		if(this.activePopup.el) {
			this._closePopup(null, true);
			if(this.activePopup.linkClicked) {
				this.activePopup.linkClicked = false;
				return;
			}
		}

		container.id = elId;
		container.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.popupProfile(userKey);

		this.initPopup(container, post_id, 'profile');
		this.popupListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', this._closePopup);

		if(!this.profileCache[userKey]) {
			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/embed/profile.js'
				+ '?username=' + userKey
				+ '&anon=' + (userData['registered'] ? 0 : 1)
				+ '&f=' + Dsq.jsonData['request'].forum);
		} else {
			this.updateProfile(userKey);
		}
	};

	this._closePopup = function(e, force) {
		var activePopup = Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el;
		var id = Dsq.Popup.activePopup.id;
		var link = 'dsq-avatar-' + id; // HACK: Specific to profile toggle target

		// HACK: This event should be gone if there is no active popup.
		if(!activePopup) {
			return;
		}
		if(force || !Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, activePopup.id)) {
			// TODO: This is breaking iE?
			if(Dsq.Popup.popupListener) {
				Dsq.Utils.removeEventListener(Dsq.Popup.popupListener);
			}
			
			// Kill overlay
			var overlay = Dsq.$('dsq-overlay');
			if(overlay) { Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(overlay); }
			
			try {
				Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(activePopup);
			} catch(e) {
				// HACK: IE6 throws an error when using deleteNode() with a node containing a <table> in the html.
				activePopup.parentNode.removeChild(activePopup);
			}
			Dsq.Popup.activePopup = {};
		}

		if(!force && Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, link)) {
 			Dsq.Popup.activePopup.linkClicked = true;
		}

	};

	this.initPopup = function(popup, post_id, type, extra_classes) {
		popup.className = 'dsq-popup dsq-popup-' + type + ' ' + (extra_classes ? extra_classes : '');
		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6 || Dsq.Utils.ie7) {
			// HACK: We can't modify the body before it's ready, so we need
			//       to use an IE-safe "DOMReady" workaround before loading
			//       our popup.
			Dsq.Utils.execOnReady(function() {Dsq.$b.appendChild(popup); });
		} else {
			Dsq.$b.appendChild(popup);
		}

		popup.style.display = 'block';

		var xPos = (Dsq.Utils.getWindowSize()[0] - popup.offsetWidth) / 2;
		var yPos = (Dsq.Utils.getWindowSize()[1] - popup.offsetHeight) / 2;

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) {
			yPos += Dsq.Utils.getScrollPos()[1];
		}

		popup.style.left = xPos + 'px';
		popup.style.top = yPos + 'px';

		Dsq.Popup.activePopup = {
			'el' : popup,
			'id' : post_id,
			'type': type,
			'linkClicked' : false
		};
	};

	this.isClicked = function(e, id) {
		var t = e.target || e.srcElement;
		while(t && t.parentNode) {
			if(t.id == id) {
				return true;
			}

			t = t.parentNode;
		}
		return false;
	};
};
// Dsq.Popup

/**
 * Dsq.Templates
 */
Dsq.Templates = new function() {
	/*
	 * Counter keeping track of the number of posts iterated over.
	 */
	this.postLoopCounter = 0;
	this.filters = {};
	this.addPostContainer = 'dsq-post-add';
	this.textareaContainer = 'dsq-post-add';

	this.registerTemplate = function(name, func) {
		this['$$_' + name] = func;

		if(typeof DsqLocal.Filters != 'undefined'
		&& typeof DsqLocal.Filters[name] == 'function') {
			// Push filters to this.filters to unify code.
			this.filters[name] = this.filters[name] || [];
			this.filters[name].push(DsqLocal.Filters[name]);
		}

		this[name] = function() {
			var ret;

			if(typeof DsqLocal.Templates != 'undefined'
			&& typeof DsqLocal.Templates[name] == 'function') {
				ret = DsqLocal.Templates[name].apply(this, arguments);
			}

			if(ret === undefined) {
				ret = this['$$_' + name].apply(this, arguments);
			}

			if(this.filters[name]) {
				var args = [ret];

				args.push.apply(args, arguments);
				for(var i = 0; i < this.filters[name].length; i++) {
					ret = this.filters[name][i].apply(this, args);
				}
			}

			return ret;
		};
	};

	this.registerFilter = function(name, func) {
		this.filters[name] = this.filters[name] || [];
		this.filters[name].push(func);
	};

	/**
	 * Dsq.Templates.Filters
	 */
	this.Filters = new function() {
		this.commentContainer = function(post_id, s) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			var classes = [];
			if(Dsq.jsonData.request.page > 1) {
				classes.push('dsq-append');
			}

			//
			// Extra classes used for custom themes
			//

			if(_meta.depth) {
				classes.push('dsq-comment-child', 'dsq-depth-' + _meta.depth, 'dsq-parent-is-' + _meta.parent_post_id);
			}


			//

			if(_meta.author_is_creator) {
				// TODO: We need to deprecate the "special" class since it is not properly prefixed.
				classes.push('special', 'dsq-special');
			}
			if(_meta.author_is_moderator) {
				classes.push('dsq-moderator');
			}
			classes.push(['dsq-odd', 'dsq-even'][Dsq.Templates.postLoopCounter % 2]);

			s = s.substring(0, s.lastIndexOf('>'));
			return s + ' class="dsq-comment ' + classes.join(' ') + '" style="margin-left:' + _meta.depth*30 + 'px">';
		};

		this.commentContent = function(post_id, s) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			if (_meta.killed) {
				return '<em>Comment removed.</em>';
			} else if (!_meta.approved) {
				return '<em>This comment was flagged for review.</em>';
			}

			s = s.replace(Dsq.MEDIA_POST_RE, Dsq.MediaPostHandler);
			return s;
		};
	};

	//
	// Thread
	//
	// TODO: These need to be stripped of all Django template tags.

	this.authPost = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.context.show_reply) {
			return '';
		}
		var result = [];
		result = result.concat([
				'<div id="dsq-auth"',
						Dsq.jsonData.integration.reply_position ? 'class="dsq-auth-bottom"' : '',
						'>',
					'<div class="dsq-by">',
						'<a href="http://disqus.com" target="_blank">',
							(Dsq.jsonData.integration.disqus_logo ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img src="%(media_url)s/images/embed/by-disqus.png" alt="discussion by DISQUS">') :
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img src="%(media_url)s/images/embed/dsq-button-120x19.png" alt="discussion by DISQUS">')
							),
						'</a>',
					'</div>',
					'<div class="dsq-auth-header">',
						'<h3 id="dsq-add-new-comment" class="dsq-h3-addcomment">',
								Dsq.Strings.ADD_NEW_COMMENT,
						'</h3>',
						'<div id="dsq-login">',
						(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated && Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
								? '<p class="dsq-login-message" id="dsq-login-message">You are commenting as a <a class="dsq-help" title="Click for more information" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Guest</a>. You may select one to log into:</p>'
								: '')
		]);
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
			result = result.concat([
							Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
								'<a id="dsq-login-toggle" href="%(disqus_url)s%(login_url)s?next=article:%(thread_id)s" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false"><img class="dsq-login-icon" src="%(media_url)s/images/dsq-profile-btn.png" title="%(log_into)s" alt="%(log_into)s"/></a>',
								{login_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGIN, thread_id: Dsq.jsonData.thread.id, log_into: Dsq.Strings.LOG_INTO_DISQUS}
								),
							'&nbsp; ',
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ?
								'<div id="dsq-fbc-login" onlogin="DisqusFbcParentController.onLogin()" size="medium" background="light" length="short" style="display:inline; margin-right:7px"></div>' :
								''
							),
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
									'<div id="dsq-twitter-login" class="dsq-twitter-login" onclick="Dsq.Twitter.startTwitterConnect();" style="display:inline; cursor: pointer"><img src="%(media_url)s/images/twitter-signin-short.png" style="margin-right:7px" /></div>', {}) : ''),
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
									'<div id="dsq-openid-login" class="dsq-openid-login" onclick="Dsq.OpenID.requestURL();" style="display:inline; cursor:pointer;"><img src="%(media_url)s/images/openid-login-button.png"/></div>', {}
								) : '')
			]);
		}
		result = result.concat([
						'</div>', // dsq-login
					'</div>', // dsq-auth-header
					'<div id="dsq-authenticated" class="dsq-authenticated" ',
						Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated ? 'style="display:block"' : '',
						'>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-pic">',
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">' +
																			'<img class="dsq-post-avatar" src="%(avatar_url)s" alt="" /></a>',
																			{avatar_url: Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_AVATAR,
																			url: (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
																					 ? Dsq.jsonData.request.url
																					 : Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE) }),
						'</div>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-info">',
							'<ul>',
								'<li>',
									(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(
												Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">%(request_display_username)s</a>', {url:Dsq.jsonData.request.url})
										  )
										: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(
												Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(profile_url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">%(request_display_username)s</a>')
											)
									),
								'</li>',
								'<li class="logout">',
									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img class="dsq-login-icon" src="%(media_url)s/images/dsqicon12.png" alt="%(logged_in_as)s"/>&nbsp',
											{logged_in_as: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username)})
										: ''),

									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="%(logout_from_disqus)s">',
											{logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN, logout_from_disqus: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGOUT_FROM('DISQUS')})
										: ((Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == 'twitter')
												? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('using Twitter (<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="Logout">Logout</a>)',
												 {logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN})
												: ((Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == 'openid')
													 ? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('using OpenID (<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="Logout">Logout</a>)',
													 {logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN})
													 : ''
													)
											)
									),

									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote ? Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGOUT_FROM('<span class="logo-disqus">DISQUS</span>') : ''),
									'</a>',
								'</li>',
							'</ul>',
						'</div>',
					'</div>'
		]);
		if (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect) {
			result = result.concat([
					'<div id="dsq-fbc-authenticated" class="dsq-authenticated">',
						'<div id="dsq-fbc-profilepic" class="dsq-authenticated-pic" uid="loggedinuser" type="FB.XFBML.ProfilePic" size="square" facebook-logo="true"></div>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-info">',
							'<ul>',
								'<li>',
									'Logged in as <span id="dsq-fbc-name" uid="loggedinuser" type="FB.XFBML.Name" linked="true" useyou="false"></span>',
								'</li>',
								'<li class="logout">using Facebook Connect <a href="#" onclick="javascript:DisqusFbcParentController.logout();return false;">(Logout)</a></li>',
							'</ul>',
						'</div>',
					'</div>'
			]);
		}
		result = result.concat([
				'</div>', // dsq-auth
				'<div id="dsq-toolbar-items">',
				'</div>'
		]);
		result = result.concat([
					//
					//
					//
				((!Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post && !Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) ?
					// Needs to be translated:
					('<p id="dsq-no-anon-msg">Required: Please log into <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> ' +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ? 'or connect with Facebook ' : '') +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ? 'or sign in with Twitter ' : '') +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ? 'or sign in using OpenID ' : '') +
					Dsq.Utils.interpolate('to comment on <strong>%(forum_name)s</strong>.</p>')) :
					''
				),
				'<div id="dsq-post-add"></div>',
				'<div style="margin:10px 0">',
				((Dsq.jsonData.forum.use_media) ?
						'<a href="#" id="dsq-media-link" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, false, \'media\'); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.USE_MEDIA + ' <small>&#9660;</small></a>' :
						''),
				'</div>'
		]);
		return result.join('');
	};


	this.header = function() {

		var html = '\<h3 id="dsq-comments-count" class="dsq-h3-commentcount">\
	 <span id="dsq-num-posts">105</span> Comments\
	 &nbsp;\
	 <span class="dsq-item-feed">\
	 <a href="http://scobleizer.disqus.com/videoblogger_jailed/latest.rss"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/bullet-feed.png"></a>\
	 </span>\
	 </h3>\
	 <div id="dsq-options" style="margin:15px 0">\
	 <span class="dsq-item-sort">\
	 Sort by\
	 <select id="dsq-sort-select" onchange="Dsq.Thread.sortBy(this.value);">\
	 <option value="hot" selected="selected">Popular now</option>\
	 <option value="best" >Best Rating</option>\
	 <option value="newest" >Newest first</option>\
	 <option value="oldest" >Oldest first</option>\
	 </select>\
	 &nbsp;\
	 </span>\
	 <span class="dsq-item-cp"><a href="http://scobleizer.disqus.com/videoblogger_jailed/">Community Page</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>\
	 <span class="dsq-item-subscribe">\
	 <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/email.png" style="width:12px;height:12px;vertical-align:middle">\
	 <span id="dsq-subscribe">\
	 <a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">Subscribe by email</a>\
	 </span>\
	 </span>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-alerts">\
	 <p>Comments for this page are closed.</p>\
	 </div>\
		';

		

		
		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) { 
			html = ' \
			<div class="dsq-alert-message dsq-upgrade-message"> \
				<strong>Disqus upgrade available.</strong> Hi ' + Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username + ', this message is being displayed to you because you are a moderator of this site. <a href="#" onclick="Dsq.$(\'dsq-upgrade-message\').style.display=\'block\';this.style.display=\'none\';return false">Click here for details.</a> \
				<div style="display:none; margin-top:10px;" id="dsq-upgrade-message"> \
					A new theme is available with added features. <a href="http://disqus.com/comments/settings/' + Dsq.jsonData.forum.url + '/?p=customize">To change your theme, click here</a> and choose the theme Narcissus. \
					If you do not upgrade, you are missing out on features such as: real-time commenting, new sign-in integrations, and an upgrade interface. \
					<strong>This message will automatically go away in one week.</strong> \
				</div> \
			</div> \
			' + html; 
		}
		return html;
	};

	this.footer = function() {
		var html = Dsq.Templates.pagination();

		
			html += Dsq.Templates.authPost();
		

		html += Dsq.Templates.reactions();

		
			html += Dsq.Templates.trackbacks();
		

		return html;
	};

	this.pagination = function() {
		var html = '';
		
		if (Dsq.$('dsq-pagination')) { Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML = ''; }
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.thread.paginate) { return ''; }

		//
		// TODO: num_paginator still uses the template tag for pagination, 
		// 		while append_paginator does it all in JavaScript.
		//		This should all be in JavaScript.
		//

		if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_pages > 1 && Dsq.jsonData.request.page < Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_pages) {
			html = ' \<a class="dsq-paginate-append-text" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.paginate(Dsq.jsonData.request.page + 1, this); return false">Show more comments...</a>\
	 <button type="button" class="dsq-button-small dsq-paginate-append-button" onclick="Dsq.Thread.paginate(Dsq.jsonData.request.page + 1, this);">Load more comments</button>\
			';
		}
		
		if (Dsq.$('dsq-pagination')) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML = html;
			return '';
		} else {
			return '<div id="dsq-pagination" class="dsq-pagination">' + html + '</div>';
		}
	};

	this.trackbacks = function() {
		var html = '';

		if(typeof DsqLocal != 'undefined' && DsqLocal.trackback_url && DsqLocal.trackbacks) {
			var trackbacks = DsqLocal.trackbacks;
			var trackback_url = DsqLocal.trackback_url;
		} else {
			var trackbacks = [
			
			
			];
			var trackback_url = 'http://scobleizer.disqus.com/videoblogger_jailed/trackback/';
		}

		html += '<div class="dsq-item-trackback">Trackback URL&nbsp;&nbsp;<input class="dsq-trackback-url" onclick="this.select()" readonly="true" value="' + trackback_url + '"></div>';

		if(trackbacks.length) {
			html += '<ul id="dsq-references">'
			for(var i = 0; i < trackbacks.length; i++) {
				var trackback = trackbacks[i];
				html += '<li><cite><a href="' + trackback.author_url + '" rel="nofollow">' + trackback.author_name + '</a></cite> \
						<p class="dsq-meta">' + trackback.date + '</p> \
						<p class="dsq-content">' + trackback.excerpt + '</p></li>';
			}
			html += '</ul>';
			html = '<h3 class="dsq-h3-trackbacks">Trackbacks</h3>' + html;
		}

		return html;
	}

	this.showRetweets = function(id, limit, element_id /* Optional */) {
		var source, html = '';

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			if (reaction.id === id) {
				source = reaction.retweets;
			}
		}

		if (source) {
			if (limit === 0) {
				limit = source.length;
			}

			for (var j = 0; j < limit; j++) {
				var rt = source[j];
				html += '<a href="' + rt.url + '">' + rt.author_name + '</a>'	+ ((j === (limit - 1)) ? '.' : ', ');
			}
		}

		if (element_id === undefined) {
			return html;
		}

		var element = document.getElementById(element_id);
		element.innerHTML = html;
		return element;
	};

	this.showMoreReactions = function(reactions, has_more, start, limit) {
		var link = document.getElementById('dsq-show-more-reactions');
		var container = link.parentNode;
		container.removeChild(link);

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = reactions[i]; i++) {
			var el = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (el) {
				container.innerHTML += el;
			}
		}

		if (has_more) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = start;
			var l = limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			container.innerHTML += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions"><a href="#" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</a></li>';
		}
	};

	this.generateReactionHTML = function(reaction) {
		if (reaction.body === null || reaction.body == '') {
			return;
		}

		if (reaction.author_name === '') {
			reaction.author_name = '&nbsp;';
		}

		if (reaction.url === '') {
			reaction.url = reaction.get_service_url;
		}

		/* Reaction HTML begins */
		var item = '<li class="dsq-reaction" id="dsq-reaction-' + reaction.id + '">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-header">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-header-avatar">';

		if (reaction.author_url && reaction.author_url !== '') {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="' + reaction.author_url +'">';
		} else {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="#" onclick="return false;">';
		}

		if (reaction.avatar_url && reaction.avatar_url !== '') {
			item += '<img src="' + reaction.avatar_url + '"/>';
		} else {
			item += '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/noavatar32.png"/>';
		}

		var service_icon = (reaction.get_service_name == 'trackback' || reaction.get_service_name == 'pingback' ? 'rss' : reaction.get_service_name.replace(' ', ''));
		item += '<img class="dsq-service-icon" src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/reactions/services/' + service_icon + '.png"/>'
			+ '</a></div>'
			+ '<cite><span>' + reaction.author_name + '</span></cite>'
			+ '<span class="dsq-header-meta"><a class="dsq-header-time">' + reaction.date_created + '</a></span>'
			+ '</div><div class="dsq-reaction-body">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-message">' + reaction.body + '</div>'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-footer">From <a class="dsq-service-name" target="_blank" href="' + reaction.url + '">' + reaction.get_service_name + '</a> '
			+ 'via <a href="' + reaction.source_url + '">' + (reaction.source == 'backtype' ? 'BackType' : 'UberVU') + '</a>'
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator ? '&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;<a class="dsq-hide-reaction" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Reaction.hide(' + reaction.id + '); return false;">Hide</a>' : '') + '</div></div>';

		if(reaction.retweets) {
			var num_retweets = reaction.retweets.length;
			if (num_retweets > 0) {
				item += '<div class="dsq-reaction-retweets">';
				if (num_retweets == 1) {
					item += 'One more retweet from <a href="' + reaction.retweets[0].url + '">'  + reaction.retweets[0].author_name + '</a>';
				} else {
					item += (num_retweets + ' more retweets from ');

					item += '<span id="dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '">';
					var n_tweets = (num_retweets > 15) ? 15 : num_retweets;
					item += Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(reaction.id, n_tweets);

					if (n_tweets != num_retweets) {
						item += '</span> <a onclick="Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(' + reaction.id + ', 0, \'dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '\');'
							+ 'this.parentNode.removeChild(this); return false;" href="#">Show all</a>';
					}
				}
				item += '</div>';
			}
		}

		item += '</li>'; /* Reaction HTML ends */
		return item;
	};

	this.reactions = function() {
		var html, reaction;

		if (Dsq.jsonData.reactions === undefined || Dsq.jsonData.reactions.length === 0) {
			return '';
		}

		html = '';
		for (var i = 0; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			var item = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (item) {
				html += item;
			}
		}

		if (Dsq.jsonData.has_more_reactions) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_start;
			var l = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			html += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions"><a href="#" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</a></li>';
		}

		return '<h3 class="dsq-h3-reactions">Reactions</h3><ul id="dsq-reactions" class="dsq-reactions">' + html + '</ul>';
	};
	
	this.missingPermissions = function() {
		return '	<p>Comments for this page are closed.</p>\n';
	};

	//
	// Post
	//

	this.prependPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="comment-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.appendPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="dsq-comment-reply-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.postPrependHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(null, post_id);
			var html = '';
			var hiddenThreshold = 3; // Define # of services to show before stuffing them in hidden div

			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == hiddenThreshold
					? '<li id="dsq-drop-hidden-' + post_id +'" class="dsq-drop-hidden"><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-drop-services"> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank"> \
						<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>';
			}

			if(i >= hiddenThreshold) {
				html += '</ul></li> \
				<li id="dsq-drop-more-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-drop-more"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.dropProfileMore(this, '+ post_id + '); return false"><small>&#9660;</small></a></li> \
				';
			}
			return html;
		};

		return ' \
			<div class="dsq-header-avatar" id="dsq-header-avatar-' + post_id + '" onmouseover="Dsq.Post.dropProfile(' + post_id + ')"> \
				<a id="dsq-avatar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-avatar" href="' + userData.url + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">'
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.show_avatar
				? '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key].avatar + '" alt="" />'
				: '')
			+ '</a>'
			+ '</div> \
		';
	};

	this.postAppendHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];

		return ''
			+ (_meta.author_is_moderator
				? '<img class="dsq-mod-star" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/bullet-star.png" title="Moderator" alt="" />'
				: '')
			+ '<span class="dsq-header-meta"> \
				<a id="dsq-time-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-header-time" href="#comment-' + post_id + '" title="Permalink">' + _meta.date + '</a> \
			</span>';
	};

	this.preBody = function(post_id) {
		return '';
	}

	this.postBody = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: Deprecate flagging conditional
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		return ''
			+ (_meta.edited
				? '<p class="dsq-editedtxt">(Edited by a moderator)</p>'
				: '')
			;
	};

	this.postFooter = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: Use media should be conditional
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		if(_meta.killed) { return ''; }

		return ' \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer" id="dsq-comment-footer-' + post_id + '"> \
				<div id="dsq-points-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-likedtxt">'
				+ (_meta.points
					? _meta.points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(_meta.points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this comment.'
					: '')
				+ '</div>'
				+ '<ul class="dsq-comment-options dsq-list-style">'
				+ (_meta.votable
					? '<li class="dsq-list-first dsq-rate" id="dsq-rate-cont-' + post_id + '">'
					+ (!_meta.up_voted
						? '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.rate(this, ' + post_id + ', 1); return false;">Like</a>'
						: 'You liked this.') + '</li>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-report' + (!_meta.votable ? ' dsq-list-first' : '') + '" id="dsq-post-report-' + post_id + '"><a href="#" class="dsq-post-report" onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + post_id + ', false); return false;">Report</a></li> \
				</ul> \
				<ul class="dsq-list-style">'
				+ (_meta.can_reply
					? '<li class="dsq-list-first"><a href="#" id="dsq-reply-link-' + post_id +'" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleReply(this, ' + post_id +'); return false;">Reply</a></li>'
					: '')
				+ (_meta.can_reply && !_meta.has_replies && _meta.from_request_user
					? '<li id="dsq-edit-el-' + post_id + '"><a id="dsq-edit-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); return false;">Edit</a></li>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="' + (!_meta.can_reply ? 'dsq-list-first' : '') + '" id="dsq-more-el-' + post_id + '"><a id="dsq-more-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, ' + post_id + ', \'more\'); return false">More <small>&#9660;</small></a></li>'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.use_media
					? '<li id="dsq-media-el-' + post_id +'" style="display:none"><a id="dsq-media-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, ' + post_id + ', \'media\'); return false">Use Media <small>&#9660;</small></a></li>'
					: '')
				+ '</ul>'
				+ '<div id="dsq-reply-bar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar" style="display:none"> \
						<div id="dsq-reply-bar-items-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar-items"> \
						</div> \
						<div id="dsq-reply-bar-auth-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar-auth"> \
							 \
								 \
								 	<a href="#" class="dsq-help dsq-reply-req-opt" title="You are commenting as a Guest. You may choose to log into an existing DISQUS Profile, your Facebook, Twitter or OpenID account to comment on Scobleizer" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Optional:</a> \
								 \
								<img class="dsq-login-icon" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/dsq-favicon-16x16.png" alt="" /> \
								<a id="dsq-reply-login-' + post_id + '" href="http://disqus.com/profile/login/?next=article:18369818" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false">Login</a> \
								 \
									&nbsp;or&nbsp; \
									<img class="fb_login_image" src="http://static.ak.fbcdn.net/images/fbconnect/login-buttons/connect_light_small_short.gif" alt="Facebook Connect"/> \
									<a href="#" onclick="FB.Connect.requireSession(DisqusFbcParentController.onLogin); return false;">Connect</a> \
								 \
								&nbsp;or&nbsp; \
									<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/twitter-signin-icon.png" alt="" /> \
									<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Twitter.startTwitterConnect(); return false">Sign-in</a> \
								 \
								 \
							 \
						</div> \
					</div> \
					<div id="dsq-reply-' + post_id + '"></div> \
			</div> \
		';
	};

	//
	// Iframes
	//

	this._makeAttributes = function(attributes) {
		// Makes a tag attributes string out of an object.
		// Caller is responsible for making sure nothing needs to be escaped.
		var result = [];
		for (key in attributes) {
			result.push(' ' + key + '="' + attributes[key] + '"');
		}
		result = result.join('');
		return result;
	};

	this._frameGeneric = function(base_url, params, attributes) {
		if(typeof(disqus_callback_params) == 'undefined') {
			disqus_callback_params = '';
		}

		var default_params = {
			// TODO: These should be moved to Dsq.jsonData.
			'f'				: 'scobleizer',
			't'				: 'videoblogger_jailed',
			// Do we need encodeURIComponent here?
			'ifrs'			: encodeURIComponent(disqus_iframe_css),
			'to_redirect'	: encodeURIComponent(window.location),
			'cbp'			: disqus_callback_params,
			'ff'			: Dsq.Thread.ff,
			'fc'			: Dsq.Thread.fc,
			'ac'			: Dsq.Thread.ac,
			'default_text'	: disqus_default_text
		};

		base_url += '?' + (new Date()).getTime();
		// Add params to default_params.
		if(params) {
			for(var key in params) {
				if(params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
					default_params[key] = encodeURIComponent(params[key]);
				}
			}
		}
		// Build querystring.
		for(var key in default_params) {
			if(default_params[key] && default_params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				base_url += '&' + key + '=' + default_params[key];
			}
		}

		return [
			'<iframe marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" hspace="0" vspace="0" frameborder="0"',
			(' allowtransparency="true" src="' + base_url + '"'),
			this._makeAttributes(attributes),
			'</iframe>'].join('');
	};

	this.frameLogin = function(opt_attributes) {
		var params = {};
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/embed/login.html';
		var attributes = opt_attributes || {};
		attributes['class'] = 'dsq-post-login';

		if(typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
	};

	this.frameReply = function(post_id, extra_params, attributes) {
		// Returns the HTML for a reply iframe. Called by Dsq.Iframes.setReplyIframeToContainer
		var _meta = (typeof post_id != 'undefined') ? Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] : false;
		var base_url = Dsq.Urls.REPLY;
		var params = {
			'def_email'		: disqus_def_email,
			'def_name'		: disqus_def_name
		};
		if(extra_params) {
			for(var key in extra_params) {
				if(extra_params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
					params[key] = extra_params[key];
				}
			}
		}
		if(_meta) {
			params['parent_post'] = post_id;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined') {
			params['per_page'] = disqus_per_page;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
			attributes['class'] += '-authenticated';
		}
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
	};

	this.frameEdit = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = (typeof post_id != 'undefined') ? Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] : false;
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/embed/edit.html';
		var params = {
			'p' : post_id
		};
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, {'class': 'dsq-post-edit', 'name': 'dsq-edit_' + post_id + '-frame'});
	};

	//
	// Menus
	//

	this.menuMore = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: "Remove post" button should hide menu.
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		return ' \
			<li><a href="#comment-' + post_id + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.permalink(' + post_id + ')">Link</a></li> \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">Profile</a></li>'
	+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator
		? '	<li class="dsq-menu-sep"></li>' + (_meta.email ? '<li class="dsq-admin-email">' + _meta.email + '</li>' : '')
		+ '	<li class="dsq-admin-ip">' + _meta.ip + '</li> \
			<li class="dsq-menu-sep"></li>'
		+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.moderator_can_edit
			? ' <li class="dsq-admin-edit"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); return false;">Edit Comment</a></li>'
			: '')
		+ ' <li class="dsq-remove"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.removePost(' + post_id + ', 1); return false;">Remove Comment</a></li> \
			<li class="dsq-report-spam"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.reportSpam(' + post_id + '); return false;">Mark Spam</a></li> \
			<li class="dsq-block-user"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.blacklist(' + post_id + '); return false">Block User</a></li>'
		: '');
	};

	this.menuMedia = function(post_id) {
		return ' \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleMediaReply(this, ' + post_id + ', \'seesmic\'); return false;">Record video</a></li> \
		';
	};

	this.dropProfile = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(null, post_id);
			var html = '';
			var hiddenThreshold = 3; // Define # of services to show before stuffing them in hidden div

			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == hiddenThreshold
					? '<li id="dsq-drop-hidden-' + post_id +'" class="dsq-drop-hidden"><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-drop-services"> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank"> \
						<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>';
			}

			if(i >= hiddenThreshold) {
				html += '</ul></li> \
				<li id="dsq-drop-more-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-drop-more"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.dropProfileMore(this, '+ post_id + '); return false"><small>&#9660;</small></a></li> \
				';
			}
			return html;
		};


		var menu = '<li class="dsq-drop-showlnk"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">Expand &#8663;</a></li>';
		var pointsMessage = '';
		if (userData['registered']) {
			pointsMessage = 'with ' + userData['points'] + ' points (more points are better).';
		}

		if (userData['is_remote']) {
			var domain = userData['remote_domain_name'];
			menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' is a ' + domain + ' user ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
			menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-' + domain.toLowerCase() + '">' + domain + '</span></li>';
		} else if (userData['registered']) {
			if (userData['verified']) {
				menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has a verified commenter profile ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
				menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span></li>';
			} else {
				menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has a registered, but unverified, commenter profile ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
				menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span></li>';
			}
		} else {
			menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has not claimed this commenter profile." onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()"><span class="dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span></li>';
		}

		menu += _includeServices();
		return menu;
	};

	//
	// Popups
	//

	this._popupGeneric = function(content) {
		return ' \
		<div class="dsq-popup-content"> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-top"></div> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-body" class="clearfix"> \
				<div class="dsq-popup-body-padding"> \
					<div class="dsq-popup-header"> \
						<a class="dsq-close-link" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/modal-close.png" alt="" /></a>'
						+ content['header']
					+ '</div>'
					+ content['body']
					+ '<div class="powered-by"><a href="http://disqus.com/comments/">Powered by <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-logo.png" alt="Disqus Comments" style="margin-bottom:-5px" /></a></div> \
				</div> <!-- padding --> \
			</div> <!-- body --> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-bottom"></div> \
		</div> \
		';
	};

	this.popupProfile = function(user_key) {
		var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(user_key, null);
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][user_key];
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var html = '';
			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == 0
					? '<h4>Connections</h4><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li> \
					<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" title="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" /> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>'
				+ (i+1 == userServices.length ? '</ul>' : '');
			}
			return html;
		};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<table> \
				<tr> \
					<td> \
						<a class="dsq-profile-userurl" href="' + userData.url + '"><img class="dsq-popup-profile-avatar" src="' + userData['avatar'] + '" alt="" /></a> \
					</td> \
					<td> \
						<div class="dsq-popup-profile-user"> \
							<h3>' + userData['display_name'] + '</h3> \
							<div class="dsq-popup-profile-user-stats" id="dsq-popup-profile-user-stats-' + user_key + '">Loading...</div> \
						</div> \
					</td> \
				</tr> \
			</table> \
		';

		bodyHtml = ' \
			<div class="dsq-popup-profile-state"> \
				This is a&nbsp;<span class="'
					+ (userData['registered']
						? (userData['verified']
							? ' dsq-badge-verified'
							: (userData['is_remote']
								? ' dsq-badge-' + userData['remote_domain_name'].toLowerCase()
								: ' dsq-badge-registered')
							)
							: ' dsq-badge-guest') + '">'
			+ (userData['registered']
				? (userData['verified']
					? 'Verified'
					: (userData['is_remote']
						 ? userData['remote_domain_name']
						 : 'Registered')
					)
				: 'Guest')
			+ '</span>&nbsp;commenter profile.'
			+ '&nbsp;<a class="dsq-profile-userurl" href="' + userData.url + '"><strong>View more comments </strong></a>'
			+ (!userData['points']
				? '<p class="dsq-popup-notice">If this is you, <a href="http://disqus.com/profile" target="_blank">claim it now</a> to manage your comments.</p>'
				: '')
			+ ((userData['registered'] && !userData['verified'] && (Dsq.jsonData.request.username && (Dsq.jsonData.request.username == userData['username'])) && !userData['is_remote'])
				? '<p class="dsq-popup-notice"><strong>Alert</strong>: You have not verified this account. <a href="http://disqus.com/verify">Verify it now.</a></p>'
				: '')
			+ '</div> \
			<div id="dsq-profile-status-' + user_key + '" class="dsq-popup-profile-status" style="display:none"></div> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-profile-snapshot"> \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td> \
							<div id="dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-wrapper-' + user_key + '"> \
								<h4>Most active sites</h4> \
								<ul id="dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + user_key + '"> \
									<li>Loading...</li> \
								</ul> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
						<td>'
							+ _includeServices()
							+ '<div id="dsq-popup-profile-moderated-wrapper-' + user_key + '"> \
								<h4>Moderator of</h4> \
								<ul id="dsq-popup-profile-moderated-' + user_key + '"> \
									<li>Loading...</li> \
								</ul> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
					</tr> \
				</table> \
			</div> \
			';

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.popupReblog = function() {
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<cite><span>Reblog this comment</span></cite> \
		';

		bodyHtml = ' \
			<div id="dsq-reblog-form" class="dsq-reblog-form"> \
			</div> \
		';

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.popupModal = function(title, message) {
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<h3>' + title + '</h3> \
		';

		bodyHtml = message;

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.alertContent = function(name, post_id) {
		var alert = {
			'post_not_approved': {
				'title': 'Comment awaiting approval by a moderator',
				'message': 'Thanks for posting. Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.'
			},
			'post_has_profile': {
				'title': 'Use your existing commenter profile',
				'message': 'You have just posted your commment as a <span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span>, but you may already have a <span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span> commenter profile.<br /><br /><a href="http://disqus.com/claim">Log in and claim this comment!</a>'
			}
		};
		return alert[name] || false;
	};

	//
	// Actions
	//

	this.voted = function(post_id, points, vote) {
		// Update number of points
		Dsq.$('dsq-points-' + post_id).innerHTML = points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this comment.';

		// Update link text
		if(vote) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-rate-cont-' + post_id).innerHTML = 'You liked this.';
		}
	};

	this.subscribed = function(status) {
		var title, message;

		if(status) {
			title = 'Subscribed!';
			message = 'You have subscribed to this comment thread. New comments will be sent directly to your email inbox, where you may read and respond by email.';
			Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe').innerHTML = ' \
				<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(0); return false">Unsubscribe</a> \
			';
		} else {
			title = 'Unsubscribed';
			message = 'You have unsubscribed to this comment thread. New comments will no longer be sent to your email inbox.';
			Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe').innerHTML = ' \
				<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">Subscribe by email</a> \
			';
		}

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);

	};
	
	this.highlighted = function() {
		Dsq.Popup.popModal('This comment has been highlighted.', 'Highlighted comment');
	};

	//
	// Media
	//

	this.mediaSeesmic = function(id, thumb) {
		return ' \
			<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_preview" class="dsq-seesmic-preview"><a href="http://www.seesmic.com/video/' + id + '" target="_blank" class="see_link">&nbsp;</a> \
				<div style="display:block;width:160px; height:120px; border:none; background-image:url(http://t.seesmic.com/thumbnail/' + thumb + ')"> \
					<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_hide" class="seePlayOverlay" style="display:none;"><img onclick="see_play_video(\'' + id + '\',false)" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/seesmic/stopOverlay.png" width="50" height="50" style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand; padding-top: 30px; padding-left: 50px" alt="" /></div> \
					<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_show" class="seePlayOverlay"><img onclick="see_play_video(\'' + id + '\',true)" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/seesmic/playOverlay.png" width="50" height="50" style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand; border:none; padding-top: 30px; padding-left: 50px" alt="" /></div> \
				</div> \
			</div> \
			<div id="' + id + '_content" style="display:block; width:100%; padding-top:5px"></div> \
		';
	};

	//
	// Callbacks
	//

	this.postComment_onSuccess = function(parent_post_id) {
		// Increment post count
		var num_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-num-posts');
		var total_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-total-posts');
		
		if (num_posts) { 
			num_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(num_posts.innerHTML) + 1;
		}
		if (total_posts) { 
			total_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(total_posts.innerHTML) + 1;
		}
	};
};
// Dsq.Templates


/**
 * Dsq.Post
 */
Dsq.Post = new function() {
	this.openedMenu = {};
	this.menuEventListener = null;
	this.stateReplyToggled = {};
	this.stateEditToggled = {};
	this.stateRecordLink = {};

	/**
	 * Inserts a new post into the document.
	 *
	 * @param after_id {Number}	Insert a post before specified id.  If after_id
	 *							evaluates to false, then post in the front.  If
	 *							after_id is -1, post at the end.
	 */
	this.insert = function(after_id, id, message, author) {
		// Skeleton template from thread_posts.html.
		var skeleton = ' \
			<li id="dsq-comment-%(id)s"> \
				<div id="dsq-comment-header-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-header"> \
					<cite id="dsq-cite-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-cite"> \
						<a id="dsq-author-user-%(id)s" href="%(author_url)s" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">%(author_name)s</a> \
					</cite> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-comment-body-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-body"> \
					<div id="dsq-comment-message-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-message">%(message)s</div> \
				</div> \
			</li> \
		';
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
		var _user_meta = Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key];
		var markup = Dsq.Utils.interpolate(skeleton, {
			id: id,
			message: message,
			author_url: _user_meta.blog,
			author_name: _user_meta.display_name
		});
		var div = document.createElement('div');
		markup = markup.replace(Dsq.COMMENTS_RE, Dsq.CommentsHandler);
		div.innerHTML = markup;

		if (after_id === -1) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-comments').appendChild(div);
		} else if (!after_id) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-comments').insertBefore(div, Dsq.$('dsq-comments').firstChild);
		} else if (Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + after_id)) {
			// Get next node after "after_id", so we can insert before it.
			// If "after_id" is the last comment, the target node is the
			// last node.
			
			// var append_post_id = Dsq.Templates.appendPost(after_id).replace('<div id="','').replace('"></div>', '');
			var append_post_id = 'dsq-append-post-' + after_id;
			var node = Dsq.$(append_post_id);
			while (node = node.nextSibling) {
				if (!node || node.nodeType == 1) { // 1 == Node.ELEMENT_NODE
					break;
				}
			}
			if (!node) {
				node = Dsq.$(append_post_id);
			}
			node.parentNode.insertBefore(div, node);
		}
	};

	this.incrementPostCount = function() {
		
		var num_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-num-posts');
		var total_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-total-posts');

		if (num_posts) {
			num_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(num_posts.innerHTML, 10) + 1;
		}
		if (total_posts) {
			total_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(total_posts.innerHTML, 10) + 1;
		}
	}
	
	this.outlineComment = function(post_id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className += ' dsq-comment-outline';
		setTimeout("(function () { Dsq.Post.clearOutlineComment(" + post_id + ") })()", 3000);
	};
	
	this.clearOutlineComment = function(post_id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className.replace('dsq-comment-outline', '');
	};

	this.showMenu = function(el, id, name) {
		var anchorPos = Dsq.Utils.findPos(el);
		var menu = document.createElement('ul');

		if(this.openedMenu) {
			if(this.openedMenu.linkClicked) {
				this.openedMenu.linkClicked = false;
				return;
			}
		}

		switch(name) {
			case 'more':
				menu.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.menuMore(id);
				break;
			case 'media':
				menu.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.menuMedia(id);
				break;
			default:
				break;
		}

		// Add menu to document body
		menu.id = 'dsq-menu-' + id;
		menu.className = 'dsq-menu';
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(menu);

		// Position and show
		anchorPos[1] += 15;
		menu.style.left = anchorPos[0] + 'px';
		menu.style.top = anchorPos[1] + 'px';
		menu.style.display = 'block';

		// Set global reference
		this.openedMenu = {
			'el' : menu,
			'id' : id,
			'name' : name,
			'linkClicked' : false
		};

		// Set listener
		this.menuEventListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', this._hideMenu);
	};

	this._hideMenu = function(e) {
		var el = e.target || e.srcElement;
		var openedMenu = Dsq.Post.openedMenu.el;
		var id = Dsq.Post.openedMenu.id;

		if(!id) {
			var link = 'dsq-' + Dsq.Post.openedMenu.name + '-link';
		} else {
			var link = 'dsq-' + Dsq.Post.openedMenu.name + '-link-' + id;
		}

		if(!openedMenu) {
			return;
		}

		if(!Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, openedMenu.id)) {
			openedMenu.style.display = 'none';
			Dsq.Utils.removeEventListener(Dsq.Post.menuEventListener);
			Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(openedMenu);

		} else {
			// Hide the menu if a link was clicked inside the menu.  We can't
			// completely remove the menu until the onclick event on the link
			// fires, but the menuEventListener will prevent multiple menus
			// from polluting the DOM.
			if(el && typeof el.href != 'undefined') {
				openedMenu.style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.Post.openedMenu.el = null;
			}
		}

		if(Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, link)) {
 			Dsq.Post.openedMenu.linkClicked = true;
		}
	};


	this.getUserServices = function(user_key, id) {
		if(!user_key && id) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
			user_key = _meta.user_key;
		}
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][user_key];
		var userServices = [];

		// Keep a full list of supported services. This is the order they will display in the drop-profile.
		// Each service must have a corresponding case in _buildServiceUrl()
		var supportedServices = ['blog', 'twitter', 'facebook', 'tumblr'];

		function _buildServiceUrl(serviceName) {
			var data = userData[serviceName];
			var services = {
				blog:		function(d) { return d; },
				twitter:	function(d) { return d; },
				facebook:	function(d) { return d; },
				tumblr:		function(d) { return 'http://' + d + '.tumblr.com'; }
			};
			return services[serviceName](data);
		}

		for(var i = 0; i < supportedServices.length; i++) {
			if(userData[supportedServices[i]]) {
				var serviceUrl = _buildServiceUrl(supportedServices[i]);
				userServices.push({'name' : supportedServices[i], 'url' : serviceUrl});
			}
		}
		return userServices;
	}

	this.dropProfile = function(id) {
		var dp = Dsq.$('dsq-drop-profile-' + id);

		// IE6 needs JS to display/hide. All other browsers use CSS.
		if(dp) {
			if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) dp.style.display = (dp.style.display == 'inline') ? 'none' : 'inline';
			return false;
		} else {
			dp = document.createElement('ul');
		}

		dp.id = 'dsq-drop-profile-' + id;
		dp.className = 'dsq-drop-profile';

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) { dp.style.display = 'inline'; }

		var container = Dsq.$('dsq-header-avatar-' + id);
		dp.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.dropProfile(id);
		container.appendChild(dp);
	};

	this.dropProfileMore = function(el, id) {
		var hiddenItems = Dsq.$('dsq-drop-hidden-' + id);

		hiddenItems.style.display = 'inline';
		el.parentNode.style.display = 'none';
	};

	this._updateReplyLinks = function(el, id) {
		// Update "reply / cancel" links based on state.
		var displayDict = {};

		if(id) {
			if(this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				el.innerHTML = 'Cancel';
				displayDict['media'] = 'inline';
				displayDict['edit'] = 'none';
			} else {
				el.innerHTML = 'Reply';
				displayDict['media'] = 'none';
				displayDict['edit'] = 'inline';
			}
		}

		for(var key in displayDict) {
			if(displayDict.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				var	linkEl = Dsq.$('dsq-' + key + '-el-' + id),
					spacer = Dsq.$('dsq-' + key + '-spacer-' + id);

				if(linkEl) {
					linkEl.style.display = displayDict[key];
					if(spacer) spacer.style.display = displayDict[key];
				}
			}
		}
	};

	this._updateMediaLinks = function(el, id) {
		// Update "use media / cancel" links based on state.
		var appendId = (id) ? ('-' + id) : '';
		var link = Dsq.$('dsq-media-link' + appendId);

		if(this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
			link.innerHTML = 'Cancel Media';
			link.onclick = function() { Dsq.Post.toggleMediaReply(link, id); return false; };
		} else {
			link.innerHTML = 'Use Media <small>&#9660;</small>';
			link.onclick = function() { Dsq.Post.showMenu(link, id, 'media'); return false; };
		}
	};

	this.toggleReply = function(el, id) {
		// Create reply IFrame
		if (window.disqus_use_postmessage) {
			if (!this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				// Create IFrame if it doesn't exist.
				if (!Dsq.frames['reply_' + id]) {
					var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id] = new Dsq.ReplyFrame(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-frame-' + id), id);
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id].init();
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id].setState(id, _meta.depth);
				}
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id).style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'none';
			}
		} else {
			// DEPRECATED
			if(!this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				// Reply toolbar
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id), id);
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.Iframes.hideAllInContainer(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id));
				if(this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
					// HACK: Cancel media before canceling self.
					this.toggleMediaReply(Dsq.$('dsq-media-link-' + id), id);
				}
			}
		}

		this.stateReplyToggled[id] = !this.stateReplyToggled[id];
		this._updateReplyLinks(el, id);

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE('dsq-reply-' + id); }

		Dsq.Events.fire(Dsq.Events.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED, {
			postId: id,
			opened: this.stateReplyToggled[id]
		});
	};

	this.toggleMediaReply = function(el, id, xtype) {
		id = id || 0;
		if(id) {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-post-add');
		}

		if(!this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
			Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, id, {xtype:xtype}, 'dsq-post-video');
		} else {
			Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, id);
		}
		this.stateRecordLink[id] = !this.stateRecordLink[id];
		this._updateMediaLinks(el, id);

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(); }
	};

	this.edit = function(el, id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + id).innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.frameEdit(id);
		el.parentNode.style.display = 'none';
		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE('dsq-comment-message-' + id); }
	};

    this.rate = function(el, id, vote) {
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_votes) {
			if(vote == 1) {
                Dsq.$('dsq-rate-cont-' + id).innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
            }

            Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/vote.js'
                + '?post_id='    + id
                + '&vote='        + vote);

		} else {
			Dsq.Popup.login(Dsq.Strings.TO_RATE_PLEASE_LOG_IN);
		}
    };

	this.report = function(id, confirmed) {
		if(confirmed) {
			Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/videoblogger_jailed/post_report/', {'post_id': id});
			Dsq.Popup.popModal('Thank you. This comment has been flagged for moderator attention.', 'Successfully flagged');
			Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(Dsq.$('dsq-post-report-' + id));
		} else {
			var title = Dsq.Strings.FLAG_INAPPROPRIATE_COMMENT;
			var message = Dsq.Strings.ARE_YOU_SURE_YOU_WOULD_LIKE_TO_REPORT_THIS_COMMENT_TO_A_MODERATOR + '? \
			<br /><br /> \
			<button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true)"><strong>' + Dsq.Strings.NO + '</strong>, ' + Dsq.Strings.NEVER_MIND + '</button>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + id + ', true);"><strong>' + Dsq.Strings.YES + '</strong>, ' + Dsq.Strings.FLAG_INAPPROPRIATE_COMMENT + '</button><br /><br />'
			+ Dsq.Strings.THIS_WILL_FLAG_COMMENTS_FOR_MODERATORS_TO_TAKE_ACTION + '. \
			';

			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title, id);
		}
	};



	this.showAlert = function(id, msg) {
		var msgEl = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + id);
		var alert = '<div class="dsq-comment-alert">' + msg + '</div>';

		msgEl.innerHTML = alert + msgEl.innerHTML;
	};

};
// Dsq.Post


/**
 * Dsq.Thread
 */
Dsq.Thread = new function() {
	this.fc = null;
	this.ff = null;
	this.ac = null;

	
	this.adminIsOn = false;

	
	
	

	this.hlComment = null;
	this.hlCommentClass = null;

	this.getNextComment = function(el) {
		var start_id = el.id;
		while(el = el.nextSibling) {
			if(el.id && el.id.indexOf('dsq-comment-') != -1 && el.id != start_id) {
				return el;
			}
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.getActiveCommentId = function() {
		if (document.URL.indexOf('#comment-') >= 0) {
			var anchor = document.URL.slice(document.URL.indexOf('#') + 1);
			return anchor.replace('comment-', '');
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.highlightAnchor = function() {
		var i = this.getActiveCommentId();
		if (i == null) return false;
		var id = 'dsq-comment-' + i;
		var hash = window.location.hash;

		// Toggle the hash incase the comment isn't available when the page loads
		// for WebKit-based browsers.
		if (Dsq.Utils.webkit) {
			window.location.hash = '';
			window.location.hash = hash;
		}

		this.hlComment = Dsq.$(id);
		// Adding this conditional guard pending #289
		if (!this.hlComment) {
			return;
		}
		this.hlCommentClass = this.hlComment.className;
		this.hlComment.className += ' dsq-hl-anchor';

		setTimeout("Dsq.Thread.highlightClear()", 3000);
	};

	this.highlightClear = function() {
		if (!this.hlComment) {
			return;
		}
		this.hlComment.className = this.hlCommentClass;
	};

	this.login = function(toggle) {
		// toggle id is #dsq-reply-login-[id]
		var postId;
		if(toggle.id.indexOf('dsq-reply-login') != -1) {
			postId = toggle.id.slice(16);
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + postId);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-post-add');
		}

		if(toggle) {
			if(toggle.className == 'dsq-login-active') {
				Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed(container, postId);
				toggle.className = '';
			} else {
				Dsq.Iframes.showLoginIframeInContainer(container, postId);
				toggle.className = 'dsq-login-active';
			}
		} else {
			Dsq.Iframes.showLoginIframeInContainer(container, postId);
		}

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(); }
	};


	this.paginate = function(page, el_clicked, per_page) {
		// Use extra_params to pass any override parameters that we need to persist.
		var extra_params = '';

		// "Per page" can either be overriden by providing it as an argument
		// (per-call) or setting the disqus_per_page override variable (global).
		if(typeof per_page == 'undefined') {
			per_page = null;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined' && per_page === null) {
			per_page = disqus_per_page;
		}

		if(typeof disqus_sort != 'undefined') {
			extra_params += '&sort=' + disqus_sort;
		}
		if(per_page !== null) {
			extra_params += '&per_page=' + per_page;
		}

		Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML += '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
		
		if(el_clicked) {
			el_clicked.style.display = 'none';
		}
		
		Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'videoblogger_jailed'
			+ '&p='		+ page
			+ extra_params);
	};

	this.sortBy = function(sort) {
		var disqus_script = document.createElement('script');
		var disqus_date = new Date();

		if (location.hash != '') {
			location.hash = '#disqus_thread';
		}

		if(typeof(disqus_url) == 'undefined') {
			disqus_url = disqus_href;
		}
		disqus_script.type = 'text/javascript';
		disqus_script.src = 'http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'videoblogger_jailed'
			+ '&sort='	+ sort
			+ '&title='
			+ '&'		+ disqus_date.getTime();

		Dsq.$('dsq-comments').innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading.gif">';
		Dsq.container.appendChild(disqus_script);
	};

	this.subscribe = function(status, email) {
		// `status` is an int -- 1 to subscribe, 0 to unsubscribe
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || email) {
			// If authenticated user OR anonymous email provided

			if(email) {
				Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);
			}

			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/subscribe.js'
				+'?status=' 	+ status
				+ '&slug='		+ 'videoblogger_jailed'
				+ '&email=' 	+ encodeURIComponent(email));

		} else if(!email) {
			// If anonymous user and no email has been provided yet, prompt for email

			var title = 'Subscribe to this comment thread';
			var message = ' \
				New comments will be sent directly to your email inbox! \
				<div class="dsq-subscribe-submit"> \
					<p><strong>Enter your email address below.</strong></p> \
					<input type="text" id="dsq-subscribe-email"> \
					<button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1, Dsq.$(\'dsq-subscribe-email\').value)">Subscribe</button> \
				</div> \
			';

			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
		}
	};

	this.showSettings = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) {
			return;
		}

		/* The form has to be re-designed when more options will come out. */
		var html = 'Automatically close comments after <input size="3" id="dsq-thread-days-alive" value="' + Dsq.jsonData.thread.days_alive + '" type="text" /> days. Existing comments will still be displayed.<br /><br />(Using 0 days will disable this feature)<br /><br />'
								 + '<button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Thread.updateDaysAlive();" class="dsq-button-small"><span>Save</span></button>'
								 + '<span id="dsq-thread-settings-status" class="dsq-options-status"></span>';

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(html, 'Settings');
	};

  this.showModeratorActions = function() {
      if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) {
          return;
      }

      var html = '<div class="dsq-moderate-options"><table><tr>' +
                 '<td>' + Dsq.Strings.ACTIONS + '</td><td><ul>';
      html += '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.toggleClosed(); return false;">' +
              (Dsq.jsonData.thread.closed ? Dsq.Strings.OPEN_THREAD : Dsq.Strings.CLOSE_THREAD) +
              '</a></li>';
      html += '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.toggleKilled(); return false;">' +
              (Dsq.jsonData.thread.killed ? Dsq.Strings.RESTORE_THREAD : Dsq.Strings.REMOVE_THREAD) +
              '</a></li>';
      html += '</ul></td></tr></table></div>' +
              '<p>Go to the full <a href="http://disqus.com/comments/moderate-threads/" target="_blank">moderate panel</a> for more options.</p>';
      Dsq.Popup.popModal(html, Dsq.Strings.MODERATE_OPTIONS);
  };

	this.updateDaysAlive = function() {
		  var days = Dsq.$('dsq-thread-days-alive').value;
		  var status = Dsq.$('dsq-thread-settings-status');
		  Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/update_days_alive.js', {days:days,thread:Dsq.jsonData.thread.id});
		  status.innerHTML = 'Saved!';
		  window.setTimeout(function() { status.innerHTML = ''; }, 1000);
	};

  this.toggleClosed = function() {
      Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/toggle_thread_closed.js', {thread:Dsq.jsonData.thread.id});
      window.setTimeout(function() { window.location.reload(); }, 500);
  };

  this.toggleKilled = function() {
      Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/toggle_thread_killed.js', {thread:Dsq.jsonData.thread.id});
      window.setTimeout(function() { window.location.reload(); }, 500);
  };
};
// Dsq.Thread

Dsq.Events = function() {
	var obj = {};

	// Private
	var handlers = {};
	var getHandlers = function(event) {
		if (handlers[event] === undefined) {
			handlers[event] = [];
		}
		return handlers[event];
	};

	// Public
	// Value keys : postId, node, xtype
	obj.REPLY_IFRAME_CREATED = 1;
	// Value keys : postId, opened
	obj.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED = 2;
	obj.fire = function(event, opt_value) {
		if (!event) {
			throw new Error('Unknown event');
		}
		var value = opt_value || {};
		for (var i=0; i<getHandlers(event).length; i++) {
			getHandlers(event)[i](value);
		}
	};
	obj.addHandler = function(event, callback) {
		getHandlers(event).push(callback);
	};

	return obj;
}();

/**
 * Dsq.Realtime
 */
Dsq.Realtime = new function() {
	var initialized = false;
	var interval = null;
	var last_checked = Dsq.jsonData.request.timestamp;
	var new_posts = [];
	var ongoing_request = false;
	var prev_script = null;

	function updateNewPostCount() {
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-alert').style.display = new_posts.length ? 'block' : 'none';

		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-queued').innerHTML = new_posts.length
		+ ' new '
		+ Dsq.Utils.pluralize(new_posts.length, 'comment', 'comments')
		+ Dsq.Utils.pluralize(new_posts.length, ' was', ' were')
		+ ' just posted.';

		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-show').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.SHOW + ')';
	}

	function insertNewPosts() {
		var post_id = null;
		var after_id = Dsq.$('dsq-sort-select').value === 'oldest' ? -1 : null;

		for (var i=0; i<new_posts.length; i++) {
			post_id = new_posts[i];
			Dsq.Post.insert(after_id, post_id, Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id].message);
			Dsq.Post.incrementPostCount();
			Dsq.Post.outlineComment(post_id);
		}
		new_posts = [];
	}

	this.enableInterval = function() {
		interval = setInterval(Dsq.Realtime.check, Dsq.jsonData.context.realtime_speed);
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-status').innerHTML = Dsq.Strings.ENABLED;
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.PAUSE + ')';
	}

	this.disableInterval = function() {
		if (interval) {
			clearInterval(interval);
			interval = null;
		}
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-status').innerHTML = Dsq.Strings.PAUSED;
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.RESUME + ')';
	}

	this.toggleInterval = function() {
		if (!interval) {
			Dsq.Realtime.enableInterval();
		} else {
			Dsq.Realtime.disableInterval();
		}
		return false;
	}

	this.initialize = function() {
		if (!initialized) {
			initialized = true;
			Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').onclick = this.toggleInterval;
			if (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-show').onclick = this.show;
				updateNewPostCount();
			}
			if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.realtime_paused) {
				Dsq.Realtime.disableInterval();
			} else {
				Dsq.Realtime.enableInterval();
			}
		}
	}

	this.show = function() {
		insertNewPosts();
		updateNewPostCount();
		return false;
	}

	this.check = function() {
		if (!ongoing_request && Dsq.jsonData.realtime_enabled) {
			if (prev_script) {
				prev_script.parentNode.removeChild(prev_script);
			}
			ongoing_request = true;
			prev_script = Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/18369818/realtime.js?timestamp=' + last_checked);
		}
	};

	this.update = function(timestamp, posts, users) {
		ongoing_request = false;
		last_checked = timestamp;

		if (users) {
			for (var user_id in users) {
				if (users.hasOwnProperty(user_id)) {
					if (!Dsq.jsonData.users[user_id]) {
						Dsq.jsonData.users[user_id] = users[user_id];
					}
				}
			}
		}

		if (posts) {
			for (var post_id in posts) {
				if (posts.hasOwnProperty(post_id)) {
					if (!Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id]) {
						Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] = posts[post_id];
						new_posts.push(post_id);
					}
				}
			}

			if (Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
				insertNewPosts();
			} else {
				updateNewPostCount();
			}
		}
	};

}();

// DEPRECATED
Dsq.Iframes = function() {
	// Different style of object from the above. Hoping to switch to this for some reason.
	var obj = {};

	// Private
	var showIframeInContainer = function(container, id, markup) {
		// Look through container for iframes, hiding them, except show one that matches id
		// If none of them matched id, create a new iframe using markup and insert it.
		// Returns the iframe node if and only if it was newly created.
		var found = false;
		for (var i=0; i<container.childNodes.length; i++) {
			var child = container.childNodes[i];
			if (child.nodeName == 'IFRAME') {
				if (child.id == id) {
					child.style.display = 'block';
					found = true;
				} else {
					child.style.display = 'none';
				}
			}
		}
		if (found) {
			return;
		}
		// The iframe wasn't found, so construct it and add it to the container.
		// Don't use innerHTML because it might reload iframes
		var div = document.createElement('div');
		div.innerHTML = markup;
		var iframe = div.childNodes[0];
		div.removeChild(iframe);
		container.appendChild(iframe);
		return iframe;
	};

	// Public
	obj.makeReplyIframeId = function(opt_postId, opt_xtype) {
		var id = 'dsq-post-add-iframe';
		if (opt_xtype) {
			id += '-' + opt_xtype;
		}
		if (opt_postId) {
			id += '-' + opt_postId;
		}
		return id;
	};
	obj.makeLoginIframeId = function(opt_postId) {
		if (!opt_postId) {
			return 'dsq-login-iframe';
		}
		return 'dsq-login-iframe-' + opt_postId;
	};
	obj.makeReplyIframeName = function(opt_postId, opt_xtype) {
		var name = 'dsq-reply-frame';
		if (opt_xtype) {
			name += '-' + opt_xtype;
		}
		if (opt_postId) {
			name += '-' + opt_postId;
		}
		return name;
	};
	obj.showReplyIframeInContainer = function(container, opt_postId, opt_extraParams, opt_className) {
		// Construct the id so we can check if it's already present.
		// Hide any other iframes we find, and show this one if it's found.
		var params = opt_extraParams || {};
		// use xtype in the id and name so we can distinguish media replies from text replies:
		var id = Dsq.Iframes.makeReplyIframeId(opt_postId, params.xtype);
		var name = Dsq.Iframes.makeReplyIframeName(opt_postId, params.xtype);
		var attributes = {
			'id': id,
			'name': name,
			'class': opt_className || 'dsq-post-reply'
			};
		var markup = Dsq.Templates.frameReply(opt_postId, opt_extraParams, attributes);
		var iframe = showIframeInContainer(container, id, markup);
		// It was newly created
		if (iframe) {
			Dsq.Events.fire(Dsq.Events.REPLY_IFRAME_CREATED, {
				postId: opt_postId,
				node: iframe,
				xtype: params.xtype
			});
		}
	};
	obj.showLoginIframeInContainer = function(container, opt_postId) {
		var id = Dsq.Iframes.makeLoginIframeId(opt_postId);
		var markup = Dsq.Templates.frameLogin({id: id});
		showIframeInContainer(container, id, markup);
	};
	obj.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed = function(container, opt_postId) {
		if (Dsq.jsonData.context.show_reply) {
			obj.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, opt_postId);
		} else {
			obj.hideAllInContainer(container);
		}
	};
	obj.hideAllInContainer = function(container) {
		for (var i=0; i<container.childNodes.length; i++) {
			var child = container.childNodes[i];
			if (child.nodeName == 'IFRAME') {
				child.style.display = 'none';
			}
		}
	};

	return obj;
}();

Dsq.Twitter = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.startTwitterConnect = function() {
		var popupParams = 'location=0,status=0,width=800,height=400';
		that._twitterWindow = window.open(Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/_ax/twitter/begin/', 'twitterWindow', popupParams);
		that._twitterInterval = window.setInterval(that.completeTwitterConnect, 1000);
	};

	this.completeTwitterConnect = function() {
		if (that._twitterWindow.closed) {
			window.clearInterval(that._twitterInterval);
			window.location.reload();
		}
	};
};

Dsq.Yahoo = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.startYahooConnect = function() {
		var popupParams = 'location=0,status=0,width=800,height=400';
		that._yahooWindow = window.open(Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/_ax/yahoo/begin/', 'yahooWindow', popupParams);
		that._yahooInterval = window.setInterval(that.completeYahooConnect, 1000);
	};

	this.completeYahooConnect = function() {
		if (that._yahooWindow.closed) {
			window.clearInterval(that._yahooInterval);
			window.location.reload();
		}
	};
};

Dsq.OpenID = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.requestURL = function() {
		var message = '<table class="dsq-openid-form"><tr><td style="vertical-align:top;" rowspan="2"><img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.media_url + '/images/openid-icon-100x100.png" /></td>';
		message += '<td><label for="dsq-openid-url">OpenID URL:</label></td><td><input type="text" id="dsq-openid-url" /></td></tr>';
		message += '<tr><td><label for="dsq-openid-username">Display name:</label></td><td><input type="text" id="dsq-openid-username" /></td></tr>';
		message += '<tr><td class="dsq-openid-submit" colspan="3"><input type="button" value="Sign in" onclick="Dsq.OpenID.startConnect();" /></td></tr>';
		message += "</table>";

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, 'Sign in using OpenID');
	};

	this.startConnect = function() {
		var isblank = function(str) {
			return /^\s*$/.test(str);
		};

		var openid_url = Dsq.$('dsq-openid-url').value;
		var username = Dsq.$('dsq-openid-username').value;

		if (isblank(openid_url)) {
			return;
		}

		var popupParams = 'location=0,status=0,width=800,height=500';
		var url = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/_ax/openid/begin/' + '?url=' + encodeURIComponent(openid_url) + '&username=' + encodeURIComponent(username);
		that._openidWindow = window.open(url, 'openidWindow', popupParams);
		that._openidInterval = window.setInterval(that.completeConnect, 1000);
	};

	this.completeConnect = function() {
		if (that._openidWindow.closed) {
			window.clearInterval(that._openidInterval);
			window.location.reload();
		}
	};
};

Dsq.Reaction = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.hide = function(id) {
		Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/hidereaction.js?' + 'reaction_id=' + id);
	};

	this.reportMissingReactions = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || !Dsq.jsonData.forum.reactions_enabled) {
			return;
		}

		if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.queued) {
			Dsq.Popup.popModal('Your report has been received. The system will automatically search for new reactions; if any are found, they will be displayed on this comment thread.<br/><br/>Thank&nbsp;you.',
												 'Reported missing reactions');
			return;
		}

		Dsq.Utils.execScript(Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/forums/scobleizer/queueurl.js');
	};
};

Dsq.CNN = function() {
	var obj = {};

	obj.authenticate = function() {
		var url = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + "/saml/cnn/try/";
		Dsq.Utils.postToUrl(url, {'target': document.location}, true);
	};

	return obj;
}();


if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) {
	(function() {
		DSQ_HEADER_AVATAR_RE = /<div class="dsq-header-avatar"(.*?)>/gim;
		Dsq.Templates.registerFilter('postPrependHeader', function(html, post_id) {
			// Add "onmouseout" for dsq-header-avatar for dropProfile
			// functionality since IE6 cannot use :hover.
			function _headerAvatarReplace(content, inner, _unused, html) {
				return '<div class="dsq-header-avatar" '
					+ inner
					+ ' onmouseout="Dsq.Post.dropProfile(' + post_id + ')">';
			}
			html = html.replace(DSQ_HEADER_AVATAR_RE, _headerAvatarReplace);
			return html;
		});
	})();
}





	// TODO: Move Seesmic code outside of the main script.  Don't let this script clobber the global namespace.
	if(typeof seesmic == 'undefined') { var seesmic = {}; }
	seesmic.widget = new function () {
		this.callback = function (data) {
			playerVersion = data.disqusplayer;
		};
	};

	
	var scriptEl = document.createElement('script');
	scriptEl.setAttribute('type', 'text/javascript');
	scriptEl.setAttribute('src', 'http://seesmic.com/version.js?callback=seesmic.widget.callback');
	document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(scriptEl);

	
	var scriptEl = document.createElement('script');
	scriptEl.setAttribute('type', 'text/javascript');
	scriptEl.setAttribute('src', 'http://media.disqus.com/javascript/library/swfobject.js');
	document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(scriptEl);

	function see_play_video(_videoUri, _add) {
		var swf = !!playerVersion ? playerVersion : 'http://seesmic.com/embeds/StandalonePlayer.swf';

		flashcontentDiv = Dsq.$(_videoUri + '_content');
		previewDiv = Dsq.$('dsq-seesmic-' + _videoUri + '_preview');
		hideDiv = Dsq.$('dsq-seesmic-' + _videoUri + '_hide');
		showDiv = Dsq.$('dsq-seesmic-' + _videoUri + '_show');
		if(_add) {
			// push flash widget
			var so = new SWFObject(swf, 'sotester', '300', '270', '9', '#000000');
			so.addVariable('video', _videoUri);
			so.addParam('allowFullScreen', 'true');
			so.addParam('allowScriptAccess','always');
			so.useExpressInstall('swfobject/expressinstall.swf');
			so.write(_videoUri + '_content');

			previewDiv.style.display = 'none';
			hideDiv.style.display = 'block';
			showDiv.style.display = 'none';
		}
		else {
			flashcontentDiv.innerHTML = '';
			previewDiv.style.display = 'block';
			hideDiv.style.display = 'none';
			showDiv.style.display = 'block';
		}
	};





(function() {
	//
	// Load theme.  This overrides the base templates with template functions
	// from the respective themes.
	//
	if (Dsq.jsonData.integration.theme == 4) {
		var theme = 'narcissus';
		// HACK: Set variable on window to use post message.
		window.disqus_use_postmessage = true;

		
		for(var prop in Dsq.Themes[theme]) {
			if(Dsq.Themes[theme] && Dsq.Themes[theme].hasOwnProperty(prop)) {
				Dsq.Templates[prop] = Dsq.Themes[theme][prop];
			}
		}
		
		for(var prop in Dsq.Post) {
			if(Dsq.Themes[theme] && Dsq.Themes[theme].hasOwnProperty(prop)) {
				Dsq.Post[prop] = Dsq.Themes[theme][prop];
			}
		}
	}

	//
	// Register templates.  This must be done after all themes are loaded.
	//
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('authPost', Dsq.Templates.authPost);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('header', Dsq.Templates.header);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('footer', Dsq.Templates.footer);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('trackbacks', Dsq.Templates.trackbacks);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('reactions', Dsq.Templates.reactions);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('prependPost', Dsq.Templates.prependPost);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('appendPost', Dsq.Templates.appendPost);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postPrependHeader', Dsq.Templates.postPrependHeader);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postAppendHeader', Dsq.Templates.postAppendHeader);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('preBody', Dsq.Templates.preBody);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postBody', Dsq.Templates.postBody);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postFooter', Dsq.Templates.postFooter);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('_popupGeneric', Dsq.Templates._popupGeneric);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('voted', Dsq.Templates.voted);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('popupProfile', Dsq.Templates.popupProfile);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postBox', Dsq.Templates.postBox);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('pagination', Dsq.Templates.pagination);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postComment_onSuccess', Dsq.Templates.postComment_onSuccess);

})();

Dsq.container.className = "clearfix";
Dsq.container.innerHTML = ' \
<ul id="dsq-comments">\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9647926">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9647926" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9647926" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647926" href="http://brentroos.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Brent</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9647926" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647926" class="dsq-comment-message">Isn\'t he withholding evidence of a federal crime? Isn\'t that also a crime? How is the government using "<em>scary powers</em>"?<br><br>If someone videotaped you getting beaten by a mob, wouldn\'t you want the tape to go to the authorities to be presented as evidence?<br><br>What would it hurt for this guy, to give a copy of his tape to the court?<br><br>A better question is: what is this guy hiding, that he is willing to spend time in jail for?</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9647925">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9647925" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9647925" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647925" href="http://www.geekentertainment.tv/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Eddie Codel</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9647925" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647925" class="dsq-comment-message">Brent: Josh is fighting for his right as a journalist to protect his unpublished footage and sources. In California, there is a shield law that allows journalists to do this.  The feds (which has no such sheild law) have decided to to make it a federal case because a city police car was allegedly burned and they claim since San Francisco gets some federal funding, that they have jurisdiction. Following that logic, just about anything can be a federal case!<br><br>If journalists have to turn over their sources, then that has a chilling effect on newsgathering as people will be much less likely to provide journalists with critical information (remember Watergate!).</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9647921">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9647921" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9647921" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647921" href="http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Robert Scoble</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9647921" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647921" class="dsq-comment-message">Brent: there\'s a big difference between someone getting beaten and a cop car getting burned. There\'s also a big difference between me voluntarily giving up my stuff and the government forcing it out of my hands.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9647920">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9647920" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9647920" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647920" href="http://www.martinbreton.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">brem</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9647920" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647920" class="dsq-comment-message">Isn\'t that fighting for the sole principle? Cause honestly, what else does he have to win in keeping these videos from the feds?<br><br>Or rather, what does he have to lose?</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9647918">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9647918" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9647918" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647918" href="http://act2.spaces.msn.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Alfred Thompson</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9647918" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647918" class="dsq-comment-message">It\'s hard to see a justification for withholding the video. In fact I would suggest that Josh Wolf is clearly working against the common good. A reasonable person would have handed to video over without being asked. There is no source to "protect" only criminals. Shame on you for taking his side.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9647917">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9647917" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9647917" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647917">LayZ</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9647917" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647917" class="dsq-comment-message">Great! Now we have Scoble being pretend attorney. I\'m having a hard time understanding what Josh is really protecting.  What does he risk losing by providing this evidence?  A source?  His ability to gather news in the future? Can you explain this beyond standing on princple. Seems pretty silly.  He has a lot to gain (namely not getting thrown in jail and fined) and very little to lose, unless I\'m missing something obvious beyond "making a statement"</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9647915">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9647915" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9647915" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647915" href="http://brentroos.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Brent</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9647915" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647915" class="dsq-comment-message">All I\'m asking is why is it such a big deal to not show the court this video?<br><br>Perhaps they could offer him a reward.<br><br>And he is a <em>freelance</em> journalist, correct? What are the boundaries of the law, considering this?<br><br>And Robert, I understand the difference between beatings and burnings. Okay, bad example then.<br><br>Let\'s say someone videotapes somebody <em>burning</em> your car. Would you not want the evidence available in court? Or would you just decide not to prosecute, because they were anarchists, and you happen to sympathize with them? The insurance will pay for it so screw it! Just curious.<br><br>And Eddie, I knew that <em>one</em> of you would mention Watergate! Thank you for proving that my instincts prove to be correct (about 90% of the time). Congratulations for being "<em>that guy</em>"!<br><br>We\'re talking about a video here right? What does this have to do with "<em>protecting sources</em>"?<br><br>And where is the boundary between protecting a source, and protecting a <em>criminal</em>?<br><br>When it comes to crimes, I sure wish that the man that got away with murdering my Aunt, wasn\'t <em>protected</em>.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9647911">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9647911" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9647911" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647911" href="http://tedshelton.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Ted Shelton</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9647911" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647911" class="dsq-comment-message">There is two interesting issues at stake here -- first, what can we as individuals ever expect to do in public that will remain private?  Why would people allegedly engaged in torching a police car ever expect that their actions were protected in any way?  If there were witnesses to their actions (human or machine, as in the case of a camera), why wouldn\'t the arsonists expect that these witnesses would give the government this evidence?  So folks that think that the government should have the right to see this evidence, since it was in a public place, are making a reasonable point.<br><br>However, this misses the sticky issue of how the evidence was collected.  If a recording of an event is being made and the person doing the recording is representing him or herself in the crowd as a journalist, he or she might be left alone by the perpetrators -- but if we come to expect that any recording (or observation for that matter) by a journalist is an open record for the government to peruse, will this prevent journalists from having access to events -- both through being blocked from participation and through threats of violence directed at such journalists?</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9647912">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9647912" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9647912" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647912">Brad</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9647912" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647912" class="dsq-comment-message">The case is "a slam dunk for the government,\'\' the judge said at the end of a 2 1/2 - hour hearing. Noting that the events Wolf photographed took place in public and involved no confidential sources, Alsup said there was a "legitimate need for law enforcement to have direct images of who was doing what to that police car.\'\'<br><br>"Every person, from the president of the United States down to you and me, has to give information to the grand jury if the grand jury wants it,\'\' Alsup said.<br><br><br>that\'s the key part of the article. This isn\'t some abuse of government power. There\'s no reason he shouldn\'t turn over the evidence. There\'s nothing confidential here.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9647913">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9647913" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9647913" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647913">Andrew</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9647913" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647913" class="dsq-comment-message">Ridiculous.<br><br>If he was protecting an anonymous source then I\'d back him all the way, but he\'s not. This isn\'t some leak about a new Apple product, he\'s withholding footage may allow the police to track down persons who have committed a crime. Let\'s say it again - A Crime.<br><br>The only difference between burning a police car and beating someone up is the magnitude of the offence. As with any citizen of a law-abiding society he has a public duty to aid the police in their enquiries, and journalist or not if it takes a court to force him to comply with those duties then so be it.<br><br>Frankly the whole thing seems like an attention getting exercise.<br><br>A.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647906">LayZ</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647906" class="dsq-comment-message">So, Ted, then I guess the govt should never have used any of the footage of the 9/11 disasters to gather evidence?</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647907" href="http://formulaphoto.typepad.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Warwick</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647907" class="dsq-comment-message">I would have to concur with Robert about one thing..."scary powers".  I am supposed to be in LA right now to cover the X Games for a Canadian <a href="http://www.flatovercrest.com" rel="nofollow">rally website</a> and magazine.  I had all my camera gear with me and told them straight up that what I was going for (I even had assignment letters from the Canadian publications).  They ordered me inside, and did - get this - a GOOGLE search on me.  They found a post I did on the rally website that was a reprint of a team\'s press release.  They started making faulty assumptions that I was working for that Canadian team, and because it was sponsored by a US company, that I was technically going to the US to work for a US company.  WHAAAAT?  A) I\'m not working for that team, and B) a sponsor of a company I "work" for has no bearing on me...I have no relationship with this US company.<br><br>Anyways, the agent locked onto the assumption that I was working for the team, wouldn\'t change his mind, held me in custody for 6 hours, and alternately threatened to bar me from the US for life or send me to jail to wait for a hearing.  For what?  Taking some damn photos of a sport event?  I\'m sorry, but some "authorities" in the states have way too much power.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647909" href="http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Robert Scoble</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647909" class="dsq-comment-message">&gt;What does he risk losing by providing this evidence?<br><br>I don\'t know. But it is his private property. Is the government allowed to just break into your home looking for evidence of a crime? They don\'t even know he HAS evidence. Only that he MIGHT have evidence.<br><br>And how do you know that a confidential source that he was interviewing for a story isn\'t on the tape? We don\'t know why he doesn\'t want to hand over the tapes. Just that he doesn\'t want to.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647910">Brad</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647910" class="dsq-comment-message">Because the judge said as much. And this is hardly breaking in to any one\'s home. A lawful request for the evidence was made and he\'s refusing. That\'s fine, now he pays the consequences for that decision.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647908" href="http://www.momentshowing.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">jay dedman</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647908" class="dsq-comment-message">We recorded Josh a week ago when he gave a press conference: <a href="http://ryanishungry.com/?p=12" rel="nofollow">http://ryanishungry.com/?p=12</a><br>You can see links to the original video that prompted the government to ask for his orginal tapes.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647904" href="http://www.blogmedia.biz/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Matt</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647904" class="dsq-comment-message">Come on, this is ridiculous.  The guy videotaped something in public - that didn\'t involve confidential sources - and now he\'s in jail because he refuses to turn over the evidence.<br><br>He deserves it.  What an idiot.<br><br>In the end, this is what\'s going to happen:<br>*  He\'ll serve time in jail.<br>*  He\'ll appeal and spend $15,000 and lose - and lose badly.<br>*  He\'ll end up handing over the tapes.<br><br>Matt</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647905" href="http://in-cider.spaces.msn.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Cider</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647905" class="dsq-comment-message">Come on, Robert.<br><br>There\'s a simple reason why he\'s not helping the police:  he thinks he\'s a rebel and he\'s fighting "The Man".  Look at his blog page.  Its all "yeah, right, and then the fascist police came along and arrested us, yeah, right on, fight the power!".  Most people grow out of it when they are about 15.<br><br>The fact is, there was an alledged crime and, because he can\'t be seen by his indymedia-reading, mask-wearing cohorts to be helping the police, he\'s ended up being locked away by the "fascist regime, maaaan".  Cry me a river.  Oh, and Robert, please don\'t chastise someone for suggesting a police car being burnt out is so little in comparison to a beating, and then turn around and say that asking for video tapes for a crime investigation is equivilant to a house being broken into.<br><br>Interestingly, the report mentioned the judge noted it "involved no confidential sources".  That means, it was a consideration in the judge\'s decision.  As in, if it did, it could well have affected the judgement.  Him giving over the tapes is hardly the first stepping stone towards the end of journalism.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647902">amicus curae</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647902" class="dsq-comment-message">Warwick - you have no "right" of entry to the US.  Whatever their reasons, they were entitled to bar you.  You have no cause to whine, and your situation is irrelevant to the matter at hand.<br><br>If the tapes have "other material" on them, he could have discussed that with the Judge, and made an arrangement to release only the pertinent parts.<br><br>As it goes, he\'s obstructing an investigation, and is borderline an accessory after the fact.  Screw him.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647903">Bill</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647903" class="dsq-comment-message">I\'m heartened by the fact that everything I was coming to say has been said.  Josh is clearly in the wrong, and deserves to be locked up if he wishes to continue being so.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647901">LayZ</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647901" class="dsq-comment-message">Good grief, Scoble. Did you major in hyperbole (look it up!)?  What SOURCE would he be protecting? Brother!!!  your argument is pathetic! And as far as I\'m concerned any source he would be protecting that was complicit in a crime committed against police officers deserves anything the govt. can throw at him.<br><br>Would you please provide ANY evidence that "the govt" did anything beyond requesting he turn over the tape?  Where the hell did you get "breaking in" from?<br><br>Sure, I guess it COULD HAPPEN. But, as Wayne Cambell said: "It might happen, tsshyeah, right, and monkeys might fly out of my butt."</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647900" href="http://seoptimization.blog.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">SEARCH Engine Web ♣</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647900" class="dsq-comment-message"><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/02/washington/02phones.html?hp&amp;ex=1154491200&amp;en=c791ad748e380e05&amp;ei=5094&amp;partner=homepage" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/02/washington/02...</a><br><br><br>Read today\'s decision in the New York Times Case<br><br> a similar analogy</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647899" href="http://kr8tr.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">kr8tr</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647899" class="dsq-comment-message">Normally I am very supportive of a journalist\'s rights to protect sources - in this case, there are no sources - just random people vandalizing things.  Who is being protected?  Not even the Journalistic Integrity, in this case - there isn\'t any.  There is no presumed "expectation of privacy" when you are burning police cars on a public street.  This one just doesn\'t pass the smell test.<br><br>Fight the fights worth fighting - this one is, in my opinion, like the judge said - a "slam dunk".<br><br>And you bet you ass if it wasn\'t a police car being burned, but MY car, I would certainly expect that I could use any evidence available to find the jackasses who burned it - what are they supposedly being protected FROM?  The right to abuse other people\'s property?  No way.  The tape should have been given over quickly, willingly, and with the integrity of a citizen doing the "right thing".  This isn\'t a case of hiding the identities of people that may disagree with their governement -- this is a case of crooks - vandals - and they should be punished, not protected.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647897" href="http://brentroos.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Brent</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647897" class="dsq-comment-message"><blockquote>Is the government allowed to just break into your home looking for evidence of a crime?</blockquote><br><br>Um, yes --with something called a court order, or a warrant. Ever heard of that? Since the <em>court</em> is <em>ordering</em> it: say it with me Robert --[it\'s a] COURT ORDER.<br><br>You should\'ve been a defense lawyer instead of a geek.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647898" href="http://kr8tr.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">kr8tr</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647898" class="dsq-comment-message">Robert - time to step up here and admit it on this one - you made a mistake.  We all do it.  But there isn\'t any way that you can legally or morally justify NOT turning over the tape in this case.<br><br>You perhaps didn\'t read things closely enough, and got dragged into this argument on false assumptions on your part.  Or you saw "Videoblogger" and it hit too close to your heart and your emotions took over.<br><br>In any case, your position is not defensible here.  You are just wrong, and so is the fundamental argument for not providing the tapes.  This is not "Big Government" stepping on the little guy\'s rights - this is OUR Government enforcing OUR laws so that OUR rights are collectively protected.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647893" href="http://www.whatcounts.com/blog?pid=965AABA79286169C" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">David Geller</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647893" class="dsq-comment-message">I believe Josh is concerned about the rest of his "tape" which covered an "anarchists" parade. He\'s less concerned about the car.<br><br>My concern about this case is the "federalizing" of the event due to components of the car having been paid from by the Federal government.<br><br>What about our highway system. Is a speeding case on I90 suddenly allowed to take on Federal status? Could OJ\'s famous run from LA Police have been considered a Federal matter because our Federal monies help pave the highway system? The police visit your apartment for a loud music complaint from your neighbors. Could that be Federalized because the electrical and phone services that feed your home were all built up by the Federal Government?<br><br>Doesn\'t it scare any of you that this issue was, essentially, removed from the San Francisco system? The Federal government couldn\'t give a damn about the SFPD cruiser. They want to see who attended the parade Josh covered.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647895" href="http://www.anotherblogger.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Aaron B. Hockley</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647895" class="dsq-comment-message">Robert, you lost some credibility in my book by taking this stance on this case.  As numerous other commenters have pointed out, he\'s not protecting a source, this is nothing but a grandstanding act which you seem to have bought hook, line, and sinker.  This isn\'t some covert undercover cop seizing things on a whim... proper procedures were followed to obtain a subpeona, and he\'s refusing.  You can\'t pick and choose when you want to follow the law.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647894">LayZ</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647894" class="dsq-comment-message">Geller, you\'re making as much of stretch as Robert is with his "govt breaking down your door" scare tactic. The might be fun to argue in moot court, but this is actual court.   To answer your question, it doesn\'t scare me one bit. I can\'t believe the number of  black helicopters you and Scoble think you are seeing.<br><br>So, lemme see if I have this straight.  It\'s okay to ban prayer in school and in other public facilities because they receive federal funding, but it\'s not okay to apply the federal funding argument to other areas of the law?  Just trying to understand when and where one can and can\'t use the federal funding argument. I\'m sure I can come up with other examples where federal funding is used to support someone pet cause.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647892" href="http://www.momentshowing.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">jay dedman</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647892" class="dsq-comment-message">Im surprised at the certainty most of the commenters have in this case. To act as if there aren\'t some justified questions in this case is a little scary. Says a lot about where we are in this country. Are we reading the same article?<br><a href="http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/08/01/MNGVQK97AK4.DTL" rel="nofollow">http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/20...</a><br><br>First, why is this a Federal case for a local crime?<br><br>"Prosecutors contend that burning a police car is a federal crime because the San Francisco Police Department receives federal funds. Wolf and his lawyers accuse the government of manipulating the case to sidestep California\'s shield law, which allows journalists to withhold unpublished material and confidential sources from prosecutors. There is no federal shield law, and the state law does not apply in federal court."<br><br>And second, Josh\'s lawyer tried to get the tapes screened privately so he could determine if there was something relevant. The judge refused.<br><br>Locally, the worry is that the FEDERAL government is trying to make sure they can ask for people\'s videotapes of public events to bascially keep databases of people who attend these political protests.<br><br>You think this is paranoid?<br>Look at the times we live in.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647889" href="http://corphq.livejournal.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">kaiserfraud</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647889" class="dsq-comment-message">At least thanks to you and other bloggers who are paying attention, Josh has a chance of getting public support. Unfortunately there are no legal rights for anyone under the "lawyer-paying" income level anymore. If a blogger steps out of line, the corporate PR department simply cues the news to tell a "scary blogger" story. That way no pro bono lawyer will touch them, and your supposed political representatives won\'t get involved because no one\'s making phone calls on your behalf. In fact, if corporate PR makes you look like a villain, your political representatives can probably be easily swayed to help suppress your rights so they can get a shiny photo op at the expense of their vulnerable constituent.<br><br>If you\'re forced to represent yourself in court, the team of lawyers on the other side of the table can just lie about you with no inhibition whatsoever. In fact, in California, there\'s something called a "tentative ruling" that allows the judge to get out of reading what you have to say if he doesn\'t feel like it.<br><br>You can read about my story here:<br><a href="http://corphq.livejournal.com/60599.html" rel="nofollow">http://corphq.livejournal.com/60599.html</a><br><br>Because many of the problems I encountered seem systemic, I\'m willing to bet that people are being deprived of their Constitutional rights every day simply because those with power can get away with it, and the media seems to think it\'s their job to make sure the public won\'t defend the rights of the individual. They simply have more of an interest in making corporations and important government figures happy. There\'s absolutely no one there to defend the rights of poor, uninfluential people.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647888" href="http://tedshelton.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Ted Shelton</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647888" class="dsq-comment-message">off topic - look how broken comments are.  This should be threaded...<br><br>anyway in response to #11 which was a response to my #8 -- the point I was making was not that media should keep their video tapes private or that governments shouldn\'t use information that has already been made public, as you imply with the 9/11 exmaple. But rather that journalists shouldn\'t be compelled to make their video tapes public.<br><br>As David Geller points out in comment #25 - maybe the federal government actually wants to see the "anarchists" who attended the page and the issue of the police cruiser is merely a red herring.  Perhaps Josh attended the parade as a journalist and the marchers didn\'t attack him, chase him off, forbid him from filming because they trusted that as a journalist he would be reporting on the event, not reporting on their identities to the government.<br><br>It is worthwhile to revisit history here for a moment (with thanks to "A History of News" by Mitchell Stephens):<br><br>On August 16, 1819 one of the first "journalists" as we would now recognize him stood on the stage at Saint Peter\'s Field in Manchester observing perhaps fifty thousand English men and women who had gathered there peacefully in support of parliamentary reform.  John Tyas, the reporter, was allowed to be present and observe the events because the organizers recognized that he was an independent observer - a reporter for the Times of London.  When the government moved in on the crowd with sabers and injured approximately 420 people and killed perhaps a dozen, John Tyas was able to provide an independent account that reached the rest of the nation and the world.<br><br>"Peterloo," as the tragic event became known, may have been an important turning point in bringing change to the British system of government -- Our western democracies rely upon  freedom of speech to both raise dissenting questions about our government\'s policies and practices, and to protect that right to dissent by reporting to the public what happens to people when they raise their voices in protest.<br><br>The problem with the Josh case is that it directly infringes on this second part of freedom of speech -- the ability to report on dissent.  By giving the government carte blanche to sieze a reporter\'s notes, recordings, or compel him/her to testify we create an environment in which reporters are afraid to be present at such events -- both because they fear the governments long hand reaching for them and because of the fears of the people involved in dissent -- they may not want journalists to be present if they see these journalists as extensions of the government\'s law enforcement activities.<br><br>What are the alternatives that the Federal Government may have for prosecuting their case regarding the SFPD cruiser?  Has every avenue other than seizing Josh\'s video been exhausted?<br><br>Here is another question -- How much more than the cost of the cruiser has the Federal government already spent prosecuting this case? Does that say something about why they really want the video? I agree with Geller.  This is not about a police cruiser.  It is about the government pursuing dissidents.  Check out the ACLU\'s latest report on our governments activities spying on American\'s legal political activities:  <a href="http://aclunc.org/surveillance_report/" rel="nofollow">http://aclunc.org/surveillance_report/</a></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647884">Karim</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647884" class="dsq-comment-message">The trailer for <a rel="nofollow"> has the following text:<br><br><b>SEVEN YEARS FROM NOW<br><br>EVERYTHING YOU DO<br>WILL BE RECORDED</b><br><br>Science "fiction."  Hahahahaha...</a></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647885">Karim</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647885" class="dsq-comment-message">dang, I\'m gonna have to learn how to close an anchor tag.<br><br>Should read,<br><br>The trailer for <a href="http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0405296/1125.jpg" rel="nofollow">A Scanner Darkly</a> has the following text:</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647887" href="http://brentroos.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Brent</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647887" class="dsq-comment-message">I think we are ignoring a huge point here. Is this guy a journalist, or a <em>blogger</em>? There is a HUGE difference you know. Blogs are not the news. I know a lot of bloggers like to think that they are, but they are not. They are weblogs that journal opinions.<br><br>Blogging requires absolutely zero qualification.<br><br>Do press laws somehow cover blogging now too? If this is the case, then where does it stop, because any idiot can have a blog? A child can have a blog. Are children also protected by this law?<br><br>Bottomline --this guy needs to just grow up, and be a law abiding citizen like the rest of us. He needs to stop acting like a self absorbed dork.<br><br>If I saw someone commit arson to a police car, I would call the police. But that\'s just the type of person I am --a good person, and a law abiding citizen, who happens to contribute something <em>positive</em> to society.<br><br>How is Josh helping anyone? This is such a joke!<br><br>Robert, the government is not out to get you. The police is not your enemy. The FBI is under oath to protect you.<br><br>Robert are you an anarchist sympathizer like Josh? Wow dude, you\'re cool --not!<br><br>There is no conspiracy here. The <em>Man</em> is not following you. The government is concerned with prosecuting <em>crime</em>.<br><br>No rights are being violated here, except the rights of a police department, and a prosecutor, to prosecute a case in the court of law.<br><br>You act like this is Cuba or something!</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647883" href="http://www.momentshowing.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">jay dedman</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647883" class="dsq-comment-message">Brent from Comment 33.<br>you have very strong feelings obviously:<br><a href="http://tinyurl.com/mqfmo" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/mqfmo</a><br>Your very clear about how innocent Mel Gibson is.<br><br>Courts are here to allow Josh\'s issues to be worked out. Let\'s not just call Josh a "self absorbed dork".<br><br>And yes, of course, a blogging can be journalism. Are you serious with this question? What is this 1998? This is one of the issues of the court case.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647880" class="dsq-comment-message"><blockquote>Let’s not just call Josh a “self absorbed dork”.</blockquote><br><br>Granted. I have seen your blog, and I am glad to include you as well.<br><br>Blogging can be journalism if the blogger is a <em>journalist</em>. Do you consider yourself a journalist? If you have a video camera, and a vlog (a video weblog for those of you who don\'t know), are you automatically considered a journalist, therefore press laws apply to you, and you are above testimony in a criminal case?<br><br>Grow up. San Francisco is still under the jurisdiction of Federal law. I\'m sure that the rest of us wouldn\'t have much of a problem cutting all of the federal funding for you, since you don\'t appreciate it a bit, anyway. or if you do, you sure have a funny way of showing it --you know like not helping the authorities prosecute an arson on a police department\'s property. The police are there for you. Are you aware of this?<br><br>I never said Mel Gibson is guilty or innocent, he has. I repeated only what he said, and added that if it is genuine, then I am willing to forgive his mistake. I too used to be an alcoholic, and I was arrested once for belligerent behavior. Everybody makes mistakes. Admitting this is what matters. That is totally different and irrelevant from what we\'re talking about here. But thanks for the link ;).<br><br>I am serious with the question, because if this is the case that bloggers are considered journalists, then what are the boundaries of the law, in terms of whom we are speaking of? Is every blogger considered a journalist? If so, then this law applies to everyone who has a blog? Doesn\'t <em>everyone</em> have a blog? That would mean that most of the population is the press! That really does not make practical sense, and will never fly in the court system.<br><br>Who is saying that this is one of the issues of the case? The judge? I doubt it. If this blogger is considered a journalist, then I want the same protection that he has. I also want to be considered a <em>journalist</em>. Can I also be considered an author?<br><br>This is such a crock. And no, I don\'t feel that strongly about it. I couldn\'t really give a crap. People can do what they want. However, when I see crap, I confront it. I\'m <em>that</em> type of person.<br><br>I, as well as the majority of the rest of the responders here, seem to think I make a pretty valid point, whereas you and Robert do not.<br><br>We are talking about a young man who videotaped a riot which included the arson of a police vehicle, and he refuses to help the prosecution of this crime, therefore is (deservedly) being held in contempt of court, for his own crime --obstruction of justice!<br><br>Why must you <em>defend</em> the actions of criminals?<br><br>If someone burned your car, wouldn\'t you want the arsonist prosecuted, and if someone taped it, wouldn\'t you demand that it be used as evidence?<br><br>Um, isn\'t it the <em>victim</em><em> of the arson, who </em><em>should</em> be protected here? The press seems to be only concerned with it\'s <em>own</em> rights, but not with the rights of <em>law-abiding citizens</em>.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647871" class="dsq-comment-message">Hand it over. If he was taping illegal acts then selling them to New Stations, and posting them on websites, he is making a profit. Why doesn\'t every criminal get a camera and tape crimes, sell the exclusive footage to News organizations, then wrap themselves in some law to protect themselves? His conduct was participatory, he should face the music.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647867" href="http://www.momentshowing.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">jay dedman</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647867" class="dsq-comment-message">Brent from Comment #35.<br>It difficult to take any of your comments seriously because you\'re so condescending. You\'re starting to show yourself as a right-wing wing nut.<br><br>You do expose some very good points:<br>"Blogging can be journalism if the blogger is a journalist."<br>so who is a journalist? Only someone who works for a "journalist company"?<br><br>"The police are there for you. Are you aware of this?"<br>Sure. Police are people like us. Most of them are good. BUT have you seen the video that Josh recorded?<br><a href="http://tinyurl.com/rzj94" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/rzj94</a><br>Towards the end you see a supposedly Federal Marshal, gun drawn, with a laser guide, yelling "Leave or you\'re going to be fucking blasted".<br>Your kind of black and white thinking is exactly what has put our country in these dire times. Yes, police are good, but some can be bad.<br><br>"I never said Mel Gibson is guilty or innocent, he has. I repeated only what he said, and added that if it is genuine, then I am willing to forgive his mistake."<br>I just brought up your Mel Gibson blog post because I think it\'s ironic how quickly sympathetic you are to an influential man who was caught drunk driving and hurling racial slurs and then got his PR team to do damage control....but you are so quick to condemn a young man who was simply a witness at a public event. You\'re making it obvious that your poltics are apriority for you.<br><br>"Is every blogger considered a journalist? If so, then this law applies to everyone who has a blog? Doesn’t everyone have a blog? That would mean that most of the population is the press!"<br>This is the greatest series of questions that need answering. Now that everyone can pick up a camera and record events and distribute to the world...shouldn\'t we have rights? Other than being paid, how are we different? Coming from the news BUSINESS, I agree that professional journalism is supposed to have integrity and ethics...but in this world of infotainment, we have all seen too many examples of weak, biased reporting and compromised editing to put professional journalists in some special category.<br>Regular people blogging have really added to our public discourse and we do need rights.<br><br>"If this blogger is considered a journalist, then I want the same protection that he has. I also want to be considered a journalist. Can I also be considered an author?"<br>Answers: Good, you should want the same rights. And yes, you can be considered an author.<br><br>"This is such a crock. And no, I don’t feel that strongly about it. I couldn’t really give a crap. People can do what they want. However, when I see crap, I confront it. I’m that type of person."<br>Come on, you do feel strongly about this issue which is why you keep coming back for more. You do it because you\'re a blogger and want to engage in a conversation and want your voice heard. This is why blogging is so cool. We can also both see each other\'s sites to get context.<br><br>"We are talking about a young man who videotaped a riot which included the arson of a police vehicle, and he refuses to help the prosecution of this crime, therefore is (deservedly) being held in contempt of court, for his own crime –obstruction of justice!<br>Why must you defend the actions of criminals?"<br><br>No one is defending criminals. Josh is a young man who recorded a public event. He says he does not have any video of the car burning and has offerd the judge(who has refused) to privately scan the tapes. Josh simply doesnt want to hand over his tapes to the authorities so they could use it to make lists of marchers. You don\'t think this happens?<br><a href="http://tinyurl.com/qeabg" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/qeabg</a><br>We\'re at a point in this debate, and in this country, when the facts are too clear. Now it\'s just whether you want to accept the realites or not.<br><br>"The press seems to be only concerned with it’s own rights, but not with the rights of law-abiding citizens."<br>Yes Brent, this is the whole point. The press and BLOGGERS are law biding citizens. We cannot have a country where everyone is being thrown in jail for documenting events. I\'m sure you feel safe with your beliefs now, but what happens when a different administration takes power and suddenly your ideas are no longer "correct". Do you want harassment based on what you write or videotape?<br><br>This is an objective question that needs to be answered seriously. Court decisions set precedent which can be very powerful in deciding future cases.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647866">Karim</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647866" class="dsq-comment-message"><i> then wrap themselves in some law to protect themselves? </i><br><br>Apparently the State law <i>does</i> protect him.  I\'m assuming California enacted the shield law for a reason.  (But it\'s <i>California</i>, so, you know, the reason might have involved alignment of chakras.)<br><br>The Federal law doesn\'t protect him, which is apparently why it became a Federal case.<br><br>I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV.  So far all I have dug up is <a href="http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/crm01011.htm" rel="nofollow">U.S.C. &amp;#167 666</a>, which seems to imply that if you steal from an organization that takes more than $10,000 from the Federal Government, and the value of the loss exceeds $5,000, it\'s now magically a Federal Case.<br><br>I\'m assuming the cop car cost more than $5,000.<br><br>-- BEGIN JOKE --<br>So, I suppose today\'s tip for anarchists is that their looting, pillaging, raping and burning must cause a monetary loss of $4,999.99 or less, or the FBI will come after you.  Remember, kids: always get the Blue Book value of a cruiser <i>before</i> you torch it.<br>-- END JOKE --<br><br>Caveat: My legal training is limited to having watched <i>The Paper Chase</i> and several <i>People\'s Court</i> episodes.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647864" class="dsq-comment-message">@41  "Objection, Your Honor!  Badgering the witness!!!"<br><br>:-)</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647865" class="dsq-comment-message">Like others I have problem with bloggers suddenly saying they are "journalists".  I think this Josh dude is simply in it for the publicity.  I\'m sure he\'s quickly moving up the "A list" rankings now. (But, as Seinfeld said "I\'m not sure how official any of these rankings really are")<br><br>To be sure the Federal Govt\'s reach is much farther than the Constitution intended. But again, no one seems to have a problem with the Federal Govt wanting to protect them when it comes to religious beliefs they disagree with, providing them craded to grave care with other people\'s money for example. But when the Fed Govt wants to step in to prosecute a crime, we now have a problem?  Talk about hypocricy.<br><br>Look out!!!  Another black helicopter flying over head!</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647863" href="http://dotnetjunkies.com/WebLog/paul/default.aspx" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">paul</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647863" class="dsq-comment-message">There are fascists in every society, but what is really scary is that they are readers of the Scobleizer.<br><br>John Dean\'s new book Conservatives Without Conscience is very insightful regarding fascists in America.<br><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0670037745/sr=8-1/qid=1154533432/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-2618690-2109732?ie=UTF8" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0670037745/sr=...</a></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647862">LayZ</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647862" class="dsq-comment-message">So, people that want crimes prosecuted are facists??? Got it! Thanks!</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647861" href="http://www.thepenguinmafia.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Matt Foxtrot</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647861" class="dsq-comment-message">Maybe this is just me, but I don\'t see why he\'s clinging so hard to the footage. He has no "sources" who provided information to him that he has to protect.<br><br>When you go to interview a source you know that what will transpire there will possibly put that person in legal hot water. However, there\'s a big difference between talking with a source about murdering someone and recording him doing it - releasing a tape with his face blotched out - then refusing to hand your footage over to the FBI when they want it.<br><br>He should\'ve handed over the tape in the first place.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647860">T Man</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647860" class="dsq-comment-message">Robert, your post is sensationalism at its best.  Just like the teaser for the 11 o\'clock news, you make it seem like his ONLY "crime" (willing to cede on usage of this word, but seems the best at the time) was to videotape a protest.  Well, there was a little more to it than that.  Those tapes can be used as evidence.  Arson is NOT a minor offense, and I really don\'t want people that think they can set fire to anything, especially something that I (we collectively) paid for.  And, reverse this a little bit, and imagine an arsonist set fire to YOUR shiny new BMW.  Horrible to conceive, and not certainly something I wish on anyone, but I certainly would want to make sure that if evidence existed to prosecute someone, I want that evidence to be used.<br><br>And seriously, how are all of these bloggers suddenly calling themselves "journalists?"  I\'m not a defender of the typical journalist, and I think that sometimes a blogger DOES report the news better than some seasoned journalists, but that suddenly doesn\'t mean that he IS a journalist.  In comparison, if your doctors office employed people that were not formally a nurse, would you still go to that doctor, even though the doctor insists that the "nurse" is just as good as any other nurse?  Why treat the field of journalism any different.  Can you not major in the field of journalism?  What gives a blogger the right to call themselves journalist when they are not?</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647858" href="http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Robert Scoble</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647858" class="dsq-comment-message">T Man: that\'s an interesting question. Yes, I believe that all bloggers have the same rights as paid journalists. This isn\'t China, you know.<br><br>And, if you were to burn my BMW I\'d probably want to kill you. But, that wouldn\'t make that action right. And it wouldn\'t be allowable under law. We still do live under laws, right?<br><br>The shield laws are important for journalists who try to do real work. I do view this as a slippery slope.<br><br>If I have to worry about protecting the people I\'m videotaping I just will do less videotaping.<br><br>Just like if I am going to worry about lawsuits I\'m going to tell you less about what I\'m hearing Apple is announcing next week at its conferences.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647857" href="http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Robert Scoble</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647857" class="dsq-comment-message">LayZ: it depends what crimes you want persecuted and how many laws you\'re willing to "bend" to get your way.<br><br>I seem to remember a certain country in Europe who wanted certain crimes "persecuted" too.<br><br>I promised my mom I\'d stick up for the little guy: always.<br><br>&gt;You are just wrong, and so is the fundamental argument for not providing the tapes.<br><br>If I\'m wrong, I\'d rather be on the side of the little guy rather than the government who has infinite resources to pound the little guy into the pavement.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647849">Brad</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647849" class="dsq-comment-message">So destroying police cars shouldn\'t be prosecutable  then. Gotcha. Likening that to Nazi Germany is just absolutely silly.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647850" class="dsq-comment-message">Robert,<br>You want to be a journalist? Fine. Get a press pass.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647852" href="http://www.momentshowing.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">jay dedman</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647852" class="dsq-comment-message">For those commenters who are bringing up the tedious argument of "are bloggers journalists"...please check out this current post: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/ezc3u" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/ezc3u</a>.<br><br>The journalism vs blogging argument seems to me to be a way for you to ignore realities that people have put forward when it comes to police mining videotapes to create databases of people who attend protests.<br><a href="http://tinyurl.com/qeabg" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/qeabg</a></div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647854" href="http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Robert Scoble</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647854" class="dsq-comment-message">Bill: &gt;You want to be a journalist? Fine. Get a press pass.<br><br>That demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of the press. There is no licensing body. Who hands out press passes anyway? Yeah, you need them to get access to individual events, but not to "report" the news.<br><br>Brad: there are bigger issues here than prosecuting a car arson. But, keep on believing this is just about that. Looking at life in a binary/simplistic way is often easier than thinking about the bigger issues involved here.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647856">Brad</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647856" class="dsq-comment-message">If they had broken in and taken the tape you might have a point. But nothing here indicates that anything is being done improperly or outside of normal processes.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647846">LayZ</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647846" class="dsq-comment-message">Scoble, the minute you can get a press pass to cover the Super Bowl as a blogger, or get in the White House Press room (yea I know the Bush administration let some guy in that wrote positively for them), then I\'ll buy your "bloggers are journalists" argument.<br><br>And you keep in believing that the govt is out to get you and the boogeyman is hding under your bed.  Jesus!  The 60\'s are OVER, dude!</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647844" href="http://brentroos.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Brent</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647844" class="dsq-comment-message">Hey Scoble, doesn\'t the police also have a right to make an argument in court, with access to all available evidence?<br><br><strong>We still do live under laws, right?</strong></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647843">LayZ</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647843" class="dsq-comment-message">And I\'m still waiting for someone to tell me what "source" the "journalist" is protecting and how his future ability to "report the news" will be compromised by turning over his tapes.<br><br>And Karim eloquently pointed out the Fed Govt\'s authority to intervene in this case. What their "ulterior motives" might be is simply tin foil hat wearing paranioa that has no basis in fact.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647842">Mark</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647842" class="dsq-comment-message">Robert,<br><br>I think Josh should do anything he wants to do as long as he understands the consequences.   Unfortunately, based on reading his blog, he will just blame this incident on the evil government.    I really get the feeling he is reveling in the attention.     And you reacting to the fact he is a friend and videoblogger is just feeding it.<br><br>Is he a journalist?  Where do we draw the line today between somone who is a journalist and someone who just posted something on the internet?  Does everyone now get the benefits and freedoms that the press get?<br><br>If I write on a blog about a criminal event and that I have access to information about who was the responsible, can I know refuse to tell the police what I know because I am protecting my sources?   Not a lawyer but this seems like a path to a huge problem.<br><br>Your real concern shouldn\'t be for Josh, your bigger concern should be about all the people you will probably not be able to influence and touch in the future now based on this post.    You hit a nerve and as someone who is in the middle of the spectrum (or a binary/simplistic thinker) I have decided if your trend is in this direction that you are not on my reading list anymore.  I read and see enough of this stuff on TV, I look to you for something different.<br><br>I admire you for taking a stance and helping a friend, but I think that you need to think a bit more before being so passionate and reacting so quickly in the future to land mines like this one. Scary Powers really was a strong thing to say and I think you could have used a better pair of words to describe the situation.  I bet if you would have opened up with a What do you Think?  You could have helped Josh and not gotten so personally involved.<br><br>I think your creditibility was hurt here.   Something I think most bloggers forget when the post their comments.  I am not saying don\'t comment or participate, just understand the consequences.    You cannot afford to lose touch with your audience.<br><br>Of course I could be wrong and your audience is not me but Josh and what I just wrote was meaningless.<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Mark</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647841" href="http://fluxview.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">FluxRostrum</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647841" class="dsq-comment-message">Eddie\'s post #2 on this list seems to have been overlooked/<br><br>"The feds (which has no such sheild law) have decided to to make it a federal case because a city police car was allegedly burned and they claim since San Francisco gets some federal funding, that they have jurisdiction. Following that logic, just about anything can be a federal case!"<br><br>Federal money flows into every nook an cranny of our lives in one way or another.  Claiming they have jusrisdiction over anything they drop some change on means that State Laws are completly irrelevant... of course there have been other examples of this behavior in regard to California\'s Medical Marijuana Laws..<br>What about the 10th Ammendment?<br>"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."<br><br>"The Tenth Amendment is sometimes cited as constitutional ground denying Congress the right to pass any law it sees fit. However, Congress has cited its authority under the Commerce Clause for the authority to pass laws in realms of human behavior not mentioned in the Constitution. If a particular activity affects interstate commerce in any way, they have argued, that Congress has the authority to regulate that activity."<br><br>Interstate Commerce?<br><br><a href="http://www.networkworld.com/community/?q=node/6499" rel="nofollow">Also, this is not just about whether a "citizen journalist" is a real "journalist" or not because corporate reporters phone records are also unfire from the Feds.</a></div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647830" href="http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Robert Scoble</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647830" class="dsq-comment-message">Josh is not my friend. He\'s just someone I know. Just to clear that up.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647831">-dn</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647831" class="dsq-comment-message">It looks to me like this guy is trying to get legal precedence set for Bloggers, problem is, he’s dead wrong in this case.  At least I hope that’s what he is doing otherwise he’s doing nothing more then protecting people who feel it’s justifiable to burn cars, and there is nothing honorable about that on any level.  Somewhere in America’s legal history (if not from the start) justice took a back seat and in it’s place rules that were set up to protect innocent people became twisted to make shields and loopholes for criminals to walk through.<br><br>It seems very few people care about what’s right and wrong anymore.  I’m all for protecting our rights I think people (lawyers) give away our rights every day to win a lawsuit.  Every time you turn around we give up another freedom in the name of security, what we are really doing is renouncing our need to be responsible and losing everything that goes with it, but that’s another rant for another day.<br><br>I doubt he’s protecting someone, he would have destroyed the tapes if it was a friend or if it implicated himself in anyway.  I think it’s a great way for him to make headlines in a way that (he believes) won’t harm his future.  This guy is doing nothing more then costing taxpayers money, I for one think he like so many others are an embarrassment to society.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647840" href="http://www.geekentertainment.tv/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Eddie Codel</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647840" class="dsq-comment-message">So many commenters here are so sure they know what is on that tape and are absolutely sure that there is nothing for Josh to protect. Has anyone outside of Josh even seen the full tapes? The bottom line is we DON\'T KNOW what is on the rest of those tapes and for any of us, including the judge, to make an asumption about it\'s contents is ridiculous. This IS about journalist integrity and it IS about jurisdiction. This kind of thing ABSOLUTELY has a chilling effect on newsgathering and does erode our notion of a free press.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647839" href="http://www.momentshowing.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">jay dedman</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647839" class="dsq-comment-message">Just for more background and good points:<br>Reporters without Borders:<br><a href="http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=18457" rel="nofollow">http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=18457</a><br><br>Jeff Jarvis:<br><a href="http://tinyurl.com/n43c3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/n43c3</a></div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647838" href="http://brentroos.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Brent</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647838" class="dsq-comment-message">But Eddie, you are equating journalism with blogging.<br><br>It\'s a case of apples and oranges.<br><br>Is a twelve year old girl with a blog, considered a journalist to you?<br><br>Or, for a better example, is a young person with a blog and a camera, with otherwise, <strong>no other credentials whatsoever</strong>, considered a journalist to you?<br><br>Where do we draw the line?<br><br>Here\'s an idea: how about those with a degree that specifies the <em>credentials</em>?</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9647851" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647851" href="http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Robert Scoble</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647851" class="dsq-comment-message">Brent: yes. She is a journalist too. Deal with it. I hate that you brought a kid into this, though, cause they don\'t have adult rights so it\'s not easy to answer your question here.<br><br>So, let me restate your question: "is a college student who has a MySpace page a journalist?" Absolutely yes, is my answer.<br><br>There is no credential for journalism. Deal with it.<br><br>Stop being elitist. Or, do you feel the words "all men are created equal" only applies to certain people who have professional credentials?<br><br>Now,</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647837" href="http://act2.spaces.live.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Alfred Thompson</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647837" class="dsq-comment-message">Sticking up for the little guy is great when the little guy is in the right. I see little honor in sticking up for the little guy when the little guy is wrong.<br>As for the blogger v. journalist question I am all in favor of everyone having the same rights regardless of their income, wealth or what they do for a living. Giving secial privileges to bloggers, journalists or police acting as private citizens is all part of a slipery slope away from a democratic system.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647836" href="http://jonnygoldstein.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Jonny Goldstein</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647836" class="dsq-comment-message">Brent, the thing is, people can do great journalistic work without having credentials. And they can do lousy work with credentials. Many newspaper reporters don\'t have a journalism degree, and no one makes a fuss about it. There are no formal government or industry guidelines as to who is a journalist.<br><br>Still, If you need some kind of institutional certification that he\'s a journalist, he was labelled such in recent New York Times and SF Chronicle stories.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647922" href="http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Robert Scoble</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647922" class="dsq-comment-message">Jonny: and he\'s on the front page of the Chronicle too, so you can bet that real journalists are paying VERY close attention to this story.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647923" href="http://brentroos.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Brent</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647923" class="dsq-comment-message"><blockquote>There is no credential for journalism. Deal with it.</blockquote><br><br>You have lost all credibility at this point. How can you possibly say this?<br><br>Ever heard of journalism school? College?<br><br>I guess that by this logic, anybody can be a self-appointed [place career here please].<br><br><blockquote>Stop being elitist. Or, do you feel the words “all men are created equal” only applies to certain people who have professional credentials?<br></blockquote><br><br>Scoble, you really lost it on that phrase. What does this have to do with all <em>men are created equal</em>? We\'re talking about whom is protected by the law, in terms of the press not revealing a source, even when a crime has been committed.<br><br>And I happen to be someone who also stands up for the little guy. I just happen to realize the difference between the little guy who is a good person, and the little guy who sees nothing wrong with covering up a felony.<br><br>I underestimated your kookiness, I guess. I apologize for assuming that since you worked for a corporation like Microsoft, that your brain has the capacity to understand the difference in these matters. My bad.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647924" href="http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Robert Scoble</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647924" class="dsq-comment-message">Alfred: really? I see GREAT honor in sticking up for the little guy and getting him his day in court, even if he\'s guilty. It\'s what our whole legal system is based on. And why we pay for public defenders and such.<br><br>And, I\'d rather be on the side of the little guy nine wrong times than be on the side of the big guy nine wrong times. The big guy can afford to be wrong. The little guy can\'t.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9647919" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647919" href="http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Robert Scoble</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647919" class="dsq-comment-message">Brent: why do people who are losing the argument always fall into ad hominem arguments? Sigh.<br><br>He\'s not doing this cause he likes covering up a felony -- he\'s standing up for our rights to keep our tapes and notes to ourselves. Our disconnect on this point is huge. Have you seen the tape? Have you talked with Josh? How do you know he even has tape of a crime being committed? There are bigger issues here than that.<br><br>I understand the issues very well. You\'re willing to sell our rights down the river. Yes, we\'re on separate sides here and the fact that you got personal with me demonstrates the lengths you\'re willing to go.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647914" href="http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Robert Scoble</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647914" class="dsq-comment-message">Brent: most of the journalists (especially the paid, professional kind) I know never went to journalism school. That isn\'t a prerequisite for getting a job in the industry.<br><br>I, however, DID go to J-school and it was very clear to me that there is no credential for being a journalist.<br><br>Question: did you go to journalism school? If not, why should we listen to you tell anyone what a journalist is?</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647896">Karim</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647896" class="dsq-comment-message"><i>This isn’t China, you know.</i><br><br>Of course somewhere in China, some blogger is probably reading this story, sipping his tea and thinking, "Man, in the United States, they\'re throwing bloggers in jail for videotaping stuff in public.  What a police state...." :-)<br><br><i>But Eddie, you are equating journalism with blogging.</i><br><br>Michael Yon\'s <a href="http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/gates-of-fire.htm" rel="nofollow">blogging from Iraq</a> is outstanding journalism.<br><br>Which might explain why it\'s been nominated for several Pulitzer Prizes and been reprinted in several newspapers.<br><br>He hasn\'t had any formal journalism training and he\'s not a journalist.<br><br>Brent, you raised a really good question: who is a journalist?<br><br>However, the answer you propose in this case, <a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Credentialism" rel="nofollow">credentialism</a>, is completely wrong.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647891" href="http://jacksonwest.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">jacksonwest</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647891" class="dsq-comment-message">You can also contact Josh via snailmail to send your support, though obviously a donation to his legal defense fund would by most helpful:<br><br><a href="http://tinyurl.com/oeob4" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/oeob4</a></div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647886" href="http://kr8tr.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">kr8tr</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647886" class="dsq-comment-message">I\'m not sure how this conversation got derailed into a discussion about whether or not the film was taken by a blogger, a journalist, or a fifth grader. What difference does that make to the core issue?<br><br>Does the tape contain evidence of a felony?  We don\'t know.  How do we find out?  Someone looks at it - in this case the Federal Government is interested in looking at it.<br><br>Is that bad?  I know - it depends on what they are *really* looking for.  Some people assume they are looking for something other than what they claim to be looking for - others think they are looking for exactly what they say they are (who torched the cruiser).<br><br>In either case, the fundamental issue is the same to me - someone took a film that reportedly contains an act of more than "civil disobedience" - a cop car was burned.  Not a case of someone burning a flag or spraying graffiti - this is a real offense.<br><br>So if the film exists, and if it has evidence that could help arrest those responsible, then give the tape over.  I don\'t understand the argument, or how this can be considered a "little guy verse the government" issue.  It\'s an evidence issue.<br><br>I wish Josh would/could jump in here and try and defend his actions, but I understand that he is probably shackled by his "legal defense team".  I think only he can clear this up, and in the absence of him doing so we must rely on the courts, and the legal system to do that.  Gathering evidence is part of the process, and so far that\'s the only thing I see the government to be looking for.<br><br>Sure, you can make up nightmares about the government really using this entire story as a fabrication to get to Scoble, or your grandma, or whoever, but the truth is right now all we know is they want to see who torched the car.  Not too damned complicated of a situation from my perspective...</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647882" href="http://www.momentshowing.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">jay dedman</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647882" class="dsq-comment-message">Comment 76:<br>You finally are helping make the issue clear.<br>The Federal government says they want the tapes to see if he recorded someone burning a SF police car.<br><br>Josh Wolf says he did not record this event, and doesn\'t want to hand over the tapes because he thinks the Federal Government will start taking names and disseminate this info local authorities who failed to get the tapes in court. If you think this is black helicopter paranoia, do the research: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/qeabg" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/qeabg</a>)<br><br>Why is this important?<br>Because Josh considers himself a journalist that has access to a certain community. If he handed over the tapes, he could lose credibility and access to that community.<br><br>Josh\'s lawyer has put forth a solution. Let the judge scan the tape in his chambers to determine if there is a person setting a car on fire. If yes, give up the tapes. If no, its all done.<br><br>The judge refused to do this, put Josh in jail, and refused to give him bail.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647881" class="dsq-comment-message">You are being ridiculous, Robert.  I was a journalist for years and there was definitely a difference between my work and what Lil\' Josh is doing.  Not that I really believe he is doing any reporting at all.  No.  The kid just latched on to \'I\'m a journalist\' as a pretext for not cooperating with law enforcement.  If he was a real reporter, he would know that shield laws apply to confidential sources, not public events one witnesses.<br><br>It does not help Lil\' Josh\'s case that even for an \'anarchist,\' he is a goofy looking kid.  Goofy and arrogant simultaneously will not work in his favor.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647879" href="http://personalbee.blogs.com/ted" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Ted Shelton</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647879" class="dsq-comment-message">I wonder if some of the people who are harping about Josh not being a journalist have investigated the matter?  Some of the video in question was run on a local television station (KRON).  Johnny Goldstein wrote a comment on Jeff Jarvis\' blog as he actuall met Josh and thus knows his background.  Goldstein writes:<br><br>"Whatever the legal and moral questions here, I think it’s safe to say Josh can be designated a journalist. He’s just out of college, and while he was there he wrote for the student newspaper. Since graduating in addition to his blogging and vlogging, he has sold footage to MSM outlets and published articles for the Haight Ashbury Beat (yeah I hear you snickering, but it looks like a legit community paper). The SF Chronicle and the NY Times both label him a journalist in recent articles. Although there’s no official designation of who is a journo, by an reasonable standard, it seems to me Josh qualifies. It might be a tougher call if he was just a guy with a blog who wrote about what kind of cereal he had for breakfast, but that’s not what he is."<br><br>While the US Justice department pursues this case, the San Francisco Board of Supervisors (the owners of the squad car in question) have passed a resolution SUPPORTING Josh.<br><br>Furthermore, there is some question as to whether or not a squad car actually was torched -- according to Reports Sans frontieres:<br><br>"Wolf filmed the demonstrations in the Mission District of San Francisco in July 2005. He posted his footage on his website and it was aired by Kron TV, an independent news station. After circulating on the Internet, it was picked up by local affiliates of national TV networks.<br><br>After seeing the published footage, assistant US attorney Jeffrey Finigan asked Wolf to hand over all of the unedited footage he had shot of the incident. The government assertion’s is that someone attempted to set a police car on fire. Wolf denied having any more detailed footage of the object of the investigation or witnessing the alleged incident. He insisted that he was anyway protected by a Californian shield law under which journalists have the right both to protect the confidentiality of their sources and to refuse to surrender unpublished material and notes."<br><br>Its good to do a little research before throwing around opinions about what happened, why, whats in the tapes, is Josh a journalist or not, are bloggers journalists... I find it strange to see the vitriol from people who clearly didn\'t bother to look into the background of this issue.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647878" class="dsq-comment-message">Do you really believe that every Mom, Pop and Teeny Bopper with a videocam or cellphone camera is a journalist, Ted?   If anything, the fact that Wolf is willing to profit from footage he has shot, but not to support the societal goal of  fair administration of justice, casts him an even more negative light.  Kind of weird for an anarchist who hates big business and The Man, isn\'t it?  How can someone who is pocketing presidents from Rupert Murdoch claim to be against the system?<br><br>I did look into the background of the situation.  Josh is one of those shrill, shrieking ALF/ELF types in love with his own rhetoric.  No legitimate press would print anything he writes because it is advocacy, not journalism. But, I\'m sure he is popular at Indymedia.  His mother, who has taken over his blog, is actually denying that a police car was set on fire during the demonstration.  I guess a dodgy relationship with reality runs in the family.<br><br>I am going to predict that if Lil\' Josh continues his histrionics he will become just as much a caricature as Tre Arrow.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647877" class="dsq-comment-message">Again, until any and all random bloggers that want to can get press passes to major sporting events or the White House press room, by most anyone\'s definition (except the Bizzaro world Scoble lives in) they are not   journalists.<br><br>And based on the comments above about how Josh as used his video, he\'s nothing short of a hypocrite.<br><br>And no one has made a compelling case, based on facts, for why the govt wants the unedited tapes beyond obtaining more evidence to prosecute those responsible for torching he police cruiser.  Any theories beyond that is merely 60\'s era paranoia of "the man"<br><br>God, Scoble! Sometimes you sound just like Jerry Fletcher.  I guess if you keep it up, ONE of your conspiracy theories will eventually stick.   But, one would expect more rational thought and reasoning from someone of your purported background.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647874" href="http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Robert Scoble</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647874" class="dsq-comment-message">LayZ: there have been several bloggers who\'ve gotten access to those types of things -- and that kind of journalism is only .01% of what\'s in your local newspaper, so that isn\'t how we define journalism. Of course not everyone, but I\'ve seen rafts of bloggers get into the political conventions and a few have gotten into the white house press room.<br><br>From what Josh told me there isn\'t any more footage of the cruiser being vandalized beyond what he\'s already made available. So, what else do they want to see on those tapes?</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647875" href="http://brentroos.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Brent</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647875" class="dsq-comment-message"><blockquote>did you go to journalism school? If not, why should we listen to you tell anyone what a journalist is?</blockquote><br><br>No, I didn\'t. However, I haven\'t, nor will I ever, claim that because I have a blog, I am therefore, somehow automatically considered a "<em>journalist</em>". Columnist, perhaps.<br><br>If bloggers are considered journalists, then how do we determine from where is a <em>reliable</em> source for news? Anyone can have a blog. Does that mean that we should trust anyone with a blog, to tell the story, unbiased, unabridged, and with only the facts?<br><br>When is the last time you have read a blog, like I have described above? Never! If it is the news, it is the news+the added perspective of opinion.<br><br>I realize that columnists can be considered journalists. Take Bill O\'Reilly for example. But I don\'t go to Bill O\'Reilly to get the news. And he happens to be a <em>professional</em> in a <em>business</em>. So is Dan Rather (for those who hate O\'Reilly, and sometimes you can go to Rather for the news, except during election years).<br><br>This is what separates blogs from the actual news, and what we in America [normally] define as journalism.<br><br>It is someone who is hired by a reputable source, like a newspaper, a magazine, or a television/radio show. Even nowadays Internet shows.<br><br>But this is totally different from someone\'s self-proclamation, of all of a sudden, somehow being a journalist, just because they videotaped something which may be newsworthy.<br><br>The simple fact is, the court and federal authorities have reason to believe that this guy witnessed a felony arson, and has documented proof of it, on his videotape.<br><br>This guy can refuse to hand it over, all he wants, for all I care. But I don\'t sympathize with someone who wouldn\'t have automatically called the police after knowingly witnessed an arson, especially one to <em>public</em> property.<br><br>I think it is fairly obvious, that this guy <em>really</em> wants to be a journalist, and is enjoying his little 15 minutes of fame in all of this. However, I think it is a bit embarrassing.<br><br>Robert, you claim that a 12 yo girl can be considered a journalist. But isn\'t this totally reckless when it comes to law? Where is the line drawn?<br><br>Are we actually going to allow ourselves to become this careless with information?<br><br>The press brings us the news every day. We trust that these people are telling the truth. We consider them <strong>reliable</strong>. This is because these people actually have to answer to someone. Yes, money talks, and B.S. walks.<br><br>A blogger (as a journalist, as you put it), has <strong>nobody</strong> to answer to. Therefore he/she can get away with all types of wacky and outrageous, ridiculous things, and has to answer to nobody. There is nobody to fire he/she. And there are many, who are dull enough to believe anything, no matter how outrageous the subject matter may be.<br><br>We have to draw the line somewhere.<br><br>This is obviously a hot debate, that will undoubtedly, become  the subject of public debate, far outside of this particular case.<br><br>If this guy is a journalist fine. However, does this young man actually have the audience to be considered a journalist? Perhaps this is how we can measure whether or not a blogger can be considered a journalist. If he has a million readers, then obviously, he has the credibility to be considered a journalist. But if he is just picking up a camera, recording his life, or whatever he sees, uploading it to youtube, then adding a bit of commentary, to it, it is not journalism. There is another word for it: blogging! Or in his case vlogging (whatever). I will appropriately refer him to the television channel <em>Current</em>.<br><br>And Robert, if I hurt your wittle feewings, I\'m so sooorry.  :(<br><br>And dude, I\'m kidding around with you. Please don\'t take it seriously if I throw a little insult or a <em>yo mamma</em> joke your way. Lighten up, man. Have a sense of humor.<br><br>You are an actual author. I consider you to be credible. I would probably even acknowledge you as a journalist, if that is what you intend to be portrayed as in your blog. If I really thought you were an idiot, I wouldn\'t have subscribed to you to begin with, and would have never seen this post. In other words, let\'s squash the beef, bro.<br><br>That doesn\'t mean that I agree with you though. I think that you are totally wrong about this.<br><br>I believe very strongly in freedoms and liberties. I believe that the press should be able to write stories without fear. You may have gotten the wrong idea about me, since I happen to be a proud,<a href="http://brentroos.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow"> flag-waving Patriot</a>. There <em>was</em> a time, when people saw this as a <em>good</em> thing. The America that I know, love, and fight for, enjoys all of the liberties granted under the Constitution.<br><br>I firmly believe in freedom of the press, <em>and</em> freedom of speech.<br><br>I do not feel that this example falls into that category of freedom of the press, because  1) the guy isn\'t the press, and 2) the court has given him an order to see the tape and he refuses to comply with a court order. I do not feel sorry for him, because he is not within the protection of the law, therefore, subject to be held in contempt of court for obstruction of justice --of a felony arson of public (taxpayer paid) property.<br><br>He taped an <strong>anarchist</strong> march (riot), and didn\'t even have the decency, as a citizen, to let the authorities know that he witnessed a crime.<br><br>And to all of those who are trying to make this political, that is just, absurd!<br><br>Like I said, when I see crap, I\'m gonna say something. <strong>That</strong> is part of blogging (and perhaps journalism). Ah geez, now I\'m a journalist!<br><br>I think I may have the solution. Instead of jail, he ought to just have to sit in one of <a href="http://brentroos.wordpress.com/files/2006/07/stocks.jpg" rel="nofollow">these</a> for a day!  ;)</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647873">Ferd Eggan</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647873" class="dsq-comment-message">Many people are supporting Josh Wolf, the videoblogger who is in jail for contempt of a federal grand jury in San Francisco. . In Wolf\'s case, his video outtakes just might have images of people the government can accuse of attacking a police car. Attacking a police car in rage at police beating demonstrators, who were protesting a war they believe is unjust.  I think he is doing the right thing by refusing to go along with the federal grand jury.<br><br>The grand jury is a secret proceeding where you sit in front of a panel of grand jurors (without a lawyer or public audience) and answer questions posed to you by a prosecutor. The grand jurors are usually retired people or others with a lot of free time—statistically likely to believe what the government says without much question. The grand jury proceeds by compelling a citizen to answer questions in their investigation of an alleged crime. The grand jury proceeding is not protected by constitutional rights of free speech or the right not to incriminate yourself. In a situation where your refusal is based<br>on the possibility that your testimony might incriminate you, the grand jury can give you immunity from prosecution if you will name names. The grand jury insists you answer; if you refuse, the presiding judge can jail you--presumably until you do answer, or until the term of the grand jury expires. Grand juries usually have a term of about 18 months, and are often extended.<br><br>In the current war atmosphere, many Arab and Muslim people (and the Earth First activists who liberate bunnies) have been jailed for contempt of the grand jury. Hundreds of people have been jailed by grand juries, and in most cases there is no way to contest<br>the whole proceeding. Grand juries are frequently witch hunts going after whoever the present government wants to shut up. Being a citizen journalist is not really the shield we\'d like to think it is.  Any person--Judith Miller, for example-- is grist for the apparatus.<br><br><br>The Bush administration wants to suppress anti-war sentiment. They would like to brand all anti-war protesters as disloyal or criminal, and they look for ways to silence leaders and journalists and as many people as they can plausibly accuse of wrong-doing. Judith Miller might have been protecting the rights of journalists, but she was shielding government officials who were trying to smear their own former ambassador who blew the whistle on lies about Iraq WMDs. In Josh Wolf\'s case, his video outtakes just might have images of people the government can accuse of attacking a police car.  Wolf did not video the attack on the police car, he might have shots of crowds who later that day might have been part of the attack.  Nobody knows, and in cases like this it is not just standing up to a principle to refuse to hand over his tapes. Even for people who support the war in Iraq, the issue is how far the government should go to shut up those who disagree with their policies.  Saying no helps encourage others to say no to injustices when they happen.<br><br><br>For this reason, people of all kinds have kind of come to consensus that the best strategy to fight this repressive proceeding is to refuse to testify. Refusing means the grand jury can\'t use you to build their case. It means a sacrifice, but it helps protect others and helps build a movement against abuse of power. It\'s not true that the government always wins. In many of the grand jury controversies, the mobilization of people to stand up and say "no" has stopped the witch hunt. That is what Josh Wolf is doing.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647872" class="dsq-comment-message">As others have said I do not believe that the real issue is whether Josh Wolf is right or whether he may be considered a journalist, but at which level of jurisdiction this should be dealt with. I am deeply concerned by this tendency of central governments/jurisdictions - be it in Washington DC, Brussels or Berne - to grasp more and more powers and end up finding ways to declare everything a federal (or here in the EU: a European) matter. This undermines the whole principle of subsidiarity, decentralization, separation of powers and limited government upon which the countries of the free world are supposed to be built. And - regarding comment #27 - yes, this is - alas - not the only case, and the left certainly has to take the lion\'s share of the blame for this dangerous tendency, but this does not make it any better. I believe the American constitution is the best in the world and deserves to be taken seriously - the way it is misinterpreted today by the feds, Thomas Jefferson would turn in his grave. A European libertarian/small-government conservative (yes, we do exist ;-))</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647859" href="http://www.foxnews.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Biff</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647859" class="dsq-comment-message">I love the spin...<br><br>"refusing to turn over videotape of a San Francisco protest."<br><br>More like:<br><br>"refusing to turn over videotape of people destroying a police car which is a federal crime."</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647847">LayZ</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647847" class="dsq-comment-message">@83 Josh can SAY whatever he wants.  He should provide evidence of it.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647848" href="http://caseysoftware.com/blog" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Keith Casey</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647848" class="dsq-comment-message">I think it comes down to a few simple facts:<br>*  the shield law is to cover confidential sources and information; and<br>*  the actions happened in public and therefore is not confidential.<br><br>The fact that it is footage of a crime being committed is irrelevant since the shield laws would probably protect the breaking of other laws (think of a reporter doing an expose into drug dealing)... but getting the footage from a security camera in front of a gas station would be different.<br><br>The interesting part will be to see where the 9th Circuit comes down on this.  In the past, they\'ve tended to side with the ever-encroaching power of the gov at any level they can.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647855">LayZ</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647855" class="dsq-comment-message">@85. Fred, you are another one jumping to paranoid conclusions for this specific case. You may THINK you no the motives of the govt, but you have no facts on which to base those opinions. Only your unwarranted paranoia about what "the administration" my think about protestors.  As for what they are looking for, who\'s to say they are not looking for the cops who you say allegedly beat protesters. Wouldn\'t it be nice to have evidence of that as well?  A crime is a crime. Let\'s get the evidence of all the crimes. Seems Josh is not interested is that, but rather more interested in getting noteriety.<br><br>And Scoble, I\'d like the names of these bloggers you say have had access to the White House Press room.  I mean, if you are going to throw me the likes of Michele Malkin or other columnist that also blog, then you haven\'t met my criteria.  I want examples of bloggers sitting in the basements of their parents homes eating their Doritos, drinking their Mountain Dews that have been able to get press passes to the Super Bowl, or The White House.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647853">LayZ</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647853" class="dsq-comment-message">@90, You mean like removing "God" from the Pledge of Allegiance?  Actually I would bet the Ninth Circuit court would side with the wannabe journalist given their history. If they can find a new law to make up in their ruling, they\'ll go out of their way to do it.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647845">LayZ</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647845" class="dsq-comment-message">And by Josh saying what is NOT on the tape pretty makes his shield law defense moot now.  He\'s given the public hints of what the tapes contain. I thought he was trying to "maintain the confidentiality of... unpublished information obtained during \'newsgathering\'"? If they was the case, why did he tell you what was NOT on the tapes. Should he have said he couldn\'t tell you what\'s not on the tapes.<br><br>Careful now. You now have evidence relevant to the case.  Are you going to put on your "journalist" hat?</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647834" href="http://www.momentshowing.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">jay dedman</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647834" class="dsq-comment-message">Comment 92:<br>LayZ(a very ironic and appropriate name) is especially good at spinning this conversation.<br>It\'s classic neocon style. Lazy is tres Fox-xy.<br>You and others belittle Scoble and try to shame him for having his opinions. What is this? 5th grade?<br><br>The issue is not that Josh Wolf is protecting a confidential source. Josh is defending his right to not hand over unpublished notes.<br><a href="http://tinyurl.com/jja4p" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/jja4p</a><br>(please actually read the article)<br><br>You keep saying he is hiding evidence of a crime.<br>He says he does not have any recording of a crime.<br>Josh has offered to let the judge view the tapes to see the truth...which the judge has refused to do.<br>If the government is really interested in just seeing if there\'s evidence of a crime...the solution is simple. Because the judge refuses to scan the tapes privately....it leaves open the question: what are the government\'s true motives?<br><br>You say that Josh and others are simply paranoid of the Government....that there is no proof that the government will use his personal video tapes other than to see if there\'s a crime.<br>Here is proof of Federal and local law enforcement agencies recently using videotapes to create databases of protesters.<br>--http://tinyurl.com/fzwby<br>--http://www.citybeat.com/2001-04-05/cover.shtml<br>--http://tinyurl.com/73vx<br>Please refute real evidence.<br><br>LayZ, what we\'re talking about is setting precedent.<br>This court decision affects you as well.<br>You make clear you disagree with Josh\'s politics, so "fuck him". (good thing you aren\'t a judge)<br>But what happens when there\'s a change of administration that doesn\'t agree with your poltics.<br>And this new Administartion has proven to harass and monitor protestors who you support.<br>You go to record a protest of your people....and then this opposing administration wants your tapes because of some crime they say happened. will you want to give them up? will these rights then matter to you?<br>Be objective and stop spinning the argument.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647833" href="http://www.momentshowing.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">jay dedman</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647833" class="dsq-comment-message">A new SF editorial sums up the argument clearly: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/hy87c" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/hy87c</a><br><br>"But the really ominous element of the government\'s argument is the notion that a journalist can be compelled to turn over raw material -- be it notes or video outtakes -- at the government\'s whim. If that standard can apply to Josh Wolf, it can be used against CNN, NBC, Fox News or any independent journalist who is conducting an investigation or trying to record a chaotic event. Journalists are not agents of the government."<br><br>This should matter to anyone of us reguardless of your political persuasion. (i thought the right wingers loved less government control?)</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-9647832">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9647832" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9647832" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647832">LayZ</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9647832" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647832" class="dsq-comment-message">@93.And I hope any self respecting journalist that had evidence of a crime being committed would turn over that evidence without having to be compelled to do so.<br><br>For the record, I\'m not going to lose any sleep over your paranoid theories.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-9647876">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9647876" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9647876" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647876" href="http://www.momentshowing.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">jay dedman</a>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9647876" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647876" class="dsq-comment-message">"For the record, I’m not going to lose any sleep over your paranoid theories."<br><br>Ladies and Gentlemen, LayZ has just left the building.<br>Real conversation, evidence, and reality become too much.</div>\
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	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9647870">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9647870" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9647870" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647870" href="http://rosedesrochers.todays-woman.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Rose</a>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9647870" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647870" class="dsq-comment-message">I was very sorry to hear of this. I\'ll be following the story.</div>\
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	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9647869">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9647869" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9647869" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647869">Podesta</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9647869" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647869" class="dsq-comment-message">Jay, the editorial you cited ignores the established criteria for shield laws, i.e., being a journalist, having a source,  information that is confidential.  Since none of those criteria apply in Lil\' Josh\'s case, as I\'ve said several times, he hasn\'t a leg to stand on legally.  A spectator at public event has no right to withhold information from a grand jury.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-9647868">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9647868" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9647868" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647868" href="http://jonnygoldstein.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Jonny Goldstein</a>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9647868" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647868" class="dsq-comment-message">Podesta, you are mistaken in the case of the California Shield law. Under this law, the state cannot compell handing over of unpublished notes or media from a journalist. It\'s not required that he be protecting confidential sources or information. It covers the following unpublished information (I copied this from hefirstamendment.org/shieldlaw.html)<br><br>    *  Specific information obtained during newsgathering but not disclosed to the public<br>    * Includes "all notes, outlines, photographs, tapes or other data of whatever sort"<br>    * Includes newsgatherer\'s eyewitness observations in a public place<br>    * Applies even if published information was based upon or related to unpublished intormation<br><br><br>As to whether Josh should be considered a journalist, he has contributed to a couple of newspapers and sold<br>his footage to news programs, including some of the footage in question. The law includes freelancers, so<br>under it, he\'s covered....if the jurisdiction is the state of California.<br><br>It\'s true that Josh is currently being<br>held in contempt by a federal court, and there is no federal shield law, but there is a lot of debate as to whether the feds should have juridiction here.<br><br>So whether Josh "Has a leg to stand on legally" depends on whether the Feds remain successful in asserting their jurisdiction.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-9647835">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9647835" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9647835" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647835">Your Right</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9647835" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647835" class="dsq-comment-message">It was amazing to see, as I read through all these comments, just how many people are so ready and willing to give up their rights and freedoms. The checks and balances that helped to make this great country the place that it is. If things keep going the way they have the past few years, I see us headed for police state rule. Some of the very things we use to fight against. It is pitiful to see in their comments, their weakness to stand up for the rights to keep these checks and balances. To be so ready to bow down to what ever the current government demands, with out questioning anything.<br><br>If some of these weak minded characters, with the inability to look at history and into the future, don\'t start waking up, they will be paying more than just money for high gas prices. My grandchildren, children, me, my brothers and father, and many more of my relatives and ancestors served in our armed forces, many loosing their lives, that we might protect our country and the rights our forefathers had the insight to set up for us in this new great country, with the help of the LORD. That we would not have the persacution they fled from in the old world and like still exists in a lot of the lands across the seas.<br><br>I extend a virtual hand of congrats and my hat is off to you..... Robert Scoble, Eddie Codel, Warwick, David Geller, Ted Shelton, Fred Eggan, Christian Flury, Jay Dedman, and Jonny Goldstein. In these years of trying times it gives me hope, to see people like you with the spirit of our forefathers standing up and fighting for this great country and our constitutional rights. Please keep this tourch lighted and pass it on so that we the people of the United States of America will not be oppressed, and governed and ruled with the iron hand that so many of the other countries are.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-9647929">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9647929" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9647929" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647929">DAS</span>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9647929" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647929" class="dsq-comment-message">As much regard as I have for the "blogosphere", we have to remember that *anyone* can create a website and blog in a matter of minutes (not  *good* blog or website, admittedly). If being a blogger is the sole qualification for being a "journalist" and *every* "journalist\'s" sources are to be protected, our system of criminal justice will grind to a halt pretty quickly. If SFPD gets Federal funding, I helped pay for that police car and I want the perps busted and busted hard. I have very high regard for our rights and freedoms, and they have no relationship to masked thugs riot and burn. "The Constitution is not a suicide pact."</div>\
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	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9647930">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9647930" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9647930" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647930">Podesta</span>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9647930" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647930" class="dsq-comment-message">Jay, here is the California shield law:<br><br><a href="http://www.ppagla.org/documents/mediaguide/04shield.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ppagla.org/documents/mediaguide/04sh...</a><br><br>It is more heavily oriented toward members of the press than most.<br><br><br>The core problems are:<br><br>1)  Lil\' Josh was acting as a spectator,<br><br>2)  He was more than willing to profit by selling some of the same material he is now claiming is confidential,  and<br><br>3)  In a balancing test, the right of a grand jury to discover information trumps that of a would-be \'journalist\' to keep information secret.<br><br>As I said before, I was a journalist before going to law school.  I\'ve given considerable thought to the issues involved.<br><br>You are, of course, free to spend time and money helping some wealthy, spoiled white kid throw a very public temper tantrum.  I prefer to give my sympathy, time and money to the disadvantaged.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-9647931">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9647931" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9647931" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647931" href="http://www.momentshowing.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">jay dedman</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9647931" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647931" class="dsq-comment-message">1) Lil’ Josh was acting as a spectator,<br><br>isnt this what a journalist does? youll never win the "what is a jounalist" argument. Its a person gathering information. If you do research, Josh works for a TV station and is very much a journalist.<br><br>2) He was more than willing to profit by selling some of the same material he is now claiming is confidential, and<br><br>again if you did research, you would know the details of the story. He posted the video to his own blog, and THEN saw the video on local news. So he sent them  a bill to teach local TV stations they cant just take people\'s work without compensation.<br><br>3) In a balancing test, the right of a grand jury to discover information trumps that of a would-be ‘journalist’ to keep information secret.<br><br>again, Josh has offered to let the Judge see the tapes and realize he does not have video of the attempted burning of a cop car (it did NOT burn down). The judge refuses...and you still refuse to discuss this fact.<br><br>4)As I said before, I was a journalist before going to law school. I’ve given considerable thought to the issues involved.<br>You are, of course, free to spend time and money helping some wealthy, spoiled white kid throw a very public temper tantrum. I prefer to give my sympathy, time and money to the disadvantaged.<br><br>You continue to prove that you really haven\'t invested time in learning the facts this particular case. Your own politics blind you to the facts. I\'d love to get a link to your blog do we could figure out your world. Instead you are simply "Podesta".</div>\
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	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9647928">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9647928" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9647928" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647928" href="http://shmooth.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Peter</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9647928" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647928" class="dsq-comment-message">and here i was thinking that the san francisco tech scene was just one big upper-class whites-only pat-ourselves-on-the-back-for-whatever-fest, and come to find out that some dude is actually taking on the gubment instead of selling out. holy cow. it\'s unbelievable.<br><br>now what would *really* throw me for a loop is if the 18,000 cooler-than-thou san francisco bloggers/vbloggers/mashers/geekers actually threw a fundraiser party for this dude.<br><br>redeem yourselves, Capitalists!<br><br>but seriously, though, why did this dude have to all go gettin arrested and all that stuff? i mean, doesn\'t he know i have a serious bandcamp or crapcamp or something or other to attend to this weekend? sheesh. some people are so inconsiderate.</div>\
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	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9647927">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9647927" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9647927" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647927" href="http://shmooth.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Peter</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9647927" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647927" class="dsq-comment-message">p.s. for all you freaks doing the government-worship thing, have a listen to what real cops really do for a living - terrorize people:<br><br>Bad Cop, No Donut!<br><a href="http://www.badcopnodonut.fm/" rel="nofollow">http://www.badcopnodonut.fm/</a><br><br>Y\'all need to get a little perspective. Just because you\'ve always done everything you\'ve always been told doesn\'t mean we all have or should have to. Somebody has to stand up for democracy. It sure as heck ain\'t gonna be you fascist IRS lovers.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-9647936">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9647936" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9647936" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647936" href="http://www.geekentertainment.tv/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Eddie Codel</a>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9647936" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647936" class="dsq-comment-message">"now what would *really* throw me for a loop is if the 18,000 cooler-than-thou san francisco bloggers/vbloggers/mashers/geekers actually threw a fundraiser party for this dude."<br><br>Excellent idea Peter! Guess what, we\'re throwing two.<br><br>August 19 - Cafe La Boheme:<br><a href="http://upcoming.org/event/98418" rel="nofollow">http://upcoming.org/event/98418</a><br><br>August 24 - House of Shields:<br><a href="http://upcoming.org/event/96532" rel="nofollow">http://upcoming.org/event/96532</a></div>\
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	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9647935">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9647935" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9647935" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647935">clem</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9647935" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647935" class="dsq-comment-message">"Towards the end you see a supposedly Federal Marshal, gun drawn, with a laser guide, yelling \'Leave or you’re going to be fucking blasted\'."<br><br>a taser. not a gun. he was threatening to "blast" the rioter with a non-lethal device.<br><br>what isn\'t shown in the video is the situation prior to the federal agent and others rushed to the scene, wherein the officer was alone on the ground restraining a suspect while a knot of riotters gathered and attacked the officer with something which looked like a 2x4.<br><br>you should be more honest.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-9647934">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9647934" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9647934" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9647934">clem</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9647934" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647934" class="dsq-comment-message">your right, you do not possess the right to defy a lawful subpoena, so it is not possible for you to give it away.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-9647933">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9647933" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9647933" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647933" href="http://watchme.xolo.tv/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">GabeMac</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9647933" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647933" class="dsq-comment-message">I have an interview with Josh I shot during vloggercon. Robert you are in the background. I think it\'s a good overview of what\'s going on from Josh\'s viewpoint.<br><br>the link is <a href="http://watchme.xolo.tv/index.php/2006/08/21/wmx-67-free-josh-wolf/" rel="nofollow">http://watchme.xolo.tv/index.php/2006/08/21/wmx...</a></div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-9647932">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9647932" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9647932" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9647932" href="http://joshwolf.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Josh Wolf</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9647932" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9647932" class="dsq-comment-message">Hi, I was just released from prison this morning. I\'m out on bail. I\'m exhausted and don\'t have the energy to really dive into the issues brought up in this thread, but I do want to point out that it would\'ve been virtually impossible to enter the conversation from my cell. I had no computer access while I was in jail, and wasn\'t even aware of this debate; so I think it\'s unfari to criticize me for not entering the conversation to defent myself.<br><br>I\'m honored that Scoble\'s post sparked such a fiery debate, and I look forward to engaging in an intelligent dialogue in the coming days and weeks.</div>\
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		disqus_callback(callback_params);
	} catch (x) {
		if (typeof(console) != 'undefined' && typeof(console.log) == 'function') {
			// But it would be nice to let developers know about them
			console.log(x);
		}
		// pass
	}

	// HACK: We don't know if the callback wraps our container, which may
	// possibly result in a new DOM element.
	Dsq.container = document.getElementById('dsq-content');
}

// Global event handler for narcissus.
if (Dsq.jsonData.integration.theme == 4) {
	var g = Dsq.Utils.ie ? document : window;
	Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(g, 'keydown', function(event) {
		// Handle "enter" key on input for post box.
		if ((event.keyCode || event.which) == 13) {
			var target = Dsq.Utils.ie ? event.srcElement : event.target;
			// For Safari bug, detect text node.
			if (target.nodeType == 3) {
				target = target.parentNode;
			}

			if (target.nodeName == 'INPUT' &&
				target.parentNode.className == 'dsq-input-wrapper') {
				var postId = Dsq.Utils.extractId(target);
				Dsq.Templates.postComment(postId, this, false);
			}
		}
	});
}

})();




