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"realtime_paused": false, "posts": {"9632769": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "sometimes back to nature is a best thing. the same like simple design. But still it depends on the topic of your sites. Some site need simple design but other sites could need more attractive design such as using flash , animated gif , etc.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-07-11_11:33:47", "killed": false, "user_key": "9a855b4269d28e24293c799dea47651d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632770": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Wow, has this generated comment!  Had to get to entry 63 by Tom Foremski for the denouement though.  Sex sells and drives the net like nothing else - ask plentyoffish to set up another site for paperclips and compare.  Buy you a drink if it works to the same degree...<br>Also think your marketing story would, on the other hand, make for a more intriguing article.<br>Cheers.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-07-21_04:38:26", "killed": false, "user_key": "63dc207d72af0c7643cbaedde7410d39", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632771": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I will tell you that - screw ugly sites! This is not the stone age, you know. Even that I am not a design geek and don't understand the idea behind XHTML, CSS certification and other stuff like that, I still prefer good looking sites over bad looking ones. Why? Because people who make their sites look good care about their visitors. Care about tomorrow, not about the early 90's. And just in relation to this topic, I accidentally landed on an <a href=\"http://digg.com/design/Dating_sites_and_the_21st_century_Or_how_it_all_began\" rel=\"nofollow\">interesting story</a> last week. Boy, was I agree with that guy. You bet I was! And even that I am not completely aware what the hell web 2.0 is I appreciate <a href=\"http://www.dateyard.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">their effort</a> to bring some light in this business. I am not sure how their profits will look in the end, but as for me, if I was a dating site user, I'd prefer their service, that's for sure!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-07-18_03:55:35", "killed": false, "user_key": "5ee4d0867f8bde97b09f424b9c477a52", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632772": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The anti-marketing design is becoming popular.<br><a href=\"http://www.aretheyopen.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">www.aretheyopen.com</a> is using it, and they are doing pretty well.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-07-17_20:10:24", "killed": false, "user_key": "c827d36e7fa63b293f204ddfec314dcc", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632773": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I've spoken with the owner of edate and he is not corporate and he just wants to offer a totally free dating service that takes on the big boys. It is currently pretty new so he is transferrring thousands of users over from another site!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-07-28_16:24:29", "killed": false, "user_key": "91cdf164b3e52329436f5cf7513ac7a7", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632774": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I am not sure that the issue is \"ugly\" versus \"pretty\" design, but maybe just simple and uncluttered versus overdone. I can imagine some awfully ugly designs that would be so busy they would likely not make much money. It would seem to me that one would be best served by a design that was simple, fast loading, and in some way distinctive. As for the site mentioned pulling in major bucks, I think that is has a lot more  to do with servicing the most primary drive in humans, apart from eating and drinking ;-)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-09-19_23:30:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "1bd5cef101526ed8d0dcf32b145873bb", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632775": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "What i\u00b4ve learned on highschool is that design is not about beauty, it\u00b4s about function. If \"ugly design\" (in the sense of the lack of beautiness) works, it _is_ good design. Good \"designers\" know that!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-09_12:28:39", "killed": false, "user_key": "0fa57513d7c837d907af21203ef5e08b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632776": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I find the sides first-class. Greetings from Schwarzenbek", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-08_13:33:06", "killed": false, "user_key": "b2c5e9642d7581dd25fbcf0d299c6d28", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632777": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "So, true.  I left working for this company because they wanted me to \"design\" a website to be perfectly porportionate.  When they wanted me to redo the website for the 4th time because of a problem of being proportionate.  I said effin* make the damn website your self!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-30_02:44:05", "killed": false, "user_key": "70ab84e1f1a20114034ceb84d639f7b8", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632778": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "on june,31 2006 i make 1097.05$ from google adsense. This is only 5<br>days only, you can see a little TIPS from this site<br><a href=\"http://www.netdesignmedia.com/acne/index.php\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.netdesignmedia.com/acne/index.php</a><br><br><br>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - -<br>Ten Days Make 1000 Dollar", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-30_23:16:43", "killed": false, "user_key": "e892950140d8943a9ad4b8c36d50023d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632779": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Hi I also like asians, visit my blog at<br><br><a href=\"http://allasianpass.spaces.msn.com/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://allasianpass.spaces.msn.com/</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-21_01:09:19", "killed": false, "user_key": "44732f6b7dc6be9b7fc99043a53f6d42", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632780": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Interesting discussion ... for me, it also depends on the subject/business of the site. Sometimes the content demands ugly design (=simple design?)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-08-14_16:18:10", "killed": false, "user_key": "af94898a39eecacff2cb6a04663a919c", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632781": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The Numeral not real for such site.... Real numeral well can 1000 well not as not 10000 . though <a href=\"http://tastesdiffer.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">tastesdiffer.com</a> speaks that interrupt record of the home site", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-22_11:04:30", "killed": false, "user_key": "e7d91de0595a942e93d823053803dbdb", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632782": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "you're mixing things up that are not necessarily related. design is good, if it serves its purpose well (and even better if it does not defy other purposes the designer might not even have thought about). \u201cbe beautiful\u201d \u2013 which BTW is what the intended audience/the users perceive as beautiful or desirable esthetic qualities \u2013 is just one of several possible imperatives there. acknowledged: there is a certain share of designers out there who work more in a way like hairdressers or confectioners in a fancy, expressive would-be-artist way. your perception about design might have become a little bit distorted by those. and even them i.e. the better ones amongst them still do good design in areas where it is important to exactly do something their way. and then there are those specialists for a certain kind of hyperclean anal-retentative \u201cprofessional-looking\u201d corporate design which might visually please their clients \u2013 but not serve the purposes of their actual audience. and sadly quite often share certain visual preferences with those.<br><br>IMNSHO myspace works so well because it extremely lowers the entry barrier for anybody without visual skills, i.e. the largest share of people. it does not make users ashamed of their lack of skill.<br><br>google OTOH is absolutely clever designed. people still believe that it was simple. if you just take a look at the search engine this may still hold true, but the large and _complex_ majority of google's services is hidden behind this facade of simplicity. perfect marketing, i would say.<br><br>and OTTH the dating site works well, because\u2026 well, it is a free dating site. it serves a need that has and propably will always be profitable to serve. heck, it might even work better and be even more succesful with a better interface, but neither can i prove this nor you can prove the contrary.<br><br>BTW, agencies and marketing departments of certain companies have been using non-corporate looking design very purposefully for quite some time now, especially where popular youth culture is concerned.  and that's also one point why, to me, anybody using the word \u201cauthentic\u201d in public without turning beet red deserves a severe flogging for either being ill-spirited or for excessive naivity and extreme lack of insight. marketing already knows quite well, where it should not dress up like standard industry marketing to be perceived well.<br><br>maybe you should think again. there *are* some points in the original post, but in the end the conclusions drawn from them turn out as nothing but hot air.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-09_19:47:17", "killed": false, "user_key": "1229dd7a8b9613a5bc4191adebb22d33", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632783": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Buon luogo, congratulazioni, il mio amico!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-04_15:53:29", "killed": false, "user_key": "d7301791f6b34ee55677f84eddcd3bc2", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632784": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Is it my imagination but has the PlentyofFish website had a design change to make it more pretty since this article?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-04_09:24:22", "killed": false, "user_key": "bobdebilder", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632785": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Paid dating sites do have an advantage over free dating sites because they can limit the amount of spammers. People on paid services need to use a credit card which, for the most part, assures that they are a real person that can be tracked back for spamming. Also, social networking sites like myspace are taking over but there are too many people to weed through. Also, they are flooded with spam too.<br><br>I recommend signing up on all dating sites and social networking sites if you are serious about meeting the right person. You might find a great date online, at a singles bar, or just walking down the street. However, the more that you, and or, your pictures are exposed to other singles the better chance you will have to find  love, friendship, intimacy, a one night stand or whatever you are looking for.<br><br>Also, just think, if you find someone you like on a paid site is $20.00 to much money. Yes, it's great to have the internet free but most free dating sites are full of ads, spam, players. Again, I would suggest using the free services too but just be prepared to figure out who is and is not trying to spam you.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-25_18:44:45", "killed": false, "user_key": "495aed3346083d39da5af8b885b61a54", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632786": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Trouble with much design is that it splits attention. (Just like Powerpoint.)<br><br>People enjoy sites that (a) offer content that they, personally, can use, learn something deeply desired from (and me a writer), grow, etc. In other words: expansive content. Design that serves that end, adds; design that merely embellishes, detracts.<br><br>Content-heavy \"ugly\" sites that work: Jerry Pournelle's Chaoes Manor, Joe Henderson's Running Commentary, Digg, Fark, Arts &amp; Letters Daily, Bloglines, Cool Tools, <a href=\"http://Desktoplinux.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">Desktoplinux.com</a>, etc.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-01-20_12:58:25", "killed": false, "user_key": "5f473871dcdcd7e30b8d936f87af328e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632787": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Good to hear such a thing.<br><br>Then my site is doomed for success, eh?<br><br>It is just disheartening to be abused to develop and market a beautiful website, which loads in 20 seconds, is barely crawlable and with no navigation.<br><br>Our own projects we (SEOs) go for.<br><br>To the previous comment.<br>I'd say Markus deserves what he gets. He has put hours, weeks, months and years into what he has created. So, why not?<br><br>If someone is jealous about Markus, I'd rather not imagine how they feel about Bill Gates.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-12-07_07:44:04", "killed": false, "user_key": "7a8b0346071998ddef7622a5640b1887", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632788": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Common guys. I saw a lot of comments - bursting with envy.<br><br>900K CAD is about 800K USD. 400K per month (exclude tax fee). But do not forget that Markus should pay for HUGE outgoing traffic. 100K cash isn\u2019t too much but very good for one person<br><br>He made nobody elso couldn\u2019t dream about.<br><br>This is an example how an ordinary dating website can make so much money<br><br>So we have a chance too?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-12-03_13:38:47", "killed": false, "user_key": "e2414f6af44c72a32d1c147eadae6fba", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632789": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I only just found this. It's a good and valid point. Design by committee, and especially by marketing biased committee always yelds muddy results no matter what area of design you work in. I think it's a shame the focus has shifted some what to the subject of 'pretty' vs 'ugly'. A hardcore Graphic Design enthusiast knows that making something 'pretty' or 'cool' or whatever is  no where near enough of a brief. There are many, many angles to cover that don't come close to this.<br>\u2014<br>What I personally feel is lacking in a lot of the design you see on these big sites is input from traditionally educated Graphic Designers. All too often design decisions are made by 'Photoshop Monkeys' calling themselves Graphic Designers.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-01-19_12:56:23", "killed": false, "user_key": "e86bdf4602e8f9ae7d88504463fb42ca", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632790": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "How is his site not corporate? He is making money, the site doesn't look bad and he is not doing it for free. Maddox wasn't \"corporate\" until he had a book deal.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-01-04_01:07:53", "killed": false, "user_key": "509ab13135d225030b16ed62a74c9ebc", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632791": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Below is a letter I have been trying to get to Plentyoffish management. It has been a great site up until now.  Obviously Mr. Frind has a few issues he needs to work out.  I KNOW I have done nothing wrong, yet he has blocked me from his site probably at the behest of a \"female\" user that wanted to cause problems for me (as explained in the letter below that it seems he will never see)<br>Thanks,<br>Don<br>Mr. Frind,<br>It appears that you have blocked my access to your website.  While you certainly have that right, I would like to ask you why.  You are not obligated to discuss this with me but I would like to say that if you check your records you will find that I have used your site for quite some time and have never had a problem.  There have been some disagreements with some of the other members from time to time, but as far as I know I have never done anything to warrant this.<br>I do suspect however that a female I blocked because she continued to solicit me to solve electrical problems for her is the cause of this.  I have no idea what she may have said, but if you checked your records and found that I was in violation of your agreement, I would appreciate you letting me know what it was.  I have tried to contact you after you have blocked my access when I try to re-establish a profile but you do not respond.<br>The only other incident was one female who was not expecting one of my photos to be shirtless, however I do not view that as a violation since I see women in skimpy clothing all the time and I saw nothing in your agreement that stated that a man without a shirt on was in violation. Furthermore, in this last instance, this particular lady continued to talk with me via instant messaging and had no issue with the photo after we talked.  However, I doubt it was her but who knows?  People do strange things.<br>So, I have no idea why you are blocking me.  Would you care to explain or at least let me know what is going on?<br>Don", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-01-03_20:51:44", "killed": false, "user_key": "6d987b5fb5d5075169088624692d49bc", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632792": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Mr. Frind,<br>I forgot to tell you that you can contact me anytime at <a href=\"mailto:x2751@hotmail.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">x2751@hotmail.com</a><br>Don", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-01-03_20:55:03", "killed": false, "user_key": "6d987b5fb5d5075169088624692d49bc", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632793": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Plenty of fish website is the worst moderated site on the net. Bunch of fucking assholes running it. Marcus should clean house!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-03-27_20:34:48", "killed": false, "user_key": "fdf63d37a711ba8cb3988155f3a9ff5d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632794": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "This all lies under the argument of design versus efficiency, Sure if we built every building exactly the same in the same shape with the same color, it would be cheaper and faster and of course, more efficient, but who can argue that it would not suck? And why would it suck, because we are not all machines we have things called feelings and emotions. Would you rather have a cheaper crappier looking house?, or a more expansive time invested unique eye pleasing emotional design.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-03-21_13:57:13", "killed": false, "user_key": "92b067022a73fe24d8d5db9fbcdda541", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632795": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Bland looking text ads don't blend well with 2.0 designs..... why bother with a nice design if it costs bandwidth, cpu, and ad revenue? Go with what works.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-03-21_00:01:14", "killed": false, "user_key": "d003a6d57fd00e971f674156ec8b41e6", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632796": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Great post. Great read. All so so true.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-03-18_04:13:13", "killed": false, "user_key": "2c9e80c55dd387bc92465ba8572ee395", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632797": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "What about <a href=\"http://vois.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">vois.com</a> is it the new plentyoffish?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-02-15_21:02:11", "killed": false, "user_key": "009dab18c166b756aa17bf9ff27a84f5", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632798": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Hey, George I kind of agree with you. Good, 'sucessful' design does not ever merely embellish. I think this is an idea that has come out of a lot of 'Web Designers' not having a good, solid Graphic Design background.<br>\u2014<br>Almost a decade ago when we had the first 'Dot Com' boom, designers that knew Photoshop and maybe Flash were in massive demand. I think a lot of people fell into these jobs because they knew how to use these programs, not because they were design experts. So many developers ended up having to work with these 'designers' who only knew how to embellish and not how to add real value to a project. This seems to have sadly become the norm for a lot of these 'ugly' sites, many of whom, I imagine, are constantly doing their utmost to be rid of these 'photoshop/flash monkeys'.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-02-02_20:20:03", "killed": false, "user_key": "e86bdf4602e8f9ae7d88504463fb42ca", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632799": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "my site is also a dating site which i'm growing by my self, the traffic is growing steadily<br><br>I'm concidering anti-marketing version as a secondary version for my site<br><br>my question is if there is a benefit of creating a simple version of the site along side of the regular design would be equally effective", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-08-08_23:06:43", "killed": false, "user_key": "c4e71996e3859fa343e7a69d717c3cd5", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632800": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I have always wondered about this. I often see sites that are just plain ugly but get a lot of hits. I guess functionality comes before beauty. I would still go for a combination though. I just have to.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-06-06_12:29:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "12ed6877a3d6865cd515bc8ac15e9427", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632801": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Myspace is popular because any moron can use it and feel accomplished.<br><br>This is complete crap. It is the content and usefulness that pulls the users in. Having a great design is not going to deter users.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-06-14_10:40:20", "killed": false, "user_key": "993a76fd3ad6f345fba5e0af262dd0d5", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632802": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Hmm.<br><br>Realy strange. You are right, but what could be the problem. I mean I really prefer beautiful design, but at the same time functional. Because really there are some designs with bad functionality and there are others with good functionality and bad design.<br><br>May be people really prefer information than fancy stuff.<br><br>Cheers!<br><a href=\"http://www.goaddsite.com/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.goaddsite.com/</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-10-10_09:18:45", "killed": false, "user_key": "08d919d8593f8b41806e59c1f7c0bf9a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632803": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "i would say the popularity of the site has nothing to do with design or antimarketing..<br>he was just lucky what else could be said...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-11-30_06:02:34", "killed": false, "user_key": "657617d875d92bfc20e3035bb6b0dad7", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632804": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "One of the few people I agree with is Larry ... (search for him somewhere in this list .. ;) ) ..<br><br>Scobleizer, I've read this post today and it has been bothering me that you're hyping this 'anti-marketing, ugly design' concept. I think your being too 1-sided in this. It's just not so ...<br><br>I've worked in many corporate projects where design has really been a key player in the success of a project. Also, I've worked with MANY people (designers AND marketing experts) who wanted to develop something beautiful because they were passionate about the projects that they were involved in...<br><br>The reason for the success of plentyofffish doesn't have to do with 'how ugly the design is'... the design is functional, but if it were to be just as functional and great looking, would it be succeeding less ? I don't think so ... it's kind of  1-sided to attribute this everything good about plenty off fish to 'an ugly web design' ....<br><br><br>Mind you ... I am not trying to attack your opinion here but I need to speak out on behalf of all people (including myself) that have dedicated years of study and have worked very hard to bring everyone beautiful looking designs.... Just imagine that everything would be ugly looking ;) wouldn't you then just want to have the best 'ugly looking design ?' ... Sorry ... I really and I mean REALLY have to disagree with you here...<br><br>- Lex G", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-10-11_18:45:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "8a3cb9e8438332d0a885d2a96ce8de3e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632805": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The reason for the success of plentyofffish doesn\u2019t have to do with \u2018how ugly the design is\u2019\u2026 the design is functional, but if it were to be just as functional and great looking, would it be succeeding less ? I don\u2019t think so \u2026 it\u2019s kind of 1-sided to attribute this everything good about plenty off fish to \u2018an ugly web design\u2019 \u2026.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-12-19_15:56:44", "killed": false, "user_key": "26b697d60017a5000361d5a799b41b0f", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632806": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Wow, thanks for the excellent information!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-01-18_16:53:19", "killed": false, "user_key": "ecfb6ce94244cffd903f3062c8ec87db", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632807": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Hey Scoble, it would be nice to know if you changed your opinion on this one since you changed your design...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-24_22:25:36", "killed": false, "user_key": "1b1f2d72a0f707c58e5685123f5c8b49", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632808": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Myspace is popular because any moron can use it and feel accomplished.<br><br>This is complete crap. It is the content and usefulness that pulls the users in. Having a great design is not going to deter users.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-11-28_15:27:04", "killed": false, "user_key": "d9ae04aaddf993f07b415ecb9ff6f433", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632809": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The design isn't rel event and hurts the site if anything. I heard about it from a friend that it looked bad but its free.<br><br>Its just popular same with craigslist<br><br>google works better the any search.<br><br>get real people", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-12_04:04:59", "killed": false, "user_key": "3a298e83f62ea9c9207d52fe831976fa", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632811": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "yes, simple design is too great for sites because its open time is too few and its better for sites....some of the other sites have too simple but they are popular like that plentyoffish sites.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-01-13_00:54:35", "killed": false, "user_key": "581214e2ecabc44c3de6a576ca34a8d2", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632458": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Yup,<br><br>exactly...<br><br>simple and uncluttered. fast loading.<br>keeping it simple.<br><br>part of why i like your blog scoble...<br><br>links and the content, nothing else.<br><br>black and white.<br><br>exactly why i think people switched from Yahoo to google.<br><br>un-cluttered, short url, and it's fast.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_16:56:19", "killed": false, "user_key": "4d1a1a24d791ac1bc9d7e7a39854046e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632459": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Certainly, craigslist and Google manage to be incredibly functional despite (because of?) their fugliness. However, MySpace pages are rarely \"fast to load...[or] uncluttered,\" and don't really deserve to to be equated with sites that value simplicity such as the others you mention. (MySpace pages...*shudder*!)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_17:14:42", "killed": false, "user_key": "2a109a11b78c565c1dcd37b48e4e3439", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632461": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Robert, I think you're making a great leap with this post. I bet he has the traffic not because the site is \"un-designed\" but because he's studied SEO and it's a \"free\" \"dating\" site. As far as fast loading sites, one can make a lovely looking site and still make it a fast load. Google \"is\" designed, it just uses the \"keep it simple stupid\" approach.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_17:16:57", "killed": false, "user_key": "1966e5aab1490a53508d57831fddfe8d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632464": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "It's not my leap to make. It was his words that keyed me into this trend. He says he's studied how various designs work and the uglier he made his site, the better the traffic went and, more importantly, the better his advertising did.<br><br>Other people I know have found exactly the same thing.<br><br>Even me. I have Microsoft's ugliest weblog.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_17:37:26", "killed": false, "user_key": "3553f5e0db0fd1ec4e40a932a2d8f5b3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632466": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I went to that site and immediately the first thing that I thought was that it lacked credibility.  The anti-marketing design approach works for well-established players who get good word-of-mouth recognition.  People use Google, Craigslist, etc., because someone else has told them to do so.  They've found out through the media or a friend or however that that's the route to go.  If you're trying to introduce yourself to the web, a slick design is the best way to do it.  Look at all these Web 2.0 companies out there.  I'd be willing to bet $100 that Newsvine got more people to subscribe to their email list with that beautiful signup page than another company that just has an input field and some text that says \"We'll email you when we get our act together and finall release our product.\"  We shouldn't be quick to confuse simplicity and bad design.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_17:43:01", "killed": false, "user_key": "b904389f8c493d882bda7379057e0b6b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632467": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "This is the site you're hyping? Its hideous. Its slow. It uses .NET? It looks like it barely out of 1996, nevermind 2006.<br><br>I'm floored that this pile of shit gets $10,000 in ad revenue.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_17:49:55", "killed": false, "user_key": "ee461513e8ead680f326119bd1137544", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632469": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Tetra: are you also floored that MySpace gets 200,000 new spaces opened every day?<br><br>It's not slow here, by the way. I'm at the Apple store in Palo Alto and it pulls up faster than most blogs do.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_17:51:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "3553f5e0db0fd1ec4e40a932a2d8f5b3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632471": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Scoble,<br><br>I don't think it's so much that ugly designs are better, I think it's important to note that -usable- designs are better than pretty designs.  If making a website pretty sacrifices usability then it probably isn't a good choice.<br><br>Now making a website fast loading, usable, and aethetically pleasing to the eye?<br><br>That's hard to do, which is why there are A-list web designers out there that get paid a lot of money to do such a thing.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_17:52:13", "killed": false, "user_key": "9acb3677de12caaa9ed1dcb1a3a587c1", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632473": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Tetra: oh, and the fact that you think I'm hyping it means you aren't a very careful reader. I basically said this site has an ugly design. But, then, so does mine and you probably can't figure out why people come here either.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_17:53:06", "killed": false, "user_key": "3553f5e0db0fd1ec4e40a932a2d8f5b3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632475": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Larry: yeah, there definitely is something to usability, but there's something to being anti-corporate too. MySpace is popular BECAUSE it doesn't look \"professional.\" It's approachable. And, it looks like something that would keep the parents away.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_17:54:45", "killed": false, "user_key": "3553f5e0db0fd1ec4e40a932a2d8f5b3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632477": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"Other people I know have found exactly the same thing\"<br>I think there are way too many factors involved to begin to attribute success to one thing (or even several), especially for blogging notables like yourself. And, sorry, you are making the leap because you seem to believe what he says, are transferring his success to a generality, and have promoted it. ;-)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_17:56:28", "killed": false, "user_key": "1966e5aab1490a53508d57831fddfe8d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632478": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Well, they say we have the \"visual appeal of a pipe wrench\", intended and taken as a compliment.<br><br>Craig", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_18:04:14", "killed": false, "user_key": "d9c864678c7e4cf1a2db7bacd3793eb5", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632481": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "You know, \u2018adding a bit of weight to your CSS file\u2019 should make no odds to your mobile experience if you have media-specific stylesheets (which you do a point, though there's no \u2018mobile\u2019 stylesheet so many browsers will fall back to your \u2018screen\u2019 one).<br><br>There's always a balance that can be struck. A site can be good-looking AND fast. A site can be good-looking AND useable. A site can be good-looking AND non-corporate. A site can be good-looking AND be well-optimised for search engines (which nowadays isn't very difficult at all\u2014it's all about the content).<br><br>It's not rocket science, it's just not a sleepwalk.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_18:09:55", "killed": false, "user_key": "3db410ba43388fb9bd4df8b80956a838", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632483": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Myspace is not popular because of its anti-design, it's popular because of word of mouth.  I rather doubt kids that go there went because they throught the design sucked. Like a previous poster said, they are sites are popular because they solve a need, not because of how they are or are not designed. If it's slick but yet usable then it doesn't matter how slick it is.  No one cares about design as much as they do about usability.  And you say you work for Microsoft, huh?  sheesh.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_18:17:46", "killed": false, "user_key": "c489355ab8af522634fdef64206a3954", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632485": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Robert,<br><br>Sure, but....<br><br>What's at the root of it all?<br><br>In my opinion its that the types of sites that you are talking about (inc. yours) are:<br><br>* non threatening<br>* speak with a human voice<br><br>You must agree.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_18:19:37", "killed": false, "user_key": "ee17d0018d258f96d8d0a5009ad6ad8a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632487": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Some guy thinking his site does well because it is ugly does not make it true. This topic has become a trend recently. People say these sites are successful because of bad and/or ugly designs. That's just idiotic. That's like saying if I pee in your martini, you'll like it better. The most popular cars would be the ugly ones. People would only watch TV and movies with ugly people.<br><br>I'm going to a geek dinner in Providence, RI soon and I sincerely hope nobody serves me a peetini. I prefer not to have distasteful things. If the rest of the world does and that's the key to these sites' success, then I'll say in a heartbeat the rest of the world is made up of tasteless morons. Is that how you think Microsoft should do their marketing? :P", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_18:25:09", "killed": false, "user_key": "3f513e2cf340de447da7d12d8497d7bc", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632489": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I agree with Alex Foley. Should I have gone to that site, which may I add I have no reason to, I too would have questioned its credibility, as quite often people associate scam and phishing websites with such, dare I say low-quality designs.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_18:44:39", "killed": false, "user_key": "2c35f72ca355981958d2d42b5b88e4ec", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632490": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "so this is the new 'it' ?<br>Don't worry folks on the clean side, when this becomes the norm, clean/planned/interface will be the mavericks.<br><br>It just keeps fluctuating, be flexible.<br><br>And that site is successful, because the front page loads with more 'women looking for men' than 'men looking for women' (I tried refreshing 3 or 4 times to make sure :) )", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_19:16:55", "killed": false, "user_key": "d3ea5ee6736f486f879d4c80695b2223", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632492": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Hmm, Robert...<br><br>The first impression I got when I entered that site was exactly \"cluttered, hard to use\", not the other way around. If he designed his site to be very usable and uncluttered, well... he might as well try again.<br><br>&gt;&gt; \"What\u2019s the secret to his success? Ugly design.\"<br><br>\"Huh\" I ask. So I put up an ugly website and instantly have revenue, while I'm dead if I have a pretty website? Have you even thought about this before posting it? Ugly sites _can_ be successful, but it has for sure nothing to do with them being ugly.<br><br>And yours, by the way, is actually one of the less ugly Microsoft blogs. Seriously.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_19:44:28", "killed": false, "user_key": "dea1ff1971eda3d01bc42ffb6d0ad14b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632494": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I think most of us tech people, realize that most of the world isn't used to nice Web 2.0 designs and crazy graphics.  Most are used to not so great looking sites.  Here's why craigs list, google, and plentyoffish (pof) work... they are easy to use and give the user what they want. Craigs list is free to sell, simple UI to find what I need, and works quickly.  Google, gives me great search results, is easy to use, and works quickly.  POF seems to do the same; I can find people, message them, and hopefully get what I'm looking for.  Whether you have a beauty or a beast, it comes down to giving the user what they came to get and quickly.  Just my two cents.<br><br>-Jason L. Baptiste", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_19:57:06", "killed": false, "user_key": "ce6375fed7ecc17755f24fc20d784398", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632496": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I dont' think it's the anti-marketing aspect per se; rather, it's that they aren't distracted by the bullshit that marketing folks try to insert into the product...trying to sell sizzle instead of steak.  Look at Drudge or Aint-it-cool.  Is it the fugliness of the site that brings people?  No, because that's just another kind of marketing.  It's what they're pushing and who their audience is; making them look nicer would help, but the audiences are so loyal to what they're pushing that they'll still show up.  It's when marketing folks (and MS is getting REAL bad about this) start overanalyzing and overcontrolling the end result that things start going downhill.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_20:23:25", "killed": false, "user_key": "ffae666ed0f2f8ab84f6569b2295c460", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632498": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "MySpace is popular for two reasons.<br><br>In the beginning, it offered unprecedented customization for people unfamiliar with web design, and unwilling to go the route of managing a home page.<br><br>Metcalf's law has taken effect now - the value of MySpace today is proportional to the number of people on it. In order for someone to dethrone MySpace, they have to offer both the features and the population.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_20:27:24", "killed": false, "user_key": "c0ab662ba0ed8907f2a8e7d457769a1b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632501": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"Why does anti-marketing design work? Well, for one, big companies will never do a site that doesn\u2019t look pretty.\"<br><br>That's not an explanation. That's completely non sequitar.<br><br>\"But, go deeper: we\u2019re sick of committee-driven marketing.\"<br><br>This isn't true. Companies still succeed with polished, highly-developed marketing.<br><br>\"That\u2019s why my Channel 9 videos work.\"<br><br>Oh, I see: someone's trying to rationalize his own crappy work because of recent criticism.<br><br>\"My design is ugly.\"<br><br>Your design is no different than a million other template driven blogs.<br><br>\"It\u2019s amazing how few corporate types get that the quality and engineering thought behind your HTML matters more than whether your site is pretty or not.\"<br><br>You seem to be confusing yourself: is marketing only skin deep or is it also thoughtful design. You crap together your videos and use a basic template so you aren't doing much marketing. Google very much is marketing and it's very sophisticated and polished. Craigslist was admittedly crude because he didn't know any better but it continues to get more sophisticated while retaining thecrude look because people are familiar with it.<br><br>However, the notion that crude or basic sites are anti-marketing is wrong, the notion that we are no immune to elaborate, superficial marketing is wrong, the notion that simple designs succeed because of it (without discussing the utility) or that sophisticated designs fail despite their content is wrong.<br><br>So: NO!!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_20:37:40", "killed": false, "user_key": "3aeb85796d88e54daedf94e769fda691", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632502": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"you probably can\u2019t figure out why people come here either\"<br>----------<br>Oh ya, that's easy...you're Microsoft. And, that gives you the travel budget to go smooze \"every\" conference/country, \"A/B/C/D\" list blogger on the planet. Can you honestly get up in the morning, look in the mirror and say that you'd be as popular if you weren't at Microsoft and Winer and the rest hadn't adopted you?<br>Highly doubt it.<br>----------<br>\"MySpace is popular BECAUSE it doesn\u2019t look \u201cprofessional.\"<br>Pure unadulterated \"bullshit\".", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_20:39:35", "killed": false, "user_key": "1966e5aab1490a53508d57831fddfe8d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632504": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "PXLated: I had 1,000 to 8,000 readers a day before I was here at Microsoft. I have no idea whether or not I would have ended up at 17,000, but the trend line was clear well before I joined Microsoft.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_21:03:06", "killed": false, "user_key": "3553f5e0db0fd1ec4e40a932a2d8f5b3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632506": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "But why did Microsoft recruit him or Winer adopt him ?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_21:05:09", "killed": false, "user_key": "d3ea5ee6736f486f879d4c80695b2223", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632507": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I think we shouldn't all assume one size fits all for every webpage. Some work best when they are slick (look at Apple and BMW and Tivo). At teh end of the day, if one website paradigm fit everyone, there would be no innovation in this regard. Let's try stick away from black and white arguments.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_21:13:37", "killed": false, "user_key": "944406e071d34181805f273d8ad867ec", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632509": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Met: why did Microsoft recruit me? Cause I sold an executive a Tablet PC (after meeting me in a newsgroup, ironically enough, not on my blog, but I was the only OEM rep who frequented the Tablet PC newsgroups so I stood out as someone who cared about customers and who understood the importance of hanging out where they hung out).<br><br>Why did Winer adopt me? Cause I hired him to speak at a conference and I recognized early on that he was doing something brilliant and told him so.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_21:15:12", "killed": false, "user_key": "3553f5e0db0fd1ec4e40a932a2d8f5b3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632511": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Bad design (visual, not code) is the new good design?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_23:23:51", "killed": false, "user_key": "a0432b0e09bdfc683a3896cdda26bfe9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632513": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"I don\u2019t think it\u2019s so much that ugly designs are better, I think it\u2019s important to note that -usable- designs are better than pretty designs.\"<br><br>Ah, finally someone making sense! I don't think Robert understands that aesthetics and functionality aren't mutually exclusive.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_23:35:41", "killed": false, "user_key": "ee461513e8ead680f326119bd1137544", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632514": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I think that there are two issues here:<br><br>1.  Good design (as in attractive and easy to use/simple) will never hurt a cause, it can usually help.<br><br>2.  Staid and committee-based content will always kill.<br><br>The Channel 9 videos work not because they look amateur, but because they look genuine and real.  Real is always good, but if your videos were made with more professional equipment, they would still succeed.  At least as long as the people in them weren't reading from a script.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_23:44:37", "killed": false, "user_key": "53fc1de0651f5d10154c8061aa287fb6", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632516": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Tetra: really? Ever been to an art museum? How is any of that stuff hanging on the wall functional? You CAN be aesthetic without having any functionality. You CAN be functional without being aesthetic. But, you CAN also be both. If that's what you want me to understand, fine, I get it.<br><br>Bill: how professional, though? I find that there's a line where people stop being candid and start acting. Also, the more professional the equipment, the more expert the user needs to be to run it. So, now, you need a camera crew and all of a sudden Channel 9's genuineness evaporates.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_23:49:10", "killed": false, "user_key": "3553f5e0db0fd1ec4e40a932a2d8f5b3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632517": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Bill,<br><br>The thing about good design is that it's in the eye of the beholder. Good design to a designer usually looks much different than good design to my eye does.<br><br>Also, I don't live in the world the way I wish it to be, but how it actually is and Markus isn't the first guy to tell me his \"ugly\" site is doing better the uglier he makes it. (Better meaning, brings in more dollars in revenue and keeps users around longer).", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_23:54:29", "killed": false, "user_key": "3553f5e0db0fd1ec4e40a932a2d8f5b3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632519": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Robert,<br><br>Do you know what platform he uses for his forums on PlentyofFish? If not can you ask and post about it? Thanks!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-04_23:55:28", "killed": false, "user_key": "64932f5bf13e96c693f70feb00e1adb6", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632521": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Doesn't the success of the design depend on the audience? For a teenager who is looking to rebel against the corporate world, an \"anti-corporate\" design will be attractive by definition. However, if you're a manager at a large corporation then you'll probably be turned off by the anti-corporate approach.<br><br>What I think is interesting is how wide spread the non-corporate approach is becoming for consumer-driven sites. There seems to be an assumption that anyone using the net is anti-corporate, and I think these days that's a pretty big assumption.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-05_00:13:16", "killed": false, "user_key": "019e59b0b0b5c51a4bdca649a7385b64", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632523": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"But, you CAN also be both. If that\u2019s what you want me to understand, fine, I get it.\"<br><br>Uh, congratulations?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-05_00:16:28", "killed": false, "user_key": "ee461513e8ead680f326119bd1137544", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632525": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Scoble, what you refering to is not really \"marketing\" itself. You are talking about one part of a marketing strategy. Marketing is not just how something looks. It involves relationships to customers, brand image, product placement, advertisment and many, many more. And this point was made previously in the comments, functional is not equal to ugly and \"beautiful\" is a perception everyone needs to make for themselves... You might think Google's startpage is ugly, I perceive it as slim, functional and good looking. MSN on the other hand appears to me personally very ugly. But it has more to do with the overload of content than the design!<br>The point I want to make is that design is not really marketing, just one part of it. My two cents... ;-)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-05_04:06:32", "killed": false, "user_key": "8c83d2b4ddde609b2e0a70d1c5bbc51a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632527": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "You know, for a web 2.0 beatiful ajax, cheerleader, new, new, new.  This doesn't seem to mesh.  Either something is beautiful and well done, or its slap dash and not.  Ugly as a virtue?  Only someone from MS would claim this.<br><br>FWIW, you can do a fast loading beautiful site and provide media specific CSS to rearrange it.  CSS is cheap (properly done) and can improve both load times and readability.<br><br>FWIW, I did a little trolling on the fish site and found one woman who listed 11 conditions for compatibility.  #11?  Must not work at Microsoft.  Ha!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-05_04:16:30", "killed": false, "user_key": "65f9a6f6c0a20312e262b554156dd2c4", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632529": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"Either something is beautiful and well done, or its slap dash and not. Ugly as a virtue?\"<br>Innocent Bystander, it is all about perceptions...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-05_04:45:53", "killed": false, "user_key": "8c83d2b4ddde609b2e0a70d1c5bbc51a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632531": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I browsed <a href=\"http://www.plentyoffish.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">www.plentyoffish.com</a> for about 10 mins and twice I accidentally clicked on a google ads. Maybe that's the secret. Design your site so that people will inadvertanly click on ads.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-05_11:01:02", "killed": false, "user_key": "a84c6b840b98b02885c992bb5cd23faf", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632532": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Target, BMW, Apple aren't crafted by ad departments. They're crafted by the fact that everyone is involved in the brand. They live and breathe it. They actually do what you say: the brands were \"done for the love of it\"<br><br>To say, that we've created 'bullsh*t filters' for good design ignores the huge design trend permeating society: Method products, the next Dodge Challenger, American Apparel, the rise of the prefab. There's so much love of good design these days - you may think you've cracked it with your website design, but to me the apparent absence of any care whatsoever, says that you have little love for what you do.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-05_11:25:54", "killed": false, "user_key": "cd01a56bd5bc85b379ef97edea7050af", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632533": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "There's always been a trend among \"get rich quick\" sites for ugly design (highlighted text, huge fonts, etc) and I always wondered why they couldn't hire a good designer since they were making so much money.  They figured out that ugly designs pull more revenue a long time ago.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-05_11:50:18", "killed": false, "user_key": "b2661139c37945c439d50bf4d64c47b7", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632534": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Sorry Robert, this post, and your opinion, is way off. To think otherwise is against human nature. Everything you do, eat , wear, use, see, smell, and touch lures you by design. The esthetics are the first lure, all other senses fall into place after that, unless of course there is a smell.<br><br>Since we have yet to invent an internet, software product, or inanimate(none active) object that actually smell\u2019s (good, or bad) I just can\u2019t for the life of me get my head around this thinking. Microsoft smells of it, it\u2019s everywhere.<br><br>Poor design, on the contrary to what you have stated here, gives an impression of no thought, nor interest to the end user experience. Any successful product that would purposely do this, and then state that the bad design is by design, owes it\u2019s successes to luck. Nothing more nothing less.<br><br>If poor design was the secret ingredient in the work that we do, then nothing as we know it, would be as it is.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-05_13:52:16", "killed": false, "user_key": "673a36cf06b8d2c3e028cd023f3bb686", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632535": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Piers, I agree with you. But, to do so, I must sound arrogant and elitist and hierarchical. Which is what good design does. What's the first thing I learned about laying out a photo page? One picture must be at least twice as big as the second. Why? Cause our minds like hierarchies and order.<br><br>Anti-marketing (er, anti-corporate) design works because there are many people in society who want to be different.<br><br>And, if you think that Apple, Target, or BMW's design isn't done by committees of brand experts, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. They've done their work so well that you believe they do it all for love.<br><br>Have you ever met anyone who has worked inside those companies?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-05_17:06:08", "killed": false, "user_key": "3553f5e0db0fd1ec4e40a932a2d8f5b3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632536": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "FOF works despite it's design, not because of it.<br><br>Some people do think <a href=\"http://www.acm.org/ubiquity/views/v7i07_pfeiffer.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">style matters</a> (see point 4).", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-05_17:26:01", "killed": false, "user_key": "eaf4d3755f4a61b26337db0b4f3c23c4", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632537": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "erm that should be POF not FOF.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-05_17:27:27", "killed": false, "user_key": "eaf4d3755f4a61b26337db0b4f3c23c4", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632539": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Here's another ugly design who seems to be doing well: <a href=\"http://our.imgseek.net/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://our.imgseek.net/</a><br><br>It's for a site for social photo bookmarking: you can search similar images, tag, rate and get recommendations.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-05_17:29:06", "killed": false, "user_key": "d6c39bd7a23e7a5ea4efa4c2d363b911", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632541": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Well, from where I stand, the secret of all the cash is simple: a subscription free dating site, SEO'd to serve ads from its competitor (subscription-based) dating sites.<br><br>I think that the \"ugly\" matter is not central to it, except maybe for the fact that he doesn't have much fanciness to 'dilute' the keywords --- he even puts his site's title in an image with an ALT attribute that doesn't match it, giving, instead, more ad-friendly keywords. And speaking of ALT attributes, look at those of the users' pictures...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-05_18:56:24", "killed": false, "user_key": "9f6716132998b37445ceadd2b13a99bd", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632543": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Big companies do ugly sites ALL THE TIME, they just don't REALIZE it.  Had a look at the main CNN or MSNBC pages lately?  Hideous!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-05_18:57:27", "killed": false, "user_key": "8f8ff21a67437febebc70afd19364e95", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632544": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Robert, I think you're on to something, but at the same time, you're muddling a couple of things. Communication that comes across as direct rather than overly manicured will cut through a lot of bull***t filters.<br><br>But here's where IMHO you get muddled:<br><br>Good design isn't necessarily pretty or decorative. In fact, many pretty sites are prime examples of bad design.<br><br>One of the most useful definitions of design is from Charles Eames: \"A plan for arranging elements to accomplish a particular purpose.\" You cannot judge design without knowing the purpose. Google from day one had one of the most brilliant designs ever put on the Web.<br><br>Good design is not necessarily aided nor hindered by collaboration. One person can do crap. Ten people can do great design. It's all a matter of purpose.<br><br>Fast-loading is a useful purpose for anything on the Web. It is served by light-weight CSS, light-weight images. Your blog isn't ugly -- or bad design for serving a purpose.<br><br>Fast-posting without a lot of foodle-doodling is another useful purpose.<br><br>Given the social purpose of <a href=\"http://plentyoffish.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">plentyoffish.com</a>, it does well by not upstaging the posts of the participants with irrelevant esthetical crap.<br><br>Brands in general don't need to be beautiful. The three you singled out, however, Apple, BMW, and Target, have adopted design as a marketable feature. Not that there's anything wrong with that. In fact, it's working well for them.<br><br>As for dismissing love as part of communications... If that's preposterous, then get to the Microsoft marketing committees quickly. They're spending a lot of ad dollars trying to \"passion\" onto the meaning of the Microsoft brand. But it's not preposterous for people to have passion in what they do. Or love.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-05_19:54:40", "killed": false, "user_key": "af7c725d77eaad8d1abc328edd0009b2", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632546": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "More than once, I\u2019ve been presented with the following sentiment: \u201cwe don\u2019t want our Web site to look too good.\u201d From Internet executives to the leadership of Web 2.0 start-ups, the rationale is that when a site seems too \u201cprofessional\u201d it loses its appeal. It feels corporate and no longer genuine -as if authenticity can be communicated by lack of visual refinement. There are of course plenty of examples to point to (Craig\u2019s List, MySpace, del.icio.us).<br><br>Without getting into the typical form vs. function debate (yes, sites need to be useful and usable!), I\u2019ll explain things the way I do whenever a client of mine makes this assertion. First of all, dismissing visual design as just a matter of \u201cmaking things pretty\u201d cuts off your ability to communicate with your customers at the knees. Design is a solution to communication not mere styling. Each product (via its interface design) needs to \u201ctell\u201d users what features it offers (its utility), how to use those features (its usability), and why they should care (its desirability).<br><br>Second, even if you deliberately don\u2019t think about your site\u2019s personality during the development process, you will end up with one anyway. The colors, content, and visual elements (or lack of all three) of your Web site all make an impression on your audience, intentional or not. Therefore, it is in your best interests to be aware of the personality you are creating for your site and make certain it is telling the story you want.<br><br>Yet many sites with a poor visual presentation remain popular on the merits of their content alone. But does their audience enjoy bumping through the site\u2019s awkward graphics and hard to read labels? No, but the personality of the content (it could be high quality, funny, worthwhile, and more) makes the rest bearable. Would their audience be happier if the personality of the presentation matched the personality of the content? Of course. They like the content, don\u2019t they? Such a site would be well served to improve their presentation. Not only would it enrich their current customers\u2019 experience, but a presentation that reflects the site\u2019s content would tell the site\u2019s story to newcomers as well. Hey, we have quality content, come take a look.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-05_20:15:29", "killed": false, "user_key": "ef05503968d77efa3daba6e889799244", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632548": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "It's not just the design that's ugly, but some of the posts, too, althought I guess he can't do a whole lot to \"fix\" user created junk. This one's from the front page:<br>\"looking fo a real nigga<br>Yea, wus up this ya girl sexyfidethang and i wanna holla at the real niggas so let me take a second to tell yall bout me, bet!\"", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-05_21:16:55", "killed": false, "user_key": "9d6d8974c4b9d15a2586b5afd7b52740", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632550": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "You've got to be kidding, right, Robert? PlentyofFish is about sex and dating--not about design or anti-design...<br><br>Take a look at my site for anti-design (<a href=\"http://siliconvalleywatcher.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">siliconvalleywatcher.com</a>,) my buddy Om at <a href=\"http://Gigaom.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">Gigaom.com</a> has a beautifully pristine site and I think it looks way too corporate. I like mine, it's far from perfect, just like me :-)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-06_03:05:42", "killed": false, "user_key": "0194d7df3fa9c46a2587632d30373044", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632552": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Alan Silva, a one-time bassist with Cecil Taylor and then the leader of his own thirteen-piece orchestra, made the point in an interview I did with him for Rolling Stone.<br>  \"I don't want to make music that sounds nice,\" Silva told me. \"I want to make music that opens the possibility of real spiritual communion between people. There's a flow coming from every individual, a continuous flow of energy coming from the subconscious level.<br><a href=\"http://www.cosmoetica.com/OO4-RL1.htm\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.cosmoetica.com/OO4-RL1.htm</a><br><br>Difficult to see the world bottom-up, but that how hierarchies IS now.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-06_03:46:59", "killed": false, "user_key": "6b18ba9ddf770391cd2eb1f4243e6966", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632554": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"But, to do so, I must sound arrogant and elitist and hierarchical. Which is what good design does.\"<br><br>I thought this was bad; get it straight? By positing the notion that anti-marketing as a marketing strategy you have created a marketing strategy that's more disingenious than any other by claiming it's anything other than another marketing strategy. Now, you say you need to be arrogant to be good? No, you have to be arrogant (and foolish) to create the bad impression \"marketing\" has as a word even though it's simply about maximizing your product's market.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-06_16:28:12", "killed": false, "user_key": "3aeb85796d88e54daedf94e769fda691", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632556": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I don't think its anti-marketing. Its just less. This site is \"just enough\" The value proposition is clear and on the first page. \"This is a 100% Free Dating Service - NO Charges EVER\" Just like google it presents its \"stuff\" with a minimal of supporting crap. Speaking your truth - its not anti marketing, it the right amount. This might not work in other markets, but for dating/sex and hightly desired free services (<a href=\"http://myspace.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">myspace.com</a>) the functionality is more important than the marketing. (Can people use it effectively) myspace is a great example - it isn't very spiffy - doesn't work very well - its servers are overwhelmed so its perpetually slow - yet it still gets used ALOT. (Are we back to the sex thing again?)<br><br>Maybe there is another category for frugal marketing...<br><br>As for the tech/platform - I have deployed 100's of sites on Windows (ColdFusion mainly) and ASP. Like anything else - you have to dive in deep enough to \"own\" it, make it secure and work for you. It DOES work (well!).<br><br>Toodles.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-07_11:18:46", "killed": false, "user_key": "e116230ef1e4518ff13d187886be389a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632558": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Something that everyone seems to be missing, including Mr. Scoble:<br><br>The PoF website is not actually selling anything to its users. It does not, in fact, depend on them doing much more than just looking around. Its revenue comes from the Google ads. In short, it doesn\\'t matter if the site is credible, appealing, or much else, so long as it gets huge numbers of hits (it\\'s basically offering \\\"free sex\\\", of course it gets traffic) and some of those people click on another site\\'s ad.<br><br>Its low-budget, amateurish appearance may be working here <i>because</i> it encourages visitors to go elsewhere. And what\\'s the best route to \\\"elsewhere\\\" when you\\'re on PoF and looking for a hot date? Click on of those Google ads conveniently placed on every page. They may actually have made \\\"lure the visitors here, then drive them away screaming\\\" into a viable business model.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-07_16:38:45", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c6c7b3a45536455df539421dc6e6a41", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632561": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Dealey Plaza where Kennedy became hamburger..., or the Apple Store?<br><br>History is the moment, and design is truth in saying.  The essential fact is that people imitate success, amnd the world goes to hell.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-07_20:12:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "6b18ba9ddf770391cd2eb1f4243e6966", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632563": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I have also found that most of my sites get better click through rates on adsense and the like if the site is pretty plain, ugly, etc.  The ads stick out more... maybe we'll see more of these!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-08_16:56:54", "killed": false, "user_key": "6c9e5cc465800c9a0752cca3cce841a3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632565": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I really think that PlentyOfFish success was from the owners knowledge of SEO (Seach Engine Optimization).  But you're right, if a site is simple but the loading time and functionality work perfectly, all you need is traffic.  It has always been the 90% factor of a website's success is from the traffic. Just my own opinion.  Thanks guys.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-08_20:23:57", "killed": false, "user_key": "ca87b7dd5ff0030a1eab7f022a38b2c1", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632567": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I think Markus at <a href=\"http://PlentyOfFish.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">PlentyOfFish.com</a> has it figured out. He's offering the service of a basic human need and he's doing it for free...totally free, not tricks.<br><br>Sure it's ugly, but it's one guy's site with no corporate BS. He just did it to provide the service.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-08_23:20:25", "killed": false, "user_key": "73a3f3933d74944eab08c0d2a72b858b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632570": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I remember the movie \"Crazy People\" and the anti marketing strategy...same concept.<br>I think it will work with a large dose of good luck...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-10_10:26:52", "killed": false, "user_key": "63c8db5516ad6854e70c56a5f4790420", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632572": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "People do not visit a site for the design, whether it's pretty or ugle.  It's not that ugly design makes money, it's that the site must not upstage the ads.  Most TV commercials cost more than the TV shows they run on, and many are more entertaining.<br><br>Another factor to consider, the site mentioned has mass links (300k in yahoo alone, 10k in msn, 4k in google), all natural links of course 8-P.  With that many links and traffic, to put up a graphically intense site would kill his bandwidth.<br><br>So of course most high traffic, successful sites are low graphics with simple designs.  Load fast, get links, show off your ads.  Very simple formula.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-10_14:03:36", "killed": false, "user_key": "eb2d71e4cf84330c01e4ce14cf2d8a64", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632574": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I guess secret behind plentyoffish is search engine search for anydating keyword in any search engine and plentyoffish always on top . Get back to work guys to make $10000  per year lol", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-10_19:51:06", "killed": false, "user_key": "9ba6cb6db3c446a522e59de11775eeda", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632576": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Craigslist and Plentyoffish and Friendster (v1.0) worked because they were unassuming, humble and almost anticommercial looking.  They weren't selling.  People hate to be sold to but they love to buy.  We're reaching a turning point in consumer marketing (once again).  People want recommendations and referrals and...they don't want the pitch, the USP, glossy ad, the close.  Craigslist and Plentyoffish offer tons of utility with no BS...and no cost.  Nice.  People rave!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-13_16:52:10", "killed": false, "user_key": "58dbf210cf0220faf9e4eefbf382f330", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632579": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Oh, I run <a href=\"http://www.onlinepersonalswatch.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">www.onlinepersonalswatch.com</a> and have been in the online personals industry since 1998 btw.  I worked for Friendster, Friendfinder and Cupid amongst others.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-13_16:53:10", "killed": false, "user_key": "58dbf210cf0220faf9e4eefbf382f330", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632580": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Why not just setup a site around the highest paying keywords?<br><a href=\"http://home.casema.nl/toorn/keywords/\" rel=\"nofollow\">Top paying keywords</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-13_17:25:50", "killed": false, "user_key": "0f4adfaf33c39a114955777a9b2ae890", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632582": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "That would explain why DrudgeReport also is so popular, its the ugliest site I've ever seen, yet, busy and well visited.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-14_10:39:48", "killed": false, "user_key": "218d2dab0d3ad953629474f22b8cef68", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632584": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Not only drudge but <a href=\"http://www.andrewshaffer.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">www.andrewshaffer.com</a> has taken off with a similar design as drudge.  <a href=\"http://www.menuserve.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">www.menuserve.com</a> has  a design for success!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-15_08:09:37", "killed": false, "user_key": "f6239af6033c1321517b9337bbe2b4f2", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632586": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "that post above should have been <a href=\"http://www.drewsnewsroom.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">www.drewsnewsroom.com</a> not the <a href=\"http://andrewshaffer.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">andrewshaffer.com</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-15_08:10:47", "killed": false, "user_key": "f6239af6033c1321517b9337bbe2b4f2", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632588": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Excellent site. Well done.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-16_14:52:59", "killed": false, "user_key": "c84d9361559994e272790b67823e942b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632591": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Well I guess his mailboxes must be pretty full. But, I found his phone! Hope I get through.<br><br>For Canadians, plentyoffish is pretty sticky. After all, who can help looking around to see if there is a better deal there. Granted, anyone else may not have that reaction. But that might change once it spreads to any particular readers geographic location.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-16_18:14:02", "killed": false, "user_key": "beb21939f6a5a1e3b48faa2d5eed358a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632592": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "It's not anti-marketing marketing that's the reason for the bad design.<br><br>It's the fact that if you have loads of crappy fonts all over the place the GOOGLE TEXT ADS look like they are internal links or editorial links and people are more likely to click on them.<br><br>People confuse the real content from the ads.<br><br>If you have a nice clean design, the ads always stand out as ads and people ignore them.<br><br>Chris", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-17_03:22:50", "killed": false, "user_key": "0baada30751b0b5d3debef48feff5d36", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632594": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Just been doing a view source...<br><br>The page uses font tags with the face, size, color, etc for things like titles of posts and uses a lot of tables.<br><br>Most of the presentation seems to be handled in the html page rather than in a CSS file (which would only need to be loaded once and then it would be stored in the browser).<br><br>This would argue against the simple design being used for speed. You could *decrease* the weight of these pages with correct use of CSS and hence speed up loading.<br><br>He could further decrease the weight by getting rid of all the nested tables in the design and replacing them with divs.<br><br>Not that any of this really matters - the main reason why he's kept the design the way it is, is because more people will click on the ads which is the main aim of the site (as well as retaining visitors - who probably don't care if it's not the fasted loading site in the world).<br><br>A lot of well SEO'ed sites like this have not been 'designed'. I'm sure if a nicely designed site used the same SEO tactics it would do just as well in terms of visitors - although would probably get less clicks on the ads.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-17_03:33:58", "killed": false, "user_key": "0baada30751b0b5d3debef48feff5d36", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632596": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Seems everyone has a theory why my site is big. Keep in mind less then half a percent of visitors per day are new. Sub  80 cent CPM per day, is on the extreme low end of monitization via adsense.  I care more about making the site big and useful then milking it for $.<br><br>I think the most impressive thing is I have only 4 servers. NO other dating site this size has less then 200 servers and 200 staff and a 1 million in technical costs per month.<br><br>1. 1 DB server<br>2. 1 Web server running IIS 6, handles 1 million pageviews an hour at peak. No static pages at all, way to slow. All pages are Gzipped on the fly.<br>3. 1 Mail Server. Handles 1 million emails/day and also has a webserver that handles a Instant messager. That translates to 4-5 million polling pageviews/hour at peak.<br>4. 1 Image server, Like all major sites it serves images to a massive content distribution system/cache.<br>5. Outbound traffic is 70 to 100mb/sec If it was uncompressed it would probably run at 140mb/sec<br><br>My design my be bad, my html not so good etc. But this site was started as a little side project to teach myself <a href=\"http://asp.net\" rel=\"nofollow\">asp.net</a> and to provide something for free.  I certainlly didn't expect to create a accidental dating empire. I'm just proud of the fact I was able to code every line of code in this site, design and write every page and just create something huge that is used by millions.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-17_14:16:02", "killed": false, "user_key": "a704e7f37d40d8fc7b690dee56d24e6e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632598": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Wow I just finished reading the first part of this, sounds like Marcus is a real genious.<br><a href=\"http://www.tnareview.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.tnareview.com</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-18_01:19:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "114d447182cd7e1298de06b19314f29f", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632602": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Awesome, I could only dream about making so much a day :)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-18_07:38:23", "killed": false, "user_key": "7f4c7c61c64d1f70736d88bdf1cf060d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632603": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I don't think the site is ugly at all.  I think it's intuitive.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-20_00:12:24", "killed": false, "user_key": "38cb7fb30c79daad0de2eac72ccd2c46", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632605": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Seems a more recent story that is a ripoff of yours:<br><br><a href=\"http://www.site-reference.com/articles/Website-Development/The-Surprising-Truth-About-Ugly-Websites.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.site-reference.com/articles/Website-...</a><br><br>is gaining a lot of attention (slashdot, digg).", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-20_20:10:44", "killed": false, "user_key": "1033390905982d05b60bed2eb9a40f87", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632607": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "It sure isn't his domain name that makes it successful. Plenty Offish?<br><br>P-Brain", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-23_17:02:50", "killed": false, "user_key": "cc59547501f16cabae8d4b804a1f0654", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632610": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<a href=\"http://eDate.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">eDate.com</a> seems to be along the same lines as plenty of fish. eDate is a totally free, fast loading desing that appears to be attracting thousands of users each day. One advantage over plent o is definately the nem.<br><br>I have spoken with the owner of edate and he is not corporate and he just wants to offer a totally free dating service that takes on the big boys. It is currently pretty new so he is transferrring thousands of users over from another site.<br><br>I met my boyfriend on <a href=\"http://www.edate.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">www.edate.com</a> about a month ago. Does anybody understand how they stay in business without charging any money? I didn't have to pay a cent and it seems just as good as any other dating site that I paid for.<br><br>Just thought I'd let people know about <a href=\"http://edate.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">edate.com</a> because alll of the other dating sites rope you in to paying some fee and edate didn't.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-23_17:41:18", "killed": false, "user_key": "6ccffb4160276e4ce15d3dc9e54913cd", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632612": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Your thoughts on design might work for blogs but that's about it. I don't think you would willingly hand your credit card number over to a site that looked too crappy or illegitemate. A bank couldn't have a site that looked like craigslist.<br><br>However, I do agree that for certain kinds of sites simple \"bad\" design is okay. Craigslist is a complex site with a lot of content and the design should get out of the way of users who just want to get to what they want. But even that concept comes back to an old graphic design theory: form follows function.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-27_16:23:48", "killed": false, "user_key": "webomatica", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632614": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "This font is too difficult to read, so I didn't read the rest of the article. So much for your theory?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-27_16:55:12", "killed": false, "user_key": "117a23b7e1dc9eb9115af863ae1c285e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632616": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Scoble, you should stick to talking about things you know about. Sites that are ugly are successful despite their design. They have a great service or feature to offer that overcomes the hideous appearance.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-27_19:08:36", "killed": false, "user_key": "Montoya", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632618": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Markus Frind is a smart guy. In the end - who cares what the design looks like, if he makes a profit and finds success then he has a great business. The only thing which I find important is for the site to load fast and it is easy to use.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-27_19:37:13", "killed": false, "user_key": "dafb1cd9bfa27fcbe587ec2ab9be6008", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632620": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "eBay, Craigs List are not great designed sites but they are profitable because they know who their target mkt is and they provide a great service. It is all about traffic.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-27_19:44:38", "killed": false, "user_key": "dafb1cd9bfa27fcbe587ec2ab9be6008", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632658": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "lol, i agrre ben", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-04-01_07:23:36", "killed": false, "user_key": "4f4be7afc4371e8e401f15ff224a6935", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632622": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"Well, for one, big companies will never do a site that doesn\u2019t look pretty.\"<br><br>Are you forgetting that your ugly design examples -- eBay, Google, and MySpace (owned by Fox) -- are all big companies?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-27_23:25:04", "killed": false, "user_key": "e711e151e517ae1b897898928cc7981c", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632624": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I predict that eDate over the next couple of years will overtake all of the big guys. <a href=\"http://eDate.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">eDate.com</a> is totally 100% free with no catch. It's got a great chart room which I use a lot to meet people and it's a quick running site with an easy to navigate design. <a href=\"http://eDate.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">eDate.com</a> will be one of the most popular dating sites out there. I have spoken with the owner about his current developing and marketing platform and I am confident to say that <a href=\"http://www.eDate.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">www.eDate.com</a> will be a huge competitor in the online dating and free online dating industry.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-27_23:41:42", "killed": false, "user_key": "6ccffb4160276e4ce15d3dc9e54913cd", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632626": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Simple and uncluttered is not the opposite of beautiful. You can have both, you should have both, and both is better. Ugly is not ideal. Ugly is a copout.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-28_10:57:55", "killed": false, "user_key": "b926d91d52442979b4b132061a20ff3d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632628": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Wait, let me get this straight. You didn't add a font declaration to your CSS to save space, but your header image is 24kb?<br><br>Someone tells me you haven't a clue.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-28_13:39:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "ae06a981f64b6db5ca9538e8d1007419", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632630": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "really interesting story, actually i've learned quite some good stuff from it, i'm doing pretty much the same way.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-28_23:09:53", "killed": false, "user_key": "1e75770ed3ecb23aaf90fcf0e17ff756", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632632": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I think plenty of fish is a little bit of a special case. It is Free Dating and it has an authenticity about it.<br><br>Compare the demand for 'Commercial Pretty Porn' and 'Amature Porn' the latter completely changed the porn idustry - why - because it was more authentic and there for more in line with what people could believe and i suppose fantasise about.<br><br>With plenty of fish (and even craigs list) the design (or lack there of) actually helps you associate with the person on the other end. Its about them and not about a brand that they are wrapped in.<br><br>When it comes to people and relationships do as the porn idustry had to do and remove the glam and let the people talk.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-29_02:59:06", "killed": false, "user_key": "d34e5ad5168aa9db765dd1668de3f6c7", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632634": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Please end this uninformed rubbish. This says it all...<br><br><a href=\"http://www.airbagindustries.com/archives/009000.php\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.airbagindustries.com/archives/009000...</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-29_13:42:09", "killed": false, "user_key": "1de2a5c9c718ffee405647e016942e8b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632637": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "People don't use a website because it looks good or because it looks bad. Are men drawn to <a href=\"http://playboy.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">playboy.com</a> because it has good graphic design or because it looks ugly? No, they go there for the content. Visual design has nothing to do with it. People use websites based on the content and the services they provide, duh. Now bad design is bad for a number of reasons. One of them is that it is hard to use a poorly designed site because it isn't thought out carefully. When people can't use a website they're not going to stick around or come back, unless there is some compelling reason. I quit going to <a href=\"http://nytimes.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">nytimes.com</a> to read their articles because they produced RSS feeds. Now their RSS feeds are what I go to. If a web designer is all confused about whether or not to make a site look like crap or make it look good in order to increase traffic, they should probably use their time figuring out a way to make people want to go there in the first place.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-29_14:52:48", "killed": false, "user_key": "169d0c78ec0423958186d68f4f6ca1a5", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632639": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "This is typical commentary from people that think design=beauty. Design is NOT just throwing a pretty wrapper around crap and calling it good. Typical opinionated post with nothing to back it up.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-29_15:18:27", "killed": false, "user_key": "f0025311cc68bcb23f8b3d517ae7c980", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632641": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "This from a judge for a recent design contest.<br><br>I hate when people with infulence perpetuate completely assinine ideas like this.<br><br>You make a claim like this and then support it with completely ridiculous claims. \"MySpace is successful because it's ugly.\" COME ON! You can't seriously believe some of this stuff.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-29_16:02:53", "killed": false, "user_key": "b231e07e868d33adca6135fc54ca06ec", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632643": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "(excuse my poor english)<br>a definition of design:<br>Design is a set of fields for problem-solving that uses user-centric approaches to understand user needs to create successful solutions that solve real problems.<br>you're talking of sites which are great because of their excelent functions and saying that they are good because of being ugly.<br>the correct knowledge of the design principles should make your webpage much faster, uncluttered, authentic and user friendlier than it is now. When you attain that, it's inerent beauty is visible.<br>this blog (not mine): <a href=\"http://simpleydone.com/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://simpleydone.com/</a><br>is much lighter, simpler and user friendlier than yours AND it's also better looking.<br>In my native language we don't have the word design, we use the english word. Maybe if you had to explain to your grandparents what design is, like I had, you would start understanding what it's really about - not ugly or beautiful, nike or coke, but about improving comunication. it seems  that the ironic problem with design is that it's meaning is poorly comunicated.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-29_22:45:03", "killed": false, "user_key": "7b1223d1bff5d5220ab97dadf5fa8ea9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632645": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Robert, I know you've done your best to intellectualize everything, but you come across as a guy who can't stand random success or the place where it's been.<br><br>Nobody but you and a *very* small minority gives a rat's arse how that site looks or whether it validates or not.<br><br>Everybody else goes there for the reasons 99.99% of humnaity would; for information. Hell, I'm thinking of signing up there myself :)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-30_02:01:42", "killed": false, "user_key": "6d0b2970b3dd9df37f8a9de110712efb", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632647": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "There must be an InductiveArgument Control in .NET 2.0...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-30_03:03:54", "killed": false, "user_key": "8f603e2f98c40205b934719fd286a8a0", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632649": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Wow. <a href=\"http://Plentyoffish.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">Plentyoffish.com</a> has lots of hits. It's probably the butt-ugly design. Or the sluts.<br><br>So your argument for not bothering with design is to repeat a tired truism: \"It's all about content\". Sexy-talking tramps = lots of hits from desperate losers. Craigslist and Google offer great, well-delivered content. Sure, you can a snotload of money from great content and ugly design. But can you do better if you have great content and a nifty design? Why not have both? That's the real question.<br><br>I don't like marketing geeks very much either, but just because marketing can be lame and over-the-top, doesn't mean you just throw it in the trash altogether. There needs to be a middle ground, dude.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-30_11:35:17", "killed": false, "user_key": "aec127ee38483cfba7d72eea4c299a7c", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632651": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The anti-marketing concept is an interesting one, certainly one with substance. Personally, I think this has less to do with the design and more to do with the feeling that someone is behind it, not something (as in a corporation).", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-30_22:45:44", "killed": false, "user_key": "01fe972ebafae94743b9ef39e246662f", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632653": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "this page is so ugly I could hardly stand to stay on it long enough to write this comment.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-31_13:26:50", "killed": false, "user_key": "b554d87b03f9b99f8430b3fa94a03b50", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632655": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Your site looks ugly because you're not a good designer, you don't have the brain to do a good design, sure you might have good content and that's great but it would be much better if it looked good too. When we started MySpace we didn't have a designer, only programmers. If we had more time it would look better and we're working on a better looking design now. We want MySpace to be more like PurVolume (great content, great design). Beerzie is right, <a href=\"http://Plentyoffish.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">Plentyoffish.com</a> only gets a massive amount of traffic because of the sluts and all the desperate losers.<br>Your site is so ugly, get your act together.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-04-01_01:16:17", "killed": false, "user_key": "5bb4cdfd5e476305298a53bde9837065", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "16777618": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "This article is ridiculous the claim that because something is ugly it does well.   Check out <a href=\"http://DateandRate.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">DateandRate.com</a> just started looks way better than them, probably doesnt make as much money. But im willing to bet in 2 years theyll be bigger than <a href=\"http://PlentyofFish.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">PlentyofFish.com</a>.  The fact of the matter is it does matter how your website looks and how its designed.   Im sure their income comes from some job or old money that some guy feels like spending on his website.   Its all about outcome of advertising dollars and the competition,  free dating sites???  How many of them are really out there? I can tell you not alot.. and definitely alot of them arent like the site I told you <a href=\"http://about%28DateandRate.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">about(DateandRate.com</a>) so it leaves for little competition until recently.   All I have to say is I predict this site will expand faster then POF has thus far with the same amount of time", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-09-16_18:16:17", "killed": false, "user_key": "a483b2533d0915aaf776a127d1d903d3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 9632487, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632660": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "What a horrible argument, un-design makes succes.  Very stupid, google did get succesful because of bad design but because of a great search engine.  What company in their right mind would allow a product that purposely looks bad to be released?  We don't have a bulls**t meter, wtf are you talking about?  Since when would humans think that something that is aesthetically pleasing is bad?  While your article is somewhat intresting it is one of the saddest non sequiturs i have ever seen.  Don't get bad ideas into people heads, do you think Apple would be where it is now without aesthetically pleasing devices and OS?  I don't think so.  Don't clutter the web with trash opinions that are just based off of coincidence.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-04-01_11:10:48", "killed": false, "user_key": "a8aaca355a664e18e6f1a91deba24c84", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632662": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "You know, there are a lot of ugly sites out there that aren't very successful. A lot, in fact. Seems to me this guy's success is despite his aesthetic, not because of it.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-04-01_22:05:48", "killed": false, "user_key": "11c936cc4e8f45b2710a2311e3ae73aa", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632664": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Yeah but are saying they are succesful because of not being aestheticly pleasing?  Would they be succesful if they looked the same but what they did was really bad.  In these cases its not beauty but content.  Read this article <a href=\"http://www.andyrutledge.com/bad-design.php\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.andyrutledge.com/bad-design.php</a>, this guy knows what he is talking about.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-04-02_01:27:15", "killed": false, "user_key": "a8aaca355a664e18e6f1a91deba24c84", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632666": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I am not an expert yet but my website is so pretty<br>and performing very good on adsense. Not too much traffic but %20 - %30 click through rate.. Not too bad for an amateur :)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-04-02_21:39:27", "killed": false, "user_key": "6277f52dc498661bb6d6cc9fc60feff8", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632668": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Check this one its better:<br><br><a href=\"http://www.talktechno.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.talktechno.com</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-04-03_14:14:21", "killed": false, "user_key": "e4028692442e4b61fcdc6384d0cd6a31", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632669": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I think that people are looking at this from two extremes.<br><br>Either a site looks awesome and is slow-loading and not as successful as the anti-aesthetic quick loading ugly site.<br><br>I don't think the above to be true however I do agree that elements of both should be kept in mind during creation.<br><br>I think for the last 10 years we've been arse backwards about how we tackled online communication in general.<br><br>I would guess 90%+ of the websites in existance were designed \"before\" they even knew what message they wanted to portray, \"before\" the content was written and the IA plan was in place to get this content across efficiently to the user.<br><br>On top of that there has obviously been very limited usability testing and no long-term consistency online 'period'.<br><br>I guess my point here is that while I agree sites should be lightweight and fast-loading, I also firmly believe that the problem is not solved by creating \"ugly-anti-marketing\" sites.<br><br>This problem is solved by well thought out IA which clearly communicates your well written message/content.  This can be accomplished only in conjunction with extensive usability testing.<br><br>In the end I can see now reason you cannot have a well thought out, visually appealing yet easy to use website that offers a good 'and' effortless experience.<br><br>Wow that was a mouthful.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-04-03_19:19:42", "killed": false, "user_key": "a5ef84c6347a45a91ef7dd5a76601a13", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632670": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "What is the strongest word in the marketing dictionary??  FREE<br><br>\"Ugly by design\" is branding. Low cost product branding almost necessitates a no frills packaging to hammer home the message. Go to any super market in the country and look in the cereal isle.  Next to the Rice Krispies is a plain box with A&amp;P Crisy Rice in it.  The box looks like crap but who cares, it tastes the same and is half the price. Could A&amp;P make a more attractive package?? Yes of course but that would make it less recognizable amoung all the other brands already competing with Kelloggs.<br><br>Some people only shop at Prada while others love the value of Walmart. Both get dressed every morning.<br><br>POF is the generic brand of <a href=\"http://Match.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">Match.com</a><br>Craigslist is the generic brand of <a href=\"http://Monster.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">Monster.com</a><br>and Google is just a freak of nature.<br><br>Should anyone really be suprised that POF is making 10,000 a day? Not really. I would be much more interested in finding out how they marketed a free service to create the userbase that supports that revenue stream now.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-04-05_01:24:49", "killed": false, "user_key": "fc7223d886594865a756dd6c01c8aea7", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632671": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Not so ordynary site - look to html sourse - in meta description there is part of page tekst - man knows what he did.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-04-05_10:36:06", "killed": false, "user_key": "f0b0a3df3eb3a98d9813ebad2c37c633", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632673": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The site is succesful with AdSense.  And to be successful with AdSense, you have to make people want to leave.<br><br>Let's not over-generalize beyond that.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-04-05_21:02:06", "killed": false, "user_key": "d7aefb483d40d6bd63ffca20a98e6bea", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632675": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I'm afraid, I have to agree with Alex Foley. The anti-marketing design is good for the big old sharks who do not have to prove their point with expensive design. I never heard about Plenty of Fish before, and for me it looks more like just another scraper site built to make money with AdSense. Does it look credible for me? Hell, no.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-04-06_16:39:13", "killed": false, "user_key": "b621d5f466d84238d5fdd0cad9730dea", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632676": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\u041a\u0440\u0443\u0442\u043e!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-04-08_15:48:32", "killed": false, "user_key": "f114cdfb4fa8dca74bf849ac1f53f6c7", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632679": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I don't believe it's successful because it's ugly. It's successful because:<br><br>1. It's a FREE dating service, unlike most of all the others. Wonder how successful he'd be if he were SELLING something.<br>2. Online dating services are in great demand.<br>3. As another comment pointed out, \"...the fact that if you have loads of crappy fonts all over the place the GOOGLE TEXT ADS look like they are internal links or editorial links and people are more likely to click on them.<br><br>People confuse the real content from the ads.<br><br>If you have a nice clean design, the ads always stand out as ads and people ignore them.\"<br><br>I've already read here of people saying they accidenatlly clicked on Adsense Ads, thinking they were part of the site's content. The site is successful with Adsense, not specifically because it's ugly. Let's not confuse causation and correlation; they're two entirely different things!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-04-08_18:39:53", "killed": false, "user_key": "3fdd9f8e89c4deede4ff89b46c29bfb4", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632681": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "haha<br><br>this is dumbest shit I've read in a while...<br><br>like one your readers so astutely pointed out, design is not just about making things pretty. I know this might be difficult for some of you to understand, but good design is visual problem solving. good design is not decoration. i think a lot of people assume that design = haphazard esthetic decisions. nope. good design has methodologies for solving problems just like good OOP does. good design doesn't place form over function in the way many software engineers seem to think it does.<br><br>another one of the above posts has pointed out that the anti-brand is indeed a brand. to assume that minimalist page design like craiglist has somehow escaped percieved visual trends to elevate its user experience above esthetics and escape the laws of branding is terribly uninformed, unrealistic, and arrogrant. people know shitty design when they see it. they might be willing to put up with it, but you're not fooling anyone.<br><br>\"oh wait! our shitty looking site has stands as a beacon of integrity in sea of trendy, slick looking  over-designed site! yeah! thats the ticket! when people see our no frills layout that looks like 1996 doodoo, they'll KNOW WE'RE KEEPIN IT REAL!\"<br><br>right. next time i need to craft a brand, I'm going to call some software engineers! preferbly ones from the company that has the most shallow, confused, and awful brand of the modern age.<br><br>furthermore, if form over function is your mantra, you should scratch myspace off your list of shining examples. have you actually looked at that markup? take a look and get back to me. the ONLY remarkable thing about myspace is the sheer number of people who are using it.<br><br>kind of like MS products....", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-04-15_15:08:18", "killed": false, "user_key": "21434a07ef836231a4472decda69f659", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632683": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "actually, there's only design. ugly/graceful/etc have a form follows function relationship.<br>  anti-brand &gt;is brand", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-04-18_13:25:52", "killed": false, "user_key": "4d3176dd15ac1f4ec8af8dc24997f7ee", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632686": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "as a for instance, there's an implementation issue on this site..a comment written in notepad won;t drop correctly into the post....as noted from my post above.<br><br>actually, there's only design. ugly/graceful/etc have a form follows function relationship.<br>  anti-brand &gt;is brand", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-04-18_13:27:52", "killed": false, "user_key": "4d3176dd15ac1f4ec8af8dc24997f7ee", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632687": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "brand is not appearance but identity. from the domain name on down the page, that site says \"it won't cost a thinhg to try. nobody ios expecting much. relax. u can't win if u don't enter.\" whether the designer intuitively knew that, or stumbled into it, or it reflects his core personality--which is my guess as somebody who reps artists and does branding--he tapped into a market of people who randomly will cruise around  target as long as they feel comfortable and aren't asked to buy anything, but won't go to the galleria.  notice the key point in the discussion: revenue from ad clicks, not commited relationships.<br>  i mention target because bridgesolution has an alliance with their branding team.<br>   i agree most web designers miss the point. becuase in reality there is only design. bmw doesn;t make dump trucks, and print isn't the web; and newspapers aren't magazines.<br>   we use the concept of having designers interact with implementers. the dialogs can be amusing.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-04-18_13:28:46", "killed": false, "user_key": "4d3176dd15ac1f4ec8af8dc24997f7ee", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632689": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Yeah, of course, Apple, Target, BMW would make billions and billions more if only they would let their web sites be ugly. And Microsoft, living proof of the overwhelming selling power of bad taste, would instantly go tits up if they'd come up with something, ANYTHING, beautiful.<br><br>What a cruel world.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-04-26_10:45:06", "killed": false, "user_key": "e22319402e36521b2fb36a94d1b486e9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632691": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "What a load of bull-ish. Look at <a href=\"http://Blogger.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">Blogger.com</a> -&gt; beautiful, functional, fast... mm hmmm.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-04-28_09:08:25", "killed": false, "user_key": "erickarns", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632694": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "A lot of missing the point here. I agree OVERdesigning can waste resources and kill traffic, but I doubt UGLY automatically = success.<br><br>Guaging how much visual appeal draws an audience is the first step in a successful (ugly OR pretty) design.<br><br>For example: the charm of your favorite hole-in-the-wall diner would be ruined by yards of velvet and mood lighting. BUT would most people pay extra for the ABSENCE of velvet and great service?<br><br>Plentyoffish doesnt' make big $$$ because its got ugly design, its a big, FREE dating service for crying out loud! (and, I'll be the clients with the most traffic are the best looking!)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-04-28_11:03:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "ecf87e75fa2cce31a1c86e915a8b7624", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632696": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Has anyone here read Don Norman's books on design ... in particular, the one titled \"Emotional Design\"?  You guys who argue that functionality is the only thing that matters are missing the point.  It's not JUST functionality... aesthetics is a part of who we are as humans.  I agree that people will put up with crappy websites as long as they are usable but that doesn't say anything about the emotional state of the user.  Products from Apple and BMW are bought in large part due to their visual appeal.  The web is no different.  Usability comes first but don't destroy good aesthetics.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-04-29_02:35:51", "killed": false, "user_key": "c4e46bc217ae889bf2b53c401f44d584", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632698": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Sure...let's just dumb everything down and go for street cred?  That may work for a free online dating service that's designed to be a SEO whore, but design aesthetics DO count for consumers of more upscale brands.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-05-01_13:03:42", "killed": false, "user_key": "f5de6fa8a401ad0a7dcfc670cc5ac6da", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632700": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The \"ugly-design\" theory is the biggest load of bull I've seen in years!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-05-01_16:30:37", "killed": false, "user_key": "e7a0aa54557b6c010766ad1a99ad7e1a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632702": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Yo! S**it #$!@er. The site gets 10,000 hits cos its a \"F R E E\" Dating Site. And it got all tits and asses all over it.<br><br>I bet you can't design. Google is used so much cos it works best, not because it has no design. Design isn't just colors its a way to communicate.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-05-06_13:39:46", "killed": false, "user_key": "245c7b74c0e843989cadd7bfb3b34cc6", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632704": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I think the biggest theme is not making a site ugly, but keeping it simple, uncluttered, and lightweight. It doesn't have to be ugly to accomplish these things.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-05-07_23:15:49", "killed": false, "user_key": "9ef0e434d8bc2e0a4003fa484678446f", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632706": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "This guy is full of crap and its sad to see. No room for someone who lies.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-05-09_00:22:25", "killed": false, "user_key": "fc39e85c32a0ca97db19f1f0b563c625", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632708": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "What I think is funny is that no one is noticing what this guy said from the beginning:<br><br>\"We trust things more when they look like they were done for the love of it rather than the sheer commercial value of it.\"<br><br>Yet the rest of the time all he's talking about is CA$H CA$H CA$H. Your design goals permeate through your corporation, Robert. You are an excellent choice for M$.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-05-09_18:11:14", "killed": false, "user_key": "695e59c963aafd557ce29cd964429bd3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632710": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "There is some theory about ugliness that results in high revenue from Google Adsense, but isn't a measurement of being a successful or better as a website, and it's not a standard at all that ugly websites are the successful ones at all aspects. Theory claims that the whole matter comes from people dislike the ugly website therefore they click-off and run away to other websites, which are more likely those ones which appear in front of them inside Google Adsense units!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-05-10_05:09:30", "killed": false, "user_key": "3bb7ca675ce03bb1997543e883a9c9e5", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632712": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I think what people \"trust\" is all completely subjective. I took a look at plentyoffish. I've never heard of it before, but if I had just randomly come across it, it's exactly the kind of service I wouldn't trust. Some people may \"trust things more when they look like they were done for the love of it rather than the sheer commercial value of it\" but I certainly don't and I am sure I'm not alone. I trust a company/brand that looks like they know what they're doing.<br>And I don't know how many times I've said myspace would be so much better (more enjoyable to use) if it implemented a means of creating pages/profiles that weren't absolutely horrendous to look at. Half the time, I can barely read people's pages and I am always baffled that they can't see that for themselves.<br><br>\"Maybe MySpace is kicking blogging\u2019s behind because most blogs are simply too pretty!\"<br><br>There's no way that's true. First off, most blogs aren't that pretty. Most of the time, they're just based off templates (that are easier to implement than myspace templates). It's the networking nature of myspace that makes it insanely popular. It's popular in spite of it's appearance, not because of it. No one ever said, \"Have you seen myspace? It looks like $h!t. You should check it out!\" (The same goes for google and craigslist, which by the way I found craigslist unusable on my first visit. Where do I look first? This looks like crap for such a popular site. Am I on the right page? ) I've found that most users don't even use the blogging feature on myspace. It seems to be predominantly used for simply making comments (despite the email feature) that consist of obnoxiously large images, animated gifs, or WMV clips. Setting up a blog doesn't allow you to search for and find old friends or acquaintances...or have an entirely superficial friendship with your favorite band. Myspace does. Blogging requires creative thought on a regular basis. Myspace doesn't.<br><br>This is too long. I simply disagree.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-05-10_15:30:07", "killed": false, "user_key": "74b8a9ce1c050ab29b3468c634dcba23", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632715": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "i want 2000-5000 real visitors daily.<br>its possible?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-06-02_10:50:50", "killed": false, "user_key": "530448a99e20f3b0d200a99d8bce0ef0", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632716": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Antimarketing design is taking it a bit to an extreme but in general I totally agree.  My partner and I just sold a domain for just north of 30k the other month and it was almost purely a 'text based' layout.<br><br> Simple works and is effective.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-06-05_14:04:11", "killed": false, "user_key": "17429267680150ea3653c73c583761fa", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632719": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Yep, them's the ropes...<br><br>But i think it has more to do with being simple and easily-navigated than 'being ugly'. Google is clean and proffesional, but I wouldn't exactly call it amateurish. Many other clean, proffesional sites have had outstanding success.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-06-06_15:32:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3ffc3ae06ca8ce02cacffac9bcc4ba5c", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632721": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The examples you give are a bit off, like google... it's a search engine, thats it's function and thats all you need for it visually. You also failed to mention the fact that google also had an inbuilt spell checker earlier than the competition which is a big part of its popularity.<br><br>The arguement is too simplistic to be valid, depends on the sites purpose and functionality. End of story really.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-06-07_14:39:34", "killed": false, "user_key": "b1f51a149988eace970d4d8cde4b1034", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632724": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "BTW, you have about 125k of images on your front page atm yet rant about not adding a few words of code for a font.<br><br>?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-06-07_14:57:04", "killed": false, "user_key": "b1f51a149988eace970d4d8cde4b1034", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632726": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Nul: fonts ALWAYS load before images. You'll always see the text on a Web page before the images load. So, text size is MUCH more important than image size.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-06-07_16:01:14", "killed": false, "user_key": "456636993483a10e9b50ffe17733de4a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632727": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Sometimes, visitors preferred the look rather than the content :-)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-06-08_18:25:36", "killed": false, "user_key": "16800ad571605d6a2adb519f88dc7744", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632730": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Re Robert Scoble<br><br>Yes, but you're taliking 1 small, incy wincy, tiny bit of code to call a font that wouldn't even be noticed (not like you have to DL the font itself). If you are purely after readability and functionality, then a sans serif font would probably be better re both causes.<br><br>BTW, just as a side note we share the same surname. Does yours originate from the Cornwall lot?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-06-09_06:56:45", "killed": false, "user_key": "b1f51a149988eace970d4d8cde4b1034", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632732": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "yeah myspace is pop but only pop. like the pussycat dolls. you gonna ask then to help you write a song like leonard cohen? of course not. They can't write GOOD music, only pop music. Why is pop music so big? because it's consumed by mostly unsophisticated children between 9 and 16 in order to kill time between growth spurts.<br>for money making go for the lowest common denominator. mass appeal. appeal to the dumb. if you want to \"say\" something more important opt for a more personal approach. picasso pulls a good price these days and due to his innovative ideas could probably command a lot of dosh for an appearance/consult if he was still alive.<br>pop is boring. people eventually grow up.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-06-09_22:22:48", "killed": false, "user_key": "bfc177c469f6125b066cb09f1457744d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632734": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\u041d\u0435 \u0432\u0438\u0436\u0443 \u0441\u043c\u044b\u0441\u043b\u0430 \u0434\u0435\u043b\u0430\u0442\u044c \u0447\u0442\u043e-\u0442\u043e \u043b\u0443\u0447\u0448\u0435, \u0435\u0441\u043b\u0438 \u043e\u043d\u043e \u0432\u044b\u043f\u043e\u043b\u043d\u044f\u0435\u0442 \u0441\u0432\u043e\u0438 \u0444\u0443\u043d\u043a\u0446\u0438\u0438 \u043d\u0430 100%, \u043f\u043e\u044d\u0442\u043e\u043c\u0443 \u0435\u0441\u043b\u0438 \u0434\u0438\u0437\u0430\u0439\u043d \u043d\u0435 \u043e\u0442\u0432\u0440\u0430\u0442\u0438\u0442\u0435\u043b\u044c\u043d\u044b\u0439, \u0442\u043e \u0437\u043d\u0430\u0447\u0438\u0442 \u043f\u043e\u043b\u044c\u0437\u043e\u0432\u0430\u0442\u044c\u0441\u044f \u0441\u0430\u0439\u0442\u043e\u043c \u0431\u0443\u0434\u0443\u0442. \u0418\u043d\u0430\u0447\u0435 \u0435\u0441\u043b\u0438 \u0441\u0430\u0439\u0442 \u043f\u043b\u043e\u0445\u043e\u0439, \u0442\u043e \u0435\u043c\u0443 \u043d\u0435 \u043f\u043e\u043c\u043e\u0436\u0435\u0442 \u043d\u0430\u0432\u043e\u0440\u043e\u0447\u0435\u043d\u043d\u044b\u0439 \u0434\u0438\u0437\u0430\u0439\u043d. \u0418 \u0442\u043e\u0447\u043a\u0430. Sorry for my english ;)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-06-11_06:34:49", "killed": false, "user_key": "4005e75fd1f34a05e64cf6181fb96b9e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632736": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "You know that all of the designers out there how disagree are in it for their job-security.  Good design is good, but usually ergonomics taken 2nd (or 10th) to the designers ego.<br><br>Love, Me", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-06-11_22:22:43", "killed": false, "user_key": "03649e7f3f22d05dad55ca1b8a594b02", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632737": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I don't know man, but I think the only one beeing able to build and run such a network single handed is - me.<br>but if the story is true and he really did that he deserves anybodys respect until the end of time.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-06-12_14:10:54", "killed": false, "user_key": "2339728bc8a2af02c0d0794bc30bd92e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632739": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "bad typo, I meant: ... everybody's respect until the end of time ...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-06-12_14:13:16", "killed": false, "user_key": "2339728bc8a2af02c0d0794bc30bd92e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632741": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "i think its all a question of the business field, i guess it works with dating oder adult sites, but if a insurance company, whats looking f\u00fcr a business consultant, likes to see poor design with weak navigation and other things...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-06-18_07:11:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "13a0747dca2cc0c7b4c4d64d0cd94358", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632743": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Re Brad<br><br>You're very out of touch with what design is. You're also a little out of touch if you think a person will only disagree because they're a working designer.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-06-18_21:26:33", "killed": false, "user_key": "b1f51a149988eace970d4d8cde4b1034", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632745": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"He says that sites that have ugly designs are well known to pull more revenue, be more sticky, build better brands, and generally be more fun to participate in, than sites with beautiful designs.\"<br><br>Well, thats an fact! If a site have everithing goods to offer for the user, there is no reason to click on adds from google. The key is sucking traffic from google, make the user curiously to earn clicks...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-06-21_03:33:03", "killed": false, "user_key": "e25e2a9279b4ced9659f36f5b72386b1", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632747": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Love is Free. Why pay?  Meet thousands of local singles.  Never pay a cent. Instant access.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-09-18_00:55:55", "killed": false, "user_key": "d710b5330c41f20d5081a5fcee68955d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632750": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "...ich kann mich dem Kommentar von Oliver nur anschliessen. Hypes und Gelaber, Nachgemache und abwarten - selbst eine Idee haben und \"just do it!\"", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-06-23_09:44:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "957dcbc421640cb1d5948437df59b499", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632752": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "This is the excellent site.<br>Adult Dating Online Community<br><a href=\"http://www.adultxdating.com/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.adultxdating.com/</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-07-13_09:56:52", "killed": false, "user_key": "97255036366d9bcdf0d9d3824f431ca2", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632754": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Somehow i don't think i could ever subscribe to Scoble's view on website aesthetics.As far as i'm concerned ugly is ugly and a complete turnoff.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-06-30_16:55:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "9f24328a972690a92e63213ae9766f52", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632757": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "maybe simple and plain designs create more ad-revenue because people think there will be a better site that they can view when they click on the ad..", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-07-02_00:06:04", "killed": false, "user_key": "117b4f548fac85fffdf208935e5cbeb6", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632759": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Unconscious or conscious: Everybody tend to imitate.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-07-03_05:48:02", "killed": false, "user_key": "ced25f47d4e13e9992a592950d0b917b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632761": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Let's not forget the oft-quoted aphorism:<br><br>\"Appeal to the classes, and you'll dine with the masses.<br>Appeal to the masses, and you'll dine with the classes.\"<br><br>...<br><br>People with bad taste feel ostracized by good design. They know that it's above them, on all levels - intellectually, aesthetically, emotionally, financially. They flock to bad things - American cars, television, fast food, sweat pants, pop music, MySpace - because THEY ARE TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND GOOD DESIGN. There, I've said it - the ultimate value judgment.<br><br>If you disagree, I want you to walk out on the street and look into the eyes of the first person you meet. There's a 99% chance that this person's entire soul will be on display. It will be clear to you that they're an idiot, with bad taste, with money to burn. They don't know the difference between a serif, a sans-serif, and a slab-serif - but they are affected by it.<br><br>It's a fact: successful business owners exploit distasteful idiots. Apple Computer makes the best computer hardware and software in the world, but they will never sell more computers than bargain-basement Dell. You have to work harder to please customers who can discern good design, but lucky for Dell, those people are a very small minority of the population.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-07-01_15:01:39", "killed": false, "user_key": "8634e0d24d860f8f9e027ae401b2d943", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632763": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Sadly, Scoble is right. There's a lot of arguing above, but nobody cares about the previous comments, because the arguments are over intellectualized. Only designers care about such arguments. Scoble's viewpoint is quantified once and for all by the following pair of irrefutable economic truths:<br><br>1) people with bad taste &gt; people with good taste<br><br>2) more customers = more money<br><br>Scoble, you can close the comments now.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-07-01_15:04:06", "killed": false, "user_key": "8c5548eb0b2b80924f237953392df5e7", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632766": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "This is probably the illogical blog I've ever read.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-07-12_18:05:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "2e6fc6358350e5543e9ebf45f6acc5d9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9632767": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "No, no, no. I disagree totally! The said websites are success not because of their ugly design,  but because of their idea, because it was something new and viral.<br><br>The reason for their ugly design is the fact that they all started as a homework project. Now that they gone big, why would they change their look?<br><br>It does not mean that you can build an ugly site and be successfull. No you won't.<br><br>And who said that simple, uncluttered, fast loading design can't be pretty?<br><br>Get real people!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-07-12_17:37:27", "killed": false, "user_key": "30f6a7b8b172a6b4f40fad109fa46706", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}}, "integration": {"receiver_url": "", "theme": 4, "reply_position": true, "disqus_logo": false}, "timer": {"timer_url": "http://localhost:8005", "thread_id": "18359283", "user_id": "anonymous", "forum_id": "125200", "hash": -5557068555253112892}, "thread": {"total_posts": 0, "paginate": false, "per_page": 0, "slug": "the_role_of_anti_marketing_design", "num_pages": 1, "days_alive": 0, "realtime_paused": true, "id": 18359283, "num_posts": 201, "closed": true, "queued": false, "killed": false}, "reactions_limit": 10, "context": {"show_reply": false, "use_fb_connect": true, "forum_facebook_key": "faaf467d0f47abde553c3b8e0e1b3570", "use_yahoo": false, "subscribed": false, "use_twitter_signin": true, "use_openid": false, "realtime_speed": 5000}, "reactions_start": 0, "settings": {"debug": false, "disqus_url": "http://disqus.com", "media_url": "http://media.disqus.com"}, "media_url": "http://media.disqus.com"};
	/* */ this.jsonData.cookie_messages = {"user_created": null, "post_has_profile": null, "post_twitter": null, "post_not_approved": null}; this.jsonData.session = {"url": null, "name": null, "email": null}; /* */

	
	this.curPageId = 'dsq-comments';

	this.frames = {};
};

var disqus_popup_reference = null;

if(typeof DsqLocal == 'undefined') {
	DsqLocal = {};
}



/**
 * Dsq.Strings: UI strings
 */
Dsq.Strings = new function() {
	this.ADD_NEW_COMMENT = "Add New Comment";
	this.LOG_INTO_DISQUS = "Log into DISQUS";
	this.USE_MEDIA = "Use Media";
	this.LOGOUT = "Logout";
	this.SHARING_OPTIONS = "Sharing options";
	this.SHARE_ON = "Share on";
	this.TWEET_THIS_COMMENT = "Tweet this comment";
	this.SHARE_ON_NEWSFEED = "Share on news feed";
	this.SEND_UPDATE_TO_YAHOO = "Send update to Yahoo!";
	this.REBLOG_ON = "Reblog on";
	this.CONFIGURE_OPTIONS = "Configure options";
	this.POST_AS = "Post as";
	this.SORT_BY = "Sort by";
	this.SUBSCRIBE_BY_EMAIL = "Subscribe by email";
	this.SUBSCRIBE_BY_RSS = "Subscribe by RSS";
	this.POPULAR_NOW = "Popular now";
	this.BEST_RATING = "Best Rating";
	this.NEWEST_FIRST = "Newest first";
	this.OLDEST_FIRST = "Oldest first";
	this.HIGHLIGHTED = "Highlighted";
	this.UNSUBSCRIBE = "Unsubscribe";
	this.REQUIRED = "Required";
	this.OPTIONAL = "Optional";
	this.YOU_ARE_COMMENTING_AS_A = "You are commenting as a";
	this.LOGIN_BELOW = "Login below";
	this.PLEASE_LOGIN_BELOW_TO_COMMENT = "Please login below to comment.";
	this.SUBSCRIBE_TO_ALL_COMMENTS_BY_EMAIL = "Subscribe to all comments by email";
	this.DO_NOT_SUBSCRIBE_TO_COMMENTS = "Do not subscribe to comments";
	this.REALTIME_UPDATING_IS = "Real-time updating is";
	this.ENABLED = "enabled";
	this.PAUSED = "paused";
	this.PAUSE = "Pause";
	this.RESUME = "Resume";
	this.SHOW = "Show";
	this.JUST_NOW = "Just now";
	this.REPLY = "Reply";
	this.EDIT = "Edit";
	this.FLAG = "Flag";
	this.MODERATE = "Moderate";
	this.CANCEL = "Cancel";
	this.REPLYING_TO = "Replying to";
	this.REPORT_MISSING_REACTIONS = "Report missing reactions";
	this.POST_A_COMMENT = "Post a comment";
	this.FLAG_INAPPROPRIATE_COMMENT = "Flag inappropriate comment";
	this.FLAGGED = "Flagged";
	this.NO = "No";
	this.YES = "Yes";
	this.NEVER_MIND = "Never mind";
	this.ARE_YOU_SURE_YOU_WOULD_LIKE_TO_REPORT_THIS_COMMENT_TO_A_MODERATOR = "Are you sure you would like to report this comment to a moderator";
	this.THIS_WILL_FLAG_COMMENTS_FOR_MODERATORS_TO_TAKE_ACTION = "This will flag comments for moderators to take action";
	this.TO_RATE_PLEASE_LOG_IN = "To rate, please log in";
	this.JUST_A_MOMENT = "Just a moment...";
	this.GUEST = "Guest";
	this.NAME = "Name";
	this.EMAIL = "Email";
  this.WEBSITE = "Website";
  this.SETTINGS = "Settings";
  this.MODERATOR_OPTIONS = "Moderator options: ";
  this.MODERATE_OPTIONS = "Moderate Options";

  // Thread moderator actions
  this.CLOSE_THREAD = "Close thread";
  this.OPEN_THREAD = "Open thread";
  this.REMOVE_THREAD = "Remove thread";
  this.RESTORE_THREAD = "Restore thread";
  this.ACTIONS = "Actions";
};
// Dsq.Strings

/**
 * Dsq.FmtStrings: functions that return interpolated UI strings
 */
Dsq.FmtStrings = new function() {
	// Seems we have to use named interpolation for Django to translate. Investigate more.
	this.LOGGED_IN_AS = function(username) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate('Logged in as %(username)s', {username:username});
	};

	this.LOGOUT_FROM = function(disqus) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate('Logout from %(disqus)s', {disqus:disqus});
	};

	this.SHOWING_COMMENTS_FULL = function(total, num) {
		if (num === 1) {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> of <span id='dsq-total-posts'>%(total)s</span> comment", {num:num, total:total});
		} else {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> of <span id='dsq-total-posts'>%(total)s</span> comments", {num:num, total:total});
		}
	};

	this.SHOWING_COMMENTS_WITHOUT_PAGINATION = function(num) {
		if (num === 1) {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> comment", {num:num});
		} else {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> comments", {num:num});
		}
	};

	this.NUMBER_OF_COMMENTS = function(num) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
			(num == 1
				? '%(num)s comment'
				: '%(num)s comments'
			), {num:num});
	};

	this.NUMBER_OF_LIKES = function(num) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
			(num == 1
				? '%(num)s like'
				: '%(num)s likes'
			), {num:num});
	};

	this.NUMBER_OF_POINTS = function(num) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
			(num == 1
				? '%(num)s point'
				: '%(num)s points'
			), {num:num});
	};
};
// Dsq.FmtStrings





Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN = 'a2d140c59df8cd4ce27a20e0829cacd8';
Dsq.COMMENTS_RE = /(<li.*?id="?dsq-comment-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*?)(<\/li>)/gim;
Dsq.POST_RE = /(<div.*?id="?dsq-comment-header-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*?)(<\/div>)\s*(<div.*?class="?dsq-comment-body"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*)(<\/div>)/gim;
Dsq.POST_BODY_RE = /\s*(<div.*?id="?dsq-comment-message-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*)(<\/div>)/gim;
// HACK: Safari ends with "-->" while other browsers end with "--&gt;" as expected.
Dsq.MEDIA_POST_RE = /&lt;!--\[(.*?)\]--(?:>|&gt;)/gim;



var FragmentPacket = function(reader, writer, writer_url, is_child, receiveCallback) {
	var that = this;
	this.reader = reader;
	this.writer = writer;
	this.writer_url = writer_url;

	this.is_child = is_child || false;
	this.receiveCallback = receiveCallback;

	this._lastHash = null;

	this._accumMsg = '';

	this._lastSeqno = 0;

	this.MAX_DATA_LEN	= 1024;

	this.WAIT_TIME		= 10;

	this.READY		= 0x1;
	this.WRITING	= 0x2;
	this.FIN		= 0x4;
	this.ACK		= 0x8;

};

FragmentPacket.prototype.createListener = function() {
	var that = this;
	var listener = function() {
		that.recv();
	};
	return window.setInterval(listener, 10);
};

FragmentPacket.prototype.log = function(msg) {



};

FragmentPacket.prototype.recv = function() {
	var hash;
	if (/MSIE/.test(navigator.userAgent)) {

		hash = this.reader.name;
	} else {

		var hashIndex = this.reader.location.href.indexOf('#');
		if (hashIndex == -1) {
			return;
		}
		hash = this.reader.location.href.substring(hashIndex+1);
	}
	var flags = parseInt(hash.substring(0, 4), 10);
	var seqno = parseInt(hash.substring(4, 24), 10);
	var data  = hash.substring(24);

	if (this._lastHash !== hash) {
		this._lastHash = hash;
		this.log('recv: ' + hash);

		this.log(' flags: ' + flags);
		this.log(' seqno: ' + seqno + ' len: ' + hash.substring(4, 24).length + ' (' + hash.substring(4, 24) + ')');
		this.log(' data: ' + data + ' len: ' + data.length);

		this._lastSeqno = seqno;

		if (flags & this.WRITING) {
			this._accumMsg += data;
			this.sendFlag(this.ACK, seqno);
			if (flags & this.FIN) {
				this.log('recv finished: ' + decodeURIComponent(this._accumMsg));
				this.receiveCallback(decodeURIComponent(this._accumMsg));

				this._accumMsg = '';

				this.sendFlag(this.READY | this.ACK, this._lastSeqno);
			}
		}
	}

	return {
		flags: flags,
		seqno: seqno,
		data: data
	};
};

FragmentPacket.prototype.sendRawPacket = function(packet) {
	if (/MSIE/.test(navigator.userAgent)) {
		this.writer.name = packet;
	} else {

		this.writer.location.href = this.writer_url + '#' + packet;
	}

};

FragmentPacket.prototype.sendFlag = function(flag, seqno) {
	this.sendRawPacket(this._zerofill(flag, 4) + this._zerofill(seqno, 20));
};

FragmentPacket.prototype.send = function(msg) {
	this._send(0, encodeURIComponent(msg));
};

FragmentPacket.prototype._send = function(packetNum, msg) {
	var that = this;
	var recvBuf = this.recv();

	if (packetNum === 0) {

		if (!(recvBuf.flags & this.READY)) {
			this.log('client is not ready, waiting...');
			window.setTimeout(function() { that._send(packetNum, msg); }, this.WAIT_TIME);
			return;
		}
	} else {

		if (!( (recvBuf.flags & this.ACK) && (recvBuf.seqno === this._lastSeqno) )) {
			this.log('waiting for ack from client...');
			window.setTimeout(function() { that._send(packetNum, msg); }, this.WAIT_TIME);
			return;
		} else {
			this.log('received ack: ' + this._lastSeqno + ' ' + recvBuf.seqno);
		}
	}

	var flags = this.WRITING;
	var num_packets = Math.ceil(msg.length / this.MAX_DATA_LEN);
	this.log('num_packets: ' + num_packets);

	if (num_packets === packetNum) {

		this.log('message successfully sent!');
		this.sendFlag(this.READY | this.ACK, this._lastSeqno);
		return true;
	}

	this._lastSeqno++;

	if (packetNum == num_packets-1) {
		flags |= this.FIN;
	}

	var data = msg.substring(packetNum * this.MAX_DATA_LEN, (packetNum+1) * this.MAX_DATA_LEN);
	var packet = this._zerofill(flags, 4) + this._zerofill(this._lastSeqno, 20) + data;

	this.log('sending raw packet: ' + packet);
	this.sendRawPacket(packet);

	return this._send(packetNum + 1, msg);
};

FragmentPacket.prototype._zerofill = function(num, width) {
	var retval = num.toString();
	var retval_len = retval.length;
	for (var i = 0; i < width - retval_len; i++) {
		retval = '0' + retval;
	}
	return retval;
};

var PostMessagePacket = function(receiver, receiveCallback, id, receiverId) {
	var that = this;
	this.receiver = receiver;
	this.receiveCallback = receiveCallback;
	this.id = id;


	this.receiverId = receiverId;
};

PostMessagePacket.prototype.createListener = function() {
	var that = this;

	var listener = function(e) {

		if (!that.id) {
			that.id = e.data;
			return;
		}


		var id = e.data.split(';')[0];
		if (id !== that.id) {
			return;
		}
		var data = e.data.substring(e.data.indexOf(';') + 1);

		that.receiveCallback(data);
	};

	if (typeof window.attachEvent == 'function') {
		window.attachEvent('onmessage', listener);
	} else if (typeof window.addEventListener == 'function') {
		window.addEventListener('message', listener, false);
	} else {
		throw new Error('No method found to create event listener for PostMessagePacket.');
	}
};

PostMessagePacket.prototype.send = function(msg) {



	var needs_reget = false;
	try {
		if (typeof this.receiver.id == 'undefined' || typeof this.receiver.postMessage == 'undefined') {
			needs_reget = true;
		}
	} catch(e) {


	}
	if (needs_reget && typeof this.receiverId != 'undefined') {
		this.receiver = document.getElementById(this.receiverId).contentWindow;
	}

	var packet;
	if (!msg) {

		packet = this.id;
	} else {
		packet = this.id + ';' + msg;
	}
	this.receiver.postMessage(packet, '*');
};

PostMessagePacket._last_unique_id = null;
PostMessagePacket._get_unique_id = function() {
	var id = (new Date()).getTime();
	if (id == PostMessagePacket._last_unique_id) {
		id++;
	}
	PostMessagePacket._last_unique_id = id;
	return id.toString();
};

var JsonRpc = function() {

	this.ids = {};

	this.objectToJSON = function(obj) {
		var json = '';
		var results = [];

		if (obj === undefined || obj === null) {
			return 'null';
		}

		switch (obj.constructor) {
			case Object:
				for (var property in obj) {
					if (obj.hasOwnProperty(property)) {
						results.push(this.objectToJSON(property) + ': ' + this.objectToJSON(obj[property]));
					}
				}
				json = '{' + results.join(', ') + '}';
				break;
			case Array:
				for (var i = 0; i < obj.length; i++) {
					results.push(this.objectToJSON(obj[i]));
				}
				json = '[' + results.join(', ') + ']';
				break;
			case Number:
			case Boolean:
				json = obj.toString();
				break;
			case String:

				var specialChars = {'\b': '\\b', '\t': '\\t', '\n': '\\n', '\f': '\\f', '\r': '\\r', '\\': '\\\\'};

				json = obj.replace(/[\x00-\x1f\\]/g, function(match) {
					var ch = specialChars[match];
					return ch ? ch : '\\u00' + match.charCodeAt().toPaddedString(2, 16);
				});

				json = '"' + json.replace(/"/g, '\\"') + '"';
				break;
			default:

				json = 'null';
				break;
		}

		return json;
	};

	this.createHandler = function(send_func, registered_funcs) {
		var that = this;
		var handler = function(message) {

			try {
				var rpc = eval('(' + message + ')');
			} catch(e) {
				alert('bad JSON: ' + message);
				return;
			}
			if (rpc.method) {

				if (!registered_funcs[rpc.method]) {
					return;
				}

				var retval = registered_funcs[rpc.method].apply(null, rpc.params);
				if (rpc.id) {
					var response = {
						result: retval,
						error: null,	// TODO
						id: rpc.id
					};
					send_func(that.objectToJSON(response));
				}
			} else if(rpc.result) {

				if (!that.ids[rpc.id]) {
					return;
				}

				that.ids[rpc.id](rpc.result);
				delete that.ids[rpc.id];
			}
		};
		return handler;
	};

	this.execute = function(send_func, method, params, response_callback) {
		response_callback = response_callback || null;
		var id = (response_callback) ? (new Date()).getTime() : null;

		var request = {
			method: method,
			params: params,
			id: id
		};

		send_func(this.objectToJSON(request));

		if (id) {
			this.ids[id] = response_callback;
		}
	};
};
JsonRpc = new JsonRpc();

var ParentMessenger = function(childUrl, receiverUrl, container, receiveCallback) {


	if (navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Safari') >= 0 && parseInt(navigator.userAgent.substring(navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Version/') + 8), 10) == 3) {
		throw new Error("unsupported.");
	} else if (window.opera) {
		throw new Error("unsupported.");
	}



	if (!receiverUrl &&
		navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Gecko') >= 0 &&
		parseFloat(navigator.userAgent.slice(navigator.userAgent.indexOf('rv:') + 3, navigator.userAgent.indexOf('rv:') + 6)) < 1.9) {
		throw new Error("unsupported.");
	}


	if (/msie/i.test(navigator.userAgent) && !/opera/i.test(navigator.userAgent)) {


		if (document.domain == window.location.hostname) {
			receiverUrl = '';
		}
	}

	var that = this;
	this.childUrl = childUrl;
	this.receiverUrl = receiverUrl;
	this.container = container || document.body;

	this.packetHandler = null;


	this._ready = false;
	this._error = false;


	var _createReceiverForFragmentPacket = function() {

		that.receiver = document.createElement('iframe');
		that.receiver.src = receiverUrl;
		that.receiver.id = 'receiver_' + (new Date()).getTime();
		that.receiver.name = that.receiver.id;

		that.receiver.frameBorder = '0';
		that.receiver.frameSpacing = '0';
		that.receiver.style.borderStyle = 'none';

		var receiver_onload = function() {
			var receiver = document.getElementById(that.receiver.id).contentWindow;

			try {
				receiver.document.body.innerHTML = '';
			} catch(e) {

				that._error = true;
			}
			receiver.document.body.style.padding = '0px';
			receiver.document.body.style.margin = '0px';

			var child = receiver.document.createElement('iframe');
			child.id = 'child';
			child.name = 'child';
			child.src = that.childUrl;

			child.frameBorder = '0';
			child.frameSpacing = '0';
			child.style.borderStyle = 'none';
			child.style.width = '100%';
			child.style.height = '100%';
			receiver.document.body.appendChild(child);

			that.child = receiver.document.getElementById('child').contentWindow;
			that.receiver = receiver;

			that.packetHandler = new FragmentPacket(that.receiver, that.child, that.childUrl, false, receiveCallback);

			that._listener = that.packetHandler.createListener();

			that.packetHandler.sendFlag(that.packetHandler.READY, 0);

			that._ready = true;
		};

		that.receiver.onreadystatechange = function() {
			if (this.readyState == 'complete') {
				receiver_onload();
			}
		};

		that.receiver.onload = receiver_onload;







		if (Dsq.Utils.ie) {
			if (that.container.clientWidth === 0) {

				var _waitForWidth = function() {
					if (that.container.clientWidth > 0) {
						Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(that.container.id);
					} else {
						window.setTimeout(_waitForWidth, 100);
					}
				};
				_waitForWidth();

				that._once = false;
				that.receiver.onresize = function() {
					if (!that._once) {
						Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(that.container.id);
					}
					that._once = true;
				};
			}
		}

		that.container.appendChild(that.receiver);
	};


	var _createReceiverForPostMessage = function() {

		var receiver_onload = function() {

			that.packetHandler.send();
			that._ready = true;
		};

		var id = PostMessagePacket._get_unique_id();
		var receiverId = 'child_' + id;


		ParentMessenger['_receiver_onload_' + receiverId] = receiver_onload;

		that.container.innerHTML += '<iframe ' +
			'src="' + childUrl + '" ' +
			'id="' + receiverId + '" ' +
			'name="' + receiverId + '" ' +
			'onload="ParentMessenger._receiver_onload_' + receiverId +'();" ' +
			'></iframe>';

		that.receiver = document.getElementById(receiverId).contentWindow;
		that.packetHandler = new PostMessagePacket(that.receiver, receiveCallback, id, receiverId);
		that._listener = that.packetHandler.createListener();
	};

	if (typeof window.postMessage == 'function') {
		_createReceiverForPostMessage();
	} else {
		_createReceiverForFragmentPacket();
	}

};

ParentMessenger.prototype.sendMessage = function(message) {
	var that = this;
	if (!this._ready) {

		window.setTimeout(function() { that.sendMessage(message); }, 10);
		return;
	}
	this.packetHandler.send(message);
	return true;
};

Dsq.NewFrames = function(url) {
	this.url = url;
};

Dsq.NewFrames.prototype.init = function(onFailure) {
	var that = this;

	try {
		this.messenger = new ParentMessenger(this.url, Dsq.jsonData.integration.receiver_url, this.container, this.receive_callback);
	} catch(e) {
		if (typeof onFailure == 'function') {
			onFailure();
		}
	}

	if (typeof onFailure == 'function') {
		var iId = window.setInterval(function() {
			if (typeof that.messenger == 'undefined') {
				window.clearInterval(iId);
				return;
			}
			if (that.messenger._ready) {
				window.clearInterval(iId);
			} else if (that.messenger._error) {
				window.clearInterval(iId);
				onFailure();
			}
		}, 10);
	}
};

Dsq.NewFrames.prototype._execute = function(method, args, callback) {
	var that = this;
	if (typeof that.messenger == 'undefined') {
		return false;
	}
	JsonRpc.execute(
		function(msg) { that.messenger.sendMessage(msg); },
		method,
		args || [],
		callback);
	return true;
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame = function(container, parent_post_id) {
	var that = this;
	this.container = container;
	this.parent_post_id = parent_post_id;

	var sendFunc = function(msg) {

		Dsq.Debug.log('Dsq.ReplyFrame.sendFunc');
		that.messenger.sendMessage(msg);
	};


	var postComment_onSuccess = function(response) {
		Dsq.jsonData.posts[response.message.id] = response.message.post_meta;
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.users[response.message.post_meta.user_key]) {
			Dsq.jsonData.users[response.message.post_meta.user_key] = response.message.user_meta;
		}


		var reply_position = (typeof(disqus_insert_wrt_sort) == 'undefined' 
			? (Dsq.jsonData.forum.reply_position ? -1 : null) 
			: (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 2 ? null : -1));
		
		if (response.message.post_meta.approved) {
			Dsq.Post.insert(response.message.post_meta.parent_post_id || reply_position, response.message.id, response.message.post_meta.message);
		}

		Dsq.Templates.postComment_onSuccess(response, parent_post_id, response.message.id);
	};

	var postComment_onFailure = function(response) {
		Dsq.Popup.popModal(response.message, 'Error');
		Dsq.Templates.postComment_onFailure(response, parent_post_id, response.message.id);
	};

	var editComment_onSuccess = function(response) {
		var post_id = parent_post_id;
		var message = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + post_id);
		
		message.innerHTML = response.message;
		Dsq.Templates.toggleEdit(post_id);
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};
	
	var editComment_onFailure = function(response) {
		var post_id = parent_post_id;
		
		Dsq.Popup.popModal('Sorry, there was an error editing this comment.', 'Edit Error');
		Dsq.Templates.toggleEdit(post_id);
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};

	var getUserByEmail_onSuccess = function(response) {
		var msg = response.message;
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(parent_post_id);

		if (msg.username) {

			Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(parent_post_id, 'login', {
				'username': msg.username,
				'display_name': msg.display_name,
				'avatar_url': msg.avatar_url,
				'verified': msg.verified,
				'email': fields.email.value
			});
		} else {

			Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(parent_post_id, 'register');
		}
	};

	var validateAuth_onSuccess = function(response, auth_choice) {
		Dsq.Templates.postComment(parent_post_id, null, true, auth_choice);
	};

	var validateAuth_onFailure = function(response, auth_choice) {
		var pid = parent_post_id ? '-' + parent_post_id : '';
		var msg = response.message;

		if (auth_choice == 'register') {
			var fields = ['email', 'username', 'password'];

			for (var i = 0; i < fields.length; i++) {
				var field = fields[i];
				var errorDiv = Dsq.$('dsq-' + field + '-errors' + pid);

				if (msg[field]) {
					errorDiv.innerHTML = msg[field];
				} else {
					errorDiv.innerHTML = '';
				}
			}
		} else if (auth_choice == 'login') {
			Dsq.$('dsq-lightbox-errors' + pid).innerHTML = '<p>We couldn\'t log you in. Please verify your login.</p>';
		}
		
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};

	this.receive_callback = JsonRpc.createHandler(sendFunc, {
		'postComment.onSuccess': postComment_onSuccess,
		'postComment.onFailure': postComment_onFailure,
		'editComment.onSuccess': editComment_onSuccess,
		'editComment.onFailure': editComment_onFailure,		
		'getUserByEmail.onSuccess': getUserByEmail_onSuccess,
		'validateAuth.onSuccess': validateAuth_onSuccess,
		'validateAuth.onFailure': validateAuth_onFailure,
		'reload': function() { window.location.reload(); }
	});

	this.url = Dsq.Urls.REPLY +
		'?' + (new Date()).getTime() +
		'&f=scobleizer' +
		'&t=the_role_of_anti_marketing_design' +
		'&ff=' + Dsq.Thread.ff +
		'&default_text=' + encodeURIComponent(disqus_default_text) +
		'&ifrs=' + encodeURIComponent(disqus_iframe_css);
	if (this.parent_post_id) {
		this.url += '&parent_post=' + this.parent_post_id;
	}
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype = new Dsq.NewFrames(Dsq.ReplyFrame.url);

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.post = function(author_name, author_email, author_url, authenticate, sharing_services, subscribe) {
	this._execute('postComment', [author_name, author_email, author_url, authenticate, sharing_services, subscribe]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.edit = function(post_id, message) {
	this._execute('editComment', [post_id, message]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.setState = function(parent_post_id, depth) {
	this._execute('setState', [parent_post_id, depth]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.getUserByEmail = function(email) {
	this._execute('getUserByEmail', [email]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.validateAuth = function(auth_choice, email, username, password) {
	this._execute('validateAuth', [auth_choice, email, username, password]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.authenticateFacebook = function(session, forum_url) {
	this._execute('authenticateFacebook', [session, forum_url]);
};

	Dsq.Facebook = function() {
	var that = this;

	var handleSessionData = function(session) {

		var forum_url = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;




		if (typeof disqus_facebook_forum != 'undefined') {
			forum_url = disqus_facebook_forum;
		}
		Dsq.frames.reply_0.authenticateFacebook(session, forum_url);
	};

	var onLogin = function() {
		FB.Connect.getSignedPublicSessionData(handleSessionData);
	};

	this.login = function() {
		FB.Connect.requireSession(onLogin, true);
	};
};
Dsq.Facebook = new Dsq.Facebook();


	






Dsq.Themes = {};

Dsq.Themes.narcissus = new function() {
	this.addPostContainer = 'dsq-form-area';
	this.textareaContainer = 'dsq-textarea-wrapper';



	
	this.header = function() {
		var comments_count, total_posts, num_posts;
		var html = '';
		var missing_perm_tmpl;

		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.missing_perm) {
			missing_perm_tmpl = Dsq.Templates.missingPermissions();
			if (missing_perm_tmpl) {
				html += '<div class="dsq-missing-permissions">' + missing_perm_tmpl + '</div>';
			}
		}

		total_posts = Dsq.jsonData.thread.total_posts;
		num_posts = Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_posts;

		if (total_posts) {
			comments_count = Dsq.FmtStrings.SHOWING_COMMENTS_FULL(total_posts, num_posts);
		} else {
			comments_count = Dsq.FmtStrings.SHOWING_COMMENTS_WITHOUT_PAGINATION(num_posts);
		}

		html += ' \
		<div id="dsq-comments-title"> \
			<h3>' + comments_count + '</h3> \
		</div> \
		';

		html += ' \
		<div class="dsq-options"> \
			<span class="dsq-item-sort">'
				+ Dsq.Strings.SORT_BY + ' \
				<select id="dsq-sort-select" onchange="Dsq.Thread.sortBy(this.value);"> \
					<option value="hot" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 4 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.POPULAR_NOW + '</option> \
					<option value="best" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 3 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.BEST_RATING + '</option> \
					<option value="newest" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 2 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.NEWEST_FIRST + '</option> \
					<option value="oldest" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 1 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.OLDEST_FIRST + '</option> \
				</select> \
				&nbsp; \
			</span> \
			<span class="dsq-subscribe-email"> \
				<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/email.png" style="width:12px;height:12px;vertical-align:middle"> \
				<span id="dsq-subscribe">'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.subscribed
						? '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(0); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.UNSUBSCRIBE + '</a>'
						: '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_BY_EMAIL + '</a>')
				+ '</span> \
			</span> \
			<span class="dsq-subscribe-rss" style="width:12px;height:12px;vertical-align:middle"> \
				<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/bullet-feed.png" alt="" /> \
				<a href="http://scobleizer.disqus.com/the_role_of_anti_marketing_design/latest.rss">' + Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_BY_RSS + '</a> \
			</span> \
		</div> \
		';

		
		

		return html;

	};
	
	this.footer = function() {
		var html = '';

		html += Dsq.Templates.pagination();

		
		
			html += Dsq.Templates.realtime();
			html += Dsq.Templates.showThreadSettings();
			html += Dsq.Templates.postBox();

		html += Dsq.Templates.reactions();

		
			html += Dsq.Templates.trackbacks();
		


		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator) {
 			html += ' \
				<div class="dsq-global-moderator-extras">'
					+ '<strong>shortname:</strong> ' + Dsq.jsonData.forum.url
					+ '<strong>thread id:</strong> ' + Dsq.jsonData.thread.id
					+ '<strong>thread slug:</strong> ' + Dsq.jsonData.thread.slug
				+ '</div> \
			';
		}

		return html;
	};
	
	this.realtime = function() {
		var html = '';
		
		if (Dsq.jsonData.realtime_enabled) {
			html += '<div id="dsq-realtime-options" class="dsq-options">'
					 + Dsq.Strings.REALTIME_UPDATING_IS + ' <strong id="dsq-realtime-status" style="text-transform: lowercase">' + Dsq.Strings.ENABLED + '</strong>. \
					 <a href="#" id="dsq-realtime-toggle" style="text-transform: capitalize"></a> \
					</div>';
		}

		if (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
			html += ' \
				<div style="display: none" id="dsq-realtime-alert" class="dsq-realtime-alert"><span id="dsq-realtime-queued"></span> <a href="#" id="dsq-realtime-show"></a></div> \
			';
		}
		
		return html;
	};

	this.showThreadSettings = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) {
			return '';
		}

		html = '<div id="dsq-thread-settings" class="dsq-thread-settings">' + Dsq.Strings.MODERATOR_OPTIONS;
		html += '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.showSettings(); return false;">' + Dsq.Strings.SETTINGS + '</a>';
		html += '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.showModeratorActions(); return false;">' + Dsq.Strings.MODERATE + '</a>';
		if (Dsq.jsonData.forum.reactions_enabled && Dsq.jsonData.reactions.length === 0) {
			html += '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Reaction.reportMissingReactions(); return false;">'
						+ Dsq.Strings.REPORT_MISSING_REACTIONS
						+ '</a>';
		}
		html +='</div>';

		return html;
	};

	this.postBox = function(post_id, use_fallback_iframe) {


		var html;
		var display_sharing_options = Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated;

		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated && Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled && !Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post) {
			return '';
		}
		
		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote) {


			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.hasOwnProperty(Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain)) {
				display_sharing_options = false;
			}
		}
		
		if (post_id) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];				
		}
		
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';

		var _requestUserInfo = function() {
			var html;



			var user_has_email = false;

			html = '<div class="dsq-request-user-info"> <!-- // If authenticated --> \
				<a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT + '?ctkn=' + Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN + '" class="dsq-request-user-logout">' + Dsq.Strings.LOGOUT + '</a> \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td rowspan="2">'
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '<a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE + '">' : '')
								+ '<img src="' + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_AVATAR + '" width="48" height="48" class="dsq-request-user-avatar">'
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '</a>' : '')
						+ '</td> \
						<td class="dsq-request-user-name">'
								+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
									 ? '<span class="dsq-badge-small dsq-badge-' + Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain + '">' + Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain + '</span>'
									 : (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_verified
											? '<span class="dsq-badge-small dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span>'
											: '<span class="dsq-badge-small dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span>'))
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? ' <a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE + '">' : '') 
								+ Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username 
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '</a>' : '')
							+  (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote && user_has_email ? ' <small>(<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.remoteAccountSettings(); return false;">change settings</a>)</small>' : '')
							+  (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote && !Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? ' <small>(<a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/info/" target="_blank">change name</a> or <a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/avatar/" target="_blank">picture</a>)</small>' : '')
						+ '</td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-request-user-stats"> \
							<span><big>' + Dsq.jsonData.request.comments_count + '</big> ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.comments_count == 1 ? 'comment' : 'comments') + '</span> \
							<span><big>' + Dsq.jsonData.request.likes_count + '</big> ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.likes_count == 1 ? 'like' : 'likes') + '</span> \
							<span><big>' + Dsq.jsonData.request.points + '</big> ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.points == 1 ? 'point' : 'points') + '</span> \
						</td> \
					</tr> \
				</table> \
			</div> \
			';
			return html;
		};

		var _loginOptions = function() {
			var html;
			html = ' \
			<div class="dsq-authenticate"> \
				<p class="dsq-autheneticate-copy">'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
					? Dsq.Strings.YOU_ARE_COMMENTING_AS_A + ' <a class="dsq-help" title="Click for more information" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Guest</a>. ' + Dsq.Strings.OPTIONAL + ': ' + Dsq.Strings.LOGIN_BELOW + '.'
					: Dsq.Strings.REQUIRED + ': ' + Dsq.Strings.PLEASE_LOGIN_BELOW_TO_COMMENT + '.')
				+ '</p> \
				<ul class="dsq-login-buttons">'
					+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-disqus.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Facebook.login(); return false;"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-facebook.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Twitter.startTwitterConnect(); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-twitter.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.OpenID.requestURL(); return false" ><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-openid.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_yahoo ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Yahoo.startYahooConnect(); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-yahoo.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
				+ '</ul> \
			</div> \
			';
			return html;
		};

		if (!Dsq.jsonData.context.show_reply) {


			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {



				return '<div id="dsq-form-area" style="display:none"><div id="dsq-textarea-wrapper"></div></div>' + _loginOptions();
			} else {
				return '';
			}
		}

		html = ' \
		<div id="' + (post_id 
			? 'dsq-reply-post-' + post_id
			: 'dsq-new-post')
		 	+ '" class="dsq-post-area"> \
			<div class="dsq-dc-logo"> \
				<a href="http://disqus.com/comments" target="_blank"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/disqus-logo.png"></a> \
			</div>'
			+ (post_id 
				? '<h3>' + Dsq.Strings.REPLYING_TO + ' ' + userData.display_name + '</h3>'
				: '<h3>' + Dsq.Strings.ADD_NEW_COMMENT + '</h3>')
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated 
				? _requestUserInfo()
				: _loginOptions() )
			+ '<div id="dsq-form-area' + pid + '">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-textarea"> \
				<div class="dsq-textarea-wrapper" id="dsq-textarea-wrapper' + pid + '"></div> \
			</div>'
			+ (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated
			? ' \
			<div class="dsq-post-fields"> \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-left"><div class="dsq-input-wrapper"><input id="dsq-field-name' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (disqus_def_name ? disqus_def_name : (Dsq.jsonData.session.name ? Dsq.jsonData.session.name : Dsq.Strings.NAME + '" class="dsq-placeholder')) + '" onfocus="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'name\')" onblur="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'name\')" /></div></td> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-right"><div class="dsq-input-wrapper"><input id="dsq-field-website' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (Dsq.jsonData.session.url ? Dsq.jsonData.session.url : Dsq.Strings.WEBSITE + ' (' + Dsq.Strings.OPTIONAL.toLowerCase() + ')" class="dsq-placeholder') + '" onfocus="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'website\')" onblur="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'website\')" /></div></td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-left"><div class="dsq-input-wrapper"><input id="dsq-field-email' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (disqus_def_email ? disqus_def_email : (Dsq.jsonData.session.email ? Dsq.jsonData.session.email : Dsq.Strings.EMAIL + '" class="dsq-placeholder')) + '" onfocus="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'email\')" onblur="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'email\')" /></div></td> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-right"> \
							<div class="dsq-subscribe"> \
								<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.chooseSubscribe(' + post_id + '); return false" class="dsq-subscribe-menu"><span id="dsq-subscribe-select' + pid + '">' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.subscribe_on_post ? Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_TO_ALL_COMMENTS_BY_EMAIL : Dsq.Strings.DO_NOT_SUBSCRIBE_TO_COMMENTS) + '</span> <small>&#9660;</small></a> \
								<ul class="dsq-panel" id="dsq-subscribe-menu' + pid + '"> \
									<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.setSubscribe(2, this, ' + post_id + '); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_TO_ALL_COMMENTS_BY_EMAIL + '</a></li> \
									<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.setSubscribe(0, this, ' + post_id + '); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.DO_NOT_SUBSCRIBE_TO_COMMENTS + '</a></li> \
								</ul> \
								<input id="dsq-subscribe-on-post' + pid + '" type="hidden" value="' + Dsq.jsonData.request.subscribe_on_post + '" /> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
					</tr> \
				</table> \
			</div>'
			: '')
			+ '<div class="dsq-post-footer"> \
				<div class="dsq-sharing-options" ' + (!display_sharing_options ? 'style="display:none;"' : '') + '> \
					<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onfocus="document.getElementById(\'dsq-post-button' + pid + '\').focus();"><span>' + Dsq.Strings.SHARING_OPTIONS + ' <small>&#9660;</small></span></button> \
					<div class="dsq-panel"> '
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.twitter !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.twitter.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-twitter' + pid + '"'
								  + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.twitter.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-twitter' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Twitter</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.facebook
								&& (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.facebook.enabled === true ||
										(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote && Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == 'facebook'))
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-facebook' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.facebook.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-facebook' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Facebook</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.yahoo !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.yahoo.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-yahoo' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.yahoo.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-yahoo' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Yahoo!</label> \
								</div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.tumblr !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.tumblr.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-tumblr' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.tumblr.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-tumblr' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Tumblr</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.wordpress !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.wordpress.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-wordpress' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.wordpress.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-wordpress' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Wordpress</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.movabletype !== undefined
							  && Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.movabletype.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-movabletype' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.movabletype.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-movabletype' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Movable Type</label> \
							   </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.typepad !== undefined
							  && Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.typepad.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-typepad' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.typepad.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
								  <label for="dsq-sharing-typepad' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' TypePad</label> \
							   </div>'
							: '')
						+ '<div><a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/connections/" target="_blank" class="dsq-configure-options">' + Dsq.Strings.CONFIGURE_OPTIONS + '</a></div>'
					+ '</div> \
				</div>'
				+ '<button type="button" class="dsq-button" id="dsq-post-button' + pid + '" onclick="Dsq.Templates.postComment(' + post_id + ', this, false)"><span>' + Dsq.Strings.POST_AS + ' '
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username
					? Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username
					: Dsq.Strings.GUEST)
				+ '</span></button>'
				+ (post_id
					? '<button type="button" class="dsq-button" id="dsq-cancel-button' + pid + '" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleReply(' + post_id +', this)"><span>' + Dsq.Strings.CANCEL + '</span></button>'
					: '')
			+ '</div>'
			+ '</div>' // end dsq-form-area
		+ '</div> \
		';
		
		return html;
	};




	this.appendPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="dsq-append-post-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.postPrependHeader = function(post_id) {
		var html;
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		
		html = ' \
		<table> \
			<tr> \
				<td id="dsq-header-avatar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-header-avatar" onmouseover="Dsq.Post.dropProfile(' + post_id + ')"> \
					<a id="dsq-avatar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-avatar" href="' + userData.url + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.show_avatar
					? '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key].avatar + '" alt="" />'
					: '')
				+ '</a> \
				</td> \
				<td class="dsq-comment-header-meta"> \
		';

		
		return html;
	};
	
	this.postAppendHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var html;
		var parent_display_name = '';
		
		if(_meta.parent_post_id) {

			var _parent_meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[_meta.parent_post_id];

			if (_parent_meta) {
				var parentUserData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_parent_meta.user_key];
				parent_display_name = parentUserData.display_name;
			}
		}

		html = ' \
		<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/moderator.png" class="dsq-moderator-star" title="Moderator" /> \
		<span class="dsq-comment-header-time"><a href="#comment-' + post_id + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.permalink(' + post_id + ')" title="Permalink">' + (_meta.is_realtime ? Dsq.Strings.JUST_NOW : _meta.date) + '</a></span> '
		+ (_meta.parent_post_id && parent_display_name
			? '<a href="#comment-' + _meta.parent_post_id + '" title="Jump to comment">in reply to ' + parent_display_name + '</a>'
			: '')
		+ '</td> \
		<td id="dsq-like-pts-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-comment-header-likes">'
		+ (_meta.points
			? _meta.points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(_meta.points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this.'
			: '')
		+ '</td> \
		</tr> \
		</table> \
		';
		return html;
	};

	this.preBody = function(post_id) {
		var html = '';
		return html;
	};

	this.postFooter = function(post_id) {
		var html;
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		if(_meta.killed || !_meta.approved) { return ''; }
		
		html = ' \
		<div class="dsq-comment-footer" id="dsq-comment-footer-' + post_id + '"> \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer-left">'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator
					? '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.moderateOptions(' + post_id+ '); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.MODERATE + '</a>'
					: '')
				+ '<a href="#" id="dsq-post-report-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-post-report" onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + post_id + ', false); return false;">' + Dsq.Strings.FLAG + '</a> \
			</div> \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer-right">'
				+ (_meta.votable 
					? '<span id="dsq-like-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-like">'
					+ (!_meta.up_voted
						? '<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onclick="Dsq.Post.rate(this, ' + post_id + ', 1)" >Like</button>'
						: 'You liked this.&nbsp;&nbsp;')
					+ '</span>'
					: '')
				+ (_meta.can_reply && !_meta.has_replies && _meta.from_request_user
					? '<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small dsq-post-edit" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + ')" >' + Dsq.Strings.EDIT + '</button>'
					: '')
				+ (_meta.can_reply
					? '<span class="dsq-comment-footer-reply" id="dsq-comment-footer-reply-' + post_id + '" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleReply(' + post_id +', this)"> \
						<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small">' + Dsq.Strings.REPLY + '</button> \
						<button type="button" class="dsq-comment-footer-reply-tab">' + Dsq.Strings.REPLY + '</button><span></span> \
					</span>'
					: '')
			+ '</div> \
		</div> \
		';
		
		return html;
	};



	
	this.showRetweets = function(id, limit, element_id /* Optional */) {
		var source, html = '';

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			if (reaction.id === id) {
				source = reaction.retweets;
			}
		}

		if (source) {
			if (limit === 0) {
				limit = source.length;
			}

			for (var j = 0; j < limit; j++) {
				var rt = source[j];
				html += '<a href="' + rt.url + '">' + rt.author_name + '</a>'	+ ((j === (limit - 1)) ? '.' : ', ');
			}
		}

		if (element_id === undefined) {
			return html;
		}

		var element = document.getElementById(element_id);
		element.innerHTML = html;
		return element;
	};

	this.showMoreReactions = function(reactions, has_more, start, limit) {
		var link = document.getElementById('dsq-show-more-reactions');
		var container = link.parentNode;
		container.removeChild(link);

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = reactions[i]; i++) {
			var el = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (el) {
				container.innerHTML += el;
			}
		}

		if (has_more) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = start;
			var l = limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			container.innerHTML += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions" class="dsq-show-more-reactions"><button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</button></li>';
		}
	};

	this.generateReactionHTML = function(reaction) {
		if (reaction.body === null || reaction.body == '') {
			return;
		}

		if (reaction.author_name === '') {
			reaction.author_name = '&nbsp;';
		}

		if (reaction.url === '') {
			reaction.url = reaction.get_service_url;
		}

		var item = '<li class="dsq-comment dsq-reaction" id="dsq-reaction-' + reaction.id + '">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-comment-header"> \
			<table> \
			<tr> \
			<td class="dsq-header-avatar"> \
			';

		if (reaction.author_url && reaction.author_url !== '') {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="' + reaction.author_url +'" class="dsq-avatar">';
		}

		if (reaction.avatar_url && reaction.avatar_url !== '') {
			item += '<img src="' + reaction.avatar_url + '"/>';
		} else {

			item += '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/noavatar92.png"/>';
		}

		var service_icon = (reaction.get_service_name == 'trackback' || reaction.get_service_name == 'pingback' ? 'rss' : reaction.get_service_name.replace(' ', ''));
		item += (reaction.author_url && reaction.author_url !== ''
				? '</a>'
				: '')
			+ '</td>'
			+ '<td><cite class="dsq-comment-cite">' + reaction.author_name + '</cite> <span class="dsq-comment-header-time">' + reaction.date_created + '</span></td>'
			+ '<td class="dsq-comment-header-likes"></td>'
			+ '</tr></table></div>' // end dsq-comment-header
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-header" \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-reaction-header-left">'
							+ '<img class="dsq-service-icon" src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/reactions/services/' + service_icon + '.png" />'
							+ ' From <a class="dsq-service-name" target="_blank" href="' + reaction.url + '">' + reaction.get_service_name + '</a> '
							+ 'via <a href="' + reaction.source_url + '">' + (reaction.source == 'backtype' ? 'BackType' : 'UberVU') + '</a>'
						+ '</td>'
						+ '<td class="dsq-reaction-header-right">';

			if(reaction.retweets) {
				var num_retweets = reaction.retweets.length;
				if (num_retweets > 0) {
					if (num_retweets == 1) {
						item += 'One more retweet from <a href="' + reaction.retweets[0].url + '">'  + reaction.retweets[0].author_name + '</a>';
					} else {
						item += (num_retweets + ' more retweets from ');
						item += '<span id="dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '">';
						var n_tweets = (num_retweets > 3) ? 3 : num_retweets;
						item += Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(reaction.id, n_tweets);
						if (n_tweets != num_retweets) {
							item += '</span> <a onclick="Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(' + reaction.id + ', 0, \'dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '\');'
								+ 'this.parentNode.removeChild(this); return false;" href="#">Show all</a>';
						}
					}
				}
			}	
			item += '</td></tr> \
			</table> \
			</div>' // end dsq-reaction-header
			+ '<div class="dsq-comment-body"> \
				<div class="dsq-comment-message">' + reaction.body + '</div>'
			+ '</div> \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer"> \
				<div class="dsq-comment-footer-left"> \
				</div>'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator 
					? ' \
					<div class="dsq-comment-footer-right"> \
						<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small dsq-hide-reaction" onclick="Dsq.Reaction.hide(' + reaction.id + ')">Hide</button> \
					</div>'
					: '')
			+ '</div>'
		item += '</li>'; /* Reaction HTML ends */
		return item;
	};

	this.reactions = function() {
		var html, reaction;

		if (Dsq.jsonData.reactions === undefined || Dsq.jsonData.reactions.length === 0) {
			return '';
		}

		html = '';
		for (var i = 0; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			var item = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (item) {
				html += item;
			}
		}

		if (Dsq.jsonData.has_more_reactions) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_start;
			var l = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			html += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions" class="dsq-show-more-reactions"><button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</button></li>';
		}

		return '<h3 id="dsq-reactions-title" class="dsq-h3-reactions">Reactions</h3><ul id="dsq-reactions" class="dsq-reactions">' + html + '</ul>';
	};
	
	this._popupGeneric = function(content) {
		return ' \
		<div class="dsq-popup-container"> \
			<table> \
				<tbody> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-tl"></td><td class="dsq-popup-b"></td><td class="dsq-popup-tr"></td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-b"></td> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-body"> \
							<div class="dsq-popup-content"> \
								<div class="dsq-popup-title"> \
									<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" style="float:right" onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true)">Close</button>'
									+ content['header'] 
								+ '</div>'
								+ content['body']
							+ '</div> \
							<div class="powered-by"><a href="http://disqus.com/comments/">Powered by <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-logo.png" alt="Disqus Comments" style="margin-bottom:-5px" /></a></div> \
						</td> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-b"></td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-bl"></td><td class="dsq-popup-b"></td><td class="dsq-popup-br"></td> \
					</tr> \
				</tbody> \
			</table> \
		</div> \
		';
	};



	
	this.chooseSubscribe = function(post_id) {

		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var menu = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-menu' + pid);
		
		menu.style.display = menu.style.display == 'block' ? 'none' : 'block';
		
	};
	
	this.setSubscribe = function(value, el, post_id) {

		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var input = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-on-post' + pid);
		var select = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-select' + pid);
		var menu = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-menu' + pid);
		
		select.innerHTML = el.innerHTML;
		input.value = value;
		this.chooseSubscribe(post_id);
	};
	
	this.getFormFields = function(post_id) {

		var fields = {};
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var name = Dsq.$('dsq-field-name' + pid);
		var email = Dsq.$('dsq-field-email' + pid);
		var website = Dsq.$('dsq-field-website' + pid);
		var username = Dsq.$('dsq-field-username' + pid);
		var password = Dsq.$('dsq-field-password' + pid);

		fields = {
			'name': name,
			'email': email,
			'website': website,
			'username': username,
			'password': password
		}
		
		return fields;
	}
	
	this.validateFields = function(post_id) {
		
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) { return true; }
		
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		
		var nameField = fields.name;
		var websiteField = fields.website;
		var emailField = fields.email;
		
		websiteField.value = (websiteField.value == Dsq.Templates.placeholder['website']) ? '' : websiteField.value;
		
		var v = [{

			validator: Dsq.Validators.name,
			value: nameField.value
		}, {

			validator: Dsq.Validators.email,
			value: emailField.value
		}, {

			validator: Dsq.Validators.url,
			value: websiteField.value
		}];
		
		return Dsq.Validators.validate(v, function(e) { Dsq.Popup.popModal(e, 'Oops...') } );
	};
	
	this.checkExistingUser = function(post_id) {
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);		
		Dsq.Popup.loading(post_id);
		
		if (post_id) {
			Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].getUserByEmail(fields.email.value);
		} else {
			Dsq.frames['reply_0'].getUserByEmail(fields.email.value);
		}
	};

	this.validateAuth = function(el_clicked, post_id, auth_choice) {
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		var email = fields.email ? fields.email.value : '';
		var username = fields.username ? fields.username.value : '';
		var password = fields.password ? fields.password.value : '';
		
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked, post_id);
		
		if (post_id) {
			Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].validateAuth(auth_choice, email, username, password);
		} else {
			Dsq.frames['reply_0'].validateAuth(auth_choice, email, username, password);
		}
	};

	this.lightboxUpdateEmail = function(post_id, new_email) {
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		fields.email.value = new_email;
	};

	this.lightboxAuthenticate = function(post_id, auth_choice, auth_data) {
		var title, body;
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';

		if(typeof(auth_data) == 'undefined') {
			var auth_data = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		}

		d = auth_data;

		switch(auth_choice) {
			case 'register':
				var suggestedUsername = d.name.value.replace(/[^a-zA-Z0-9-]/g,'').toLowerCase();
			
				title = Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post ? 'Optional:' : 'Required:';
				title += ' Register a <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-profile.png" alt=Disqus Profile" />';

				body = ' \
				<ul class="dsq-lightbox-register-reasons"> \
				<li>Verify your comments</li> \
				<li>Edit and delete comments</li> \
				<li>Manage comments and replies</li> \
				</ul> \
				';

				body += ' \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-fields"> \
					<table> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Email</td> \
							<td><input type="text" value="' + d.email.value + '" onchange="Dsq.Templates.lightboxUpdateEmail(' + post_id + ', this.value)" /><div id="dsq-email-errors' + pid + '"></div></td> \
						</tr> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Username</td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-username' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + suggestedUsername + '"/><div id="dsq-username-errors' + pid + '"></div></td> \
						</tr> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Password</td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-password' + pid + '" type="password" /><div id="dsq-password-errors' + pid + '"></div></td> \
						</tr> \
					</table> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-switch-auth"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(' + post_id + ',\'login\'); return false">Login instead</a></div> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-lightbox-errors' + pid + '" class="dsq-lightbox-errors"></div> \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-submit"> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-post"><button type="button" class="dsq-button" onclick="Dsq.Templates.validateAuth(this, ' + post_id + ',\'' + auth_choice + '\')">Register and Post comment</button></div>'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
						? '<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-skip"><button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onclick="Dsq.Templates.postComment(' + post_id + ', this, true)">Just post as a Guest</button></div>'
						: '')
				+ '</div> \
				';
				break;
			case 'login':
				title = Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post ? 'Optional:' : 'Required:';
				title += ' Login to your <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-profile.png" alt=Disqus Profile" />';
				body = '';
				
				if(d.avatar_url) {
					body += '<div class="dsq-lightbox-recognized"><table><tr>';
					body += '<td><img src="' + d.avatar_url + '" alt="" /></td>';
					body += '<td><span class="dsq-badge ' + (d.verified ? 'dsq-badge-verified' : 'dsq-badge-registered') + '">' + (d.verified ? 'Verified' : 'Registered') + '</span></td>';
					body += '<td>Hey <strong>' + d.display_name + '</strong>, is that you? Login below to claim this comment.';
					body += '</tr></table></div>';
				}

				body += ' \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-fields"> \
					<table> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Username or Email</td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-username' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (d.avatar_url ? d.username : '') + '" /></td> \
						</tr> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Password <a href="http://disqus.com/forgot" target="_blank">(cannot log in?)</a></td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-password' + pid + '" type="password" /></td> \
						</tr> \
					</table> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-switch-auth"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(' + post_id + ',\'register\'); return false">Register instead</a></div> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-lightbox-errors' + pid + '" class="dsq-lightbox-errors"></div> \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-submit"> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-post"><button type="button" class="dsq-button" onclick="Dsq.Templates.validateAuth(this, ' + post_id + ',\'' + auth_choice + '\')">Login and Post comment</button></div>'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
						? '<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-skip"><button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onclick="Dsq.Templates.postComment(' + post_id + ', this, true)">Just post as a Guest</button></div>'
						: '')
				+ '</div> \
				';
				break;
			default:
				break;
		}
		Dsq.Popup.lightbox(body, title, post_id);
		Dsq.$('dsq-field-username' + pid).focus();
	};
	
	this.buttonsToRestore = [];
	this.setLoadingButton = function(btn, post_id) {
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		if (btn) {

			var loadingBtn = document.createElement('button');
			loadingBtn.id = btn.id + '-loading';
			loadingBtn.innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-lite.gif" alt="" /> ' + Dsq.Strings.JUST_A_MOMENT;
			loadingBtn.className = btn.className + ' dsq-post-loading';
			btn.parentNode.appendChild(loadingBtn);
			btn.style.display = 'none';
			var cancelBtn = Dsq.$('dsq-cancel-button' + pid);
			if(cancelBtn) { cancelBtn.style.display = 'none'; this.buttonsToRestore.push(cancelBtn); }
			this.buttonsToRestore.push(btn);
		} else {

			var buttons = this.buttonsToRestore;
			for(var i = 0; i < buttons.length; i++) {
				buttons[i].style.display = 'inline';
				Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(Dsq.$(buttons[i].id + '-loading'));
			}
		}
		
	};

	this.postComment = function(post_id, el_clicked, force, auth_choice) {
		var append_id = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);

		if (Dsq.Templates.validateFields(post_id)) {

			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated && !force &&
				((!Dsq.Utils.readCookie('skipped_auth') && !disqus_skip_auth && !Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled) || !Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post)) {
				Dsq.Templates.checkExistingUser(post_id);
				return false;
			}
			var params = [];
			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
				params.push(fields.name.value,
					fields.email.value,
					fields.website.value);

				if (auth_choice == 'login' || auth_choice == 'register') {
					params.push({
						auth_choice: auth_choice,
						username: fields.username.value,
						password: fields.password.value,
						email: fields.email.value
					});
				} else {
					params.push(null);
				}

				params.push(null /* sharing options */, Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-on-post' + append_id).value);
			} else {
				var service_checked = function(name) {
					var el = Dsq.$('dsq-sharing-' + name + append_id);
					return (el !== null && el.checked === true) ? '1' : '0';
				};
				params.push(null, null, null, null, {
					tw: service_checked('twitter'),
					fb: service_checked('facebook'),
					tr: service_checked('tumblr'),
					wp: service_checked('wordpress'),
					mt: service_checked('movabletype'),
					tp: service_checked('typepad'),
					yh: service_checked('yahoo')
				});
			}

			var frame = Dsq.frames['reply_' + (post_id ? post_id : 0)];
			frame.post.apply(frame, params);

			if (el_clicked) {
				Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked, post_id);
			}
			
			if (force) {
				Dsq.Utils.createCookie('skipped_auth', true);	
			}
			
		} else {
			return false;
		}
	};

	this.editComment = function(el_clicked, post_id) {
		var edited_message = Dsq.$('dsq-edit-textarea-' + post_id).value;

		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked, post_id);
		Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id].edit(post_id, edited_message);
	};

	this.toggleEdit = function(post_id) {
		var body = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-body-' + post_id);
		var message = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + post_id);

		if (!Dsq.Post.stateEditToggled[post_id]) {


			message.style.display = 'none';
			if (Dsq.$('dsq-edit-' + post_id)) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-edit-' + post_id).style.display = 'block';
			} else {

				var edit_area = document.createElement('div');
				edit_area.id = 'dsq-edit-' + post_id;
				edit_area.className = 'dsq-edit dsq-textarea';
				edit_area.innerHTML = ' \
				<div class="dsq-textarea-wrapper"> \
					<textarea class="dsq-edit-textarea" id="dsq-edit-textarea-' + post_id + '">' + message.innerHTML + '</textarea> \
				</div> \
				<div class="dsq-save-edit"> \
					<button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Templates.editComment(this, ' + post_id + ')" class="dsq-button-small">Save Edit</button> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-edit-iframe-' + post_id + '" style="display: none"></div> \
				';

				body.appendChild(edit_area);

				if (!Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id]) {
					var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
					Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id] = new Dsq.ReplyFrame(Dsq.$('dsq-edit-iframe-' + post_id), post_id);
					Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id].init();
					Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id].setState(post_id, _meta.depth);
				}
			}
		} else {

			message.style.display = 'block';
			Dsq.$('dsq-edit-' + post_id).style.display = 'none';
		}
		
		Dsq.Post.stateEditToggled[post_id] = !Dsq.Post.stateEditToggled[post_id];
	};
	
	this.edit = function(el, post_id) {

		Dsq.Templates.toggleEdit(post_id);
	};

	this.toggleReply = function(post_id, button) {
		
		if(!this.stateReplyToggled[post_id]) {

			if (Dsq.$('dsq-reply-post-' + post_id)) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).style.display = 'block';
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.postBox(post_id);
				var container = Dsq.$('dsq-textarea-wrapper-' + post_id);
				if (!Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id] && container) {
					var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id] = new Dsq.ReplyFrame(container, post_id);
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].init(function() {

						Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.postBox(post_id, true);
						Dsq.$('dsq-form-area-' + post_id).innerHTML = '';

						var theme = (typeof disqus_frame_theme == 'undefined') ? 'default' : disqus_frame_theme;
						Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(Dsq.$('dsq-form-area-' + post_id), post_id, {theme: theme});

					});
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].setState(post_id, _meta.depth);
				}
			}
			Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).className = 'dsq-append-post';
			Dsq.$('dsq-comment-footer-reply-' + post_id).className = 'dsq-comment-footer-reply-active';
			
		} else {

			Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).style.display = 'none';
			Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).className = '';
			Dsq.$('dsq-comment-footer-reply-' + post_id).className = 'dsq-comment-footer-reply';
		}
		
		this.stateReplyToggled[post_id] = !this.stateReplyToggled[post_id];

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie && this.stateReplyToggled[post_id]) {

		}

		Dsq.Events.fire(Dsq.Events.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED, {
			postId: post_id,
			opened: this.stateReplyToggled[post_id]
		});
	};
	
	this.moderateOptions = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		
		if(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator && !Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator) { return false; }

		var html;
		
		html = ' \
		<div class="dsq-moderate-options"> \
		<table>'
		+ (_meta.email ? '<tr><td>Email</td><td>' + _meta.email + '</td></tr>' : '')
		+ (_meta.ip ? '<tr><td>IP address</td><td>' + _meta.ip + '</td></tr>' : '')
		+ '<tr> \
			<td>Actions</td> \
			<td><ul>'
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.moderator_can_edit
				? '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false;">Edit Comment</a></li>'
				: '')
			+ '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.removePost(' + post_id + ', 1); Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false;">Delete Comment</a></li> \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.reportSpam(' + post_id + '); Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false;">Mark Spam</a></li> \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.blacklist(' + post_id + '); return false">Block User</a></li> \
			</ul></td> \
			</table> \
		</div> \
		';
		
		html += '<p>Go to the full <a href="http://disqus.com/comments/moderate/" target="_blank">moderate panel</a> for more options.</p>';
		
		return Dsq.Popup.popModal(html, 'Moderate Options', post_id);
	};
	
	this.placeholder = {
		'class': 'dsq-placeholder',
		'name': Dsq.Strings.NAME,
		'email': Dsq.Strings.EMAIL,
		'website': Dsq.Strings.WEBSITE + ' (' + Dsq.Strings.OPTIONAL.toLowerCase() + ')'
	};
	
	this.handlePlaceholder = function(evt, el, key) {
		var placeholder = Dsq.Templates.placeholder[key];
		var className = Dsq.Templates.placeholder['class'];
		
		switch(evt.type) {
			case 'focus':
				if(el.value == placeholder) {
					el.value = '';
					el.className = '';
				}
				break;

			case 'blur':
				if(el.value == '') {
					el.value = placeholder;
					el.className = className;
				}
				break;
			default:
				break;
		}
	};
	
	this.paginate = function(page, el_clicked) {

		var extra_params = '';

		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined') {
			extra_params += '&per_page=' + disqus_per_page;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_sort != 'undefined') {
			extra_params += '&sort=' + disqus_sort;
		}

		Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML += '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
		
		if(el_clicked) {
			Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked);
		}
		
		Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'the_role_of_anti_marketing_design'
			+ '&p='		+ page
			+ extra_params);
	};
	
	
	this.rate = function(el, id, vote) {


		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_votes) {
			if(vote == 1) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-like-' + id).innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
			}
			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/vote.js'
				+ '?post_id='    + id
				+ '&vote='        + vote);
		} else {
			Dsq.Popup.login('To rate, please log in');
		}
	};

	this.voted = function(post_id, points, vote) {

		Dsq.$('dsq-like-pts-' + post_id).innerHTML = points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this.';

		if(vote) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-like-' + post_id).innerHTML = 'You liked this.&nbsp;&nbsp;';
		}
	};




	this.postComment_onSuccess = function(response, parent_post_id, post_id) {
		var approved = response.message.post_meta.approved;

		if (parent_post_id) {
			Dsq.Post.toggleReply(parent_post_id);
		}

		Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);
		
		if (approved) {
			Dsq.Post.incrementPostCount();
			Dsq.Post.outlineComment(post_id);
		} else {			
			var unapproved_msg = 'Thanks for posting!\
	 Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.\
			';
			Dsq.Popup.popModal(unapproved_msg, 'Comment awaiting approval', post_id);
		}

		var sharing_results = response.message.sharing_results;
		var sharing_errors = '';
		for (var service in sharing_results) {
			if (sharing_results.hasOwnProperty(service) === true) {
				if (sharing_results[service].error === true) {
					sharing_errors += service + ', ';
				}
			}
		}

		if (sharing_results.facebook && sharing_results.facebook.callback) {
			FB.ensureInit(function() {
				FB.Connect.streamPublish('', sharing_results.facebook.attachment);
			});
		}

		if (sharing_errors !== '') {
			var message = 'Your comment was posted, but there were errors sharing with the following connections: ';
			message += sharing_errors.replace(/,\s$/, '');
			message += '<p><a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/connections" target="_blank">Configure your connections here</a></p>'
			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, 'Sharing options');
		}

		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};

	this.postComment_onFailure = function(response, parent_post_id, post_id) {

		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};
};




// TODO: It might be faster to use string methods to find all <li (...) </li> blocks and pass to Dsq.PostHandler manually.
Dsq.CommentsHandler = function(str, head, post_id, content, tail, offset, s) {
	var prepend_post = Dsq.Templates.prependPost(post_id);
	var append_post = Dsq.Templates.appendPost(post_id);

	content = content.replace(Dsq.POST_RE, Dsq.PostHandler);
	Dsq.Templates.postLoopCounter++;
	head = Dsq.Templates.Filters.commentContainer(post_id, head);
	return prepend_post + head + content + tail + append_post;
};

Dsq.PostHandler = function(str, h_head, post_id, h_content, h_tail, b_head, b_content, b_tail, offset, s) {
	var prepend_header = Dsq.Templates.postPrependHeader(post_id);
	var append_header = Dsq.Templates.postAppendHeader(post_id);
	var prepend_body = Dsq.Templates.preBody(post_id);
	var append_body = Dsq.Templates.postBody(post_id);
	var append_footer = Dsq.Templates.postFooter(post_id);

	b_content = b_content.replace(Dsq.POST_BODY_RE, Dsq.PostBodyHandler);
	return h_head + prepend_header + h_content + append_header + h_tail + b_head + prepend_body + b_content + append_body + b_tail + append_footer;
};

Dsq.PostBodyHandler = function(str, head, post_id, content, tail, offset, s) {
	content = Dsq.Templates.Filters.commentContent(post_id, content);
	return head + content + tail;
};

Dsq.MediaPostHandler = function(str, args, offset, s) {
	args = args.split(' ');
	if(args[0] == 'seesmic') {
		return '<br />' + Dsq.Templates.mediaSeesmic(args[1], args[2]);
	}
	return '';
};


/**
 * Shorcuts
 */
Dsq.$ = function(element) { return document.getElementById(element); };
Dsq.$b = document.body || document.getElementsByTagName('body')[0];


/**
 * Dsq.Debug: Logging functions.
 */

Dsq.Debug = new function() {this.log=function(s){};this.profile=function(f){if(typeof f == 'function')return f();else return eval(f);};};


/**
 * Dsq.Urls: URL paths
 */
Dsq.Urls = new function() {
	this.LOGIN = '/profile/login/';
	this.LOGOUT = '/logout/';
	this.REPLY = 'http://scobleizer.disqus.com/the_role_of_anti_marketing_design/reply.html';
	this.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE = '/AnonymousUser/';
	this.REQUEST_USER_AVATAR = 'http://media.disqus.com/images/noavatar92.png';
};
// Dsq.Urls

/**
 * Dsq.Validators: Validation for form fields
 */
Dsq.Validators = new function() {
	this.VALID_EMAIL_RE = /^[a-z0-9\-\_\+]+(\.[a-z0-9\-\_\+]+)*\@(([a-z0-9\-\_\+]+(\.[a-z0-9\-\_\+]+)*)+\.[a-z]{2,}|([0-9]+\.){3}[0-9]+)$/i;
	this.name = function(name) {
		var error = false;

		if(typeof Dsq.Templates.placeholder !== 'undefined' &&
		   name == Dsq.Templates.placeholder.name) {
			error = true;
		}
		if(name.length <= 1) {
			error = true;
		}

		if(error) {
			return "Please enter a name to comment.";
		} else {
			return true;
		}
	};
	this.email = function(addr) {
		if(Dsq.Validators.VALID_EMAIL_RE.test(addr)) {
			return true;
		} else {
			return "Please enter a valid email to comment.";
		}
	};
	this.url = function(addr) {
		if(!addr || addr.indexOf('.') != -1) {
			return true;
		} else {
			return "Please check your website URL (this field is optional).";
		}
	};

	this.validate = function(bulk_validation, failure_callback) {
		failure_callback = failure_callback || function(e){ alert(e); };

		for(var i = 0; i < bulk_validation.length; i++) {
			v = bulk_validation[i];
			ret = v.validator(v.value);
			if(ret !== true) {
				failure_callback(ret);
				return false;
			}
		}
		return true;
	};
};

/**
 * Dsq.Utils: Generic utility functions.
 */
Dsq.Utils = new function() {
	this.ie = /msie/i.test(navigator.userAgent) && !/opera/i.test(navigator.userAgent);
	this.ie7 = (document.all && !window.opera && window.XMLHttpRequest) ? true : false;
	this.ie6 = (!window.XMLHttpRequest) ? true: false;
	this.webkit = navigator.userAgent.indexOf('AppleWebKit/') >= 0;
	this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache = {};
	this._styleSheet = null;

	this.gebiFromElement = function(el, id, tag) {
		// This only method only helps IE.
		if(!this.ie) {
			return Dsq.$(id);
		} else {
			var cacheKey = el.id + '-' + tag;
			tag = tag || 'div';
			if(typeof this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache[cacheKey] != 'undefined') {
				collection = this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache[cacheKey];
			} else {
				collection = el.getElementsByTagName(tag);
				this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache[cacheKey] = collection;
			}

			for(var i = 0; i < collection.length; i++) {
				if(collection[i].id == id) {
					return collection[i];
				}
			}
			return null;
		}
	};

	this.execOnReady = function(func) {
		var node = document.createElement('document:ready');
		try {
			node.doScroll('left');
			func();
			node = null;
		} catch(err) {
			setTimeout(function() { Dsq.Utils.execOnReady(func); }, 10);
		}
	};


	// Courtesy of http://www.quirksmode.org/js/cookies.html
	this.createCookie = function(name,value,days) {
		if (days) {
			var date = new Date();
			date.setTime(date.getTime()+(days*24*60*60*1000));
			var expires = "; expires="+date.toGMTString();
		}
		else var expires = "";
		document.cookie = name+"="+value+expires+"; path=/";
	};

	this.readCookie = function(name) {
		var nameEQ = name + "=";
		var ca = document.cookie.split(';');
		for(var i=0;i < ca.length;i++) {
			var c = ca[i];
			while (c.charAt(0)==' ') c = c.substring(1,c.length);
			if (c.indexOf(nameEQ) == 0) return c.substring(nameEQ.length,c.length);
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.eraseCookie = function(name) {
		Dsq.Utils.createCookie(name,"",-1);
	};

	this.deleteNode = function(node) {
		if(node) {
			this.deleteChildren(node);
			if(typeof node.outerHTML != 'undefined') { node.outerHTML = ''; }
			else if(node.parentNode) { node.parentNode.removeChild(node); }
			delete node;
		}
	};

	this.deleteChildren = function(node) {
		if(node) {
			for(var x = node.childNodes.length-1; x >= 0; x--) {
				var childNode = node.childNodes[x];
				if(childNode.hasChildNodes()) { this.deleteChildren(childNode); }
				if(typeof childNode.outerHTML != 'undefined') { childNode.outerHTML = ''; }
				else node.removeChild(childNode);
				delete childNode;
			}
		}
	};

	this.findPos = function(obj) {
		var curleft = 0;
		var curtop = 0;
		if (obj.offsetParent) {
			do {
				curleft += obj.offsetLeft;
				curtop += obj.offsetTop;
			} while (obj = obj.offsetParent);
		}
		return [curleft,curtop];
	};

	this.getWindowSize = function() {
		var windowWidth = -1;
		var windowHeight = -1;

		if(typeof(window.innerWidth) == 'number') { //Non-IE
			windowWidth = window.innerWidth;
			windowHeight = window.innerHeight;
		} else if(document.documentElement) { // IE 6+ in 'standards compliant mode'
			windowWidth = document.documentElement.clientWidth || document.body.clientWidth;
			windowHeight = document.documentElement.clientHeight || document.body.clientHeight;
		}

		return [windowWidth, windowHeight];
	}

	this.getScrollPos = function() {
		var scrollWidth, scrollTop;

		if(document.documentElement && (document.documentElement.scrollTop || document.documentElement.scrollWidth)) {
			scrollWidth = document.documentElement.scrollWidth;
			// IE is weird here.  If no doctype is provided, document.body.scrollTop is 0,
			// otherwise document.documentElement.scrollTop is 0.
			scrollTop = document.documentElement.scrollTop || document.body.scrollTop;
		} else if(document.body.scrollTop && document.body.scrollWidth) {
			scrollWidth = document.body.scrollWidth;
			scrollTop = document.body.scrollTop;
		}

		return [scrollWidth, scrollTop];
	}

	this.addEventListener = function(instance, eventName, listener) {
		var listenerFn = listener;
		if (instance.addEventListener) {
			instance.addEventListener(eventName, listenerFn, false);
		} else if (instance.attachEvent) {
			listenerFn = function() {
				listener(window.event);
			};
			instance.attachEvent("on" + eventName, listenerFn);
		} else {
			throw new Error("Event registration not supported");
		}
		return {
			instance: instance,
			name: eventName,
			listener: listenerFn
		};
	};

	this.removeEventListener = function(event) {
		var instance = event.instance;
		if (instance.removeEventListener) {
			instance.removeEventListener(event.name, event.listener, false);
		} else if (instance.detachEvent) {
			instance.detachEvent("on" + event.name, event.listener);
		}
	};

	this.fixIframesIE = function(id) {
		var disqusThread = Dsq.$(disqus_container_id);
		var iframes = disqusThread.getElementsByTagName('iframe');

		if(id) {
			var container = Dsq.$(id);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-content');
		}

		for(i = 0; i < iframes.length; i++) {
			if (container) {
				iframes[i].style.width = container.offsetWidth;
			}
		}
	};

	this.getElementsByClassName = function(oElm, strTagName, strClassName) {
	/* Credit: Jonathan Snook [http://www.snook.ca/jonathan], Robert Nyman [http://www.robertnyman.com] */
		var arrElements = (strTagName == "*" && oElm.all)? oElm.all : oElm.getElementsByTagName(strTagName);
		var arrReturnElements = new Array();
		strClassName = strClassName.replace(/\-/g, "\\-");
		var oRegExp = new RegExp("(^|\\s)" + strClassName + "(\\s|$)");
		var oElement;
		for(var i = 0; i < arrElements.length; i++) {
			oElement = arrElements[i];
			if(oRegExp.test(oElement.className)) {
				arrReturnElements.push(oElement);
			}
		}
		return (arrReturnElements);
	};

	this.postToUrl = function(url, post_data, opt_redirect) {
		var form = document.createElement('form');
		var iframe_container = document.createElement('div');
		var id = 'dsq-temp-iframe-' + (new Date()).getTime();

		form.method = 'POST';
		form.action = url;
		if (!opt_redirect) {
			form.target = id;
		}
		iframe_container.innerHTML = '<iframe style="display:none" name="' + id + '" id="' + id + '"></iframe>';

		for(var key in post_data) {
			if(post_data.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				var input = document.createElement('input');
				input.name = key;
				input.type = 'hidden';
				input.value = post_data[key];

				form.appendChild(input);
			}
		}

		Dsq.$b.appendChild(iframe_container);
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(form);
		form.submit();
	};

	// Strips integer id from id of element in the form ('some-id-###')
	this.extractId = function(e) {
		var chunks = e.id.split('-');
		if(chunks.length <= 1) {
			return 0;
		} else {
			var retval = parseInt(chunks[chunks.length-1]);
			return !isNaN(retval) ? retval : null;
		}
	};

	this.getStyle = function(el, styleProp) {
		if(el.currentStyle) {
			var y = el.currentStyle[styleProp];
		} else if(window.getComputedStyle) {
			var y = document.defaultView.getComputedStyle(el, null).getPropertyValue(styleProp);
		}

		if(y == 'transparent' || y == '') {
			this.getStyle(el.parentNode, styleProp);
		} else {
			return y;
		}
	};

	this.execScript = function(url, append_qs, container) {
		var script = document.createElement('script');
		append_qs = typeof append_qs == 'undefined' ? true : append_qs;
		container = container || Dsq.container;

		if(append_qs) {
			var j = (url.indexOf('?') >= 0) ? '&' : '?';
			url += j + (new Date()).getTime();
		}
		script.type = 'text/javascript';
		script.charset = 'UTF-8';
		script.src = url;
		container.appendChild(script);
		return script;
	};

	this.pluralize = function(num, singular, plural) {
		return (num != 1) ? plural || 's' : singular || '';
	};

	this.getRequestParams = function(queryString /* optional */) {
		var pairs, tuple;
		var params = {};

		queryString = queryString || window.location.search.substring(1);
		pairs = queryString.split('&');

		for (var i = 0, pair; pair = pairs[i]; i++) {
			tuple = pair.split('=');
			params[tuple[0]] = (tuple[1] || true);
		}

		return params;
	};

	this.addCssRule = function(selector, styleText, index) {
		var stylesheet;
		index = index || 0;

		if(!this._styleSheet) {
			var styleEl = document.createElement('style');
			document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(styleEl);
			this._styleSheet = styleEl.sheet;
			if(!this._styleSheet) {
				// IE does not like our newly created stylesheet.
				this._styleSheet = document.styleSheets[document.styleSheets.length-1];
			}
		}
		stylesheet = this._styleSheet;

		if(stylesheet.insertRule) {
			var ruleText = selector + ' { ' + styleText + ' }';
			if(index == -1) {
				index = stylesheet.cssRules.length;
			}
			stylesheet.insertRule(ruleText, index);
		} else if(stylesheet.addRule) {
			stylesheet.addRule(selector, styleText, index);
		}
	};

	this.forEachIn = function(obj, callback) {
		for(var key in obj) {
			if(obj.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				callback(key, obj[key]);
			}
		}
	};

	this._interpolateGlobalContext = {
		// values that get used a lot and are global to the request
		'profile_url': Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE,

		'disqus_url': Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url,
		'media_url': Dsq.jsonData.settings.media_url,
		'request_username': Dsq.jsonData.request.username,
		'request_display_username': Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username,
		'forum_name': Dsq.jsonData.forum.name
	};

	this.renderFromContextStack = function(key, contexts) {
		// Returns the first instance of `key` in the array of objects `contexts` or else ''
		for (var i=0; i<contexts.length; i++) {
			if (contexts[i][key] !== undefined) {
				return String(contexts[i][key]);
			}
		}
		throw new Error('key ' + key + ' not found in context');
	};

	var that = this;
	this.interpolate = function(fmt, opt_localContext) {
		// Interpolate `fmt` named-format string with an assumed global context.
		// Based on `interpolate` in django.views.i18n
		var contextStack = [opt_localContext || {}, that._interpolateGlobalContext];
		return fmt.replace(/%\(\w+\)s/g, function(match){
			return that.renderFromContextStack(match.slice(2,-2), contextStack);
		});
	};

	this.stripTags = function(s) {
		// Removes HTML tags from `s`
		return s.replace(/(<([^>]+)>)/g,"");

	};

	this.assert = function(b) {
		if (!b) {
			throw new Error('Assertion error.');
		}
	};

};
// Dsq.Utils

/**
 * Dsq.Popup: Popup helper functions.
 */
Dsq.Popup = new function() {
	this.timeHide = new Array();
	this.timeShow = new Array();
	this.activePopup = {};
	this.profileCache = {};
	this.statusCache = {};

	this.showTimer = function(post_id) {
		// clear the hide timer
		clearTimeout(this.timeHide[post_id]);

		// start the timer
		if(!Dsq.Popup.profileIsOn && !Dsq.Thread.adminIsOn) {
			this.timeShow[post_id] = setTimeout("Dsq.Popup.popProfile(\"" + post_id + "\")", 400);
		}
	};

	this.hideTimer = function(post_id) {
		// clear the show timer
		clearTimeout(this.timeShow[post_id]);
	};

	this.updateProfile = function(username) {
		// Callback from /embed/profile.js
		if (this.statusCache[username]) {
			var statusEl = Dsq.$('dsq-profile-status-' + username);
			statusEl.innerHTML = this.statusCache[username];
			statusEl.style.display = 'block';
		}

		if (this.profileCache[username]) {
			var _cache = this.profileCache[username];

			var _genhtml = function(text) { return '<span><big>' + text + '</big></span>'; };
			var _no_comments = _genhtml(Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_COMMENTS(_cache.comments_count));
			var _no_likes = _genhtml(Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_LIKES(_cache.likes_count));
			var _no_points = _genhtml(Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_POINTS(_cache.points));

			var statsEl = Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-user-stats-' + username);
			statsEl.innerHTML = '';

			if (Dsq.jsonData.users[username].registered) {
				statsEl.innerHTML = _no_comments + _no_likes;
			}
			statsEl.innerHTML += _no_points;

			var activeSites = '';
			for (var i = 0; i < _cache.active_sites.length; i++) {
				var site = _cache.active_sites[i];
				activeSites += '<li><a href="' + site.url + '"> \
					<img src="' + site.favicon + '"/ width="16" height="16"/></a>\
					<a href="' + site.url + '">' + site.name + '</a></li>';
			}
			if (activeSites !== '') {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + username).innerHTML = activeSites;
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + username).innerHTML = 'This site.';
			}

			var moderatedSites = '';
			for (var i = 0; i < _cache.moderated_sites.length; i++) {
				var site = _cache.moderated_sites[i];
				moderatedSites += '<li><a href="' + site.url + '"> \
					<img src="' + site.favicon + '"/ width="16" height="16"/></a>\
					<a href="' + site.url + '">' + site.name + '</a></li>';
			}
			if (moderatedSites !== '') {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-moderated-' + username).innerHTML = moderatedSites;
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-moderated-wrapper-' + username).innerHTML = '';
			}
		}

		// Reposition popup after full HTML is rendered
		if(Dsq.Popup.activePopup && Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el) {
			Dsq.Popup.initPopup(Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el, Dsq.Popup.activePopup.id, Dsq.Popup.activePopup.type);
		}

	};

	this.showCookieMsgs = function() {
		var title = '';
		var message = '';
		var numAlerts = 0;

		Dsq.Utils.forEachIn(Dsq.jsonData.cookie_messages, function(k, v) {
			if (!v) return;

			switch(k) {
				// Cookie: Twitter
				case 'post_twitter':
					if (v === 'error') {
						title = 'Twitter Error!';
						message += '<li id="dsq-msg-twitter-error">Oops, we couldn\'t tweet this comment. Please check your <a href="http://disqus.com/account/services">account settings</a>.</li>';
					} else {
						var _msg = v.split(':');
						title = 'Tweeted!';
						message += '<li id="dsq-msg-twitter-success">Your comment was successfully tweeted. <a href="http://twitter.com/' + _msg[0] + '/status/' + _msg[1] + '">Click here to view the tweet</a>.</li>';
					}
					break;
				// Cookie: Unapproved Post
				case 'post_not_approved':
					title = 'Comment awaiting approval by a moderator';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-post-not-approved">Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.</li>';
					break;
				// Cookie: Profile Found
				case 'post_has_profile':
					title = 'Use your existing commenter profile';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-post-has-profile">You have just posted your commment as a <span class="dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span>, but you may already have a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile.<br /><br /><a href="http://disqus.com/claim">Log in and claim this comment!</a></li>';
					break;
				case 'user_created':
					var _data = v.split(':');
					title = 'Profile created!';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-user-created">You have just created a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile, the best way to claim, manage, and track your comments all over the web. \
					<br /><br />A confirmation is being sent to <strong>' + _data[1] + '</strong>. Please check for this email in order to verify your profile. \
					<ul class="dsq-list-tick"> \
						<li>Your username is <strong>' + _data[0] +'</strong>. <a href="http://disqus.com/people/' + _data[0] + '/" target="_blank">Click here to view your public profile</a>.</li> \
						<li>Be sure to set your profile picture, as well as connect your <span class="dsq-badge-facebook">Facebook</span> and <span class="dsq-badge-twitter">Twitter</span> accounts. <a href="http://disqus.com/account/" target="_blank">Click here for account settings</a>.</li> \
					</ul> \
					</li>'
					break;
				default:
					break;
			}
			numAlerts++;
		});

		if(numAlerts > 1) {
			message = '<ul class="dsq-list-bluebullet">' + message;
			message += '</ul>';
			title = 'Thanks for posting!';
		}
		if(numAlerts > 0) {
			if(typeof(disqus_cookie_msgs) == 'function') {
				disqus_cookie_msgs(message, title);
			} else {
				Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
			}
		}
	};

	this.helpBadges = function(post_id) {
		var html = ' \
			<ul class="dsq-popup-help"> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span> has a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile with a confirmed email address.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span> has a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile, but has not yet confirmed his or her email address.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span> is not logged in with any account and has not claimed his or her comments.</li> \
				<li class="dsq-help-otheraccts">Other accounts</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-facebook">Facebook</span> is using his or her Facebook profile via Facebook Connect.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-twitter">Twitter</span> is using his or her Twitter profile via Twitter Sign-in.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-openid">OpenID</span> is using his or her OpenID.</li> \
			</ul> \
		';

		this.popModal(html, 'Help: Types of Commenters', post_id);
		return;
	};

	this.permalink = function(post_id) {
		var header = 'Link to this comment';
		var body = '<strong>You are anchored to</strong>:<br />' + document.location.protocol + '//' + document.location.host + document.location.pathname + document.location.search + '#comment-' + post_id;

		this.popModal(body, header, post_id);
	};

	this.login = function(header, body) {
		var h = header || 'Login or Register';
		var b = body || '';
		b += Dsq.Templates.frameLogin({id: 'dsq-popup-login'});
		b += '</iframe>'; // HACK: Sometimes there is something funky with the IFRAME SRC that causes no end tag
		this.popModal(b, h, null, true, 'dsq-popup-login');
	};

	this.blacklist = function(id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		var title = 'Add to Blacklist';
		var message = ' \
		Adding this person to the blacklist will block him or her from commenting on this site. Check the following types that you would like to add to the blacklist:'
		+ (userData['registered'] ?
			'<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
				<input id="dsq-blacklist-username" type="checkbox" checked> \
				<label for="dsq-blacklist-username"><strong>Username</strong>: ' + userData['username'] + '</label> \
			</div>'
			: '')
		+ (_meta.email ?
			'<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
				<input id="dsq-blacklist-email" type="checkbox" checked> \
				<label for="dsq-blacklist-email"><strong>Email address</strong>: ' + _meta.email + '</label> \
			</div>'
			: '')
		+ '<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
			<input id="dsq-blacklist-ip" type="checkbox" onclick="Dsq.$(\'dsq-blacklist-ip-warning\').style.display=\'block\'"> \
			<label for="dsq-blacklist-ip"><strong>IP address</strong>: ' + _meta.ip + '</label> \
		</div> \
		';

		message += ' \
			<p id="dsq-blacklist-ip-warning" style="display:none">	\
				Note: Blocking this person\'s IP address may also unintentionally prevent others, who share his/her IP address, from commenting on this site. \
				This may include people who are sharing the same computer, living in the same house, or using the same Internet provider. Only block an IP address as a last resort. \
			</p> \
		';

		message += ' \
			<p style="text-align:center"><button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Post.blockUser(' + id + '); this.disabled=true; this.innerHTML=\'Just one moment...\'">Add to Blacklist</button></p> \
		';

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
	};

	this.remoteAccountSettings = function() {
		var body = '';
		// Set up IFrame.
		var params = {};
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/_auth/embed/remote_settings/';
		var attributes = {id: 'dsq-popup-account-settings'};
		if (typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}

		body = Dsq.Templates._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
		this.popModal(body, 'Account Settings', null, true, 'dsq-popup-account-settings');
	};

	this.popModal = function(message, title, post_id, use_listener, extra_classes) {
		var container = document.createElement('div');
		var header, body;

		Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);

		if(typeof(title) == 'undefined') { title = ''; }
		if(typeof(use_listener) == 'undefined') { use_listener = true; }

		if(post_id) {
			container.id = 'dsq-popup-message-' + post_id;
		} else {
			container.id = 'dsq-popup-message';
		}

		header = title;
		body = message;

		container.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.popupModal(header, body);
		Dsq.Popup.initPopup(container, post_id, 'message', extra_classes);
		if(use_listener) {
			Dsq.Popup.popupListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', Dsq.Popup._closePopup);
		}
	};

	this.popAlert = this.popModal;

	this.loading = function(post_id) {
		var title = Dsq.Strings.JUST_A_MOMENT;
		var body = '<div style="text-align:center; padding: 5px 0 10px 0"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading.gif" alt="" /></div>'
		Dsq.Popup.lightbox(body, title, post_id);
	};

	this.lightbox = function(message, title, post_id) {
		// Wraps Dsq.Popup.popModal

		var overlay = document.createElement('div');
		overlay.id = 'dsq-overlay';
		overlay.className = 'dsq-overlay';
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(overlay);
		
		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title, post_id, false, 'dsq-lightbox');
	};

	this.popProfile = function(post_id, userKey) {
		var post = Dsq.jsonData['posts'][post_id];
		if (post && post.has_been_anonymized) {
			Dsq.Popup.popModal('This message was anonymized by its previous owner.', 'Anonymized', post_id);
			return;
		}

		if(post_id) {
			userKey = Dsq.jsonData['posts'][post_id].user_key;	
		}
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][userKey];
		var elId = 'dsq-popup-profile-' + userKey;
		var container = document.createElement('div');

		if(this.activePopup.el) {
			this._closePopup(null, true);
			if(this.activePopup.linkClicked) {
				this.activePopup.linkClicked = false;
				return;
			}
		}

		container.id = elId;
		container.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.popupProfile(userKey);

		this.initPopup(container, post_id, 'profile');
		this.popupListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', this._closePopup);

		if(!this.profileCache[userKey]) {
			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/embed/profile.js'
				+ '?username=' + userKey
				+ '&anon=' + (userData['registered'] ? 0 : 1)
				+ '&f=' + Dsq.jsonData['request'].forum);
		} else {
			this.updateProfile(userKey);
		}
	};

	this._closePopup = function(e, force) {
		var activePopup = Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el;
		var id = Dsq.Popup.activePopup.id;
		var link = 'dsq-avatar-' + id; // HACK: Specific to profile toggle target

		// HACK: This event should be gone if there is no active popup.
		if(!activePopup) {
			return;
		}
		if(force || !Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, activePopup.id)) {
			// TODO: This is breaking iE?
			if(Dsq.Popup.popupListener) {
				Dsq.Utils.removeEventListener(Dsq.Popup.popupListener);
			}
			
			// Kill overlay
			var overlay = Dsq.$('dsq-overlay');
			if(overlay) { Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(overlay); }
			
			try {
				Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(activePopup);
			} catch(e) {
				// HACK: IE6 throws an error when using deleteNode() with a node containing a <table> in the html.
				activePopup.parentNode.removeChild(activePopup);
			}
			Dsq.Popup.activePopup = {};
		}

		if(!force && Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, link)) {
 			Dsq.Popup.activePopup.linkClicked = true;
		}

	};

	this.initPopup = function(popup, post_id, type, extra_classes) {
		popup.className = 'dsq-popup dsq-popup-' + type + ' ' + (extra_classes ? extra_classes : '');
		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6 || Dsq.Utils.ie7) {
			// HACK: We can't modify the body before it's ready, so we need
			//       to use an IE-safe "DOMReady" workaround before loading
			//       our popup.
			Dsq.Utils.execOnReady(function() {Dsq.$b.appendChild(popup); });
		} else {
			Dsq.$b.appendChild(popup);
		}

		popup.style.display = 'block';

		var xPos = (Dsq.Utils.getWindowSize()[0] - popup.offsetWidth) / 2;
		var yPos = (Dsq.Utils.getWindowSize()[1] - popup.offsetHeight) / 2;

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) {
			yPos += Dsq.Utils.getScrollPos()[1];
		}

		popup.style.left = xPos + 'px';
		popup.style.top = yPos + 'px';

		Dsq.Popup.activePopup = {
			'el' : popup,
			'id' : post_id,
			'type': type,
			'linkClicked' : false
		};
	};

	this.isClicked = function(e, id) {
		var t = e.target || e.srcElement;
		while(t && t.parentNode) {
			if(t.id == id) {
				return true;
			}

			t = t.parentNode;
		}
		return false;
	};
};
// Dsq.Popup

/**
 * Dsq.Templates
 */
Dsq.Templates = new function() {
	/*
	 * Counter keeping track of the number of posts iterated over.
	 */
	this.postLoopCounter = 0;
	this.filters = {};
	this.addPostContainer = 'dsq-post-add';
	this.textareaContainer = 'dsq-post-add';

	this.registerTemplate = function(name, func) {
		this['$$_' + name] = func;

		if(typeof DsqLocal.Filters != 'undefined'
		&& typeof DsqLocal.Filters[name] == 'function') {
			// Push filters to this.filters to unify code.
			this.filters[name] = this.filters[name] || [];
			this.filters[name].push(DsqLocal.Filters[name]);
		}

		this[name] = function() {
			var ret;

			if(typeof DsqLocal.Templates != 'undefined'
			&& typeof DsqLocal.Templates[name] == 'function') {
				ret = DsqLocal.Templates[name].apply(this, arguments);
			}

			if(ret === undefined) {
				ret = this['$$_' + name].apply(this, arguments);
			}

			if(this.filters[name]) {
				var args = [ret];

				args.push.apply(args, arguments);
				for(var i = 0; i < this.filters[name].length; i++) {
					ret = this.filters[name][i].apply(this, args);
				}
			}

			return ret;
		};
	};

	this.registerFilter = function(name, func) {
		this.filters[name] = this.filters[name] || [];
		this.filters[name].push(func);
	};

	/**
	 * Dsq.Templates.Filters
	 */
	this.Filters = new function() {
		this.commentContainer = function(post_id, s) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			var classes = [];
			if(Dsq.jsonData.request.page > 1) {
				classes.push('dsq-append');
			}

			//
			// Extra classes used for custom themes
			//

			if(_meta.depth) {
				classes.push('dsq-comment-child', 'dsq-depth-' + _meta.depth, 'dsq-parent-is-' + _meta.parent_post_id);
			}


			//

			if(_meta.author_is_creator) {
				// TODO: We need to deprecate the "special" class since it is not properly prefixed.
				classes.push('special', 'dsq-special');
			}
			if(_meta.author_is_moderator) {
				classes.push('dsq-moderator');
			}
			classes.push(['dsq-odd', 'dsq-even'][Dsq.Templates.postLoopCounter % 2]);

			s = s.substring(0, s.lastIndexOf('>'));
			return s + ' class="dsq-comment ' + classes.join(' ') + '" style="margin-left:' + _meta.depth*30 + 'px">';
		};

		this.commentContent = function(post_id, s) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			if (_meta.killed) {
				return '<em>Comment removed.</em>';
			} else if (!_meta.approved) {
				return '<em>This comment was flagged for review.</em>';
			}

			s = s.replace(Dsq.MEDIA_POST_RE, Dsq.MediaPostHandler);
			return s;
		};
	};

	//
	// Thread
	//
	// TODO: These need to be stripped of all Django template tags.

	this.authPost = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.context.show_reply) {
			return '';
		}
		var result = [];
		result = result.concat([
				'<div id="dsq-auth"',
						Dsq.jsonData.integration.reply_position ? 'class="dsq-auth-bottom"' : '',
						'>',
					'<div class="dsq-by">',
						'<a href="http://disqus.com" target="_blank">',
							(Dsq.jsonData.integration.disqus_logo ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img src="%(media_url)s/images/embed/by-disqus.png" alt="discussion by DISQUS">') :
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img src="%(media_url)s/images/embed/dsq-button-120x19.png" alt="discussion by DISQUS">')
							),
						'</a>',
					'</div>',
					'<div class="dsq-auth-header">',
						'<h3 id="dsq-add-new-comment" class="dsq-h3-addcomment">',
								Dsq.Strings.ADD_NEW_COMMENT,
						'</h3>',
						'<div id="dsq-login">',
						(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated && Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
								? '<p class="dsq-login-message" id="dsq-login-message">You are commenting as a <a class="dsq-help" title="Click for more information" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Guest</a>. You may select one to log into:</p>'
								: '')
		]);
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
			result = result.concat([
							Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
								'<a id="dsq-login-toggle" href="%(disqus_url)s%(login_url)s?next=article:%(thread_id)s" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false"><img class="dsq-login-icon" src="%(media_url)s/images/dsq-profile-btn.png" title="%(log_into)s" alt="%(log_into)s"/></a>',
								{login_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGIN, thread_id: Dsq.jsonData.thread.id, log_into: Dsq.Strings.LOG_INTO_DISQUS}
								),
							'&nbsp; ',
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ?
								'<div id="dsq-fbc-login" onlogin="DisqusFbcParentController.onLogin()" size="medium" background="light" length="short" style="display:inline; margin-right:7px"></div>' :
								''
							),
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
									'<div id="dsq-twitter-login" class="dsq-twitter-login" onclick="Dsq.Twitter.startTwitterConnect();" style="display:inline; cursor: pointer"><img src="%(media_url)s/images/twitter-signin-short.png" style="margin-right:7px" /></div>', {}) : ''),
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
									'<div id="dsq-openid-login" class="dsq-openid-login" onclick="Dsq.OpenID.requestURL();" style="display:inline; cursor:pointer;"><img src="%(media_url)s/images/openid-login-button.png"/></div>', {}
								) : '')
			]);
		}
		result = result.concat([
						'</div>', // dsq-login
					'</div>', // dsq-auth-header
					'<div id="dsq-authenticated" class="dsq-authenticated" ',
						Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated ? 'style="display:block"' : '',
						'>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-pic">',
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">' +
																			'<img class="dsq-post-avatar" src="%(avatar_url)s" alt="" /></a>',
																			{avatar_url: Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_AVATAR,
																			url: (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
																					 ? Dsq.jsonData.request.url
																					 : Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE) }),
						'</div>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-info">',
							'<ul>',
								'<li>',
									(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(
												Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">%(request_display_username)s</a>', {url:Dsq.jsonData.request.url})
										  )
										: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(
												Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(profile_url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">%(request_display_username)s</a>')
											)
									),
								'</li>',
								'<li class="logout">',
									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img class="dsq-login-icon" src="%(media_url)s/images/dsqicon12.png" alt="%(logged_in_as)s"/>&nbsp',
											{logged_in_as: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username)})
										: ''),

									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="%(logout_from_disqus)s">',
											{logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN, logout_from_disqus: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGOUT_FROM('DISQUS')})
										: ((Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == 'twitter')
												? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('using Twitter (<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="Logout">Logout</a>)',
												 {logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN})
												: ((Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == 'openid')
													 ? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('using OpenID (<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="Logout">Logout</a>)',
													 {logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN})
													 : ''
													)
											)
									),

									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote ? Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGOUT_FROM('<span class="logo-disqus">DISQUS</span>') : ''),
									'</a>',
								'</li>',
							'</ul>',
						'</div>',
					'</div>'
		]);
		if (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect) {
			result = result.concat([
					'<div id="dsq-fbc-authenticated" class="dsq-authenticated">',
						'<div id="dsq-fbc-profilepic" class="dsq-authenticated-pic" uid="loggedinuser" type="FB.XFBML.ProfilePic" size="square" facebook-logo="true"></div>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-info">',
							'<ul>',
								'<li>',
									'Logged in as <span id="dsq-fbc-name" uid="loggedinuser" type="FB.XFBML.Name" linked="true" useyou="false"></span>',
								'</li>',
								'<li class="logout">using Facebook Connect <a href="#" onclick="javascript:DisqusFbcParentController.logout();return false;">(Logout)</a></li>',
							'</ul>',
						'</div>',
					'</div>'
			]);
		}
		result = result.concat([
				'</div>', // dsq-auth
				'<div id="dsq-toolbar-items">',
				'</div>'
		]);
		result = result.concat([
					//
					//
					//
				((!Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post && !Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) ?
					// Needs to be translated:
					('<p id="dsq-no-anon-msg">Required: Please log into <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> ' +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ? 'or connect with Facebook ' : '') +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ? 'or sign in with Twitter ' : '') +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ? 'or sign in using OpenID ' : '') +
					Dsq.Utils.interpolate('to comment on <strong>%(forum_name)s</strong>.</p>')) :
					''
				),
				'<div id="dsq-post-add"></div>',
				'<div style="margin:10px 0">',
				((Dsq.jsonData.forum.use_media) ?
						'<a href="#" id="dsq-media-link" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, false, \'media\'); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.USE_MEDIA + ' <small>&#9660;</small></a>' :
						''),
				'</div>'
		]);
		return result.join('');
	};


	this.header = function() {

		var html = '\<h3 id="dsq-comments-count" class="dsq-h3-commentcount">\
	 <span id="dsq-num-posts">201</span> Comments\
	 &nbsp;\
	 <span class="dsq-item-feed">\
	 <a href="http://scobleizer.disqus.com/the_role_of_anti_marketing_design/latest.rss"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/bullet-feed.png"></a>\
	 </span>\
	 </h3>\
	 <div id="dsq-options" style="margin:15px 0">\
	 <span class="dsq-item-sort">\
	 Sort by\
	 <select id="dsq-sort-select" onchange="Dsq.Thread.sortBy(this.value);">\
	 <option value="hot" selected="selected">Popular now</option>\
	 <option value="best" >Best Rating</option>\
	 <option value="newest" >Newest first</option>\
	 <option value="oldest" >Oldest first</option>\
	 </select>\
	 &nbsp;\
	 </span>\
	 <span class="dsq-item-cp"><a href="http://scobleizer.disqus.com/the_role_of_anti_marketing_design/">Community Page</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>\
	 <span class="dsq-item-subscribe">\
	 <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/email.png" style="width:12px;height:12px;vertical-align:middle">\
	 <span id="dsq-subscribe">\
	 <a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">Subscribe by email</a>\
	 </span>\
	 </span>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-alerts">\
	 <p>Comments for this page are closed.</p>\
	 </div>\
		';

		

		
		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) { 
			html = ' \
			<div class="dsq-alert-message dsq-upgrade-message"> \
				<strong>Disqus upgrade available.</strong> Hi ' + Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username + ', this message is being displayed to you because you are a moderator of this site. <a href="#" onclick="Dsq.$(\'dsq-upgrade-message\').style.display=\'block\';this.style.display=\'none\';return false">Click here for details.</a> \
				<div style="display:none; margin-top:10px;" id="dsq-upgrade-message"> \
					A new theme is available with added features. <a href="http://disqus.com/comments/settings/' + Dsq.jsonData.forum.url + '/?p=customize">To change your theme, click here</a> and choose the theme Narcissus. \
					If you do not upgrade, you are missing out on features such as: real-time commenting, new sign-in integrations, and an upgrade interface. \
					<strong>This message will automatically go away in one week.</strong> \
				</div> \
			</div> \
			' + html; 
		}
		return html;
	};

	this.footer = function() {
		var html = Dsq.Templates.pagination();

		
			html += Dsq.Templates.authPost();
		

		html += Dsq.Templates.reactions();

		
			html += Dsq.Templates.trackbacks();
		

		return html;
	};

	this.pagination = function() {
		var html = '';
		
		if (Dsq.$('dsq-pagination')) { Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML = ''; }
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.thread.paginate) { return ''; }

		//
		// TODO: num_paginator still uses the template tag for pagination, 
		// 		while append_paginator does it all in JavaScript.
		//		This should all be in JavaScript.
		//

		if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_pages > 1 && Dsq.jsonData.request.page < Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_pages) {
			html = ' \<a class="dsq-paginate-append-text" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.paginate(Dsq.jsonData.request.page + 1, this); return false">Show more comments...</a>\
	 <button type="button" class="dsq-button-small dsq-paginate-append-button" onclick="Dsq.Thread.paginate(Dsq.jsonData.request.page + 1, this);">Load more comments</button>\
			';
		}
		
		if (Dsq.$('dsq-pagination')) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML = html;
			return '';
		} else {
			return '<div id="dsq-pagination" class="dsq-pagination">' + html + '</div>';
		}
	};

	this.trackbacks = function() {
		var html = '';

		if(typeof DsqLocal != 'undefined' && DsqLocal.trackback_url && DsqLocal.trackbacks) {
			var trackbacks = DsqLocal.trackbacks;
			var trackback_url = DsqLocal.trackback_url;
		} else {
			var trackbacks = [
			
			
			];
			var trackback_url = 'http://scobleizer.disqus.com/the_role_of_anti_marketing_design/trackback/';
		}

		html += '<div class="dsq-item-trackback">Trackback URL&nbsp;&nbsp;<input class="dsq-trackback-url" onclick="this.select()" readonly="true" value="' + trackback_url + '"></div>';

		if(trackbacks.length) {
			html += '<ul id="dsq-references">'
			for(var i = 0; i < trackbacks.length; i++) {
				var trackback = trackbacks[i];
				html += '<li><cite><a href="' + trackback.author_url + '" rel="nofollow">' + trackback.author_name + '</a></cite> \
						<p class="dsq-meta">' + trackback.date + '</p> \
						<p class="dsq-content">' + trackback.excerpt + '</p></li>';
			}
			html += '</ul>';
			html = '<h3 class="dsq-h3-trackbacks">Trackbacks</h3>' + html;
		}

		return html;
	}

	this.showRetweets = function(id, limit, element_id /* Optional */) {
		var source, html = '';

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			if (reaction.id === id) {
				source = reaction.retweets;
			}
		}

		if (source) {
			if (limit === 0) {
				limit = source.length;
			}

			for (var j = 0; j < limit; j++) {
				var rt = source[j];
				html += '<a href="' + rt.url + '">' + rt.author_name + '</a>'	+ ((j === (limit - 1)) ? '.' : ', ');
			}
		}

		if (element_id === undefined) {
			return html;
		}

		var element = document.getElementById(element_id);
		element.innerHTML = html;
		return element;
	};

	this.showMoreReactions = function(reactions, has_more, start, limit) {
		var link = document.getElementById('dsq-show-more-reactions');
		var container = link.parentNode;
		container.removeChild(link);

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = reactions[i]; i++) {
			var el = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (el) {
				container.innerHTML += el;
			}
		}

		if (has_more) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = start;
			var l = limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			container.innerHTML += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions"><a href="#" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</a></li>';
		}
	};

	this.generateReactionHTML = function(reaction) {
		if (reaction.body === null || reaction.body == '') {
			return;
		}

		if (reaction.author_name === '') {
			reaction.author_name = '&nbsp;';
		}

		if (reaction.url === '') {
			reaction.url = reaction.get_service_url;
		}

		/* Reaction HTML begins */
		var item = '<li class="dsq-reaction" id="dsq-reaction-' + reaction.id + '">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-header">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-header-avatar">';

		if (reaction.author_url && reaction.author_url !== '') {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="' + reaction.author_url +'">';
		} else {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="#" onclick="return false;">';
		}

		if (reaction.avatar_url && reaction.avatar_url !== '') {
			item += '<img src="' + reaction.avatar_url + '"/>';
		} else {
			item += '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/noavatar32.png"/>';
		}

		var service_icon = (reaction.get_service_name == 'trackback' || reaction.get_service_name == 'pingback' ? 'rss' : reaction.get_service_name.replace(' ', ''));
		item += '<img class="dsq-service-icon" src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/reactions/services/' + service_icon + '.png"/>'
			+ '</a></div>'
			+ '<cite><span>' + reaction.author_name + '</span></cite>'
			+ '<span class="dsq-header-meta"><a class="dsq-header-time">' + reaction.date_created + '</a></span>'
			+ '</div><div class="dsq-reaction-body">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-message">' + reaction.body + '</div>'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-footer">From <a class="dsq-service-name" target="_blank" href="' + reaction.url + '">' + reaction.get_service_name + '</a> '
			+ 'via <a href="' + reaction.source_url + '">' + (reaction.source == 'backtype' ? 'BackType' : 'UberVU') + '</a>'
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator ? '&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;<a class="dsq-hide-reaction" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Reaction.hide(' + reaction.id + '); return false;">Hide</a>' : '') + '</div></div>';

		if(reaction.retweets) {
			var num_retweets = reaction.retweets.length;
			if (num_retweets > 0) {
				item += '<div class="dsq-reaction-retweets">';
				if (num_retweets == 1) {
					item += 'One more retweet from <a href="' + reaction.retweets[0].url + '">'  + reaction.retweets[0].author_name + '</a>';
				} else {
					item += (num_retweets + ' more retweets from ');

					item += '<span id="dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '">';
					var n_tweets = (num_retweets > 15) ? 15 : num_retweets;
					item += Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(reaction.id, n_tweets);

					if (n_tweets != num_retweets) {
						item += '</span> <a onclick="Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(' + reaction.id + ', 0, \'dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '\');'
							+ 'this.parentNode.removeChild(this); return false;" href="#">Show all</a>';
					}
				}
				item += '</div>';
			}
		}

		item += '</li>'; /* Reaction HTML ends */
		return item;
	};

	this.reactions = function() {
		var html, reaction;

		if (Dsq.jsonData.reactions === undefined || Dsq.jsonData.reactions.length === 0) {
			return '';
		}

		html = '';
		for (var i = 0; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			var item = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (item) {
				html += item;
			}
		}

		if (Dsq.jsonData.has_more_reactions) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_start;
			var l = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			html += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions"><a href="#" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</a></li>';
		}

		return '<h3 class="dsq-h3-reactions">Reactions</h3><ul id="dsq-reactions" class="dsq-reactions">' + html + '</ul>';
	};
	
	this.missingPermissions = function() {
		return '	<p>Comments for this page are closed.</p>\n';
	};

	//
	// Post
	//

	this.prependPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="comment-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.appendPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="dsq-comment-reply-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.postPrependHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(null, post_id);
			var html = '';
			var hiddenThreshold = 3; // Define # of services to show before stuffing them in hidden div

			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == hiddenThreshold
					? '<li id="dsq-drop-hidden-' + post_id +'" class="dsq-drop-hidden"><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-drop-services"> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank"> \
						<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>';
			}

			if(i >= hiddenThreshold) {
				html += '</ul></li> \
				<li id="dsq-drop-more-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-drop-more"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.dropProfileMore(this, '+ post_id + '); return false"><small>&#9660;</small></a></li> \
				';
			}
			return html;
		};

		return ' \
			<div class="dsq-header-avatar" id="dsq-header-avatar-' + post_id + '" onmouseover="Dsq.Post.dropProfile(' + post_id + ')"> \
				<a id="dsq-avatar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-avatar" href="' + userData.url + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">'
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.show_avatar
				? '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key].avatar + '" alt="" />'
				: '')
			+ '</a>'
			+ '</div> \
		';
	};

	this.postAppendHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];

		return ''
			+ (_meta.author_is_moderator
				? '<img class="dsq-mod-star" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/bullet-star.png" title="Moderator" alt="" />'
				: '')
			+ '<span class="dsq-header-meta"> \
				<a id="dsq-time-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-header-time" href="#comment-' + post_id + '" title="Permalink">' + _meta.date + '</a> \
			</span>';
	};

	this.preBody = function(post_id) {
		return '';
	}

	this.postBody = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: Deprecate flagging conditional
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		return ''
			+ (_meta.edited
				? '<p class="dsq-editedtxt">(Edited by a moderator)</p>'
				: '')
			;
	};

	this.postFooter = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: Use media should be conditional
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		if(_meta.killed) { return ''; }

		return ' \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer" id="dsq-comment-footer-' + post_id + '"> \
				<div id="dsq-points-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-likedtxt">'
				+ (_meta.points
					? _meta.points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(_meta.points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this comment.'
					: '')
				+ '</div>'
				+ '<ul class="dsq-comment-options dsq-list-style">'
				+ (_meta.votable
					? '<li class="dsq-list-first dsq-rate" id="dsq-rate-cont-' + post_id + '">'
					+ (!_meta.up_voted
						? '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.rate(this, ' + post_id + ', 1); return false;">Like</a>'
						: 'You liked this.') + '</li>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-report' + (!_meta.votable ? ' dsq-list-first' : '') + '" id="dsq-post-report-' + post_id + '"><a href="#" class="dsq-post-report" onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + post_id + ', false); return false;">Report</a></li> \
				</ul> \
				<ul class="dsq-list-style">'
				+ (_meta.can_reply
					? '<li class="dsq-list-first"><a href="#" id="dsq-reply-link-' + post_id +'" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleReply(this, ' + post_id +'); return false;">Reply</a></li>'
					: '')
				+ (_meta.can_reply && !_meta.has_replies && _meta.from_request_user
					? '<li id="dsq-edit-el-' + post_id + '"><a id="dsq-edit-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); return false;">Edit</a></li>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="' + (!_meta.can_reply ? 'dsq-list-first' : '') + '" id="dsq-more-el-' + post_id + '"><a id="dsq-more-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, ' + post_id + ', \'more\'); return false">More <small>&#9660;</small></a></li>'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.use_media
					? '<li id="dsq-media-el-' + post_id +'" style="display:none"><a id="dsq-media-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, ' + post_id + ', \'media\'); return false">Use Media <small>&#9660;</small></a></li>'
					: '')
				+ '</ul>'
				+ '<div id="dsq-reply-bar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar" style="display:none"> \
						<div id="dsq-reply-bar-items-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar-items"> \
						</div> \
						<div id="dsq-reply-bar-auth-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar-auth"> \
							 \
								 \
								 	<a href="#" class="dsq-help dsq-reply-req-opt" title="You are commenting as a Guest. You may choose to log into an existing DISQUS Profile, your Facebook, Twitter or OpenID account to comment on Scobleizer" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Optional:</a> \
								 \
								<img class="dsq-login-icon" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/dsq-favicon-16x16.png" alt="" /> \
								<a id="dsq-reply-login-' + post_id + '" href="http://disqus.com/profile/login/?next=article:18359283" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false">Login</a> \
								 \
									&nbsp;or&nbsp; \
									<img class="fb_login_image" src="http://static.ak.fbcdn.net/images/fbconnect/login-buttons/connect_light_small_short.gif" alt="Facebook Connect"/> \
									<a href="#" onclick="FB.Connect.requireSession(DisqusFbcParentController.onLogin); return false;">Connect</a> \
								 \
								&nbsp;or&nbsp; \
									<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/twitter-signin-icon.png" alt="" /> \
									<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Twitter.startTwitterConnect(); return false">Sign-in</a> \
								 \
								 \
							 \
						</div> \
					</div> \
					<div id="dsq-reply-' + post_id + '"></div> \
			</div> \
		';
	};

	//
	// Iframes
	//

	this._makeAttributes = function(attributes) {
		// Makes a tag attributes string out of an object.
		// Caller is responsible for making sure nothing needs to be escaped.
		var result = [];
		for (key in attributes) {
			result.push(' ' + key + '="' + attributes[key] + '"');
		}
		result = result.join('');
		return result;
	};

	this._frameGeneric = function(base_url, params, attributes) {
		if(typeof(disqus_callback_params) == 'undefined') {
			disqus_callback_params = '';
		}

		var default_params = {
			// TODO: These should be moved to Dsq.jsonData.
			'f'				: 'scobleizer',
			't'				: 'the_role_of_anti_marketing_design',
			// Do we need encodeURIComponent here?
			'ifrs'			: encodeURIComponent(disqus_iframe_css),
			'to_redirect'	: encodeURIComponent(window.location),
			'cbp'			: disqus_callback_params,
			'ff'			: Dsq.Thread.ff,
			'fc'			: Dsq.Thread.fc,
			'ac'			: Dsq.Thread.ac,
			'default_text'	: disqus_default_text
		};

		base_url += '?' + (new Date()).getTime();
		// Add params to default_params.
		if(params) {
			for(var key in params) {
				if(params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
					default_params[key] = encodeURIComponent(params[key]);
				}
			}
		}
		// Build querystring.
		for(var key in default_params) {
			if(default_params[key] && default_params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				base_url += '&' + key + '=' + default_params[key];
			}
		}

		return [
			'<iframe marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" hspace="0" vspace="0" frameborder="0"',
			(' allowtransparency="true" src="' + base_url + '"'),
			this._makeAttributes(attributes),
			'</iframe>'].join('');
	};

	this.frameLogin = function(opt_attributes) {
		var params = {};
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/embed/login.html';
		var attributes = opt_attributes || {};
		attributes['class'] = 'dsq-post-login';

		if(typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
	};

	this.frameReply = function(post_id, extra_params, attributes) {
		// Returns the HTML for a reply iframe. Called by Dsq.Iframes.setReplyIframeToContainer
		var _meta = (typeof post_id != 'undefined') ? Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] : false;
		var base_url = Dsq.Urls.REPLY;
		var params = {
			'def_email'		: disqus_def_email,
			'def_name'		: disqus_def_name
		};
		if(extra_params) {
			for(var key in extra_params) {
				if(extra_params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
					params[key] = extra_params[key];
				}
			}
		}
		if(_meta) {
			params['parent_post'] = post_id;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined') {
			params['per_page'] = disqus_per_page;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
			attributes['class'] += '-authenticated';
		}
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
	};

	this.frameEdit = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = (typeof post_id != 'undefined') ? Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] : false;
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/embed/edit.html';
		var params = {
			'p' : post_id
		};
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, {'class': 'dsq-post-edit', 'name': 'dsq-edit_' + post_id + '-frame'});
	};

	//
	// Menus
	//

	this.menuMore = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: "Remove post" button should hide menu.
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		return ' \
			<li><a href="#comment-' + post_id + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.permalink(' + post_id + ')">Link</a></li> \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">Profile</a></li>'
	+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator
		? '	<li class="dsq-menu-sep"></li>' + (_meta.email ? '<li class="dsq-admin-email">' + _meta.email + '</li>' : '')
		+ '	<li class="dsq-admin-ip">' + _meta.ip + '</li> \
			<li class="dsq-menu-sep"></li>'
		+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.moderator_can_edit
			? ' <li class="dsq-admin-edit"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); return false;">Edit Comment</a></li>'
			: '')
		+ ' <li class="dsq-remove"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.removePost(' + post_id + ', 1); return false;">Remove Comment</a></li> \
			<li class="dsq-report-spam"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.reportSpam(' + post_id + '); return false;">Mark Spam</a></li> \
			<li class="dsq-block-user"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.blacklist(' + post_id + '); return false">Block User</a></li>'
		: '');
	};

	this.menuMedia = function(post_id) {
		return ' \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleMediaReply(this, ' + post_id + ', \'seesmic\'); return false;">Record video</a></li> \
		';
	};

	this.dropProfile = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(null, post_id);
			var html = '';
			var hiddenThreshold = 3; // Define # of services to show before stuffing them in hidden div

			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == hiddenThreshold
					? '<li id="dsq-drop-hidden-' + post_id +'" class="dsq-drop-hidden"><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-drop-services"> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank"> \
						<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>';
			}

			if(i >= hiddenThreshold) {
				html += '</ul></li> \
				<li id="dsq-drop-more-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-drop-more"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.dropProfileMore(this, '+ post_id + '); return false"><small>&#9660;</small></a></li> \
				';
			}
			return html;
		};


		var menu = '<li class="dsq-drop-showlnk"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">Expand &#8663;</a></li>';
		var pointsMessage = '';
		if (userData['registered']) {
			pointsMessage = 'with ' + userData['points'] + ' points (more points are better).';
		}

		if (userData['is_remote']) {
			var domain = userData['remote_domain_name'];
			menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' is a ' + domain + ' user ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
			menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-' + domain.toLowerCase() + '">' + domain + '</span></li>';
		} else if (userData['registered']) {
			if (userData['verified']) {
				menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has a verified commenter profile ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
				menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span></li>';
			} else {
				menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has a registered, but unverified, commenter profile ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
				menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span></li>';
			}
		} else {
			menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has not claimed this commenter profile." onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()"><span class="dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span></li>';
		}

		menu += _includeServices();
		return menu;
	};

	//
	// Popups
	//

	this._popupGeneric = function(content) {
		return ' \
		<div class="dsq-popup-content"> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-top"></div> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-body" class="clearfix"> \
				<div class="dsq-popup-body-padding"> \
					<div class="dsq-popup-header"> \
						<a class="dsq-close-link" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/modal-close.png" alt="" /></a>'
						+ content['header']
					+ '</div>'
					+ content['body']
					+ '<div class="powered-by"><a href="http://disqus.com/comments/">Powered by <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-logo.png" alt="Disqus Comments" style="margin-bottom:-5px" /></a></div> \
				</div> <!-- padding --> \
			</div> <!-- body --> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-bottom"></div> \
		</div> \
		';
	};

	this.popupProfile = function(user_key) {
		var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(user_key, null);
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][user_key];
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var html = '';
			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == 0
					? '<h4>Connections</h4><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li> \
					<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" title="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" /> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>'
				+ (i+1 == userServices.length ? '</ul>' : '');
			}
			return html;
		};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<table> \
				<tr> \
					<td> \
						<a class="dsq-profile-userurl" href="' + userData.url + '"><img class="dsq-popup-profile-avatar" src="' + userData['avatar'] + '" alt="" /></a> \
					</td> \
					<td> \
						<div class="dsq-popup-profile-user"> \
							<h3>' + userData['display_name'] + '</h3> \
							<div class="dsq-popup-profile-user-stats" id="dsq-popup-profile-user-stats-' + user_key + '">Loading...</div> \
						</div> \
					</td> \
				</tr> \
			</table> \
		';

		bodyHtml = ' \
			<div class="dsq-popup-profile-state"> \
				This is a&nbsp;<span class="'
					+ (userData['registered']
						? (userData['verified']
							? ' dsq-badge-verified'
							: (userData['is_remote']
								? ' dsq-badge-' + userData['remote_domain_name'].toLowerCase()
								: ' dsq-badge-registered')
							)
							: ' dsq-badge-guest') + '">'
			+ (userData['registered']
				? (userData['verified']
					? 'Verified'
					: (userData['is_remote']
						 ? userData['remote_domain_name']
						 : 'Registered')
					)
				: 'Guest')
			+ '</span>&nbsp;commenter profile.'
			+ '&nbsp;<a class="dsq-profile-userurl" href="' + userData.url + '"><strong>View more comments </strong></a>'
			+ (!userData['points']
				? '<p class="dsq-popup-notice">If this is you, <a href="http://disqus.com/profile" target="_blank">claim it now</a> to manage your comments.</p>'
				: '')
			+ ((userData['registered'] && !userData['verified'] && (Dsq.jsonData.request.username && (Dsq.jsonData.request.username == userData['username'])) && !userData['is_remote'])
				? '<p class="dsq-popup-notice"><strong>Alert</strong>: You have not verified this account. <a href="http://disqus.com/verify">Verify it now.</a></p>'
				: '')
			+ '</div> \
			<div id="dsq-profile-status-' + user_key + '" class="dsq-popup-profile-status" style="display:none"></div> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-profile-snapshot"> \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td> \
							<div id="dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-wrapper-' + user_key + '"> \
								<h4>Most active sites</h4> \
								<ul id="dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + user_key + '"> \
									<li>Loading...</li> \
								</ul> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
						<td>'
							+ _includeServices()
							+ '<div id="dsq-popup-profile-moderated-wrapper-' + user_key + '"> \
								<h4>Moderator of</h4> \
								<ul id="dsq-popup-profile-moderated-' + user_key + '"> \
									<li>Loading...</li> \
								</ul> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
					</tr> \
				</table> \
			</div> \
			';

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.popupReblog = function() {
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<cite><span>Reblog this comment</span></cite> \
		';

		bodyHtml = ' \
			<div id="dsq-reblog-form" class="dsq-reblog-form"> \
			</div> \
		';

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.popupModal = function(title, message) {
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<h3>' + title + '</h3> \
		';

		bodyHtml = message;

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.alertContent = function(name, post_id) {
		var alert = {
			'post_not_approved': {
				'title': 'Comment awaiting approval by a moderator',
				'message': 'Thanks for posting. Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.'
			},
			'post_has_profile': {
				'title': 'Use your existing commenter profile',
				'message': 'You have just posted your commment as a <span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span>, but you may already have a <span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span> commenter profile.<br /><br /><a href="http://disqus.com/claim">Log in and claim this comment!</a>'
			}
		};
		return alert[name] || false;
	};

	//
	// Actions
	//

	this.voted = function(post_id, points, vote) {
		// Update number of points
		Dsq.$('dsq-points-' + post_id).innerHTML = points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this comment.';

		// Update link text
		if(vote) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-rate-cont-' + post_id).innerHTML = 'You liked this.';
		}
	};

	this.subscribed = function(status) {
		var title, message;

		if(status) {
			title = 'Subscribed!';
			message = 'You have subscribed to this comment thread. New comments will be sent directly to your email inbox, where you may read and respond by email.';
			Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe').innerHTML = ' \
				<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(0); return false">Unsubscribe</a> \
			';
		} else {
			title = 'Unsubscribed';
			message = 'You have unsubscribed to this comment thread. New comments will no longer be sent to your email inbox.';
			Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe').innerHTML = ' \
				<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">Subscribe by email</a> \
			';
		}

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);

	};
	
	this.highlighted = function() {
		Dsq.Popup.popModal('This comment has been highlighted.', 'Highlighted comment');
	};

	//
	// Media
	//

	this.mediaSeesmic = function(id, thumb) {
		return ' \
			<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_preview" class="dsq-seesmic-preview"><a href="http://www.seesmic.com/video/' + id + '" target="_blank" class="see_link">&nbsp;</a> \
				<div style="display:block;width:160px; height:120px; border:none; background-image:url(http://t.seesmic.com/thumbnail/' + thumb + ')"> \
					<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_hide" class="seePlayOverlay" style="display:none;"><img onclick="see_play_video(\'' + id + '\',false)" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/seesmic/stopOverlay.png" width="50" height="50" style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand; padding-top: 30px; padding-left: 50px" alt="" /></div> \
					<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_show" class="seePlayOverlay"><img onclick="see_play_video(\'' + id + '\',true)" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/seesmic/playOverlay.png" width="50" height="50" style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand; border:none; padding-top: 30px; padding-left: 50px" alt="" /></div> \
				</div> \
			</div> \
			<div id="' + id + '_content" style="display:block; width:100%; padding-top:5px"></div> \
		';
	};

	//
	// Callbacks
	//

	this.postComment_onSuccess = function(parent_post_id) {
		// Increment post count
		var num_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-num-posts');
		var total_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-total-posts');
		
		if (num_posts) { 
			num_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(num_posts.innerHTML) + 1;
		}
		if (total_posts) { 
			total_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(total_posts.innerHTML) + 1;
		}
	};
};
// Dsq.Templates


/**
 * Dsq.Post
 */
Dsq.Post = new function() {
	this.openedMenu = {};
	this.menuEventListener = null;
	this.stateReplyToggled = {};
	this.stateEditToggled = {};
	this.stateRecordLink = {};

	/**
	 * Inserts a new post into the document.
	 *
	 * @param after_id {Number}	Insert a post before specified id.  If after_id
	 *							evaluates to false, then post in the front.  If
	 *							after_id is -1, post at the end.
	 */
	this.insert = function(after_id, id, message, author) {
		// Skeleton template from thread_posts.html.
		var skeleton = ' \
			<li id="dsq-comment-%(id)s"> \
				<div id="dsq-comment-header-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-header"> \
					<cite id="dsq-cite-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-cite"> \
						<a id="dsq-author-user-%(id)s" href="%(author_url)s" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">%(author_name)s</a> \
					</cite> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-comment-body-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-body"> \
					<div id="dsq-comment-message-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-message">%(message)s</div> \
				</div> \
			</li> \
		';
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
		var _user_meta = Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key];
		var markup = Dsq.Utils.interpolate(skeleton, {
			id: id,
			message: message,
			author_url: _user_meta.blog,
			author_name: _user_meta.display_name
		});
		var div = document.createElement('div');
		markup = markup.replace(Dsq.COMMENTS_RE, Dsq.CommentsHandler);
		div.innerHTML = markup;

		if (after_id === -1) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-comments').appendChild(div);
		} else if (!after_id) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-comments').insertBefore(div, Dsq.$('dsq-comments').firstChild);
		} else if (Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + after_id)) {
			// Get next node after "after_id", so we can insert before it.
			// If "after_id" is the last comment, the target node is the
			// last node.
			
			// var append_post_id = Dsq.Templates.appendPost(after_id).replace('<div id="','').replace('"></div>', '');
			var append_post_id = 'dsq-append-post-' + after_id;
			var node = Dsq.$(append_post_id);
			while (node = node.nextSibling) {
				if (!node || node.nodeType == 1) { // 1 == Node.ELEMENT_NODE
					break;
				}
			}
			if (!node) {
				node = Dsq.$(append_post_id);
			}
			node.parentNode.insertBefore(div, node);
		}
	};

	this.incrementPostCount = function() {
		
		var num_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-num-posts');
		var total_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-total-posts');

		if (num_posts) {
			num_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(num_posts.innerHTML, 10) + 1;
		}
		if (total_posts) {
			total_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(total_posts.innerHTML, 10) + 1;
		}
	}
	
	this.outlineComment = function(post_id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className += ' dsq-comment-outline';
		setTimeout("(function () { Dsq.Post.clearOutlineComment(" + post_id + ") })()", 3000);
	};
	
	this.clearOutlineComment = function(post_id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className.replace('dsq-comment-outline', '');
	};

	this.showMenu = function(el, id, name) {
		var anchorPos = Dsq.Utils.findPos(el);
		var menu = document.createElement('ul');

		if(this.openedMenu) {
			if(this.openedMenu.linkClicked) {
				this.openedMenu.linkClicked = false;
				return;
			}
		}

		switch(name) {
			case 'more':
				menu.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.menuMore(id);
				break;
			case 'media':
				menu.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.menuMedia(id);
				break;
			default:
				break;
		}

		// Add menu to document body
		menu.id = 'dsq-menu-' + id;
		menu.className = 'dsq-menu';
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(menu);

		// Position and show
		anchorPos[1] += 15;
		menu.style.left = anchorPos[0] + 'px';
		menu.style.top = anchorPos[1] + 'px';
		menu.style.display = 'block';

		// Set global reference
		this.openedMenu = {
			'el' : menu,
			'id' : id,
			'name' : name,
			'linkClicked' : false
		};

		// Set listener
		this.menuEventListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', this._hideMenu);
	};

	this._hideMenu = function(e) {
		var el = e.target || e.srcElement;
		var openedMenu = Dsq.Post.openedMenu.el;
		var id = Dsq.Post.openedMenu.id;

		if(!id) {
			var link = 'dsq-' + Dsq.Post.openedMenu.name + '-link';
		} else {
			var link = 'dsq-' + Dsq.Post.openedMenu.name + '-link-' + id;
		}

		if(!openedMenu) {
			return;
		}

		if(!Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, openedMenu.id)) {
			openedMenu.style.display = 'none';
			Dsq.Utils.removeEventListener(Dsq.Post.menuEventListener);
			Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(openedMenu);

		} else {
			// Hide the menu if a link was clicked inside the menu.  We can't
			// completely remove the menu until the onclick event on the link
			// fires, but the menuEventListener will prevent multiple menus
			// from polluting the DOM.
			if(el && typeof el.href != 'undefined') {
				openedMenu.style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.Post.openedMenu.el = null;
			}
		}

		if(Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, link)) {
 			Dsq.Post.openedMenu.linkClicked = true;
		}
	};


	this.getUserServices = function(user_key, id) {
		if(!user_key && id) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
			user_key = _meta.user_key;
		}
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][user_key];
		var userServices = [];

		// Keep a full list of supported services. This is the order they will display in the drop-profile.
		// Each service must have a corresponding case in _buildServiceUrl()
		var supportedServices = ['blog', 'twitter', 'facebook', 'tumblr'];

		function _buildServiceUrl(serviceName) {
			var data = userData[serviceName];
			var services = {
				blog:		function(d) { return d; },
				twitter:	function(d) { return d; },
				facebook:	function(d) { return d; },
				tumblr:		function(d) { return 'http://' + d + '.tumblr.com'; }
			};
			return services[serviceName](data);
		}

		for(var i = 0; i < supportedServices.length; i++) {
			if(userData[supportedServices[i]]) {
				var serviceUrl = _buildServiceUrl(supportedServices[i]);
				userServices.push({'name' : supportedServices[i], 'url' : serviceUrl});
			}
		}
		return userServices;
	}

	this.dropProfile = function(id) {
		var dp = Dsq.$('dsq-drop-profile-' + id);

		// IE6 needs JS to display/hide. All other browsers use CSS.
		if(dp) {
			if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) dp.style.display = (dp.style.display == 'inline') ? 'none' : 'inline';
			return false;
		} else {
			dp = document.createElement('ul');
		}

		dp.id = 'dsq-drop-profile-' + id;
		dp.className = 'dsq-drop-profile';

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) { dp.style.display = 'inline'; }

		var container = Dsq.$('dsq-header-avatar-' + id);
		dp.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.dropProfile(id);
		container.appendChild(dp);
	};

	this.dropProfileMore = function(el, id) {
		var hiddenItems = Dsq.$('dsq-drop-hidden-' + id);

		hiddenItems.style.display = 'inline';
		el.parentNode.style.display = 'none';
	};

	this._updateReplyLinks = function(el, id) {
		// Update "reply / cancel" links based on state.
		var displayDict = {};

		if(id) {
			if(this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				el.innerHTML = 'Cancel';
				displayDict['media'] = 'inline';
				displayDict['edit'] = 'none';
			} else {
				el.innerHTML = 'Reply';
				displayDict['media'] = 'none';
				displayDict['edit'] = 'inline';
			}
		}

		for(var key in displayDict) {
			if(displayDict.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				var	linkEl = Dsq.$('dsq-' + key + '-el-' + id),
					spacer = Dsq.$('dsq-' + key + '-spacer-' + id);

				if(linkEl) {
					linkEl.style.display = displayDict[key];
					if(spacer) spacer.style.display = displayDict[key];
				}
			}
		}
	};

	this._updateMediaLinks = function(el, id) {
		// Update "use media / cancel" links based on state.
		var appendId = (id) ? ('-' + id) : '';
		var link = Dsq.$('dsq-media-link' + appendId);

		if(this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
			link.innerHTML = 'Cancel Media';
			link.onclick = function() { Dsq.Post.toggleMediaReply(link, id); return false; };
		} else {
			link.innerHTML = 'Use Media <small>&#9660;</small>';
			link.onclick = function() { Dsq.Post.showMenu(link, id, 'media'); return false; };
		}
	};

	this.toggleReply = function(el, id) {
		// Create reply IFrame
		if (window.disqus_use_postmessage) {
			if (!this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				// Create IFrame if it doesn't exist.
				if (!Dsq.frames['reply_' + id]) {
					var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id] = new Dsq.ReplyFrame(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-frame-' + id), id);
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id].init();
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id].setState(id, _meta.depth);
				}
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id).style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'none';
			}
		} else {
			// DEPRECATED
			if(!this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				// Reply toolbar
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id), id);
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.Iframes.hideAllInContainer(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id));
				if(this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
					// HACK: Cancel media before canceling self.
					this.toggleMediaReply(Dsq.$('dsq-media-link-' + id), id);
				}
			}
		}

		this.stateReplyToggled[id] = !this.stateReplyToggled[id];
		this._updateReplyLinks(el, id);

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE('dsq-reply-' + id); }

		Dsq.Events.fire(Dsq.Events.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED, {
			postId: id,
			opened: this.stateReplyToggled[id]
		});
	};

	this.toggleMediaReply = function(el, id, xtype) {
		id = id || 0;
		if(id) {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-post-add');
		}

		if(!this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
			Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, id, {xtype:xtype}, 'dsq-post-video');
		} else {
			Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, id);
		}
		this.stateRecordLink[id] = !this.stateRecordLink[id];
		this._updateMediaLinks(el, id);

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(); }
	};

	this.edit = function(el, id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + id).innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.frameEdit(id);
		el.parentNode.style.display = 'none';
		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE('dsq-comment-message-' + id); }
	};

    this.rate = function(el, id, vote) {
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_votes) {
			if(vote == 1) {
                Dsq.$('dsq-rate-cont-' + id).innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
            }

            Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/vote.js'
                + '?post_id='    + id
                + '&vote='        + vote);

		} else {
			Dsq.Popup.login(Dsq.Strings.TO_RATE_PLEASE_LOG_IN);
		}
    };

	this.report = function(id, confirmed) {
		if(confirmed) {
			Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/the_role_of_anti_marketing_design/post_report/', {'post_id': id});
			Dsq.Popup.popModal('Thank you. This comment has been flagged for moderator attention.', 'Successfully flagged');
			Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(Dsq.$('dsq-post-report-' + id));
		} else {
			var title = Dsq.Strings.FLAG_INAPPROPRIATE_COMMENT;
			var message = Dsq.Strings.ARE_YOU_SURE_YOU_WOULD_LIKE_TO_REPORT_THIS_COMMENT_TO_A_MODERATOR + '? \
			<br /><br /> \
			<button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true)"><strong>' + Dsq.Strings.NO + '</strong>, ' + Dsq.Strings.NEVER_MIND + '</button>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + id + ', true);"><strong>' + Dsq.Strings.YES + '</strong>, ' + Dsq.Strings.FLAG_INAPPROPRIATE_COMMENT + '</button><br /><br />'
			+ Dsq.Strings.THIS_WILL_FLAG_COMMENTS_FOR_MODERATORS_TO_TAKE_ACTION + '. \
			';

			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title, id);
		}
	};



	this.showAlert = function(id, msg) {
		var msgEl = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + id);
		var alert = '<div class="dsq-comment-alert">' + msg + '</div>';

		msgEl.innerHTML = alert + msgEl.innerHTML;
	};

};
// Dsq.Post


/**
 * Dsq.Thread
 */
Dsq.Thread = new function() {
	this.fc = null;
	this.ff = null;
	this.ac = null;

	
	this.adminIsOn = false;

	
	
	

	this.hlComment = null;
	this.hlCommentClass = null;

	this.getNextComment = function(el) {
		var start_id = el.id;
		while(el = el.nextSibling) {
			if(el.id && el.id.indexOf('dsq-comment-') != -1 && el.id != start_id) {
				return el;
			}
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.getActiveCommentId = function() {
		if (document.URL.indexOf('#comment-') >= 0) {
			var anchor = document.URL.slice(document.URL.indexOf('#') + 1);
			return anchor.replace('comment-', '');
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.highlightAnchor = function() {
		var i = this.getActiveCommentId();
		if (i == null) return false;
		var id = 'dsq-comment-' + i;
		var hash = window.location.hash;

		// Toggle the hash incase the comment isn't available when the page loads
		// for WebKit-based browsers.
		if (Dsq.Utils.webkit) {
			window.location.hash = '';
			window.location.hash = hash;
		}

		this.hlComment = Dsq.$(id);
		// Adding this conditional guard pending #289
		if (!this.hlComment) {
			return;
		}
		this.hlCommentClass = this.hlComment.className;
		this.hlComment.className += ' dsq-hl-anchor';

		setTimeout("Dsq.Thread.highlightClear()", 3000);
	};

	this.highlightClear = function() {
		if (!this.hlComment) {
			return;
		}
		this.hlComment.className = this.hlCommentClass;
	};

	this.login = function(toggle) {
		// toggle id is #dsq-reply-login-[id]
		var postId;
		if(toggle.id.indexOf('dsq-reply-login') != -1) {
			postId = toggle.id.slice(16);
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + postId);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-post-add');
		}

		if(toggle) {
			if(toggle.className == 'dsq-login-active') {
				Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed(container, postId);
				toggle.className = '';
			} else {
				Dsq.Iframes.showLoginIframeInContainer(container, postId);
				toggle.className = 'dsq-login-active';
			}
		} else {
			Dsq.Iframes.showLoginIframeInContainer(container, postId);
		}

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(); }
	};


	this.paginate = function(page, el_clicked, per_page) {
		// Use extra_params to pass any override parameters that we need to persist.
		var extra_params = '';

		// "Per page" can either be overriden by providing it as an argument
		// (per-call) or setting the disqus_per_page override variable (global).
		if(typeof per_page == 'undefined') {
			per_page = null;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined' && per_page === null) {
			per_page = disqus_per_page;
		}

		if(typeof disqus_sort != 'undefined') {
			extra_params += '&sort=' + disqus_sort;
		}
		if(per_page !== null) {
			extra_params += '&per_page=' + per_page;
		}

		Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML += '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
		
		if(el_clicked) {
			el_clicked.style.display = 'none';
		}
		
		Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'the_role_of_anti_marketing_design'
			+ '&p='		+ page
			+ extra_params);
	};

	this.sortBy = function(sort) {
		var disqus_script = document.createElement('script');
		var disqus_date = new Date();

		if (location.hash != '') {
			location.hash = '#disqus_thread';
		}

		if(typeof(disqus_url) == 'undefined') {
			disqus_url = disqus_href;
		}
		disqus_script.type = 'text/javascript';
		disqus_script.src = 'http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'the_role_of_anti_marketing_design'
			+ '&sort='	+ sort
			+ '&title='
			+ '&'		+ disqus_date.getTime();

		Dsq.$('dsq-comments').innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading.gif">';
		Dsq.container.appendChild(disqus_script);
	};

	this.subscribe = function(status, email) {
		// `status` is an int -- 1 to subscribe, 0 to unsubscribe
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || email) {
			// If authenticated user OR anonymous email provided

			if(email) {
				Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);
			}

			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/subscribe.js'
				+'?status=' 	+ status
				+ '&slug='		+ 'the_role_of_anti_marketing_design'
				+ '&email=' 	+ encodeURIComponent(email));

		} else if(!email) {
			// If anonymous user and no email has been provided yet, prompt for email

			var title = 'Subscribe to this comment thread';
			var message = ' \
				New comments will be sent directly to your email inbox! \
				<div class="dsq-subscribe-submit"> \
					<p><strong>Enter your email address below.</strong></p> \
					<input type="text" id="dsq-subscribe-email"> \
					<button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1, Dsq.$(\'dsq-subscribe-email\').value)">Subscribe</button> \
				</div> \
			';

			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
		}
	};

	this.showSettings = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) {
			return;
		}

		/* The form has to be re-designed when more options will come out. */
		var html = 'Automatically close comments after <input size="3" id="dsq-thread-days-alive" value="' + Dsq.jsonData.thread.days_alive + '" type="text" /> days. Existing comments will still be displayed.<br /><br />(Using 0 days will disable this feature)<br /><br />'
								 + '<button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Thread.updateDaysAlive();" class="dsq-button-small"><span>Save</span></button>'
								 + '<span id="dsq-thread-settings-status" class="dsq-options-status"></span>';

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(html, 'Settings');
	};

  this.showModeratorActions = function() {
      if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) {
          return;
      }

      var html = '<div class="dsq-moderate-options"><table><tr>' +
                 '<td>' + Dsq.Strings.ACTIONS + '</td><td><ul>';
      html += '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.toggleClosed(); return false;">' +
              (Dsq.jsonData.thread.closed ? Dsq.Strings.OPEN_THREAD : Dsq.Strings.CLOSE_THREAD) +
              '</a></li>';
      html += '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.toggleKilled(); return false;">' +
              (Dsq.jsonData.thread.killed ? Dsq.Strings.RESTORE_THREAD : Dsq.Strings.REMOVE_THREAD) +
              '</a></li>';
      html += '</ul></td></tr></table></div>' +
              '<p>Go to the full <a href="http://disqus.com/comments/moderate-threads/" target="_blank">moderate panel</a> for more options.</p>';
      Dsq.Popup.popModal(html, Dsq.Strings.MODERATE_OPTIONS);
  };

	this.updateDaysAlive = function() {
		  var days = Dsq.$('dsq-thread-days-alive').value;
		  var status = Dsq.$('dsq-thread-settings-status');
		  Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/update_days_alive.js', {days:days,thread:Dsq.jsonData.thread.id});
		  status.innerHTML = 'Saved!';
		  window.setTimeout(function() { status.innerHTML = ''; }, 1000);
	};

  this.toggleClosed = function() {
      Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/toggle_thread_closed.js', {thread:Dsq.jsonData.thread.id});
      window.setTimeout(function() { window.location.reload(); }, 500);
  };

  this.toggleKilled = function() {
      Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/toggle_thread_killed.js', {thread:Dsq.jsonData.thread.id});
      window.setTimeout(function() { window.location.reload(); }, 500);
  };
};
// Dsq.Thread

Dsq.Events = function() {
	var obj = {};

	// Private
	var handlers = {};
	var getHandlers = function(event) {
		if (handlers[event] === undefined) {
			handlers[event] = [];
		}
		return handlers[event];
	};

	// Public
	// Value keys : postId, node, xtype
	obj.REPLY_IFRAME_CREATED = 1;
	// Value keys : postId, opened
	obj.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED = 2;
	obj.fire = function(event, opt_value) {
		if (!event) {
			throw new Error('Unknown event');
		}
		var value = opt_value || {};
		for (var i=0; i<getHandlers(event).length; i++) {
			getHandlers(event)[i](value);
		}
	};
	obj.addHandler = function(event, callback) {
		getHandlers(event).push(callback);
	};

	return obj;
}();

/**
 * Dsq.Realtime
 */
Dsq.Realtime = new function() {
	var initialized = false;
	var interval = null;
	var last_checked = Dsq.jsonData.request.timestamp;
	var new_posts = [];
	var ongoing_request = false;
	var prev_script = null;

	function updateNewPostCount() {
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-alert').style.display = new_posts.length ? 'block' : 'none';

		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-queued').innerHTML = new_posts.length
		+ ' new '
		+ Dsq.Utils.pluralize(new_posts.length, 'comment', 'comments')
		+ Dsq.Utils.pluralize(new_posts.length, ' was', ' were')
		+ ' just posted.';

		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-show').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.SHOW + ')';
	}

	function insertNewPosts() {
		var post_id = null;
		var after_id = Dsq.$('dsq-sort-select').value === 'oldest' ? -1 : null;

		for (var i=0; i<new_posts.length; i++) {
			post_id = new_posts[i];
			Dsq.Post.insert(after_id, post_id, Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id].message);
			Dsq.Post.incrementPostCount();
			Dsq.Post.outlineComment(post_id);
		}
		new_posts = [];
	}

	this.enableInterval = function() {
		interval = setInterval(Dsq.Realtime.check, Dsq.jsonData.context.realtime_speed);
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-status').innerHTML = Dsq.Strings.ENABLED;
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.PAUSE + ')';
	}

	this.disableInterval = function() {
		if (interval) {
			clearInterval(interval);
			interval = null;
		}
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-status').innerHTML = Dsq.Strings.PAUSED;
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.RESUME + ')';
	}

	this.toggleInterval = function() {
		if (!interval) {
			Dsq.Realtime.enableInterval();
		} else {
			Dsq.Realtime.disableInterval();
		}
		return false;
	}

	this.initialize = function() {
		if (!initialized) {
			initialized = true;
			Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').onclick = this.toggleInterval;
			if (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-show').onclick = this.show;
				updateNewPostCount();
			}
			if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.realtime_paused) {
				Dsq.Realtime.disableInterval();
			} else {
				Dsq.Realtime.enableInterval();
			}
		}
	}

	this.show = function() {
		insertNewPosts();
		updateNewPostCount();
		return false;
	}

	this.check = function() {
		if (!ongoing_request && Dsq.jsonData.realtime_enabled) {
			if (prev_script) {
				prev_script.parentNode.removeChild(prev_script);
			}
			ongoing_request = true;
			prev_script = Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/18359283/realtime.js?timestamp=' + last_checked);
		}
	};

	this.update = function(timestamp, posts, users) {
		ongoing_request = false;
		last_checked = timestamp;

		if (users) {
			for (var user_id in users) {
				if (users.hasOwnProperty(user_id)) {
					if (!Dsq.jsonData.users[user_id]) {
						Dsq.jsonData.users[user_id] = users[user_id];
					}
				}
			}
		}

		if (posts) {
			for (var post_id in posts) {
				if (posts.hasOwnProperty(post_id)) {
					if (!Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id]) {
						Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] = posts[post_id];
						new_posts.push(post_id);
					}
				}
			}

			if (Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
				insertNewPosts();
			} else {
				updateNewPostCount();
			}
		}
	};

}();

// DEPRECATED
Dsq.Iframes = function() {
	// Different style of object from the above. Hoping to switch to this for some reason.
	var obj = {};

	// Private
	var showIframeInContainer = function(container, id, markup) {
		// Look through container for iframes, hiding them, except show one that matches id
		// If none of them matched id, create a new iframe using markup and insert it.
		// Returns the iframe node if and only if it was newly created.
		var found = false;
		for (var i=0; i<container.childNodes.length; i++) {
			var child = container.childNodes[i];
			if (child.nodeName == 'IFRAME') {
				if (child.id == id) {
					child.style.display = 'block';
					found = true;
				} else {
					child.style.display = 'none';
				}
			}
		}
		if (found) {
			return;
		}
		// The iframe wasn't found, so construct it and add it to the container.
		// Don't use innerHTML because it might reload iframes
		var div = document.createElement('div');
		div.innerHTML = markup;
		var iframe = div.childNodes[0];
		div.removeChild(iframe);
		container.appendChild(iframe);
		return iframe;
	};

	// Public
	obj.makeReplyIframeId = function(opt_postId, opt_xtype) {
		var id = 'dsq-post-add-iframe';
		if (opt_xtype) {
			id += '-' + opt_xtype;
		}
		if (opt_postId) {
			id += '-' + opt_postId;
		}
		return id;
	};
	obj.makeLoginIframeId = function(opt_postId) {
		if (!opt_postId) {
			return 'dsq-login-iframe';
		}
		return 'dsq-login-iframe-' + opt_postId;
	};
	obj.makeReplyIframeName = function(opt_postId, opt_xtype) {
		var name = 'dsq-reply-frame';
		if (opt_xtype) {
			name += '-' + opt_xtype;
		}
		if (opt_postId) {
			name += '-' + opt_postId;
		}
		return name;
	};
	obj.showReplyIframeInContainer = function(container, opt_postId, opt_extraParams, opt_className) {
		// Construct the id so we can check if it's already present.
		// Hide any other iframes we find, and show this one if it's found.
		var params = opt_extraParams || {};
		// use xtype in the id and name so we can distinguish media replies from text replies:
		var id = Dsq.Iframes.makeReplyIframeId(opt_postId, params.xtype);
		var name = Dsq.Iframes.makeReplyIframeName(opt_postId, params.xtype);
		var attributes = {
			'id': id,
			'name': name,
			'class': opt_className || 'dsq-post-reply'
			};
		var markup = Dsq.Templates.frameReply(opt_postId, opt_extraParams, attributes);
		var iframe = showIframeInContainer(container, id, markup);
		// It was newly created
		if (iframe) {
			Dsq.Events.fire(Dsq.Events.REPLY_IFRAME_CREATED, {
				postId: opt_postId,
				node: iframe,
				xtype: params.xtype
			});
		}
	};
	obj.showLoginIframeInContainer = function(container, opt_postId) {
		var id = Dsq.Iframes.makeLoginIframeId(opt_postId);
		var markup = Dsq.Templates.frameLogin({id: id});
		showIframeInContainer(container, id, markup);
	};
	obj.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed = function(container, opt_postId) {
		if (Dsq.jsonData.context.show_reply) {
			obj.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, opt_postId);
		} else {
			obj.hideAllInContainer(container);
		}
	};
	obj.hideAllInContainer = function(container) {
		for (var i=0; i<container.childNodes.length; i++) {
			var child = container.childNodes[i];
			if (child.nodeName == 'IFRAME') {
				child.style.display = 'none';
			}
		}
	};

	return obj;
}();

Dsq.Twitter = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.startTwitterConnect = function() {
		var popupParams = 'location=0,status=0,width=800,height=400';
		that._twitterWindow = window.open(Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/_ax/twitter/begin/', 'twitterWindow', popupParams);
		that._twitterInterval = window.setInterval(that.completeTwitterConnect, 1000);
	};

	this.completeTwitterConnect = function() {
		if (that._twitterWindow.closed) {
			window.clearInterval(that._twitterInterval);
			window.location.reload();
		}
	};
};

Dsq.Yahoo = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.startYahooConnect = function() {
		var popupParams = 'location=0,status=0,width=800,height=400';
		that._yahooWindow = window.open(Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/_ax/yahoo/begin/', 'yahooWindow', popupParams);
		that._yahooInterval = window.setInterval(that.completeYahooConnect, 1000);
	};

	this.completeYahooConnect = function() {
		if (that._yahooWindow.closed) {
			window.clearInterval(that._yahooInterval);
			window.location.reload();
		}
	};
};

Dsq.OpenID = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.requestURL = function() {
		var message = '<table class="dsq-openid-form"><tr><td style="vertical-align:top;" rowspan="2"><img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.media_url + '/images/openid-icon-100x100.png" /></td>';
		message += '<td><label for="dsq-openid-url">OpenID URL:</label></td><td><input type="text" id="dsq-openid-url" /></td></tr>';
		message += '<tr><td><label for="dsq-openid-username">Display name:</label></td><td><input type="text" id="dsq-openid-username" /></td></tr>';
		message += '<tr><td class="dsq-openid-submit" colspan="3"><input type="button" value="Sign in" onclick="Dsq.OpenID.startConnect();" /></td></tr>';
		message += "</table>";

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, 'Sign in using OpenID');
	};

	this.startConnect = function() {
		var isblank = function(str) {
			return /^\s*$/.test(str);
		};

		var openid_url = Dsq.$('dsq-openid-url').value;
		var username = Dsq.$('dsq-openid-username').value;

		if (isblank(openid_url)) {
			return;
		}

		var popupParams = 'location=0,status=0,width=800,height=500';
		var url = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/_ax/openid/begin/' + '?url=' + encodeURIComponent(openid_url) + '&username=' + encodeURIComponent(username);
		that._openidWindow = window.open(url, 'openidWindow', popupParams);
		that._openidInterval = window.setInterval(that.completeConnect, 1000);
	};

	this.completeConnect = function() {
		if (that._openidWindow.closed) {
			window.clearInterval(that._openidInterval);
			window.location.reload();
		}
	};
};

Dsq.Reaction = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.hide = function(id) {
		Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/hidereaction.js?' + 'reaction_id=' + id);
	};

	this.reportMissingReactions = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || !Dsq.jsonData.forum.reactions_enabled) {
			return;
		}

		if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.queued) {
			Dsq.Popup.popModal('Your report has been received. The system will automatically search for new reactions; if any are found, they will be displayed on this comment thread.<br/><br/>Thank&nbsp;you.',
												 'Reported missing reactions');
			return;
		}

		Dsq.Utils.execScript(Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/forums/scobleizer/queueurl.js');
	};
};

Dsq.CNN = function() {
	var obj = {};

	obj.authenticate = function() {
		var url = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + "/saml/cnn/try/";
		Dsq.Utils.postToUrl(url, {'target': document.location}, true);
	};

	return obj;
}();


if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) {
	(function() {
		DSQ_HEADER_AVATAR_RE = /<div class="dsq-header-avatar"(.*?)>/gim;
		Dsq.Templates.registerFilter('postPrependHeader', function(html, post_id) {
			// Add "onmouseout" for dsq-header-avatar for dropProfile
			// functionality since IE6 cannot use :hover.
			function _headerAvatarReplace(content, inner, _unused, html) {
				return '<div class="dsq-header-avatar" '
					+ inner
					+ ' onmouseout="Dsq.Post.dropProfile(' + post_id + ')">';
			}
			html = html.replace(DSQ_HEADER_AVATAR_RE, _headerAvatarReplace);
			return html;
		});
	})();
}





	// TODO: Move Seesmic code outside of the main script.  Don't let this script clobber the global namespace.
	if(typeof seesmic == 'undefined') { var seesmic = {}; }
	seesmic.widget = new function () {
		this.callback = function (data) {
			playerVersion = data.disqusplayer;
		};
	};

	
	var scriptEl = document.createElement('script');
	scriptEl.setAttribute('type', 'text/javascript');
	scriptEl.setAttribute('src', 'http://seesmic.com/version.js?callback=seesmic.widget.callback');
	document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(scriptEl);

	
	var scriptEl = document.createElement('script');
	scriptEl.setAttribute('type', 'text/javascript');
	scriptEl.setAttribute('src', 'http://media.disqus.com/javascript/library/swfobject.js');
	document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(scriptEl);

	function see_play_video(_videoUri, _add) {
		var swf = !!playerVersion ? playerVersion : 'http://seesmic.com/embeds/StandalonePlayer.swf';

		flashcontentDiv = Dsq.$(_videoUri + '_content');
		previewDiv = Dsq.$('dsq-seesmic-' + _videoUri + '_preview');
		hideDiv = Dsq.$('dsq-seesmic-' + _videoUri + '_hide');
		showDiv = Dsq.$('dsq-seesmic-' + _videoUri + '_show');
		if(_add) {
			// push flash widget
			var so = new SWFObject(swf, 'sotester', '300', '270', '9', '#000000');
			so.addVariable('video', _videoUri);
			so.addParam('allowFullScreen', 'true');
			so.addParam('allowScriptAccess','always');
			so.useExpressInstall('swfobject/expressinstall.swf');
			so.write(_videoUri + '_content');

			previewDiv.style.display = 'none';
			hideDiv.style.display = 'block';
			showDiv.style.display = 'none';
		}
		else {
			flashcontentDiv.innerHTML = '';
			previewDiv.style.display = 'block';
			hideDiv.style.display = 'none';
			showDiv.style.display = 'block';
		}
	};





(function() {
	//
	// Load theme.  This overrides the base templates with template functions
	// from the respective themes.
	//
	if (Dsq.jsonData.integration.theme == 4) {
		var theme = 'narcissus';
		// HACK: Set variable on window to use post message.
		window.disqus_use_postmessage = true;

		
		for(var prop in Dsq.Themes[theme]) {
			if(Dsq.Themes[theme] && Dsq.Themes[theme].hasOwnProperty(prop)) {
				Dsq.Templates[prop] = Dsq.Themes[theme][prop];
			}
		}
		
		for(var prop in Dsq.Post) {
			if(Dsq.Themes[theme] && Dsq.Themes[theme].hasOwnProperty(prop)) {
				Dsq.Post[prop] = Dsq.Themes[theme][prop];
			}
		}
	}

	//
	// Register templates.  This must be done after all themes are loaded.
	//
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('authPost', Dsq.Templates.authPost);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('header', Dsq.Templates.header);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('footer', Dsq.Templates.footer);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('trackbacks', Dsq.Templates.trackbacks);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('reactions', Dsq.Templates.reactions);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('prependPost', Dsq.Templates.prependPost);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('appendPost', Dsq.Templates.appendPost);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postPrependHeader', Dsq.Templates.postPrependHeader);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postAppendHeader', Dsq.Templates.postAppendHeader);
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632458" href="http://channel9.msdn.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">LaBomba</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632458" class="dsq-comment-message">Yup,<br><br>exactly...<br><br>simple and uncluttered. fast loading.<br>keeping it simple.<br><br>part of why i like your blog scoble...<br><br>links and the content, nothing else.<br><br>black and white.<br><br>exactly why i think people switched from Yahoo to google.<br><br>un-cluttered, short url, and it\'s fast.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632459">mabisa</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632459" class="dsq-comment-message">Certainly, craigslist and Google manage to be incredibly functional despite (because of?) their fugliness. However, MySpace pages are rarely "fast to load...[or] uncluttered," and don\'t really deserve to to be equated with sites that value simplicity such as the others you mention. (MySpace pages...*shudder*!)</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632461" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632461" href="http://www.geise.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">PXLated</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632461" class="dsq-comment-message">Robert, I think you\'re making a great leap with this post. I bet he has the traffic not because the site is "un-designed" but because he\'s studied SEO and it\'s a "free" "dating" site. As far as fast loading sites, one can make a lovely looking site and still make it a fast load. Google "is" designed, it just uses the "keep it simple stupid" approach.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632464" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632464" href="http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Robert Scoble</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632464" class="dsq-comment-message">It\'s not my leap to make. It was his words that keyed me into this trend. He says he\'s studied how various designs work and the uglier he made his site, the better the traffic went and, more importantly, the better his advertising did.<br><br>Other people I know have found exactly the same thing.<br><br>Even me. I have Microsoft\'s ugliest weblog.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632466" href="http://www.bronto.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Alex Foley</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632466" class="dsq-comment-message">I went to that site and immediately the first thing that I thought was that it lacked credibility.  The anti-marketing design approach works for well-established players who get good word-of-mouth recognition.  People use Google, Craigslist, etc., because someone else has told them to do so.  They\'ve found out through the media or a friend or however that that\'s the route to go.  If you\'re trying to introduce yourself to the web, a slick design is the best way to do it.  Look at all these Web 2.0 companies out there.  I\'d be willing to bet $100 that Newsvine got more people to subscribe to their email list with that beautiful signup page than another company that just has an input field and some text that says "We\'ll email you when we get our act together and finall release our product."  We shouldn\'t be quick to confuse simplicity and bad design.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632467">Tetra</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632467" class="dsq-comment-message">This is the site you\'re hyping? Its hideous. Its slow. It uses .NET? It looks like it barely out of 1996, nevermind 2006.<br><br>I\'m floored that this pile of shit gets $10,000 in ad revenue.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632469" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632469" href="http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Robert Scoble</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632469" class="dsq-comment-message">Tetra: are you also floored that MySpace gets 200,000 new spaces opened every day?<br><br>It\'s not slow here, by the way. I\'m at the Apple store in Palo Alto and it pulls up faster than most blogs do.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632471" href="http://larrymyers.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Larry</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632471" class="dsq-comment-message">Scoble,<br><br>I don\'t think it\'s so much that ugly designs are better, I think it\'s important to note that -usable- designs are better than pretty designs.  If making a website pretty sacrifices usability then it probably isn\'t a good choice.<br><br>Now making a website fast loading, usable, and aethetically pleasing to the eye?<br><br>That\'s hard to do, which is why there are A-list web designers out there that get paid a lot of money to do such a thing.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632473" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632473" href="http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Robert Scoble</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632473" class="dsq-comment-message">Tetra: oh, and the fact that you think I\'m hyping it means you aren\'t a very careful reader. I basically said this site has an ugly design. But, then, so does mine and you probably can\'t figure out why people come here either.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632475" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632475" href="http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Robert Scoble</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632475" class="dsq-comment-message">Larry: yeah, there definitely is something to usability, but there\'s something to being anti-corporate too. MySpace is popular BECAUSE it doesn\'t look "professional." It\'s approachable. And, it looks like something that would keep the parents away.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632477" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632477" href="http://www.geise.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">PXLated</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632477" class="dsq-comment-message">"Other people I know have found exactly the same thing"<br>I think there are way too many factors involved to begin to attribute success to one thing (or even several), especially for blogging notables like yourself. And, sorry, you are making the leap because you seem to believe what he says, are transferring his success to a generality, and have promoted it. ;-)</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632478" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632478" href="http://cnewmark.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Craig Newmark</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632478" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632478" class="dsq-comment-message">Well, they say we have the "visual appeal of a pipe wrench", intended and taken as a compliment.<br><br>Craig</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632481" href="http://nevali.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Mo</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632481" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632481" class="dsq-comment-message">You know, ‘adding a bit of weight to your CSS file’ should make no odds to your mobile experience if you have media-specific stylesheets (which you do a point, though there\'s no ‘mobile’ stylesheet so many browsers will fall back to your ‘screen’ one).<br><br>There\'s always a balance that can be struck. A site can be good-looking AND fast. A site can be good-looking AND useable. A site can be good-looking AND non-corporate. A site can be good-looking AND be well-optimised for search engines (which nowadays isn\'t very difficult at all—it\'s all about the content).<br><br>It\'s not rocket science, it\'s just not a sleepwalk.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632483">Dmad</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632483" class="dsq-comment-message">Myspace is not popular because of its anti-design, it\'s popular because of word of mouth.  I rather doubt kids that go there went because they throught the design sucked. Like a previous poster said, they are sites are popular because they solve a need, not because of how they are or are not designed. If it\'s slick but yet usable then it doesn\'t matter how slick it is.  No one cares about design as much as they do about usability.  And you say you work for Microsoft, huh?  sheesh.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632485">larry</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632485" class="dsq-comment-message">Robert,<br><br>Sure, but....<br><br>What\'s at the root of it all?<br><br>In my opinion its that the types of sites that you are talking about (inc. yours) are:<br><br>* non threatening<br>* speak with a human voice<br><br>You must agree.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632487" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632487" href="http://www.richbrownell.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Richard Brownell</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632487" class="dsq-comment-message">Some guy thinking his site does well because it is ugly does not make it true. This topic has become a trend recently. People say these sites are successful because of bad and/or ugly designs. That\'s just idiotic. That\'s like saying if I pee in your martini, you\'ll like it better. The most popular cars would be the ugly ones. People would only watch TV and movies with ugly people.<br><br>I\'m going to a geek dinner in Providence, RI soon and I sincerely hope nobody serves me a peetini. I prefer not to have distasteful things. If the rest of the world does and that\'s the key to these sites\' success, then I\'ll say in a heartbeat the rest of the world is made up of tasteless morons. Is that how you think Microsoft should do their marketing? :P</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-16777618" href="http://DateandRate.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Don</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-16777618" class="dsq-comment-message">This article is ridiculous the claim that because something is ugly it does well.   Check out <a href="http://DateandRate.com" rel="nofollow">DateandRate.com</a> just started looks way better than them, probably doesnt make as much money. But im willing to bet in 2 years theyll be bigger than <a href="http://PlentyofFish.com" rel="nofollow">PlentyofFish.com</a>.  The fact of the matter is it does matter how your website looks and how its designed.   Im sure their income comes from some job or old money that some guy feels like spending on his website.   Its all about outcome of advertising dollars and the competition,  free dating sites???  How many of them are really out there? I can tell you not alot.. and definitely alot of them arent like the site I told you <a href="http://about%28DateandRate.com" rel="nofollow">about(DateandRate.com</a>) so it leaves for little competition until recently.   All I have to say is I predict this site will expand faster then POF has thus far with the same amount of time</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632489" href="http://hman.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Henry</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632489" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632489" class="dsq-comment-message">I agree with Alex Foley. Should I have gone to that site, which may I add I have no reason to, I too would have questioned its credibility, as quite often people associate scam and phishing websites with such, dare I say low-quality designs.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632490">met</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632490" class="dsq-comment-message">so this is the new \'it\' ?<br>Don\'t worry folks on the clean side, when this becomes the norm, clean/planned/interface will be the mavericks.<br><br>It just keeps fluctuating, be flexible.<br><br>And that site is successful, because the front page loads with more \'women looking for men\' than \'men looking for women\' (I tried refreshing 3 or 4 times to make sure :) )</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632492">Guido</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632492" class="dsq-comment-message">Hmm, Robert...<br><br>The first impression I got when I entered that site was exactly "cluttered, hard to use", not the other way around. If he designed his site to be very usable and uncluttered, well... he might as well try again.<br><br>&gt;&gt; "What’s the secret to his success? Ugly design."<br><br>"Huh" I ask. So I put up an ugly website and instantly have revenue, while I\'m dead if I have a pretty website? Have you even thought about this before posting it? Ugly sites _can_ be successful, but it has for sure nothing to do with them being ugly.<br><br>And yours, by the way, is actually one of the less ugly Microsoft blogs. Seriously.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632494" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632494" href="http://www.ugather.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Jason L. Baptiste</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632494" class="dsq-comment-message">I think most of us tech people, realize that most of the world isn\'t used to nice Web 2.0 designs and crazy graphics.  Most are used to not so great looking sites.  Here\'s why craigs list, google, and plentyoffish (pof) work... they are easy to use and give the user what they want. Craigs list is free to sell, simple UI to find what I need, and works quickly.  Google, gives me great search results, is easy to use, and works quickly.  POF seems to do the same; I can find people, message them, and hopefully get what I\'m looking for.  Whether you have a beauty or a beast, it comes down to giving the user what they came to get and quickly.  Just my two cents.<br><br>-Jason L. Baptiste</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632496" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632496">Keith Patrick</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632496" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632496" class="dsq-comment-message">I dont\' think it\'s the anti-marketing aspect per se; rather, it\'s that they aren\'t distracted by the bullshit that marketing folks try to insert into the product...trying to sell sizzle instead of steak.  Look at Drudge or Aint-it-cool.  Is it the fugliness of the site that brings people?  No, because that\'s just another kind of marketing.  It\'s what they\'re pushing and who their audience is; making them look nicer would help, but the audiences are so loyal to what they\'re pushing that they\'ll still show up.  It\'s when marketing folks (and MS is getting REAL bad about this) start overanalyzing and overcontrolling the end result that things start going downhill.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632498" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632498" href="http://www.financialaidpodcast.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Christopher Penn</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632498" class="dsq-comment-message">MySpace is popular for two reasons.<br><br>In the beginning, it offered unprecedented customization for people unfamiliar with web design, and unwilling to go the route of managing a home page.<br><br>Metcalf\'s law has taken effect now - the value of MySpace today is proportional to the number of people on it. In order for someone to dethrone MySpace, they have to offer both the features and the population.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632501" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632501">Goebbels</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632501" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632501" class="dsq-comment-message">"Why does anti-marketing design work? Well, for one, big companies will never do a site that doesn’t look pretty."<br><br>That\'s not an explanation. That\'s completely non sequitar.<br><br>"But, go deeper: we’re sick of committee-driven marketing."<br><br>This isn\'t true. Companies still succeed with polished, highly-developed marketing.<br><br>"That’s why my Channel 9 videos work."<br><br>Oh, I see: someone\'s trying to rationalize his own crappy work because of recent criticism.<br><br>"My design is ugly."<br><br>Your design is no different than a million other template driven blogs.<br><br>"It’s amazing how few corporate types get that the quality and engineering thought behind your HTML matters more than whether your site is pretty or not."<br><br>You seem to be confusing yourself: is marketing only skin deep or is it also thoughtful design. You crap together your videos and use a basic template so you aren\'t doing much marketing. Google very much is marketing and it\'s very sophisticated and polished. Craigslist was admittedly crude because he didn\'t know any better but it continues to get more sophisticated while retaining thecrude look because people are familiar with it.<br><br>However, the notion that crude or basic sites are anti-marketing is wrong, the notion that we are no immune to elaborate, superficial marketing is wrong, the notion that simple designs succeed because of it (without discussing the utility) or that sophisticated designs fail despite their content is wrong.<br><br>So: NO!!</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632502" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632502" href="http://www.geise.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">PXLated</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632502" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632502" class="dsq-comment-message">"you probably can’t figure out why people come here either"<br>----------<br>Oh ya, that\'s easy...you\'re Microsoft. And, that gives you the travel budget to go smooze "every" conference/country, "A/B/C/D" list blogger on the planet. Can you honestly get up in the morning, look in the mirror and say that you\'d be as popular if you weren\'t at Microsoft and Winer and the rest hadn\'t adopted you?<br>Highly doubt it.<br>----------<br>"MySpace is popular BECAUSE it doesn’t look “professional."<br>Pure unadulterated "bullshit".</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632504" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632504" href="http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">scobleizer</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632504" class="dsq-comment-message">PXLated: I had 1,000 to 8,000 readers a day before I was here at Microsoft. I have no idea whether or not I would have ended up at 17,000, but the trend line was clear well before I joined Microsoft.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632506">met</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632506" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632506" class="dsq-comment-message">But why did Microsoft recruit him or Winer adopt him ?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632507" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632507" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632507" href="http://saulweiner.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Saul Weiner</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632507" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632507" class="dsq-comment-message">I think we shouldn\'t all assume one size fits all for every webpage. Some work best when they are slick (look at Apple and BMW and Tivo). At teh end of the day, if one website paradigm fit everyone, there would be no innovation in this regard. Let\'s try stick away from black and white arguments.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632509" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632509" href="http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">scobleizer</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632509" class="dsq-comment-message">Met: why did Microsoft recruit me? Cause I sold an executive a Tablet PC (after meeting me in a newsgroup, ironically enough, not on my blog, but I was the only OEM rep who frequented the Tablet PC newsgroups so I stood out as someone who cared about customers and who understood the importance of hanging out where they hung out).<br><br>Why did Winer adopt me? Cause I hired him to speak at a conference and I recognized early on that he was doing something brilliant and told him so.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632511" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632511">james</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632511" class="dsq-comment-message">Bad design (visual, not code) is the new good design?</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632513" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632513">Tetra</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632513" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632513" class="dsq-comment-message">"I don’t think it’s so much that ugly designs are better, I think it’s important to note that -usable- designs are better than pretty designs."<br><br>Ah, finally someone making sense! I don\'t think Robert understands that aesthetics and functionality aren\'t mutually exclusive.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632514" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632514" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632514" href="http://billoday.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Bill O&#39;Day</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632514" class="dsq-comment-message">I think that there are two issues here:<br><br>1.  Good design (as in attractive and easy to use/simple) will never hurt a cause, it can usually help.<br><br>2.  Staid and committee-based content will always kill.<br><br>The Channel 9 videos work not because they look amateur, but because they look genuine and real.  Real is always good, but if your videos were made with more professional equipment, they would still succeed.  At least as long as the people in them weren\'t reading from a script.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632516" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632516" href="http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">scobleizer</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632516" class="dsq-comment-message">Tetra: really? Ever been to an art museum? How is any of that stuff hanging on the wall functional? You CAN be aesthetic without having any functionality. You CAN be functional without being aesthetic. But, you CAN also be both. If that\'s what you want me to understand, fine, I get it.<br><br>Bill: how professional, though? I find that there\'s a line where people stop being candid and start acting. Also, the more professional the equipment, the more expert the user needs to be to run it. So, now, you need a camera crew and all of a sudden Channel 9\'s genuineness evaporates.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632517" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632517" href="http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">scobleizer</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632517" class="dsq-comment-message">Bill,<br><br>The thing about good design is that it\'s in the eye of the beholder. Good design to a designer usually looks much different than good design to my eye does.<br><br>Also, I don\'t live in the world the way I wish it to be, but how it actually is and Markus isn\'t the first guy to tell me his "ugly" site is doing better the uglier he makes it. (Better meaning, brings in more dollars in revenue and keeps users around longer).</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632519" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632519" href="http://blog.trustoncorp.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Tom F</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632519" class="dsq-comment-message">Robert,<br><br>Do you know what platform he uses for his forums on PlentyofFish? If not can you ask and post about it? Thanks!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632521" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632521" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632521">Dave</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632521" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632521" class="dsq-comment-message">Doesn\'t the success of the design depend on the audience? For a teenager who is looking to rebel against the corporate world, an "anti-corporate" design will be attractive by definition. However, if you\'re a manager at a large corporation then you\'ll probably be turned off by the anti-corporate approach.<br><br>What I think is interesting is how wide spread the non-corporate approach is becoming for consumer-driven sites. There seems to be an assumption that anyone using the net is anti-corporate, and I think these days that\'s a pretty big assumption.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632523" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632523" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632523">Tetra</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632523" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632523" class="dsq-comment-message">"But, you CAN also be both. If that’s what you want me to understand, fine, I get it."<br><br>Uh, congratulations?</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632525" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632525" href="http://www.roedig.com/blog" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Tobias Roedig</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632525" class="dsq-comment-message">Scoble, what you refering to is not really "marketing" itself. You are talking about one part of a marketing strategy. Marketing is not just how something looks. It involves relationships to customers, brand image, product placement, advertisment and many, many more. And this point was made previously in the comments, functional is not equal to ugly and "beautiful" is a perception everyone needs to make for themselves... You might think Google\'s startpage is ugly, I perceive it as slim, functional and good looking. MSN on the other hand appears to me personally very ugly. But it has more to do with the overload of content than the design!<br>The point I want to make is that design is not really marketing, just one part of it. My two cents... ;-)</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632527">Innocent Bystander</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632527" class="dsq-comment-message">You know, for a web 2.0 beatiful ajax, cheerleader, new, new, new.  This doesn\'t seem to mesh.  Either something is beautiful and well done, or its slap dash and not.  Ugly as a virtue?  Only someone from MS would claim this.<br><br>FWIW, you can do a fast loading beautiful site and provide media specific CSS to rearrange it.  CSS is cheap (properly done) and can improve both load times and readability.<br><br>FWIW, I did a little trolling on the fish site and found one woman who listed 11 conditions for compatibility.  #11?  Must not work at Microsoft.  Ha!</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632529" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632529" href="http://www.roedig.com/blog" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Tobias Roedig</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632529" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632529" class="dsq-comment-message">"Either something is beautiful and well done, or its slap dash and not. Ugly as a virtue?"<br>Innocent Bystander, it is all about perceptions...</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632531" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632531" href="http://pichetonsoftware.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Francois Pichet</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632531" class="dsq-comment-message">I browsed <a href="http://www.plentyoffish.com" rel="nofollow">www.plentyoffish.com</a> for about 10 mins and twice I accidentally clicked on a google ads. Maybe that\'s the secret. Design your site so that people will inadvertanly click on ads.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632532" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632532" href="http://if.psfk.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Piers Fawkes</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632532" class="dsq-comment-message">Target, BMW, Apple aren\'t crafted by ad departments. They\'re crafted by the fact that everyone is involved in the brand. They live and breathe it. They actually do what you say: the brands were "done for the love of it"<br><br>To say, that we\'ve created \'bullsh*t filters\' for good design ignores the huge design trend permeating society: Method products, the next Dodge Challenger, American Apparel, the rise of the prefab. There\'s so much love of good design these days - you may think you\'ve cracked it with your website design, but to me the apparent absence of any care whatsoever, says that you have little love for what you do.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632533" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632533" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632533">Brian S</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632533" class="dsq-comment-message">There\'s always been a trend among "get rich quick" sites for ugly design (highlighted text, huge fonts, etc) and I always wondered why they couldn\'t hire a good designer since they were making so much money.  They figured out that ugly designs pull more revenue a long time ago.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632534" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632534" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632534">Jason Hawryluk</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632534" class="dsq-comment-message">Sorry Robert, this post, and your opinion, is way off. To think otherwise is against human nature. Everything you do, eat , wear, use, see, smell, and touch lures you by design. The esthetics are the first lure, all other senses fall into place after that, unless of course there is a smell.<br><br>Since we have yet to invent an internet, software product, or inanimate(none active) object that actually smell’s (good, or bad) I just can’t for the life of me get my head around this thinking. Microsoft smells of it, it’s everywhere.<br><br>Poor design, on the contrary to what you have stated here, gives an impression of no thought, nor interest to the end user experience. Any successful product that would purposely do this, and then state that the bad design is by design, owes it’s successes to luck. Nothing more nothing less.<br><br>If poor design was the secret ingredient in the work that we do, then nothing as we know it, would be as it is.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632535" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632535" href="http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">scobleizer</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632535" class="dsq-comment-message">Piers, I agree with you. But, to do so, I must sound arrogant and elitist and hierarchical. Which is what good design does. What\'s the first thing I learned about laying out a photo page? One picture must be at least twice as big as the second. Why? Cause our minds like hierarchies and order.<br><br>Anti-marketing (er, anti-corporate) design works because there are many people in society who want to be different.<br><br>And, if you think that Apple, Target, or BMW\'s design isn\'t done by committees of brand experts, I have a bridge I\'d like to sell you. They\'ve done their work so well that you believe they do it all for love.<br><br>Have you ever met anyone who has worked inside those companies?</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632536" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632536" href="http://funkive.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Terrence Wood</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632536" class="dsq-comment-message">FOF works despite it\'s design, not because of it.<br><br>Some people do think <a href="http://www.acm.org/ubiquity/views/v7i07_pfeiffer.html" rel="nofollow">style matters</a> (see point 4).</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632537" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632537" href="http://funkive.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Terrence Wood</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632537" class="dsq-comment-message">erm that should be POF not FOF.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632539" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632539">PaulIrving</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632539" class="dsq-comment-message">Here\'s another ugly design who seems to be doing well: <a href="http://our.imgseek.net/" rel="nofollow">http://our.imgseek.net/</a><br><br>It\'s for a site for social photo bookmarking: you can search similar images, tag, rate and get recommendations.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632541" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632541" href="http://jcraveiro.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">jcraveiro</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632541" class="dsq-comment-message">Well, from where I stand, the secret of all the cash is simple: a subscription free dating site, SEO\'d to serve ads from its competitor (subscription-based) dating sites.<br><br>I think that the "ugly" matter is not central to it, except maybe for the fact that he doesn\'t have much fanciness to \'dilute\' the keywords --- he even puts his site\'s title in an image with an ALT attribute that doesn\'t match it, giving, instead, more ad-friendly keywords. And speaking of ALT attributes, look at those of the users\' pictures...</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632543" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632543">J. Random Poster</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632543" class="dsq-comment-message">Big companies do ugly sites ALL THE TIME, they just don\'t REALIZE it.  Had a look at the main CNN or MSNBC pages lately?  Hideous!</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632544" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632544" href="http://mickeleh.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">mickeleh</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632544" class="dsq-comment-message">Robert, I think you\'re on to something, but at the same time, you\'re muddling a couple of things. Communication that comes across as direct rather than overly manicured will cut through a lot of bull***t filters.<br><br>But here\'s where IMHO you get muddled:<br><br>Good design isn\'t necessarily pretty or decorative. In fact, many pretty sites are prime examples of bad design.<br><br>One of the most useful definitions of design is from Charles Eames: "A plan for arranging elements to accomplish a particular purpose." You cannot judge design without knowing the purpose. Google from day one had one of the most brilliant designs ever put on the Web.<br><br>Good design is not necessarily aided nor hindered by collaboration. One person can do crap. Ten people can do great design. It\'s all a matter of purpose.<br><br>Fast-loading is a useful purpose for anything on the Web. It is served by light-weight CSS, light-weight images. Your blog isn\'t ugly -- or bad design for serving a purpose.<br><br>Fast-posting without a lot of foodle-doodling is another useful purpose.<br><br>Given the social purpose of <a href="http://plentyoffish.com" rel="nofollow">plentyoffish.com</a>, it does well by not upstaging the posts of the participants with irrelevant esthetical crap.<br><br>Brands in general don\'t need to be beautiful. The three you singled out, however, Apple, BMW, and Target, have adopted design as a marketable feature. Not that there\'s anything wrong with that. In fact, it\'s working well for them.<br><br>As for dismissing love as part of communications... If that\'s preposterous, then get to the Microsoft marketing committees quickly. They\'re spending a lot of ad dollars trying to "passion" onto the meaning of the Microsoft brand. But it\'s not preposterous for people to have passion in what they do. Or love.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632546" href="http://www.lukew.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">LukeW</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632546" class="dsq-comment-message">More than once, I’ve been presented with the following sentiment: “we don’t want our Web site to look too good.” From Internet executives to the leadership of Web 2.0 start-ups, the rationale is that when a site seems too “professional” it loses its appeal. It feels corporate and no longer genuine -as if authenticity can be communicated by lack of visual refinement. There are of course plenty of examples to point to (Craig’s List, MySpace, del.icio.us).<br><br>Without getting into the typical form vs. function debate (yes, sites need to be useful and usable!), I’ll explain things the way I do whenever a client of mine makes this assertion. First of all, dismissing visual design as just a matter of “making things pretty” cuts off your ability to communicate with your customers at the knees. Design is a solution to communication not mere styling. Each product (via its interface design) needs to “tell” users what features it offers (its utility), how to use those features (its usability), and why they should care (its desirability).<br><br>Second, even if you deliberately don’t think about your site’s personality during the development process, you will end up with one anyway. The colors, content, and visual elements (or lack of all three) of your Web site all make an impression on your audience, intentional or not. Therefore, it is in your best interests to be aware of the personality you are creating for your site and make certain it is telling the story you want.<br><br>Yet many sites with a poor visual presentation remain popular on the merits of their content alone. But does their audience enjoy bumping through the site’s awkward graphics and hard to read labels? No, but the personality of the content (it could be high quality, funny, worthwhile, and more) makes the rest bearable. Would their audience be happier if the personality of the presentation matched the personality of the content? Of course. They like the content, don’t they? Such a site would be well served to improve their presentation. Not only would it enrich their current customers’ experience, but a presentation that reflects the site’s content would tell the site’s story to newcomers as well. Hey, we have quality content, come take a look.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632548" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632548" href="http://www.zoliblog.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Zoli Erdos</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632548" class="dsq-comment-message">It\'s not just the design that\'s ugly, but some of the posts, too, althought I guess he can\'t do a whole lot to "fix" user created junk. This one\'s from the front page:<br>"looking fo a real nigga<br>Yea, wus up this ya girl sexyfidethang and i wanna holla at the real niggas so let me take a second to tell yall bout me, bet!"</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632550" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632550" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632550" href="http://www.SiliconValleyWatcher.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Tom Foremski</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632550" class="dsq-comment-message">You\'ve got to be kidding, right, Robert? PlentyofFish is about sex and dating--not about design or anti-design...<br><br>Take a look at my site for anti-design (<a href="http://siliconvalleywatcher.com" rel="nofollow">siliconvalleywatcher.com</a>,) my buddy Om at <a href="http://Gigaom.com" rel="nofollow">Gigaom.com</a> has a beautifully pristine site and I think it looks way too corporate. I like mine, it\'s far from perfect, just like me :-)</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632552" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632552" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632552" href="http://www.imyim.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">wwAnderson</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632552" class="dsq-comment-message">Alan Silva, a one-time bassist with Cecil Taylor and then the leader of his own thirteen-piece orchestra, made the point in an interview I did with him for Rolling Stone.<br>  "I don\'t want to make music that sounds nice," Silva told me. "I want to make music that opens the possibility of real spiritual communion between people. There\'s a flow coming from every individual, a continuous flow of energy coming from the subconscious level.<br><a href="http://www.cosmoetica.com/OO4-RL1.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cosmoetica.com/OO4-RL1.htm</a><br><br>Difficult to see the world bottom-up, but that how hierarchies IS now.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632554" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632554" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632554">Goebbels</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632554" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632554" class="dsq-comment-message">"But, to do so, I must sound arrogant and elitist and hierarchical. Which is what good design does."<br><br>I thought this was bad; get it straight? By positing the notion that anti-marketing as a marketing strategy you have created a marketing strategy that\'s more disingenious than any other by claiming it\'s anything other than another marketing strategy. Now, you say you need to be arrogant to be good? No, you have to be arrogant (and foolish) to create the bad impression "marketing" has as a word even though it\'s simply about maximizing your product\'s market.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632556" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632556" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632556">JoeVolcano</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632556" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632556" class="dsq-comment-message">I don\'t think its anti-marketing. Its just less. This site is "just enough" The value proposition is clear and on the first page. "This is a 100% Free Dating Service - NO Charges EVER" Just like google it presents its "stuff" with a minimal of supporting crap. Speaking your truth - its not anti marketing, it the right amount. This might not work in other markets, but for dating/sex and hightly desired free services (<a href="http://myspace.com" rel="nofollow">myspace.com</a>) the functionality is more important than the marketing. (Can people use it effectively) myspace is a great example - it isn\'t very spiffy - doesn\'t work very well - its servers are overwhelmed so its perpetually slow - yet it still gets used ALOT. (Are we back to the sex thing again?)<br><br>Maybe there is another category for frugal marketing...<br><br>As for the tech/platform - I have deployed 100\'s of sites on Windows (ColdFusion mainly) and ASP. Like anything else - you have to dive in deep enough to "own" it, make it secure and work for you. It DOES work (well!).<br><br>Toodles.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632558" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632558">Wanderer</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632558" class="dsq-comment-message">Something that everyone seems to be missing, including Mr. Scoble:<br><br>The PoF website is not actually selling anything to its users. It does not, in fact, depend on them doing much more than just looking around. Its revenue comes from the Google ads. In short, it doesn\\\'t matter if the site is credible, appealing, or much else, so long as it gets huge numbers of hits (it\\\'s basically offering \\"free sex\\", of course it gets traffic) and some of those people click on another site\\\'s ad.<br><br>Its low-budget, amateurish appearance may be working here <i>because</i> it encourages visitors to go elsewhere. And what\\\'s the best route to \\"elsewhere\\" when you\\\'re on PoF and looking for a hot date? Click on of those Google ads conveniently placed on every page. They may actually have made \\"lure the visitors here, then drive them away screaming\\" into a viable business model.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632561" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632561" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632561" href="http://wwander.com/NYc/bp6.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">wwAnderson</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632561" class="dsq-comment-message">Dealey Plaza where Kennedy became hamburger..., or the Apple Store?<br><br>History is the moment, and design is truth in saying.  The essential fact is that people imitate success, amnd the world goes to hell.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632563" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632563" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632563" href="http://www.smallestviolin.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Smallest Violin</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632563" class="dsq-comment-message">I have also found that most of my sites get better click through rates on adsense and the like if the site is pretty plain, ugly, etc.  The ads stick out more... maybe we\'ll see more of these!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632565" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632565" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632565" href="http://hollysmovies.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Holly</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632565" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632565" class="dsq-comment-message">I really think that PlentyOfFish success was from the owners knowledge of SEO (Seach Engine Optimization).  But you\'re right, if a site is simple but the loading time and functionality work perfectly, all you need is traffic.  It has always been the 90% factor of a website\'s success is from the traffic. Just my own opinion.  Thanks guys.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632567" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632567" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632567" href="http://www.weblogstop.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Alan @ Weblogstop</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632567" class="dsq-comment-message">I think Markus at <a href="http://PlentyOfFish.com" rel="nofollow">PlentyOfFish.com</a> has it figured out. He\'s offering the service of a basic human need and he\'s doing it for free...totally free, not tricks.<br><br>Sure it\'s ugly, but it\'s one guy\'s site with no corporate BS. He just did it to provide the service.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632570" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632570" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632570" href="http://www.dictionaryofwords.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Dictionary of Words</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632570" class="dsq-comment-message">I remember the movie "Crazy People" and the anti marketing strategy...same concept.<br>I think it will work with a large dose of good luck...</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632572" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632572" href="http://www.tabu.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Sandwalker</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632572" class="dsq-comment-message">People do not visit a site for the design, whether it\'s pretty or ugle.  It\'s not that ugly design makes money, it\'s that the site must not upstage the ads.  Most TV commercials cost more than the TV shows they run on, and many are more entertaining.<br><br>Another factor to consider, the site mentioned has mass links (300k in yahoo alone, 10k in msn, 4k in google), all natural links of course 8-P.  With that many links and traffic, to put up a graphically intense site would kill his bandwidth.<br><br>So of course most high traffic, successful sites are low graphics with simple designs.  Load fast, get links, show off your ads.  Very simple formula.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632574" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632574" href="http://www.houb.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Charbello</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632574" class="dsq-comment-message">I guess secret behind plentyoffish is search engine search for anydating keyword in any search engine and plentyoffish always on top . Get back to work guys to make $10000  per year lol</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632576" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632576" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632576" href="http://www.onlinepersonalswatch.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Mark Brooks</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632576" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632576" class="dsq-comment-message">Craigslist and Plentyoffish and Friendster (v1.0) worked because they were unassuming, humble and almost anticommercial looking.  They weren\'t selling.  People hate to be sold to but they love to buy.  We\'re reaching a turning point in consumer marketing (once again).  People want recommendations and referrals and...they don\'t want the pitch, the USP, glossy ad, the close.  Craigslist and Plentyoffish offer tons of utility with no BS...and no cost.  Nice.  People rave!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632579" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632579" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632579" href="http://www.onlinepersonalswatch.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Mark Brooks</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632579" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632579" class="dsq-comment-message">Oh, I run <a href="http://www.onlinepersonalswatch.com" rel="nofollow">www.onlinepersonalswatch.com</a> and have been in the online personals industry since 1998 btw.  I worked for Friendster, Friendfinder and Cupid amongst others.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632580" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632580" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632580" href="http://home.casema.nl/toorn/keywords/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Marcel</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632580" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632580" class="dsq-comment-message">Why not just setup a site around the highest paying keywords?<br><a href="http://home.casema.nl/toorn/keywords/" rel="nofollow">Top paying keywords</a></div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632582" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632582" href="http://www.xerraireart.com/blog" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Barbara (Xerraire)</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632582" class="dsq-comment-message">That would explain why DrudgeReport also is so popular, its the ugliest site I\'ve ever seen, yet, busy and well visited.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632584" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632584" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632584" href="http://www.menuserve.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">eric</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632584" class="dsq-comment-message">Not only drudge but <a href="http://www.andrewshaffer.com" rel="nofollow">www.andrewshaffer.com</a> has taken off with a similar design as drudge.  <a href="http://www.menuserve.com" rel="nofollow">www.menuserve.com</a> has  a design for success!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632586" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632586" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632586" href="http://www.menuserve.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">eric</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632586" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632586" class="dsq-comment-message">that post above should have been <a href="http://www.drewsnewsroom.com" rel="nofollow">www.drewsnewsroom.com</a> not the <a href="http://andrewshaffer.com" rel="nofollow">andrewshaffer.com</a></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632588" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632588" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632588">Dan</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632588" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632588" class="dsq-comment-message">Excellent site. Well done.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632591" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632591" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632591" href="http://plumsauce.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">plumsauce</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632591" class="dsq-comment-message">Well I guess his mailboxes must be pretty full. But, I found his phone! Hope I get through.<br><br>For Canadians, plentyoffish is pretty sticky. After all, who can help looking around to see if there is a better deal there. Granted, anyone else may not have that reaction. But that might change once it spreads to any particular readers geographic location.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632592" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632592" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632592" href="http://www.nerdystuff.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Chris P</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632592" class="dsq-comment-message">It\'s not anti-marketing marketing that\'s the reason for the bad design.<br><br>It\'s the fact that if you have loads of crappy fonts all over the place the GOOGLE TEXT ADS look like they are internal links or editorial links and people are more likely to click on them.<br><br>People confuse the real content from the ads.<br><br>If you have a nice clean design, the ads always stand out as ads and people ignore them.<br><br>Chris</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632594" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632594" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632594" href="http://www.nerdystuff.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Chris P</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632594" class="dsq-comment-message">Just been doing a view source...<br><br>The page uses font tags with the face, size, color, etc for things like titles of posts and uses a lot of tables.<br><br>Most of the presentation seems to be handled in the html page rather than in a CSS file (which would only need to be loaded once and then it would be stored in the browser).<br><br>This would argue against the simple design being used for speed. You could *decrease* the weight of these pages with correct use of CSS and hence speed up loading.<br><br>He could further decrease the weight by getting rid of all the nested tables in the design and replacing them with divs.<br><br>Not that any of this really matters - the main reason why he\'s kept the design the way it is, is because more people will click on the ads which is the main aim of the site (as well as retaining visitors - who probably don\'t care if it\'s not the fasted loading site in the world).<br><br>A lot of well SEO\'ed sites like this have not been \'designed\'. I\'m sure if a nicely designed site used the same SEO tactics it would do just as well in terms of visitors - although would probably get less clicks on the ads.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632596" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632596" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632596" href="http://www.plentyoffish.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Markus</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632596" class="dsq-comment-message">Seems everyone has a theory why my site is big. Keep in mind less then half a percent of visitors per day are new. Sub  80 cent CPM per day, is on the extreme low end of monitization via adsense.  I care more about making the site big and useful then milking it for $.<br><br>I think the most impressive thing is I have only 4 servers. NO other dating site this size has less then 200 servers and 200 staff and a 1 million in technical costs per month.<br><br>1. 1 DB server<br>2. 1 Web server running IIS 6, handles 1 million pageviews an hour at peak. No static pages at all, way to slow. All pages are Gzipped on the fly.<br>3. 1 Mail Server. Handles 1 million emails/day and also has a webserver that handles a Instant messager. That translates to 4-5 million polling pageviews/hour at peak.<br>4. 1 Image server, Like all major sites it serves images to a massive content distribution system/cache.<br>5. Outbound traffic is 70 to 100mb/sec If it was uncompressed it would probably run at 140mb/sec<br><br>My design my be bad, my html not so good etc. But this site was started as a little side project to teach myself <a href="http://asp.net" rel="nofollow">asp.net</a> and to provide something for free.  I certainlly didn\'t expect to create a accidental dating empire. I\'m just proud of the fact I was able to code every line of code in this site, design and write every page and just create something huge that is used by millions.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632598" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632598" href="http://www.tnareview.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Sandy</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632598" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632598" class="dsq-comment-message">Wow I just finished reading the first part of this, sounds like Marcus is a real genious.<br><a href="http://www.tnareview.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tnareview.com</a></div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632602" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632602" href="http://www.planetarcades.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Roger</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632602" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632602" class="dsq-comment-message">Awesome, I could only dream about making so much a day :)</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632603" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632603" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632603" href="http://www.daterater.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Marc</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632603" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632603" class="dsq-comment-message">I don\'t think the site is ugly at all.  I think it\'s intuitive.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632605" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632605" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632605" href="http://bologma.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Karl</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632605" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632605" class="dsq-comment-message">Seems a more recent story that is a ripoff of yours:<br><br><a href="http://www.site-reference.com/articles/Website-Development/The-Surprising-Truth-About-Ugly-Websites.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.site-reference.com/articles/Website-...</a><br><br>is gaining a lot of attention (slashdot, digg).</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632607" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632607" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632607">P-Brain</span>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632607" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632607" class="dsq-comment-message">It sure isn\'t his domain name that makes it successful. Plenty Offish?<br><br>P-Brain</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632610" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632610" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632610" href="http://edate.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">sharon</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632610" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632610" class="dsq-comment-message"><a href="http://eDate.com" rel="nofollow">eDate.com</a> seems to be along the same lines as plenty of fish. eDate is a totally free, fast loading desing that appears to be attracting thousands of users each day. One advantage over plent o is definately the nem.<br><br>I have spoken with the owner of edate and he is not corporate and he just wants to offer a totally free dating service that takes on the big boys. It is currently pretty new so he is transferrring thousands of users over from another site.<br><br>I met my boyfriend on <a href="http://www.edate.com" rel="nofollow">www.edate.com</a> about a month ago. Does anybody understand how they stay in business without charging any money? I didn\'t have to pay a cent and it seems just as good as any other dating site that I paid for.<br><br>Just thought I\'d let people know about <a href="http://edate.com" rel="nofollow">edate.com</a> because alll of the other dating sites rope you in to paying some fee and edate didn\'t.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632612" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632612" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632612" href="http://www.webomatica.com/wordpress/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">webomatica</a>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632612" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632612" class="dsq-comment-message">Your thoughts on design might work for blogs but that\'s about it. I don\'t think you would willingly hand your credit card number over to a site that looked too crappy or illegitemate. A bank couldn\'t have a site that looked like craigslist.<br><br>However, I do agree that for certain kinds of sites simple "bad" design is okay. Craigslist is a complex site with a lot of content and the design should get out of the way of users who just want to get to what they want. But even that concept comes back to an old graphic design theory: form follows function.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632614" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632614" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632614">zz</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632614" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632614" class="dsq-comment-message">This font is too difficult to read, so I didn\'t read the rest of the article. So much for your theory?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632616" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632616" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632616" href="http://www.christianmontoya.net" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Montoya</a>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632616" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632616" class="dsq-comment-message">Scoble, you should stick to talking about things you know about. Sites that are ugly are successful despite their design. They have a great service or feature to offer that overcomes the hideous appearance.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632618" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632618" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632618" href="http://www.myjobbuilder.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">puddy</a>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632618" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632618" class="dsq-comment-message">Markus Frind is a smart guy. In the end - who cares what the design looks like, if he makes a profit and finds success then he has a great business. The only thing which I find important is for the site to load fast and it is easy to use.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632620" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632620" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632620" href="http://www.clickedin.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">joe</a>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632620" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632620" class="dsq-comment-message">eBay, Craigs List are not great designed sites but they are profitable because they know who their target mkt is and they provide a great service. It is all about traffic.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632622" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632622" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632622" href="http://jeffcroft.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Jeff Croft</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632622" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632622" class="dsq-comment-message">"Well, for one, big companies will never do a site that doesn’t look pretty."<br><br>Are you forgetting that your ugly design examples -- eBay, Google, and MySpace (owned by Fox) -- are all big companies?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632624" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632624" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632624">sharon</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632624" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632624" class="dsq-comment-message">I predict that eDate over the next couple of years will overtake all of the big guys. <a href="http://eDate.com" rel="nofollow">eDate.com</a> is totally 100% free with no catch. It\'s got a great chart room which I use a lot to meet people and it\'s a quick running site with an easy to navigate design. <a href="http://eDate.com" rel="nofollow">eDate.com</a> will be one of the most popular dating sites out there. I have spoken with the owner about his current developing and marketing platform and I am confident to say that <a href="http://www.eDate.com" rel="nofollow">www.eDate.com</a> will be a huge competitor in the online dating and free online dating industry.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632626" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632626" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632626" href="http://www.wilsonminer.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Wilson Miner</a>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632626" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632626" class="dsq-comment-message">Simple and uncluttered is not the opposite of beautiful. You can have both, you should have both, and both is better. Ugly is not ideal. Ugly is a copout.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632628" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632628" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632628" href="http://joshuabryant.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Joshua Bryant</a>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632628" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632628" class="dsq-comment-message">Wait, let me get this straight. You didn\'t add a font declaration to your CSS to save space, but your header image is 24kb?<br><br>Someone tells me you haven\'t a clue.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632630" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632630" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632630" href="http://www.articlebazar.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Bazar</a>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632630" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632630" class="dsq-comment-message">really interesting story, actually i\'ve learned quite some good stuff from it, i\'m doing pretty much the same way.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632632" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632632" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632632">Warren</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632632" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632632" class="dsq-comment-message">I think plenty of fish is a little bit of a special case. It is Free Dating and it has an authenticity about it.<br><br>Compare the demand for \'Commercial Pretty Porn\' and \'Amature Porn\' the latter completely changed the porn idustry - why - because it was more authentic and there for more in line with what people could believe and i suppose fantasise about.<br><br>With plenty of fish (and even craigs list) the design (or lack there of) actually helps you associate with the person on the other end. Its about them and not about a brand that they are wrapped in.<br><br>When it comes to people and relationships do as the porn idustry had to do and remove the glam and let the people talk.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632634" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632634" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632634" href="http://hicksdesign.co.uk/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Jon Hicks</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632634" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632634" class="dsq-comment-message">Please end this uninformed rubbish. This says it all...<br><br><a href="http://www.airbagindustries.com/archives/009000.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.airbagindustries.com/archives/009000...</a></div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632637" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632637" href="http://www.vastms.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Kylir</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632637" class="dsq-comment-message">People don\'t use a website because it looks good or because it looks bad. Are men drawn to <a href="http://playboy.com" rel="nofollow">playboy.com</a> because it has good graphic design or because it looks ugly? No, they go there for the content. Visual design has nothing to do with it. People use websites based on the content and the services they provide, duh. Now bad design is bad for a number of reasons. One of them is that it is hard to use a poorly designed site because it isn\'t thought out carefully. When people can\'t use a website they\'re not going to stick around or come back, unless there is some compelling reason. I quit going to <a href="http://nytimes.com" rel="nofollow">nytimes.com</a> to read their articles because they produced RSS feeds. Now their RSS feeds are what I go to. If a web designer is all confused about whether or not to make a site look like crap or make it look good in order to increase traffic, they should probably use their time figuring out a way to make people want to go there in the first place.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632639" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632639" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632639">Tim Swan</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632639" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632639" class="dsq-comment-message">This is typical commentary from people that think design=beauty. Design is NOT just throwing a pretty wrapper around crap and calling it good. Typical opinionated post with nothing to back it up.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632641" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632641" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632641" href="http://ian.sundermedia.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Ian Muir</a>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632641" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632641" class="dsq-comment-message">This from a judge for a recent design contest.<br><br>I hate when people with infulence perpetuate completely assinine ideas like this.<br><br>You make a claim like this and then support it with completely ridiculous claims. "MySpace is successful because it\'s ugly." COME ON! You can\'t seriously believe some of this stuff.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632643" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632643" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632643">Am</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632643" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632643" class="dsq-comment-message">(excuse my poor english)<br>a definition of design:<br>Design is a set of fields for problem-solving that uses user-centric approaches to understand user needs to create successful solutions that solve real problems.<br>you\'re talking of sites which are great because of their excelent functions and saying that they are good because of being ugly.<br>the correct knowledge of the design principles should make your webpage much faster, uncluttered, authentic and user friendlier than it is now. When you attain that, it\'s inerent beauty is visible.<br>this blog (not mine): <a href="http://simpleydone.com/" rel="nofollow">http://simpleydone.com/</a><br>is much lighter, simpler and user friendlier than yours AND it\'s also better looking.<br>In my native language we don\'t have the word design, we use the english word. Maybe if you had to explain to your grandparents what design is, like I had, you would start understanding what it\'s really about - not ugly or beautiful, nike or coke, but about improving comunication. it seems  that the ironic problem with design is that it\'s meaning is poorly comunicated.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632645" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632645" href="http://www.ulujain.org/blog/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">I II III IV</a>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632645" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632645" class="dsq-comment-message">Robert, I know you\'ve done your best to intellectualize everything, but you come across as a guy who can\'t stand random success or the place where it\'s been.<br><br>Nobody but you and a *very* small minority gives a rat\'s arse how that site looks or whether it validates or not.<br><br>Everybody else goes there for the reasons 99.99% of humnaity would; for information. Hell, I\'m thinking of signing up there myself :)</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632647" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632647" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632647" href="http://danielsjourney.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Daniel</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632647" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632647" class="dsq-comment-message">There must be an InductiveArgument Control in .NET 2.0...</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632649" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632649" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632649" href="http://filemagazine.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Beerzie Boy</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632649" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632649" class="dsq-comment-message">Wow. <a href="http://Plentyoffish.com" rel="nofollow">Plentyoffish.com</a> has lots of hits. It\'s probably the butt-ugly design. Or the sluts.<br><br>So your argument for not bothering with design is to repeat a tired truism: "It\'s all about content". Sexy-talking tramps = lots of hits from desperate losers. Craigslist and Google offer great, well-delivered content. Sure, you can a snotload of money from great content and ugly design. But can you do better if you have great content and a nifty design? Why not have both? That\'s the real question.<br><br>I don\'t like marketing geeks very much either, but just because marketing can be lame and over-the-top, doesn\'t mean you just throw it in the trash altogether. There needs to be a middle ground, dude.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632651" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632651" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632651" href="http://www.rogueconnect.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Daniel, Rogue Connect</a>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632651" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632651" class="dsq-comment-message">The anti-marketing concept is an interesting one, certainly one with substance. Personally, I think this has less to do with the design and more to do with the feeling that someone is behind it, not something (as in a corporation).</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632653" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632653" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632653">RG</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632653" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632653" class="dsq-comment-message">this page is so ugly I could hardly stand to stay on it long enough to write this comment.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632655" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632655" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632655">Ben</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632655" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632655" class="dsq-comment-message">Your site looks ugly because you\'re not a good designer, you don\'t have the brain to do a good design, sure you might have good content and that\'s great but it would be much better if it looked good too. When we started MySpace we didn\'t have a designer, only programmers. If we had more time it would look better and we\'re working on a better looking design now. We want MySpace to be more like PurVolume (great content, great design). Beerzie is right, <a href="http://Plentyoffish.com" rel="nofollow">Plentyoffish.com</a> only gets a massive amount of traffic because of the sluts and all the desperate losers.<br>Your site is so ugly, get your act together.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632658" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632658" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632658">max</span>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632658" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632658" class="dsq-comment-message">lol, i agrre ben</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632660" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632660">Gaara</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632660" class="dsq-comment-message">What a horrible argument, un-design makes succes.  Very stupid, google did get succesful because of bad design but because of a great search engine.  What company in their right mind would allow a product that purposely looks bad to be released?  We don\'t have a bulls**t meter, wtf are you talking about?  Since when would humans think that something that is aesthetically pleasing is bad?  While your article is somewhat intresting it is one of the saddest non sequiturs i have ever seen.  Don\'t get bad ideas into people heads, do you think Apple would be where it is now without aesthetically pleasing devices and OS?  I don\'t think so.  Don\'t clutter the web with trash opinions that are just based off of coincidence.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632662" href="http://www.hyperwhat.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Adrian D.</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632662" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632662" class="dsq-comment-message">You know, there are a lot of ugly sites out there that aren\'t very successful. A lot, in fact. Seems to me this guy\'s success is despite his aesthetic, not because of it.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632664">Gaara</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632664" class="dsq-comment-message">Yeah but are saying they are succesful because of not being aestheticly pleasing?  Would they be succesful if they looked the same but what they did was really bad.  In these cases its not beauty but content.  Read this article <a href="http://www.andyrutledge.com/bad-design.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.andyrutledge.com/bad-design.php</a>, this guy knows what he is talking about.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632666" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632666" href="http://www.liveturkey.co.uk/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">M.Kutlu</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632666" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632666" class="dsq-comment-message">I am not an expert yet but my website is so pretty<br>and performing very good on adsense. Not too much traffic but %20 - %30 click through rate.. Not too bad for an amateur :)</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632668" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632668">Talktechno</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632668" class="dsq-comment-message">Check this one its better:<br><br><a href="http://www.talktechno.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.talktechno.com</a></div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632669" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632669" href="http://www.graphicalwonder.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Shane</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632669" class="dsq-comment-message">I think that people are looking at this from two extremes.<br><br>Either a site looks awesome and is slow-loading and not as successful as the anti-aesthetic quick loading ugly site.<br><br>I don\'t think the above to be true however I do agree that elements of both should be kept in mind during creation.<br><br>I think for the last 10 years we\'ve been arse backwards about how we tackled online communication in general.<br><br>I would guess 90%+ of the websites in existance were designed "before" they even knew what message they wanted to portray, "before" the content was written and the IA plan was in place to get this content across efficiently to the user.<br><br>On top of that there has obviously been very limited usability testing and no long-term consistency online \'period\'.<br><br>I guess my point here is that while I agree sites should be lightweight and fast-loading, I also firmly believe that the problem is not solved by creating "ugly-anti-marketing" sites.<br><br>This problem is solved by well thought out IA which clearly communicates your well written message/content.  This can be accomplished only in conjunction with extensive usability testing.<br><br>In the end I can see now reason you cannot have a well thought out, visually appealing yet easy to use website that offers a good \'and\' effortless experience.<br><br>Wow that was a mouthful.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632670" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632670" href="http://www.quotecity.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Ken Krysinski</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632670" class="dsq-comment-message">What is the strongest word in the marketing dictionary??  FREE<br><br>"Ugly by design" is branding. Low cost product branding almost necessitates a no frills packaging to hammer home the message. Go to any super market in the country and look in the cereal isle.  Next to the Rice Krispies is a plain box with A&amp;P Crisy Rice in it.  The box looks like crap but who cares, it tastes the same and is half the price. Could A&amp;P make a more attractive package?? Yes of course but that would make it less recognizable amoung all the other brands already competing with Kelloggs.<br><br>Some people only shop at Prada while others love the value of Walmart. Both get dressed every morning.<br><br>POF is the generic brand of <a href="http://Match.com" rel="nofollow">Match.com</a><br>Craigslist is the generic brand of <a href="http://Monster.com" rel="nofollow">Monster.com</a><br>and Google is just a freak of nature.<br><br>Should anyone really be suprised that POF is making 10,000 a day? Not really. I would be much more interested in finding out how they marketed a free service to create the userbase that supports that revenue stream now.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632671" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632671">Aleks</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632671" class="dsq-comment-message">Not so ordynary site - look to html sourse - in meta description there is part of page tekst - man knows what he did.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632673" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632673" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632673" href="http://www.copyblogger.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Brian</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632673" class="dsq-comment-message">The site is succesful with AdSense.  And to be successful with AdSense, you have to make people want to leave.<br><br>Let\'s not over-generalize beyond that.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632675" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632675" href="http://autoreview.belproject.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Evgueni</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632675" class="dsq-comment-message">I\'m afraid, I have to agree with Alex Foley. The anti-marketing design is good for the big old sharks who do not have to prove their point with expensive design. I never heard about Plenty of Fish before, and for me it looks more like just another scraper site built to make money with AdSense. Does it look credible for me? Hell, no.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632676" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632676">Евгений</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632676" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632676" class="dsq-comment-message">Круто!</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632679" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632679" href="http://homebusinesstoday.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Aaron C.</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632679" class="dsq-comment-message">I don\'t believe it\'s successful because it\'s ugly. It\'s successful because:<br><br>1. It\'s a FREE dating service, unlike most of all the others. Wonder how successful he\'d be if he were SELLING something.<br>2. Online dating services are in great demand.<br>3. As another comment pointed out, "...the fact that if you have loads of crappy fonts all over the place the GOOGLE TEXT ADS look like they are internal links or editorial links and people are more likely to click on them.<br><br>People confuse the real content from the ads.<br><br>If you have a nice clean design, the ads always stand out as ads and people ignore them."<br><br>I\'ve already read here of people saying they accidenatlly clicked on Adsense Ads, thinking they were part of the site\'s content. The site is successful with Adsense, not specifically because it\'s ugly. Let\'s not confuse causation and correlation; they\'re two entirely different things!</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632681">Charrito</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632681" class="dsq-comment-message">haha<br><br>this is dumbest shit I\'ve read in a while...<br><br>like one your readers so astutely pointed out, design is not just about making things pretty. I know this might be difficult for some of you to understand, but good design is visual problem solving. good design is not decoration. i think a lot of people assume that design = haphazard esthetic decisions. nope. good design has methodologies for solving problems just like good OOP does. good design doesn\'t place form over function in the way many software engineers seem to think it does.<br><br>another one of the above posts has pointed out that the anti-brand is indeed a brand. to assume that minimalist page design like craiglist has somehow escaped percieved visual trends to elevate its user experience above esthetics and escape the laws of branding is terribly uninformed, unrealistic, and arrogrant. people know shitty design when they see it. they might be willing to put up with it, but you\'re not fooling anyone.<br><br>"oh wait! our shitty looking site has stands as a beacon of integrity in sea of trendy, slick looking  over-designed site! yeah! thats the ticket! when people see our no frills layout that looks like 1996 doodoo, they\'ll KNOW WE\'RE KEEPIN IT REAL!"<br><br>right. next time i need to craft a brand, I\'m going to call some software engineers! preferbly ones from the company that has the most shallow, confused, and awful brand of the modern age.<br><br>furthermore, if form over function is your mantra, you should scratch myspace off your list of shining examples. have you actually looked at that markup? take a look and get back to me. the ONLY remarkable thing about myspace is the sheer number of people who are using it.<br><br>kind of like MS products....</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632683" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632683" href="http://bridgesolution.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">gabriel bear</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632683" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632683" class="dsq-comment-message">actually, there\'s only design. ugly/graceful/etc have a form follows function relationship.<br>  anti-brand &gt;is brand</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632686" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632686" href="http://bridgesolution.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">gabriel bear</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632686" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632686" class="dsq-comment-message">as a for instance, there\'s an implementation issue on this site..a comment written in notepad won;t drop correctly into the post....as noted from my post above.<br><br>actually, there\'s only design. ugly/graceful/etc have a form follows function relationship.<br>  anti-brand &gt;is brand</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632687" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632687" href="http://bridgesolution.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">gabriel bear</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632687" class="dsq-comment-message">brand is not appearance but identity. from the domain name on down the page, that site says "it won\'t cost a thinhg to try. nobody ios expecting much. relax. u can\'t win if u don\'t enter." whether the designer intuitively knew that, or stumbled into it, or it reflects his core personality--which is my guess as somebody who reps artists and does branding--he tapped into a market of people who randomly will cruise around  target as long as they feel comfortable and aren\'t asked to buy anything, but won\'t go to the galleria.  notice the key point in the discussion: revenue from ad clicks, not commited relationships.<br>  i mention target because bridgesolution has an alliance with their branding team.<br>   i agree most web designers miss the point. becuase in reality there is only design. bmw doesn;t make dump trucks, and print isn\'t the web; and newspapers aren\'t magazines.<br>   we use the concept of having designers interact with implementers. the dialogs can be amusing.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632689" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632689">Rulf</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632689" class="dsq-comment-message">Yeah, of course, Apple, Target, BMW would make billions and billions more if only they would let their web sites be ugly. And Microsoft, living proof of the overwhelming selling power of bad taste, would instantly go tits up if they\'d come up with something, ANYTHING, beautiful.<br><br>What a cruel world.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632691">erickarns</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632691" class="dsq-comment-message">What a load of bull-ish. Look at <a href="http://Blogger.com" rel="nofollow">Blogger.com</a> -&gt; beautiful, functional, fast... mm hmmm.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632694" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632694">Matt G, Boston, MA</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632694" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632694" class="dsq-comment-message">A lot of missing the point here. I agree OVERdesigning can waste resources and kill traffic, but I doubt UGLY automatically = success.<br><br>Guaging how much visual appeal draws an audience is the first step in a successful (ugly OR pretty) design.<br><br>For example: the charm of your favorite hole-in-the-wall diner would be ruined by yards of velvet and mood lighting. BUT would most people pay extra for the ABSENCE of velvet and great service?<br><br>Plentyoffish doesnt\' make big $$$ because its got ugly design, its a big, FREE dating service for crying out loud! (and, I\'ll be the clients with the most traffic are the best looking!)</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632696" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632696" href="http://ideaflux.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Ach</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632696" class="dsq-comment-message">Has anyone here read Don Norman\'s books on design ... in particular, the one titled "Emotional Design"?  You guys who argue that functionality is the only thing that matters are missing the point.  It\'s not JUST functionality... aesthetics is a part of who we are as humans.  I agree that people will put up with crappy websites as long as they are usable but that doesn\'t say anything about the emotional state of the user.  Products from Apple and BMW are bought in large part due to their visual appeal.  The web is no different.  Usability comes first but don\'t destroy good aesthetics.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632698" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632698" href="http://patchchord.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Yurodivy</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632698" class="dsq-comment-message">Sure...let\'s just dumb everything down and go for street cred?  That may work for a free online dating service that\'s designed to be a SEO whore, but design aesthetics DO count for consumers of more upscale brands.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632700" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632700" href="http://www.eoghanmccabe.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Eoghan McCabe</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632700" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632700" class="dsq-comment-message">The "ugly-design" theory is the biggest load of bull I\'ve seen in years!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632702" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632702" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632702">Stylo</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632702" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632702" class="dsq-comment-message">Yo! S**it #$!@er. The site gets 10,000 hits cos its a "F R E E" Dating Site. And it got all tits and asses all over it.<br><br>I bet you can\'t design. Google is used so much cos it works best, not because it has no design. Design isn\'t just colors its a way to communicate.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632704" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632704" href="http://www.arcadegameaddict.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Robert</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632704" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632704" class="dsq-comment-message">I think the biggest theme is not making a site ugly, but keeping it simple, uncluttered, and lightweight. It doesn\'t have to be ugly to accomplish these things.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632706" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632706" href="http://www.kensavage.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Ken Savage</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632706" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632706" class="dsq-comment-message">This guy is full of crap and its sad to see. No room for someone who lies.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632708" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632708" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632708" href="http://web.mac.com/jayrobinson83" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Jay</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632708" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632708" class="dsq-comment-message">What I think is funny is that no one is noticing what this guy said from the beginning:<br><br>"We trust things more when they look like they were done for the love of it rather than the sheer commercial value of it."<br><br>Yet the rest of the time all he\'s talking about is CA$H CA$H CA$H. Your design goals permeate through your corporation, Robert. You are an excellent choice for M$.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632710" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632710" href="http://www.serioussoft.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Roni</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632710" class="dsq-comment-message">There is some theory about ugliness that results in high revenue from Google Adsense, but isn\'t a measurement of being a successful or better as a website, and it\'s not a standard at all that ugly websites are the successful ones at all aspects. Theory claims that the whole matter comes from people dislike the ugly website therefore they click-off and run away to other websites, which are more likely those ones which appear in front of them inside Google Adsense units!</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632712" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632712">Jon</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632712" class="dsq-comment-message">I think what people "trust" is all completely subjective. I took a look at plentyoffish. I\'ve never heard of it before, but if I had just randomly come across it, it\'s exactly the kind of service I wouldn\'t trust. Some people may "trust things more when they look like they were done for the love of it rather than the sheer commercial value of it" but I certainly don\'t and I am sure I\'m not alone. I trust a company/brand that looks like they know what they\'re doing.<br>And I don\'t know how many times I\'ve said myspace would be so much better (more enjoyable to use) if it implemented a means of creating pages/profiles that weren\'t absolutely horrendous to look at. Half the time, I can barely read people\'s pages and I am always baffled that they can\'t see that for themselves.<br><br>"Maybe MySpace is kicking blogging’s behind because most blogs are simply too pretty!"<br><br>There\'s no way that\'s true. First off, most blogs aren\'t that pretty. Most of the time, they\'re just based off templates (that are easier to implement than myspace templates). It\'s the networking nature of myspace that makes it insanely popular. It\'s popular in spite of it\'s appearance, not because of it. No one ever said, "Have you seen myspace? It looks like $h!t. You should check it out!" (The same goes for google and craigslist, which by the way I found craigslist unusable on my first visit. Where do I look first? This looks like crap for such a popular site. Am I on the right page? ) I\'ve found that most users don\'t even use the blogging feature on myspace. It seems to be predominantly used for simply making comments (despite the email feature) that consist of obnoxiously large images, animated gifs, or WMV clips. Setting up a blog doesn\'t allow you to search for and find old friends or acquaintances...or have an entirely superficial friendship with your favorite band. Myspace does. Blogging requires creative thought on a regular basis. Myspace doesn\'t.<br><br>This is too long. I simply disagree.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632715" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632715" href="http://www.spaintravelhome.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">utku</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632715" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632715" class="dsq-comment-message">i want 2000-5000 real visitors daily.<br>its possible?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632716" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632716" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632716" href="http://www.shapeble.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">SeanIM</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632716" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632716" class="dsq-comment-message">Antimarketing design is taking it a bit to an extreme but in general I totally agree.  My partner and I just sold a domain for just north of 30k the other month and it was almost purely a \'text based\' layout.<br><br> Simple works and is effective.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632719" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632719" href="http://www.htmlschool.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">HTML Help</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632719" class="dsq-comment-message">Yep, them\'s the ropes...<br><br>But i think it has more to do with being simple and easily-navigated than \'being ugly\'. Google is clean and proffesional, but I wouldn\'t exactly call it amateurish. Many other clean, proffesional sites have had outstanding success.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632721" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632721" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632721">Nul</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632721" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632721" class="dsq-comment-message">The examples you give are a bit off, like google... it\'s a search engine, thats it\'s function and thats all you need for it visually. You also failed to mention the fact that google also had an inbuilt spell checker earlier than the competition which is a big part of its popularity.<br><br>The arguement is too simplistic to be valid, depends on the sites purpose and functionality. End of story really.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632724" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632724" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632724">Nul</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632724" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632724" class="dsq-comment-message">BTW, you have about 125k of images on your front page atm yet rant about not adding a few words of code for a font.<br><br>?</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-9632726">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632726" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632726" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632726" href="http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Robert Scoble</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632726" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632726" class="dsq-comment-message">Nul: fonts ALWAYS load before images. You\'ll always see the text on a Web page before the images load. So, text size is MUCH more important than image size.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632727" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632727" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632727" href="http://www.tranix.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Tranix</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632727" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632727" class="dsq-comment-message">Sometimes, visitors preferred the look rather than the content :-)</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632730" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632730">Nul</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632730" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632730" class="dsq-comment-message">Re Robert Scoble<br><br>Yes, but you\'re taliking 1 small, incy wincy, tiny bit of code to call a font that wouldn\'t even be noticed (not like you have to DL the font itself). If you are purely after readability and functionality, then a sans serif font would probably be better re both causes.<br><br>BTW, just as a side note we share the same surname. Does yours originate from the Cornwall lot?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632732" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632732" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632732" href="http://dlagrpii.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">JBH</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632732" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632732" class="dsq-comment-message">yeah myspace is pop but only pop. like the pussycat dolls. you gonna ask then to help you write a song like leonard cohen? of course not. They can\'t write GOOD music, only pop music. Why is pop music so big? because it\'s consumed by mostly unsophisticated children between 9 and 16 in order to kill time between growth spurts.<br>for money making go for the lowest common denominator. mass appeal. appeal to the dumb. if you want to "say" something more important opt for a more personal approach. picasso pulls a good price these days and due to his innovative ideas could probably command a lot of dosh for an appearance/consult if he was still alive.<br>pop is boring. people eventually grow up.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632734" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632734" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632734" href="http://www.zemskov.ru/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Alexey Zemskov</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632734" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632734" class="dsq-comment-message">Не вижу смысла делать что-то лучше, если оно выполняет свои функции на 100%, поэтому если дизайн не отвратительный, то значит пользоваться сайтом будут. Иначе если сайт плохой, то ему не поможет навороченный дизайн. И точка. Sorry for my english ;)</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632736" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632736" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632736" href="http://www.betheguru.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Brad</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632736" class="dsq-comment-message">You know that all of the designers out there how disagree are in it for their job-security.  Good design is good, but usually ergonomics taken 2nd (or 10th) to the designers ego.<br><br>Love, Me</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632737" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632737" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632737" href="http://www.milius.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">oliver</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632737" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632737" class="dsq-comment-message">I don\'t know man, but I think the only one beeing able to build and run such a network single handed is - me.<br>but if the story is true and he really did that he deserves anybodys respect until the end of time.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632739" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632739" href="http://internet-marketing.milius.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">oliver</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632739" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632739" class="dsq-comment-message">bad typo, I meant: ... everybody\'s respect until the end of time ...</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632741" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632741" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632741" href="http://www.shooters-69.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Akt Anna</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632741" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632741" class="dsq-comment-message">i think its all a question of the business field, i guess it works with dating oder adult sites, but if a insurance company, whats looking für a business consultant, likes to see poor design with weak navigation and other things...</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632743" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632743">Nul</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632743" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632743" class="dsq-comment-message">Re Brad<br><br>You\'re very out of touch with what design is. You\'re also a little out of touch if you think a person will only disagree because they\'re a working designer.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632745" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632745" href="http://www.afroclub.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">single-man</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632745" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632745" class="dsq-comment-message">"He says that sites that have ugly designs are well known to pull more revenue, be more sticky, build better brands, and generally be more fun to participate in, than sites with beautiful designs."<br><br>Well, thats an fact! If a site have everithing goods to offer for the user, there is no reason to click on adds from google. The key is sucking traffic from google, make the user curiously to earn clicks...</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632750" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632750" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632750" href="http://www.sumalized.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">linkaufbau</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632750" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632750" class="dsq-comment-message">...ich kann mich dem Kommentar von Oliver nur anschliessen. Hypes und Gelaber, Nachgemache und abwarten - selbst eine Idee haben und "just do it!"</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632754" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632754" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632754" href="http://myacetemplates.net/design.pl/photo-law.html/school-good-design.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Darrell</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632754" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632754" class="dsq-comment-message">Somehow i don\'t think i could ever subscribe to Scoble\'s view on website aesthetics.As far as i\'m concerned ugly is ugly and a complete turnoff.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632761" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632761" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632761">some guy</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632761" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632761" class="dsq-comment-message">Let\'s not forget the oft-quoted aphorism:<br><br>"Appeal to the classes, and you\'ll dine with the masses.<br>Appeal to the masses, and you\'ll dine with the classes."<br><br>...<br><br>People with bad taste feel ostracized by good design. They know that it\'s above them, on all levels - intellectually, aesthetically, emotionally, financially. They flock to bad things - American cars, television, fast food, sweat pants, pop music, MySpace - because THEY ARE TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND GOOD DESIGN. There, I\'ve said it - the ultimate value judgment.<br><br>If you disagree, I want you to walk out on the street and look into the eyes of the first person you meet. There\'s a 99% chance that this person\'s entire soul will be on display. It will be clear to you that they\'re an idiot, with bad taste, with money to burn. They don\'t know the difference between a serif, a sans-serif, and a slab-serif - but they are affected by it.<br><br>It\'s a fact: successful business owners exploit distasteful idiots. Apple Computer makes the best computer hardware and software in the world, but they will never sell more computers than bargain-basement Dell. You have to work harder to please customers who can discern good design, but lucky for Dell, those people are a very small minority of the population.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632763" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632763" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632763">David Bowman</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632763" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632763" class="dsq-comment-message">Sadly, Scoble is right. There\'s a lot of arguing above, but nobody cares about the previous comments, because the arguments are over intellectualized. Only designers care about such arguments. Scoble\'s viewpoint is quantified once and for all by the following pair of irrefutable economic truths:<br><br>1) people with bad taste &gt; people with good taste<br><br>2) more customers = more money<br><br>Scoble, you can close the comments now.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632757" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632757" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632757">jc</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632757" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632757" class="dsq-comment-message">maybe simple and plain designs create more ad-revenue because people think there will be a better site that they can view when they click on the ad..</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632759" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632759" href="http://www.unternehmensweb.de/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Volker</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632759" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632759" class="dsq-comment-message">Unconscious or conscious: Everybody tend to imitate.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632769" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632769" href="http://www.ozphonecard.com.au/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">card</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632769" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632769" class="dsq-comment-message">sometimes back to nature is a best thing. the same like simple design. But still it depends on the topic of your sites. Some site need simple design but other sites could need more attractive design such as using flash , animated gif , etc.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632767" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632767" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632767">Wise Guy</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632767" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632767" class="dsq-comment-message">No, no, no. I disagree totally! The said websites are success not because of their ugly design,  but because of their idea, because it was something new and viral.<br><br>The reason for their ugly design is the fact that they all started as a homework project. Now that they gone big, why would they change their look?<br><br>It does not mean that you can build an ugly site and be successfull. No you won\'t.<br><br>And who said that simple, uncluttered, fast loading design can\'t be pretty?<br><br>Get real people!</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632766" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632766" href="http://www.jonhehir.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Twig</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632766" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632766" class="dsq-comment-message">This is probably the illogical blog I\'ve ever read.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632752" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632752" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632752" href="http://www.adultxdating.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Shane Waltzer</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632752" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632752" class="dsq-comment-message">This is the excellent site.<br>Adult Dating Online Community<br><a href="http://www.adultxdating.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.adultxdating.com/</a></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632772" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632772" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632772">Ryan</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632772" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632772" class="dsq-comment-message">The anti-marketing design is becoming popular.<br><a href="http://www.aretheyopen.com" rel="nofollow">www.aretheyopen.com</a> is using it, and they are doing pretty well.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632771" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632771" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632771">Grant</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632771" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632771" class="dsq-comment-message">I will tell you that - screw ugly sites! This is not the stone age, you know. Even that I am not a design geek and don\'t understand the idea behind XHTML, CSS certification and other stuff like that, I still prefer good looking sites over bad looking ones. Why? Because people who make their sites look good care about their visitors. Care about tomorrow, not about the early 90\'s. And just in relation to this topic, I accidentally landed on an <a href="http://digg.com/design/Dating_sites_and_the_21st_century_Or_how_it_all_began" rel="nofollow">interesting story</a> last week. Boy, was I agree with that guy. You bet I was! And even that I am not completely aware what the hell web 2.0 is I appreciate <a href="http://www.dateyard.com" rel="nofollow">their effort</a> to bring some light in this business. I am not sure how their profits will look in the end, but as for me, if I was a dating site user, I\'d prefer their service, that\'s for sure!</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632770" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632770" href="http://www.isg.jp/weblog.php" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Quinlan</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632770" class="dsq-comment-message">Wow, has this generated comment!  Had to get to entry 63 by Tom Foremski for the denouement though.  Sex sells and drives the net like nothing else - ask plentyoffish to set up another site for paperclips and compare.  Buy you a drink if it works to the same degree...<br>Also think your marketing story would, on the other hand, make for a more intriguing article.<br>Cheers.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632773" href="http://www.sudmed.ru/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Forensic Medecine</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632773" class="dsq-comment-message">I\'ve spoken with the owner of edate and he is not corporate and he just wants to offer a totally free dating service that takes on the big boys. It is currently pretty new so he is transferrring thousands of users over from another site!</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632776" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632776" href="http://www.schwarzenbek-info.de/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Schwarzenbek Info</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632776" class="dsq-comment-message">I find the sides first-class. Greetings from Schwarzenbek</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632775" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632775" href="http://www.objekt4.de/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">daso4</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632775" class="dsq-comment-message">What i´ve learned on highschool is that design is not about beauty, it´s about function. If "ugly design" (in the sense of the lack of beautiness) works, it _is_ good design. Good "designers" know that!</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632780" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632780" href="http://www.kalu-kunst.de/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">kalu</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632780" class="dsq-comment-message">Interesting discussion ... for me, it also depends on the subject/business of the site. Sometimes the content demands ugly design (=simple design?)</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632779" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632779" href="http://allasianpass.spaces.msn.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Keely</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632779" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632779" class="dsq-comment-message">Hi I also like asians, visit my blog at<br><br><a href="http://allasianpass.spaces.msn.com/" rel="nofollow">http://allasianpass.spaces.msn.com/</a></div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632777" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632777" href="http://www.rkcreativedesigns.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Mr. Kash</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632777" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632777" class="dsq-comment-message">So, true.  I left working for this company because they wanted me to "design" a website to be perfectly porportionate.  When they wanted me to redo the website for the 4th time because of a problem of being proportionate.  I said effin* make the damn website your self!</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632778" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632778" href="http://www.teedpeek.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">AdsenseGuru</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632778" class="dsq-comment-message">on june,31 2006 i make 1097.05$ from google adsense. This is only 5<br>days only, you can see a little TIPS from this site<br><a href="http://www.netdesignmedia.com/acne/index.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.netdesignmedia.com/acne/index.php</a><br><br><br>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - -<br>Ten Days Make 1000 Dollar</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632747" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632747" href="http://JustSayHi.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">JustSayHi.com</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632747" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632747" class="dsq-comment-message">Love is Free. Why pay?  Meet thousands of local singles.  Never pay a cent. Instant access.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632774" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632774" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632774" href="http://www.discountsonline.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Eric</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632774" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632774" class="dsq-comment-message">I am not sure that the issue is "ugly" versus "pretty" design, but maybe just simple and uncluttered versus overdone. I can imagine some awfully ugly designs that would be so busy they would likely not make much money. It would seem to me that one would be best served by a design that was simple, fast loading, and in some way distinctive. As for the site mentioned pulling in major bucks, I think that is has a lot more  to do with servicing the most primary drive in humans, apart from eating and drinking ;-)</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632781" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632781" href="http://tastesdiffer.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">TD</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632781" class="dsq-comment-message">The Numeral not real for such site.... Real numeral well can 1000 well not as not 10000 . though <a href="http://tastesdiffer.com" rel="nofollow">tastesdiffer.com</a> speaks that interrupt record of the home site</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632784" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632784">bobdebilder</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632784" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632784" class="dsq-comment-message">Is it my imagination but has the PlentyofFish website had a design change to make it more pretty since this article?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632783" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632783" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632783" href="http://www.azzurra.genovka.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Azzurra</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632783" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632783" class="dsq-comment-message">Buon luogo, congratulazioni, il mio amico!</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632782" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632782" href="http://brsma.de/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Sascha Brossmann</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632782" class="dsq-comment-message">you\'re mixing things up that are not necessarily related. design is good, if it serves its purpose well (and even better if it does not defy other purposes the designer might not even have thought about). “be beautiful” – which BTW is what the intended audience/the users perceive as beautiful or desirable esthetic qualities – is just one of several possible imperatives there. acknowledged: there is a certain share of designers out there who work more in a way like hairdressers or confectioners in a fancy, expressive would-be-artist way. your perception about design might have become a little bit distorted by those. and even them i.e. the better ones amongst them still do good design in areas where it is important to exactly do something their way. and then there are those specialists for a certain kind of hyperclean anal-retentative “professional-looking” corporate design which might visually please their clients – but not serve the purposes of their actual audience. and sadly quite often share certain visual preferences with those.<br><br>IMNSHO myspace works so well because it extremely lowers the entry barrier for anybody without visual skills, i.e. the largest share of people. it does not make users ashamed of their lack of skill.<br><br>google OTOH is absolutely clever designed. people still believe that it was simple. if you just take a look at the search engine this may still hold true, but the large and _complex_ majority of google\'s services is hidden behind this facade of simplicity. perfect marketing, i would say.<br><br>and OTTH the dating site works well, because… well, it is a free dating site. it serves a need that has and propably will always be profitable to serve. heck, it might even work better and be even more succesful with a better interface, but neither can i prove this nor you can prove the contrary.<br><br>BTW, agencies and marketing departments of certain companies have been using non-corporate looking design very purposefully for quite some time now, especially where popular youth culture is concerned.  and that\'s also one point why, to me, anybody using the word “authentic” in public without turning beet red deserves a severe flogging for either being ill-spirited or for excessive naivity and extreme lack of insight. marketing already knows quite well, where it should not dress up like standard industry marketing to be perceived well.<br><br>maybe you should think again. there *are* some points in the original post, but in the end the conclusions drawn from them turn out as nothing but hot air.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632785" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632785" href="http://www.cupidnetworks.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">sharon</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632785" class="dsq-comment-message">Paid dating sites do have an advantage over free dating sites because they can limit the amount of spammers. People on paid services need to use a credit card which, for the most part, assures that they are a real person that can be tracked back for spamming. Also, social networking sites like myspace are taking over but there are too many people to weed through. Also, they are flooded with spam too.<br><br>I recommend signing up on all dating sites and social networking sites if you are serious about meeting the right person. You might find a great date online, at a singles bar, or just walking down the street. However, the more that you, and or, your pictures are exposed to other singles the better chance you will have to find  love, friendship, intimacy, a one night stand or whatever you are looking for.<br><br>Also, just think, if you find someone you like on a paid site is $20.00 to much money. Yes, it\'s great to have the internet free but most free dating sites are full of ads, spam, players. Again, I would suggest using the free services too but just be prepared to figure out who is and is not trying to spam you.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632788" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632788" href="http://plentyoffish.blog.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Plentyofish</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632788" class="dsq-comment-message">Common guys. I saw a lot of comments - bursting with envy.<br><br>900K CAD is about 800K USD. 400K per month (exclude tax fee). But do not forget that Markus should pay for HUGE outgoing traffic. 100K cash isn’t too much but very good for one person<br><br>He made nobody elso couldn’t dream about.<br><br>This is an example how an ordinary dating website can make so much money<br><br>So we have a chance too?</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632787" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632787" href="http://www.improvetheweb.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Yuri</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632787" class="dsq-comment-message">Good to hear such a thing.<br><br>Then my site is doomed for success, eh?<br><br>It is just disheartening to be abused to develop and market a beautiful website, which loads in 20 seconds, is barely crawlable and with no navigation.<br><br>Our own projects we (SEOs) go for.<br><br>To the previous comment.<br>I\'d say Markus deserves what he gets. He has put hours, weeks, months and years into what he has created. So, why not?<br><br>If someone is jealous about Markus, I\'d rather not imagine how they feel about Bill Gates.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632791">Don</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632791" class="dsq-comment-message">Below is a letter I have been trying to get to Plentyoffish management. It has been a great site up until now.  Obviously Mr. Frind has a few issues he needs to work out.  I KNOW I have done nothing wrong, yet he has blocked me from his site probably at the behest of a "female" user that wanted to cause problems for me (as explained in the letter below that it seems he will never see)<br>Thanks,<br>Don<br>Mr. Frind,<br>It appears that you have blocked my access to your website.  While you certainly have that right, I would like to ask you why.  You are not obligated to discuss this with me but I would like to say that if you check your records you will find that I have used your site for quite some time and have never had a problem.  There have been some disagreements with some of the other members from time to time, but as far as I know I have never done anything to warrant this.<br>I do suspect however that a female I blocked because she continued to solicit me to solve electrical problems for her is the cause of this.  I have no idea what she may have said, but if you checked your records and found that I was in violation of your agreement, I would appreciate you letting me know what it was.  I have tried to contact you after you have blocked my access when I try to re-establish a profile but you do not respond.<br>The only other incident was one female who was not expecting one of my photos to be shirtless, however I do not view that as a violation since I see women in skimpy clothing all the time and I saw nothing in your agreement that stated that a man without a shirt on was in violation. Furthermore, in this last instance, this particular lady continued to talk with me via instant messaging and had no issue with the photo after we talked.  However, I doubt it was her but who knows?  People do strange things.<br>So, I have no idea why you are blocking me.  Would you care to explain or at least let me know what is going on?<br>Don</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632792">Don</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632792" class="dsq-comment-message">Mr. Frind,<br>I forgot to tell you that you can contact me anytime at <a href="mailto:x2751@hotmail.com" rel="nofollow">x2751@hotmail.com</a><br>Don</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632790" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632790" href="http://ithoughtitdbenicetoshare.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Max</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632790" class="dsq-comment-message">How is his site not corporate? He is making money, the site doesn\'t look bad and he is not doing it for free. Maddox wasn\'t "corporate" until he had a book deal.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632789" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632789" href="http://www.boico.net/blog" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Boicozine</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632789" class="dsq-comment-message">I only just found this. It\'s a good and valid point. Design by committee, and especially by marketing biased committee always yelds muddy results no matter what area of design you work in. I think it\'s a shame the focus has shifted some what to the subject of \'pretty\' vs \'ugly\'. A hardcore Graphic Design enthusiast knows that making something \'pretty\' or \'cool\' or whatever is  no where near enough of a brief. There are many, many angles to cover that don\'t come close to this.<br>—<br>What I personally feel is lacking in a lot of the design you see on these big sites is input from traditionally educated Graphic Designers. All too often design decisions are made by \'Photoshop Monkeys\' calling themselves Graphic Designers.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632786" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632786" href="http://www.fitnessintuition.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">George Beinhorn</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632786" class="dsq-comment-message">Trouble with much design is that it splits attention. (Just like Powerpoint.)<br><br>People enjoy sites that (a) offer content that they, personally, can use, learn something deeply desired from (and me a writer), grow, etc. In other words: expansive content. Design that serves that end, adds; design that merely embellishes, detracts.<br><br>Content-heavy "ugly" sites that work: Jerry Pournelle\'s Chaoes Manor, Joe Henderson\'s Running Commentary, Digg, Fark, Arts &amp; Letters Daily, Bloglines, Cool Tools, <a href="http://Desktoplinux.com" rel="nofollow">Desktoplinux.com</a>, etc.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632798" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632798" href="http://www.boico.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Michael</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632798" class="dsq-comment-message">Hey, George I kind of agree with you. Good, \'sucessful\' design does not ever merely embellish. I think this is an idea that has come out of a lot of \'Web Designers\' not having a good, solid Graphic Design background.<br>—<br>Almost a decade ago when we had the first \'Dot Com\' boom, designers that knew Photoshop and maybe Flash were in massive demand. I think a lot of people fell into these jobs because they knew how to use these programs, not because they were design experts. So many developers ended up having to work with these \'designers\' who only knew how to embellish and not how to add real value to a project. This seems to have sadly become the norm for a lot of these \'ugly\' sites, many of whom, I imagine, are constantly doing their utmost to be rid of these \'photoshop/flash monkeys\'.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632797" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632797" href="http://www.vois.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">steve connor</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632797" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632797" class="dsq-comment-message">What about <a href="http://vois.com" rel="nofollow">vois.com</a> is it the new plentyoffish?</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632796" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632796" href="http://www.maven.sc/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Seychelles Web Design</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632796" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632796" class="dsq-comment-message">Great post. Great read. All so so true.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632795" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632795" href="http://www.usbeacon.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Trent</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632795" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632795" class="dsq-comment-message">Bland looking text ads don\'t blend well with 2.0 designs..... why bother with a nice design if it costs bandwidth, cpu, and ad revenue? Go with what works.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632794" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632794" href="http://cypresscreative.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Josh H</a>\
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	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632794" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632794" class="dsq-comment-message">This all lies under the argument of design versus efficiency, Sure if we built every building exactly the same in the same shape with the same color, it would be cheaper and faster and of course, more efficient, but who can argue that it would not suck? And why would it suck, because we are not all machines we have things called feelings and emotions. Would you rather have a cheaper crappier looking house?, or a more expansive time invested unique eye pleasing emotional design.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9632793">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632793" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632793" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632793">Jason</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632793" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632793" class="dsq-comment-message">Plenty of fish website is the worst moderated site on the net. Bunch of fucking assholes running it. Marcus should clean house!</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9632800">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632800" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632800" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632800" href="http://www.artisu.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Nikolai</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632800" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632800" class="dsq-comment-message">I have always wondered about this. I often see sites that are just plain ugly but get a lot of hits. I guess functionality comes before beauty. I would still go for a combination though. I just have to.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9632801">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632801" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632801" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632801" href="http://www.hailourgloriousleader.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Sharkie</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632801" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632801" class="dsq-comment-message">Myspace is popular because any moron can use it and feel accomplished.<br><br>This is complete crap. It is the content and usefulness that pulls the users in. Having a great design is not going to deter users.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9632799">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632799" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632799" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632799" href="http://www.bemywoo.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Adam</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632799" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632799" class="dsq-comment-message">my site is also a dating site which i\'m growing by my self, the traffic is growing steadily<br><br>I\'m concidering anti-marketing version as a secondary version for my site<br><br>my question is if there is a benefit of creating a simple version of the site along side of the regular design would be equally effective</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9632802">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632802" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632802" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632802">dtstyle</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632802" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632802" class="dsq-comment-message">Hmm.<br><br>Realy strange. You are right, but what could be the problem. I mean I really prefer beautiful design, but at the same time functional. Because really there are some designs with bad functionality and there are others with good functionality and bad design.<br><br>May be people really prefer information than fancy stuff.<br><br>Cheers!<br><a href="http://www.goaddsite.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.goaddsite.com/</a></div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9632804">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632804" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632804" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9632804">lex G</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632804" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632804" class="dsq-comment-message">One of the few people I agree with is Larry ... (search for him somewhere in this list .. ;) ) ..<br><br>Scobleizer, I\'ve read this post today and it has been bothering me that you\'re hyping this \'anti-marketing, ugly design\' concept. I think your being too 1-sided in this. It\'s just not so ...<br><br>I\'ve worked in many corporate projects where design has really been a key player in the success of a project. Also, I\'ve worked with MANY people (designers AND marketing experts) who wanted to develop something beautiful because they were passionate about the projects that they were involved in...<br><br>The reason for the success of plentyofffish doesn\'t have to do with \'how ugly the design is\'... the design is functional, but if it were to be just as functional and great looking, would it be succeeding less ? I don\'t think so ... it\'s kind of  1-sided to attribute this everything good about plenty off fish to \'an ugly web design\' ....<br><br><br>Mind you ... I am not trying to attack your opinion here but I need to speak out on behalf of all people (including myself) that have dedicated years of study and have worked very hard to bring everyone beautiful looking designs.... Just imagine that everything would be ugly looking ;) wouldn\'t you then just want to have the best \'ugly looking design ?\' ... Sorry ... I really and I mean REALLY have to disagree with you here...<br><br>- Lex G</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9632803">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632803" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632803" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632803" href="http://www.bpojobsathome.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">rakesh maya</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632803" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632803" class="dsq-comment-message">i would say the popularity of the site has nothing to do with design or antimarketing..<br>he was just lucky what else could be said...</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9632805">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632805" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632805" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632805" href="http://astore.amazon.com/sharp-aquos-20" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">sharp aquos</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632805" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632805" class="dsq-comment-message">The reason for the success of plentyofffish doesn’t have to do with ‘how ugly the design is’… the design is functional, but if it were to be just as functional and great looking, would it be succeeding less ? I don’t think so … it’s kind of 1-sided to attribute this everything good about plenty off fish to ‘an ugly web design’ ….</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9632806">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632806" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632806" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632806" href="http://www.shotguncity.co.uk/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Fazz</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632806" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632806" class="dsq-comment-message">Wow, thanks for the excellent information!</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9632807">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632807" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632807" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632807" href="http://www.yairkorin.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Yak</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632807" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632807" class="dsq-comment-message">Hey Scoble, it would be nice to know if you changed your opinion on this one since you changed your design...</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9632808">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632808" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632808" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632808" href="http://www.dantelix.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">dantel</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632808" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632808" class="dsq-comment-message">Myspace is popular because any moron can use it and feel accomplished.<br><br>This is complete crap. It is the content and usefulness that pulls the users in. Having a great design is not going to deter users.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9632809">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632809" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632809" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632809" href="http://www.theadultworld.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">charles</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632809" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632809" class="dsq-comment-message">The design isn\'t rel event and hurts the site if anything. I heard about it from a friend that it looked bad but its free.<br><br>Its just popular same with craigslist<br><br>google works better the any search.<br><br>get real people</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9632811">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9632811" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9632811" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9632811" href="http://biggestfreedatingservices.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">petter</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9632811" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9632811" class="dsq-comment-message">yes, simple design is too great for sites because its open time is too few and its better for sites....some of the other sites have too simple but they are popular like that plentyoffish sites.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 </ul>\
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