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I don't even have an iPod but I would splurge on one before I bought the Zune. If I'm going to lay down the cash I need to know it's going to last me and the and that the hardware and software will be dependable.<br><br>Besides. Microsoft will never be able to appeal to the same market Apple does. No contest.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-06-22_12:38:57", "killed": false, "user_key": "facebook-1473422033", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658076": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Also the Zune can not display other languages, such as Japanese", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-01-22_00:22:42", "killed": false, "user_key": "1d5856cda2d55931b68b79d9a673adec", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658077": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "@Punyan<br><br>I do know MS had registered a ton of Zunecast (.com/net/org etc. etc.) domain names long before they even announced the Zune; which is usually a strong indicator of future plans from them.<br><br>I can tell you I don't have any Problems synchronizing but I have heard others complain that it was slightly complex for them. But I feel it may have more to do with lack of familiarity and less with difficulty. 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Sure.  iPod has a ton of momentum that would be hard to challenge for any device (even if it was superior on all accounts).  In the next year or two, iPod will continue to outsell Zune, there's no way around that.<br><br>The thing is, my gut says Microsoft is making a long term play at carving out a new industry and market.  They ignored podcasts because they are realistically not the focus of the device - a portable media player, and I believe they only support DRM because if they didn't (and allowed sharing songs without protection), they would be buried in lawsuits and public scrutiny.  I believe out of the box they can't allow this, but now to my real point...<br><br>I am a professional software developer and what is the key selling point for me?  It's essentially a Pocket PC platform (or some flavor thereof) meaning I can extend, hack and modify the device given enough time and research.  I think we'll be looking at a fully functional device over Wi-Fi, ways to override the DRM sharing limitations and really extending the device.  All of these \"limitation\" or \"wouldn't it be great if\" features will be answered.  I have NO doubt I could write a piece of software to record from the FM tuner, it's just a matter of figuring out the device.  Could I do that on an iPod?  Not a chance in hell - not without risking destroying the device.<br><br>Even furthermore, if Microsoft releases a Zune SDK (removing the need to even GUESS about how to work with the device or OS), I think iPod is in serious trouble.  I found XBox (the first one) appealing because I was able to swap out hard drives, rig up a PC keyboard and mouse to work with it, and even write software for the XBox given the SDK. To take it back even further, The Sega Dreamcast had the same flexibility running Windows CE. The fact that hardware devices that are based on windows, a common, well known, and extendible platform really makes any Microsoft device appealing.  It gives the potential to really extend the device if you are savvy - granted I'm not the norm, but who is to say there won't be 3rd party developers and software companies writing that killer app for Zune?  It's definitely something to think about - I think they are opening a door that could really put iPod in a bind in the next 5 years.  Sure, music and video iPod may have an edge, but what about the ability to use the WiFi on your Zune to control your Media Center PC?  Streaming audio/video FROM your media center PC over the internet using the WiFi?  The possibilites are endless and I think we will see some impressive stuff out of the platform.<br><br>You couldn't even think about that on iPod.<br><br>All said and done, I don't think Microsoft cares about DRM or intentionally limited the integration with WiFi or any feature thereof - I think they had a release date to get the product to market, cut bait on the nice to haves and wanted to get the device released for the 06 holiday season.  I think over the next year, we will see Microsoft play some cards that will turn heads and nobody would have expected.  If not - I can honestly say I would be dissappointed with Microsoft and that they are definitely losing their edge as an innovative company.<br><br>I just don't think we've seen the entire hand, and that's how they want it for now.  Enter the marketplace under the radar and then move in for the kill by opening the door for Micro ISV's to write a killer app for this type of device.<br><br>To date, every portable media player has been 100% proprietary (some custom linux flavor, etc).  All Microsoft has to do is be willing to open up the architecture and they have the total advantage.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-12-01_02:58:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "9436a19fa15b5c6b79f219a6ac087b9c", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658084": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "it is compatible with mac", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-12-01_01:33:01", "killed": false, "user_key": "374dfcf3aa53070bb54e79184e6b7ea2", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658085": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"I tried to force my daughter down the path of Napster and Creative player\"<br><br>Forced your daughter to use a Creative player? That's gotta be some form of child abuse! :)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-28_00:55:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "df679bd3d287a21d5ed6020bae384e17", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658086": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Integration:<br><br>I say the ipod is better. The iPod can be synced with both MacOS and Windows (2K, XP, Vista), the Zune is only compatible with Windows.<br><br>In my opinion the design with the touch/scroll wheel on the ipod is better.<br><br>The Zune automaticly DRMs all content and is NOT compatible with Plays For Sure songs. The iPod can play all songs purchased from the iTunes music store from any date.<br><br>Updates: Apple frequently updates ALL the ipods when a problem is found with any model, including the original Scroll Wheel model.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-14_23:53:33", "killed": false, "user_key": "57ffb515851c635608c333da51ebd428", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658087": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The iPod's 2.5\u201d display is smaller, but the 3\u201d Zune and last year's iPod both offer the same resolution. The Zune's slightly larger display is still showing the same number of dots; they'll just be more obviously pixelated because each dot is larger. The lower pixel density of the Zune's screen means its display can only be less sharp.<br><br>This flaw is exaggerated by Microsoft's Vista-esque choice of using soft alpha transparency throughout the Zune interface. This makes for nice marketing photos, but makes it harder to navigate through screens when focusing on other things: walking, driving, exercising, riding a bike, or other things iPod users do.<br><br>While neither the iPod nor the Zune provide a cinematic movie experience, there is no benefit to having a slightly larger screen at the same resolution in a handheld device, apart from possibly lower battery life.<br><br>Go to this link for more info:<br><a href=\"http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Home/9F60D74A-0E27-4F5F-B88D-835974628809.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Home/9F60D74A-...</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-05_03:19:28", "killed": false, "user_key": "d03e6db14149b9f98a63ff7084cef531", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658088": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Have a Zima with your Zune.<br><br>Seriously.<br><br>If ever there were a textbook business case of how companies which grow up with monopolies are unable to offer acceptable products in competitive markets, its Microsoft.<br><br>Sure, XBox has come a long, long, way-- but I'd say that is as much a case of Sony's self-destruction as XBox's virtues.<br><br>Not only is Apple not Sony, its one of the companies taking apart Sony (eg-- the iPod is what the Walkman should have become; the utter loss of one of the most valuable consumer electronic brands is Sony's legacy).<br><br>So, can MS take on Apple?<br><br>Its very unlikely-- not only is there the issue of design, there's the issue of intensity. Apple cares about a very small number of things, and cares about them intensely. At the end of the day, in Redmond, the sun rises and sets on Office and Windows-- everything else is a rounding error (though XBox is emerging). MS has demonstrated that their capacity to \"keep their eyes on multiple balls\" is very limited. Think about Pocket PC, Windows Mobile, Plays4sure,Tablet PC, Stinger phones. . . the list of not-quite-implemented MS initiatives is growing very, very long.<br><br>I suspect you can add Zune to that list.<br><br>And pop open a nice cold Zima while you're at it.<br><br>If you can find one.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-14_22:54:49", "killed": false, "user_key": "574e76da3df46b3e08bd6f980fe0358f", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658089": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Heck, Podesta, he has to explain how Mac users don't use anything non-Apple, but he admits that he's a Mac user that uses Windows. Duh. How's that for clueless?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_22:02:51", "killed": false, "user_key": "3aeb85796d88e54daedf94e769fda691", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658090": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Ok, I've just watched the video.  The dude talking about \"the product\" is an utterly interchangeable generic marketing dink, who would be just as enthusiastic about chicken McNuggets as he is about this thing he's hawking.  He nearly always refers to it as \"the product\", not \"zune\", not \"the music player\", not \"MY music player\".<br><br>Kawasaki could use this video as the textbook case of how NOT to be an effective evangelist.  For crying out loud, he DIDN'T EVEN KNOW the resolution of the display!  That clown is a perfect fit for the Zoon:  they're both worthless.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_21:36:04", "killed": false, "user_key": "8f8ff21a67437febebc70afd19364e95", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658091": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I just don't get why anyone would purchase this product.<br><br>1. MicroSoft has been saying different things for years re: why the iPod will fail and Microsoft's offerings would prevail. None of their prognostications have proved true. As a result, MicroSoft lacks credibility (see failed positioning statements below), the one thing you can't buy.<br><br>2. WiFi etc are features that are easily duplicatable.  Why would anyone purchase a product for a feature that can so easliy be added (and for which patents from Apple already exist)?<br><br>Failed MicroSoft positioning statements:<br>* people want choice in their music playing hardware<br>* people want subscription services<br>* everything is moving to cell phones<br>* we beat Apple in the 90's and we'll beat Apple again in music.<br><br>The company, in my humble opinion, is tilting at too many Windmills.<br><br>It's getting really sad to watch this.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_21:06:51", "killed": false, "user_key": "ee17d0018d258f96d8d0a5009ad6ad8a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658092": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Whoa, Nellyf.  Bat, you said:<br><br>\"My point was that Mac users will choose Apple products regardless. So it makes no sense for a portable media player to go after the Mac user market. Your response that \u201cApple owns the Windows market just as much as the Mac market\u201d (wrt mp3 players) is irrelevant to my point. The Windows market is more wide-open to competition from multiple companies. With the Mac market, competition basically dies once Apple introduces a product in a particular field, because Mac users ignore and mock competing products from that point on. I\u2019ve been a Mac user since 1986 and a Windows user since 1990. I know of which I speak. If anyone is \u201cclueless\u201d it\u2019s you.\"<br><br>To support your position, you must explain why products such as Microsoft Office and Microsoft mice are so popular with Mac users.  After all, there are Apple and non-M$ third party alternatives.  Take all the space you need to 'educate' us.<br><br>When you've done with that, DO explain why you believe Apple computers have three percent of the U.S.  market.<br><br>If Zune were The Perfect Pod, it would indeed eat into iPod market share quickly.  The reason it will not is that it is not even competitive.<br><br><br>Robert, perhaps if you describe your blog as being an expression of opinion in your masthead people like the fellows who are leaving will not get so huffy when opinion is what they get.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_20:12:53", "killed": false, "user_key": "fff84bc87483c130a095dba4c2969247", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658093": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Zune is already over.  It's fading out just like that \"Origami\" abortion a couple of months back.<br><br>I forget who it was that first wrote this, but I agree with it 100%:  How many times have you wanted to hand someone a song that you're listening to on your iPod?  Lots of times, right?  Now, how many times have you wanted to hand someone a song that will vanish in three days?  Never in your life, right?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_21:14:43", "killed": false, "user_key": "8f8ff21a67437febebc70afd19364e95", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658094": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "What the iPod did right, everything Sony did not.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_20:03:22", "killed": false, "user_key": "cab1041ab2de14f71e070c15f8ae968e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658095": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "If Zune Version 1 is as good as I'm seeing it, and if Microsoft stays committed to its success (as they have with Xbox), then I'm in.<br>The subscription service, the screen size, the built-in FM, the cool UI, and sure, the wireless sharing, are good enough to put it over iPod for me.<br>It's been well thought out, and I think we'll see many of the holes - like podcasting - filled painlessly in firmware releases.<br><br>- Harvey<br><a href=\"http://www.zunerama.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.zunerama.com</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_19:36:44", "killed": false, "user_key": "442556b4384aa630403f15190b4e2706", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658096": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Kevin: no, I meant at Microsoft. We were in a meeting where we were talking about what the iPod did right.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_19:45:28", "killed": false, "user_key": "3553f5e0db0fd1ec4e40a932a2d8f5b3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658097": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Podesta, you completely missed my point.<br><br>My point was that Mac users will choose Apple products regardless.  So it makes no sense for a portable media player to go after the Mac user market.  Your response that \"Apple owns the Windows market just as much as the Mac market\" (wrt mp3 players) is irrelevant to my point.  The Windows market is more wide-open to competition from multiple companies.  With the Mac market, competition basically dies once Apple introduces a product in a particular field, because Mac users ignore and mock competing products from that point on.  I've been a Mac user since 1986 and a Windows user since 1990.  I know of which I speak.  If anyone is \"clueless\" it's you.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_19:22:35", "killed": false, "user_key": "5b7036ef287d7dd95fe0bef8262ce015", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658098": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "As far as hardware design goes, the Zune isn't really that impressive. I own a sweet little handful that is thinner and has a much bigger, brighter screen than the Zune. It has wi-fi (that actually allows you to browse the web and get e-mail!) AND Bluetooth to sync it to my laptop. It can play .wmv and .mov video, MP3 and AAC audio, and display JPEG photos. The ONLY thing it doesn't have that the Zune has is a hard drive. But it does have an SD card slot for memory expansion. It also has great schedule and address book functions, many great games, handwriting recognition, can do Word and Excel documents, and act as a remote control for my TV and DVR. And it cost only $50 more than a Zune. It's called a Palm TX.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-14_20:59:13", "killed": false, "user_key": "58ea99621104f28aa7115261b4f7cf15", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658099": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Robert, Apple does provide software updates for iPods.  I don't know where you got the idea that they didn't.  Unless it's that you buy so many iPods for yourself and your son, that your purchases are more frequent than the software updates themselves; so you're getting the new software via hardware purchases. ;-)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_19:16:28", "killed": false, "user_key": "5b7036ef287d7dd95fe0bef8262ce015", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658100": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"I remember being in a meeting at Microsoft where someone showed off how much better the iPod experience\"<br><br>I think you meant Apple for this sentence.<br><br>Regarding the ability for Zune to update itself, how does this differ from Apple's ability to send iPod firmware updates through iTunes?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_17:54:43", "killed": false, "user_key": "dab046cf0f0daf2f288e4ecbfcadc56b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658101": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Vivek and Raman: this is my blog. Sorry you don't like it. Have fun reading something else. I don't want to be a \"reporter.\" If you expect me to be one, you probably will be happier over at <a href=\"http://news.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">news.com</a> or ZDNet or somewhere like that.<br><br>What you get here is what I want to talk about. Period. To expect something else will get you the reaction I just gave. Go somewhere else. It's obvious you want to read someone else.<br><br>As for taking criticism, I get tons of criticism. I think my record on listening and understanding criticism is unparalleled. If you think it's not, then maybe you aren't a smart reader and you might be happier reading someone else who doesn't expect a reader to be smart.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_17:38:29", "killed": false, "user_key": "3553f5e0db0fd1ec4e40a932a2d8f5b3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658102": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I wouldn't buy an iPod if it was half off with a hard drive full of all my favorite music. Not because it sucks, hell it seems to \"have been\" the best out there. I never liked those wussie Apple types who try to put themselves on the same plane as the vegan animal loving pita jerks. I'll stick to Microsoft I know whats good for me!!  No has been for me!!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-14_16:44:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "6f3dc0150971501c8316e942eb3ce9a1", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658103": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I think that all the people who are freaking out that Scoble is a human with opinions and is not a \"reporter\" are confused. Does the blog state anywhere that this is news reporting? No. 99% of all the crap on the internet posted as fact is opinion, so why can't Scoble openly have opinions and post about them without getting jumped by a bunch of cranks?<br><br>Lighten up. Quit holding other people to standards that your comments clearly indicate you aren't holding yourselves to (ouch - yeah, take THAT banana up the tailpipe).", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-28_06:17:07", "killed": false, "user_key": "bd71b7625ab84b4ff12d2cc0efccb05b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658104": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Dude, you cant write this stuff based on shit. For all you know is that the software upgradeablility will allow for hardware change (wireless purchasing). Microsoft even says that the whole point to this project is to test the ability of the Zune. Plus your kid is most likly a fag. Sorry to break the truth, but I purchased a Creative Zen Vision M, and guess what, everyone talks to me about my deviece.<br><br>Some kid with ipod: \"hey what you got there?\"<br>Your kid: \"a brand new iPod\"<br>Some Kid: \"o thats nice/cool\"<br>END<br><br>Some Kid: \"hey wat you got there?\"<br>Me \" A zune/ZVM/(whatever, not ipod)\"<br>Some Kid: \"Sweet, whats it do? How much did it cost, asks to see it, blah blah blah...\" and eventually admits that he should have bought one. Why, because apple dominates with commmercials, if these better/ same priced MP3/4 players actually did public advertising, then some progress would be made. Plus everyone seems to think that MS has no potential to be \"more creative\" than Apple. This is simply stupid and wrong, all they do is hire someone better than the guys at apple... DONE!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-04_19:56:15", "killed": false, "user_key": "e792631dafb3e35cf63099637b1191f4", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658105": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I am afraid I have to agree with Vivek. No offence, Robert but I will go elsewhere as well.<br><br>When viewers who disagree with you are continually advised to unsubscribe, your blog begins to lost its objectivity.<br><br>Thanks a lot for the good information and witty comments, Robert. Time for me to move on!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_16:53:02", "killed": false, "user_key": "f9d21a0e0c82579345b2f50213d32f12", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658106": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "First off, I am a windows guy, it's all I have ever known and I do not own an Ipod, why?  Because I want video as well and that 2.5 inch screen just doesn't cut it.  When I first heard the MS was making there own branded player, I thought hey it might be cool.  However, as I have read more and more and listened to various reviews and studied the specs what it can do and can't do....I think MS has really missed the boat, the Zune offers nothing, nothing. a bigger screen is great but where is the content?  And to top it off all the music I have bought from Play for Sure sites, such as WalMart, Real, etc will not work on this brand new MS product?!  Why?  They can't support their own program?  That's just nuts.  The sharing feature is a non factor, it is be honest who cares?  Forcing DRM and who are you going to share with.<br><br>No support for podcasts or videocasts, etc  Honestly tell me one good thing about the product, the price?  I can get an video Ipod with a more music selection and buy movies, shows and subscribe to podcast, etc.<br><br>I am a MS guy, I wanted to like this product but I can't they did it wrong, they had a chance to wow us instead you are left going \"why did they bring this out now?\"<br><br>Maybe they will be realeasing updates and add support etc, but to me that smacks of not being ready and that first impression is hard to overcome if it's bad.<br><br>And one last thing, giving Universal a piece of the pie because we are all thief's?!  MS caved, caved and for that they should be ashamed.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-14_13:43:05", "killed": false, "user_key": "b492045044c0443cc2140b01d7b7e688", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658107": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "There's still someone who thinks he can use Wi-Fi to check his mail on a Zune as much as the limitations of its Wi-Fi have been discussed?<br><br>Vivek, the digital media content market is not even remotely about backwaters like India.   For the time being and the foreseeable future this is a First World matter.  Heck, even much of Europe still does not have full iTunes Store access.<br><br>Isaiah, about a quarter of Americans currently own or have accesss to MP3 players.   It puzzles me that people like you and Bat Masterson just pull some arbitary figure out of the air instead of checking market research.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_15:57:10", "killed": false, "user_key": "fff84bc87483c130a095dba4c2969247", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658108": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The Macintosh incompatibility and podcast-unfriendliness are total deal breakers for me.<br><br>When I bought my iPod, I thought that I'd mostly use it to listen to music. As it turns out, podcasts have become my media of choice - I listen to them on my commutes to and from work, and most of my news and current events information come from podcasts (and textcasts.)<br><br>I'm sure that podcast support will be added to the Zune in later versions. But until then, given my listening habits, it makes no sense for me to switch.<br><br>And I use Windows at work, but an iBook at home. So I need my device to function with both.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_15:44:41", "killed": false, "user_key": "10f7b726fd7e1e338ff527ac77399876", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658109": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "First, Apple is not sitting around waiting for competitors to catch up.  It continues to improve and innovate even though it's on top.  Zune may add features and updates, but in that time frame, iPods will also.<br><br>Second, the Mac's market share of personal computers is low. That's all personal computers in all uses including enterprise. In home use where iPods and Zunes will compete, Macs have a larger market share that the stats quoted by some here.  Based on past Microsoft behavior, we would eventurally expect Zune for Mac.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_15:17:59", "killed": false, "user_key": "e797818682d14d83f00aac977f1767eb", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658110": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "MS Future Team: How about a cool prox viewing feature where xBox players can transmit the current game to Zune units within a 50 foot radius if the option is selected on multiple Zunes.<br><br>How many kids would like the \"watch me kick his but in blah blah \" game function. Talk about connecting. The new spectator sport while waiting to take on the competition and gaining strategy. I could hear it now \"Get him! Look out ! etc. \" Just a thought for the Zune team.  Robert ask Patrick what he thinks about the idea-r. Was that you in Bldg 42 on the 3rd Floor? ; )  Say hi to Bill.<br><br>Stealth blogging at its best. No not yet.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_14:29:13", "killed": false, "user_key": "6e0237c23c2b2985c691dfd237dc7757", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658112": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "This is a very useful comparison for buying.<br><br>I have had a case of Hamlet: Do be or not be in the iPod camp. But your post nailed the decision for me.<br><br>I was waiting to get the word on Zune before making a decision. Guess iPod is the way to go, especially if your son did not see anything different in Zune. The young ones are the harbingers for any kind of traction in the gadget world.<br><br>Thanks for the review.<br><br>Kamla<br><br>kamla", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_14:29:29", "killed": false, "user_key": "cbe77ce6f20c080f060c2e111c19709a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658113": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I know people that have itunes 5.0 and still have the 1.1 firmware on their iPods... event in iTunes it takes 30 seconds to upgrade.. there is know way that upgradability is a killer feature... most people don't care to upgrade.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-11_16:21:52", "killed": false, "user_key": "64029c12d260bd5e3cb2504f4155998f", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658114": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Oh I will unsubscribe not because you opine but because you can't seem to stomach criticism - it looks like only conformism works with you. I am ok with that.<br><br>I will take my 2 cents and my eyeballs elsewhere.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_13:47:06", "killed": false, "user_key": "02109748985cb76fc01d1618f9892204", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658115": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "A good post about Robert's view. If intrested check it out here<br><a href=\"http://www.zunester.com/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.zunester.com/</a><br><br>Its from a guy from Zune's team.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_13:41:01", "killed": false, "user_key": "f2b0f4021c5db7f3465cb67c318a61ee", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658116": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "so who want on the list for testing the Commodore Gravel in-Pocket ;-)<br><br>Robert and others feel more than free to give suggestions for our device. Btw we will release a SDK for develop and share your own apps for the Gravel devices.<br><br>cheers,", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_13:35:38", "killed": false, "user_key": "61c5650ba9ea39c48113cbef92802a0a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658117": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Great article Robert.  It seemed rather fair to both the Ipod and Zune.  In all actuality, this will be a very interesting battle.  The Ipod lemmings think it will go one way, the MS fanboys obviously think it will go the other.  I'm a subscription music listener for life.  I just can't go back to the pay per song model.  Currently, I use a sandisk with AOL Music Now.  I get good mileage out of it.  But, I want a traditional several-gig beast with the slickness of a Gigabeat S that also features subscription music.   With that being said, the Zune is an obvious choice for me.  It's not really about the cool factor or anything else.  If Apple offered subscriptions, then I'd give them a look.  Until then, I have no reason to look their way.  And since I'll be buying this 249 dollar device, they may be out of the picture for several years. And by the way, brown is the new white.  People either love it or hate it, and talk about a conversation piece...I can see people defending it now with heated battles ensuing, and you can be sure the Ipod lemmings will attack it venemously.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_13:27:22", "killed": false, "user_key": "f988f50507a8e8944834946ecd2e5428", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658118": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "best comment so far? #60, and mrbill!<br><br>\"hint\u2026the xbox 360 is killing ps3. microsoft is already working on the third generation xbox.<br>and I ask you again, are you ready to count them out before the zune is even released?\"<br><br>anyone else see the humor in this? :D", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_12:55:17", "killed": false, "user_key": "62df2ce940b84b60f8eef26d8e615c13", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658119": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "well i do agree that ipod is an overall better system for now but dont count the zune ot yet, remember this is only the first gen. you can also check out my ZUne review<br><br><a href=\"http://techelecfan.wordpress.com/2006/11/18/zune-review/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://techelecfan.wordpress.com/2006/11/18/zun...</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-20_00:25:50", "killed": false, "user_key": "79496507215196ca682ec62d1e06db70", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658121": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Zune will not live up to the hype.<br><br>Seriously...is this the best MSFT can do?<br>If so, they are dooomed.....and I hate to say it being a MSFT fanboy for years.<br><br>This is about design... the design doesn't even come close.<br><br>Best,<br>E. David Zotter", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_13:05:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "b40148da9f73336eacef6ffb8942b583", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658122": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I tried to force my daughter down the path of Napster and Creative player, I wanted her to have access to all these songs without worrying about pay-per-download. Blew up in my face. Subscription services to-go were WAY too confusing for her (and even for me). Sometimes they would just stop working. And of course she now wants -- and really always wanted -- an iPod.<br><br>I think there's a market for an Apple alternative -- isn't that a funny concept -- that will just slowly grow over time. Remember Internet Explorer, Microsoft MP3 player will have a similar path but ending I think more at 50-50, which would be a huge Apple long-term success story.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_12:34:37", "killed": false, "user_key": "f96ec17f0f4d8fca84ec63b463d2810d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658123": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Ok, Zune  has a better screen, resolutions and overall system, however, i would love if it had a bigger hard drive. Ipod is nice and all but it's way overrated. I reccomend a Creative Labs Zen Vision: M, best mp3 out there and you won't disappointed. Oh and Zune has better picture display. Ipod however has a bigger harddrive but Itunes is gay. I mean thats some serious homosexual crappy stuff.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-17_00:09:26", "killed": false, "user_key": "b7d4e9c6a3b72135547c453cf5d77d76", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658124": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Only geeks currently know what updating means, and they know that an update can reduce functionality.  The Vista license says that MS reserves the right to degrade the OS.  (If an update makes it impossible to do something that I could do before and I want to do said something, thats a degrade.)<br><br>Yes, Apple can degrade IPods through upgrades, but MS is the one with the bad reputation in this area.  That's an obstacle that Zune has to overcome.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_12:14:25", "killed": false, "user_key": "23743b93ffddd1558bbddc96a461444d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658125": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Robert - It feels sick everytime you ask someone to 'unsubscribe' just because they disagree with you or criticize. Not something a 'book author' would do regularly.<br><br>I am thinking how your blog entry would like if your car manufacturer told you to stop using 'their car' bcos you complained...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_12:15:09", "killed": false, "user_key": "3681046376d4642f38f2964fed3c97ea", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658126": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "How stable is Zune? Does it crashes? Does it have viruses?  Battery life? Just a few thoughts...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_12:11:05", "killed": false, "user_key": "613b78c88e3b57a9ac8a1c6eaab9f49d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658127": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "First of all, as mentioned on other zune sites and forums, Zune is not releasing any special wifi qualities such as wifi internet connection because they believed that buyers may think that it is too complicated to work and will warn other buyers not to purchase it because of the complications. They will however release different types of wifi interactions such as wireless syncing and internet access. Zune blew Ipod out of the water on this. If anyone has a PSP I'm sure you are aware that when they first came out they didn't have a web browser either, but they (like the zune) were able to update the network. This is were ipod goes under. File sharing is a neat quality to have because it introduces new artists to people but does not allow them to keep the songs permanantly, therefore making the user of the zune want to purchase more songs. The bigger screen also is a great success by microsoft. You can switch it to landscape so the screen isnt nearly as small as the Ipod. Overall, yes, Zune does have a good chance in this run.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-14_10:36:21", "killed": false, "user_key": "cd923c8e5d70053e98cb9797c1963a85", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658128": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I will not buy an iPod.  I will not buy a Zune.<br><br>In my opinion, they are just overpriced \"junk\".  Plus, I don't want to \"fit-in\" with the rest.  People look pathetic wearing their iPods on their backpacks or on their arms so they could \"show it off\".  Sad.<br><br>We are like cookies from a massive cookie cutter machine.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_12:02:22", "killed": false, "user_key": "6458155db3e32185f0ccd6983bc42845", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658129": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "First of all, as mentioned on other zune sites and forums, Zune is not releasing any special wifi qualities such as wifi internet connection because they believed that buyers may think that it is too complicated to work and will warn other buyers not to purchase it because of the complications. They will however release different types of wifi interactions such as wireless syncing and internet access. Zune blew Ipod out of the water on this. If anyone has a PSP I'm sure you are aware that when they first came out they didn't have a web browser either, but they (like the zune) were able to update the network. This is were ipod goes under. File sharing is a neat quality to have because it introduces new artists to people but does not allow them to keep the songs permanantly, therefore making the user of the zune want to purchase more songs. The bigger screen also is a great success by microsoft. You can switch it to landscape so the screen isnt nearly as small as the Ipod. Overall, yes, Zune does have a good chance in this run.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-14_10:37:59", "killed": false, "user_key": "882bc571344797ec4a523dad73a4781b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658130": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Dont listen to any of these people who are talking about the zune and havnt even used one. I bought one the day it came out and i think it is awesome. All of you people need to learn a lession. Im not against the ipod and im not for microsoft...im for a good product that will expand the market and make it better. The zune is a brand new product and yall are comparing it too the 3rd and 4th generation ipod. I love the zune. It looks nice, it is easy to use...and of course it is bigger...the screen is huge. So what if the quality is the same as the ipod. When you are looking at tv's you tend to look at the bigger one. Yeah from a 10 inch tv to a 40 inch tv the quality will go down...but half an inch...that isnt going to make it look worse...its just a bigger screen which is awesome. And about the whole no videos or anything on the marketplace...it just came out...give it time. We need something to create good competition so that prices will go down and  quality will go up. The zune is a great product...it may not have everything that the ipod has yet...but it has only been out for a couple of days..give it time. I would recommend the zune to everyone. It has its ups and downs...but so does the ipod. I think they are equal in there own ways. Just find the one that will work better in your life...just dont listen to reviewers who havnt even touched it yet...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-19_23:15:04", "killed": false, "user_key": "cbf7232e2edcd8e4cd582722a77bd1e2", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658131": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Vivek: I've never done much reporting here, even when I worked back at Microsoft. There is an unsubscribe button on your News Aggregator for a reason. You might be happier reading my Link Blog where I just link to other bloggers who are doing a good job.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_11:53:22", "killed": false, "user_key": "3553f5e0db0fd1ec4e40a932a2d8f5b3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658132": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "First of all, as mentioned on other zune sites and forums, Zune is not releasing any special wifi qualities such as wifi internet connection because they believed that buyers may think that it is too complicated to work and will warn other buyers not to purchase it because of the complications. They will however release different types of wifi interactions such as wireless syncing and internet access. Zune blew Ipod out of the water on this. If anyone has a PSP I'm sure you are aware that when they first came out they didn't have a web browser either, but they (like the zune) were able to update the network. This is were ipod goes under. File sharing is a neat quality to have because it introduces new artists to people but does not allow them to keep the songs permanantly, therefore making the user of the zune want to purchase more songs. The bigger screen also is a great success by microsoft. You can switch it to landscape so the screen isnt nearly as small as the Ipod. Overall, yes, Zune does have a good chance in this run.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-14_10:36:23", "killed": false, "user_key": "cd923c8e5d70053e98cb9797c1963a85", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658133": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "First of all, as mentioned on other zune sites and forums, Zune is not releasing any special wifi qualities such as wifi internet connection because they believed that buyers may think that it is too complicated to work and will warn other buyers not to purchase it because of the complications. They will however release different types of wifi interactions such as wireless syncing and internet access. Zune blew Ipod out of the water on this. If anyone has a PSP I'm sure you are aware that when they first came out they didn't have a web browser either, but they (like the zune) were able to update the network. This is were ipod goes under. File sharing is a neat quality to have because it introduces new artists to people but does not allow them to keep the songs permanantly, therefore making the user of the zune want to purchase more songs. The bigger screen also is a great success by microsoft. You can switch it to landscape so the screen isnt nearly as small as the Ipod. Overall, yes, Zune does have a good chance in this run.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-14_10:36:27", "killed": false, "user_key": "cd923c8e5d70053e98cb9797c1963a85", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658134": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "There's one significant problem with the subscription feature - having to give Microsoft a credit card for recurring payments. I had a paid hotmail account for a while (so I could get POP access). It was super easy to sign up on the web page. When I no longer needed it, it was super hard to cancel. There is no way to cancel online. I had to call. It wasn't easy to find the number. The place was only open certain hours (which didn't match my needs). The first time I called their \"computer was down\" and I had to call back the next day. Then of course the mandatory grilling to find out why I was leaving. Overall a really bad customer experience which ensured I will never sign up for a Microsoft paid service again. Back-end service quality matters at least as much as the product itself.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_11:21:42", "killed": false, "user_key": "ee4f677fbb3f70daf17fa8745772aa90", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658135": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "HEY SCHO, I LIKE YOUR STATS &amp; REVIEWS... YET IF YOUR REVIEW IS BIASED ON ZUNE THEN YOU MAY BE QUITE WRONG! APPLE DOES DESERVE THE DESIGN ON \"i-POD\"! YET M$ SEEMS TO ADAPT THE SAME...NICE BLOGGING...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_11:07:19", "killed": false, "user_key": "467c14e6d567b499a5835b3f3a8cdd3e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658136": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Good article Scoble..<br><br>as for the \"can i do this, can i do this\"... all of those features would rock, but they're all features that the music industry doesn't want you to do.  How much pressure did MS recieve from them?  I'm sure there's a lot.<br><br>The Music industry would collectively shit themselves if you were given a handheld device that played multi DRM formats, recorded radio, let you download music on the fly.<br><br>also, I'm sick of the indsutry using \"podcast\", and \"ipod compatible\".<br><br>My Jeep has had an audio in jack in it's stereo years before the ipod was dreampt of.  It's not ipod compatible, it's audio in.  (great for road trips.. hook up laptop through car speakers, watch movie)<br><br>It's genious marketing though. Almost a \"brand hijack\".  How many people actually buy ipods to listen to \"podcasts\"... and why did we need a name other than \"audio file\"?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_10:41:07", "killed": false, "user_key": "a15383a7cf1bcdaa410a65e59926bef1", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658137": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "go iPOD!!!!! :D", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_10:33:12", "killed": false, "user_key": "873e3482c5d199d23c92fac9886ffc48", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658138": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "am I the only person in the western world without an iPod ?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_10:28:42", "killed": false, "user_key": "bc74a3b093a43a0a76f0598cb865f3c9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658139": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I can check my e-mail at Star Bucks with a Zune.<br>Can you do that with an iPod? Just a thought; an old rumor I just started.<br><br>Drive the innovation.  Don't PM about the technology.<br><br>This is the forum to voice all of your wouldn't it be nice features for the teams that may or may not be listening.  PM = \"piss &amp; Moan\"  Be part of the solution. WHAT DO YOU THINK ?<br><br>Besides Robert said he would give his take on the technology after we told him our opinions. That's not armchairing, that's a wise blog guru.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_10:13:08", "killed": false, "user_key": "6e0237c23c2b2985c691dfd237dc7757", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658140": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Nice Post Scoble, though I would like to know if there is a price differnece between teh Zune and the pod, perhaps that would enable me to buy it!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_08:58:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "7cce12c3f718b4e7cc332b239e15067b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658141": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Good post Robert. A few thoughts....<br><br>(1) Your comments about iPod updating isn't very accurate. From the updating itself all the way through thinking it could be a killer feature.<br><br>(2) The fact the Zune doesn't work on a Mac brings to mind that at the beginnning the iPod didn't work on Windows. In fact, the tipping point for the iPod was when the iTunes Windows client was released.<br><br>(3) I agree, Zune has no compelling features today. It is a single model with one or two - easily copied - features to differentiate it from an iPod. To me THIS is the major point to remember. Just as Microsoft can easily add podcast support to the Zune, Apple can add subscriptions.<br><br>(4) So they really ARE going to call it \"Zune\"? Sigh. At least it's a step in the right direction - much better than the 7 versions of Vista... each with enough syllables to insure it can never roll off the tongue.<br><br>But what exactly IS a zune? Zune? Or is it zUne? I mean, the original iPod was pretty much that - an easily removable peripheral that seamlessly integrated with a piece of software that downloaded music over the internet.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_09:08:34", "killed": false, "user_key": "dba9deebd401367b9184dec7862ae04a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658142": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Scoble<br><br>It is increasingly becoming obvious that you are moving away from your role of a \"reporter\" to that of an arm-chair critic and the laundry list of know-it-all-comments that decorate your blog only perpetuates that belief of mine.<br><br>My 2 cents -<br><br>Corporates today only indulge you for historical reasons; they dont regard you as a credible source of input or information(except maybe for blogging and related matters)<br><br>Start reporting; Stop Opining. Opine on those things that you understand and are proficient at - corporate blogging, social networks, podcasts and so on.<br><br>Stick to the facts when reporting all else; else you sound hopefully inadequate and out of your depth.<br><br>Here's my take -<br><br>It really doesnt matter what 90% of 2% of a market owns or thinks of. The mp3 media market is largely untapped and there is going to be plenty of room for everybody without having to push and shove.<br><br>Please dont take my word for it - visit a country like India and you will understand what the drivers are. (after all this is the biggest retail opportunity outside of China isnt it?)<br><br>Buying an Ipod every 3 months is not it. Nor is having to break open a device to change batteries.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_06:47:50", "killed": false, "user_key": "02109748985cb76fc01d1618f9892204", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658143": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Sorry - read that as \"Hopelessly Inadequate\". My bad.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_06:50:10", "killed": false, "user_key": "02109748985cb76fc01d1618f9892204", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658144": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Zune packs some features in the hardware and surprises to come later in the music / video service.<br><br>The Zune is far better than the current iPod - which looks like something out of the 1990s - the click wheel iPod is history.<br><br>The Only way Apple can hope to survive being Zuned right out of the market is by releasing the full screen video iPod with touch screen.<br>While they are at updating the ipod, they might as well toss in camera, bluetooth wireless, AM/FM/SW radio, etc.<br><br>The electronics market has shown all too often how yesterday's got-to-have it hero becomes todays bargain bin rejects.<br><br>Now is not the time for Apple to be resting on it's past accomplishments.<br><br>If they are unprepared to compete with the Zune for the Christmas shopping season, at least Apple should have the next iPod ready for Jan 1st. 2007 - and try to capture some 'Christmas Money' sales at the tail end of the holiday season.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-19_10:54:07", "killed": false, "user_key": "b1a5d58ef8d0a1257a0bfb5cbd9ef12c", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658145": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "This is not ment to be an inflamitory question but does anyone have an opinion on these two MP3 players if they are just for normal use without all these speciall gadgets?  Don't get me wrong, I love all of these things as much as the next person but i would love to hear an opinion of someone who would just use it for some music and videos.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-23_19:10:02", "killed": false, "user_key": "e3d22e9662d6c24475565fb044e53d27", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658146": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "If the zune has WiFi then it will be so easy to update and give it more features. And im sure people will make cracks to get by the feature where when you send a song to a friend you can only listen to it 3 times... People always make cracks or other utilites for Mp3 players. The Ipod has linux where you can play  lots of different games and stuff. So im sure people will take advantage of the Wifi on the zune.<br><br><a href=\"mailto:david_A_2263@hotmail.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">david_A_2263@hotmail.com</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-12_15:16:22", "killed": false, "user_key": "12b0bcca461ac9a7c700683a27c08445", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658147": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I hate booth!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_05:32:28", "killed": false, "user_key": "e21ba0235e83a9e999a44aafda0a8968", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658148": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Another not-published or seldom-talked-about feature is guesting. A friend can take his Zune over to your computer, set up a \"guest\" relationship with your Zune Marketplace software (as opposed to a regular owner relationship), and you're free to drag songs and pictures from your library onto their device. These songs do not have the 3 play 3 day limit on them. Depending on whether you purchased or you're leasing these songs, you can do this with either 5 or 2 Zunes, respectively. So in essence, if your friend wants to grab a few songs off your library for listening to, they can\u2014 just not on WIFI.<br><br>Just another interesting tid-bit", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-23_19:39:52", "killed": false, "user_key": "e3d22e9662d6c24475565fb044e53d27", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658149": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Meow", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-11_10:19:11", "killed": false, "user_key": "a3fc03a04bb8ee3e74fabe8a618a8d58", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658150": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "As much as I kinda hate Microsoft, I'm a techie nerd and was really looking forward to something new.  I love my IPod, but new is hot.  I read in another review however, that there are no smart playlists.  That alone will keep me from even considering the Zune.  The screen is beautiful though, if it weren't for that playlist issue, I might really be tempted.<br><br>Anyway, reading your review and realizing I can't play my Itunes songs gives me another huge reason to avoid it (and reminds so much of why no matter how much you try to be open minded about MS, their propreitary crap will always screw you).  What are we supposed to do with all those songs?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-28_18:22:45", "killed": false, "user_key": "6a5b2e84bbe0553b2b96c137d7024526", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658151": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<a href=\"http://mikecane.wordpress.com/2006/11/10/live-zunes-in-nyc-to-fondle/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://mikecane.wordpress.com/2006/11/10/live-z...</a><br><br><a href=\"http://mikecane.wordpress.com/2006/11/10/zune-fondle/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://mikecane.wordpress.com/2006/11/10/zune-f...</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-11_09:44:15", "killed": false, "user_key": "462088a7f1468f209050aeb800035abb", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658152": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "WELL THE ZUNE IS NOT THAT POPULAR ENOUGH TO BEAT THE I POD WHICH HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG. THE ZUNE DESIGN SHOULD BE BETTER. JUST FACE IT U ALL WANT AN 80 GIG I POD VIDEO BECAUSE I KNOW I DO SO GET THE I POD PEOPLE", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-23_13:05:33", "killed": false, "user_key": "d0fc5792ef65ab64561e400057454791", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658153": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"several people have told me they didn\u2019t like the round control surface on the Zune because they were used to the iPod wheel and the Zune didn\u2019t work the same way. Once you get used to it, the Zune is just fine (and offers a couple of advantages\"<br><br>How do you know it's just fine when you get used to it? It's not just the controller hardware but the software also which you admittedly claim as:<br><br>\"Software experience: unknown.\"<br><br>There's no substance here Robert. And claiming it's better at integration because it works with Media Centre and XBox? iPod works with Macs, PCs, Linux machines, cars, stereos...<br><br>Zune doesn't work with anything other than Microsoft platforms. And not taking podcasts into account? It's a stinker, Robert. An absolute stinker.<br><br>With WiFi, you'd think that it would be perfect to stay up to date by the second with your RSS feeds (better screen too) and podcasts. An opportunity to be completely connected in a device designed for consumption rather than communication. But the WiFi is totally wasted and used solely  as a marketing tool to allow the labels to sell more music. And what's the chance that some enterprising scumbag will hack the WiFi and use it to share the first Zune viruses....<br><br>Zune is, by design, the ultimate antithesis of the iPod. Restrictive where iPod is accepting, open in areas that iPod would not go because those areas are not pro-consumer. Apple says \"Don't Steal Music\". Microsoft says \"Buy Music Now\".<br><br>Zune causes conversations and that's great. But they're all talking about how badly this device will fare. But shops will sell out anyway due to a stranglehold on the number of units released to shops. It's a bundle of marketing floss.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_03:28:15", "killed": false, "user_key": "9d21912a45fa96b9bf1a1ff4e5600a3e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658154": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "&gt;&gt;Which one ended up with more market share? The ones that the developers could extend the easiest.<br><br>Nice job. This is what I've been saying but have been a bit more blunt. Just like the original Xbox was hackable, if the Zune is as hackable (such as being able to turn on Wifi to connect to network or there's a way to trade songs with no limitations, etc) then maybe it has a chance with the edge group. That same group that bought mod chips in order to turn the Xbox into a media center that played nearly everything.<br><br>But the Zune won't reach a mass audience like the iPod has. Women won't buy it. How many women do you see carrying around a the feature-rich iRiver players? It's not stylish and nothing from Microsoft will become as cool as anything from Apple.  J. Allard and the Xbox team couldn't pull it off this time around.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_03:01:04", "killed": false, "user_key": "brettnordquist", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658155": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "A few other people have noted this but I would like to add to those who point out that Apple has been adding features to iPods via updates. Even my lowly 512mb shuffle has effectively been updated over time with some of the specific features that were missing when I first bought it (iTunes noting play times for items I played on the shuffle - and now it also tracks skipped songs).<br><br>Also re the podcast comment - my shuffle is almost entirely filled with podcasts. My daily routine is to run my podcatcher in the morning (Doppler Radio, still searching for anything as good for the mac) and then sync my shuffle (which is usually already connected and recharging overnight). I sync against a smart playlist of unplayed songs - so typically I fill my shuffle with 10-12hrs of podcasts - more than sufficient for my listening needs most days.<br><br>With the rare exception, I only use my shuffle to listen to podcasts - and though I may be an exception - I suspect I'm not the only person. For me the shuffle has a great set of features - small, nearly indestructible, lightweight. I am tempted however to get one of the new shuffles - which are even smaller and the clip looks pretty useful as well (I usually use the lanyard currently).<br><br>I may also get a nano or bigger iPod in part due to the cross platform compatibility (I have an iMac and a Thinkpad)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_01:56:45", "killed": false, "user_key": "5e1140855c47af5e6c5e548bec95a168", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658156": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I'm already hooked on Mac stuff so it would take something really awesome from the Zune to make me \"switch\". I have an iPod video and it's like another appendage. I'm totally embedded in iTunes and the way it manages music and podcasts, and now videos.<br><br>The only thing that was intriguing to me about Zune was the wireless. At the minimum it should have allowed syncing with a PC to copy files. The sharing thing is interesting but not cool enough, since you need more than one Zune for it to have any point.<br><br>We'll see but I'm predicting this is a loss leader and a doorstop to buy time for MSFT to come out with a better version 2 or 3.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_01:34:45", "killed": false, "user_key": "webomatica", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658157": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Only 2 profitable hits, been OS and Office, for all that \"domination\" nothing else has ever much paid off.<br><br>Here's the ADD-ON to your list. :)<br><br>late to...<br><br>Phones - Joke of a joke. Getting Symbian slaughtered. And as phones become more PDAish, even strict PDA domination will fade.<br>Tablet/Pen/UMPC tech - No one paying attention, all mostly wasted.<br>Web TV, Ultimate TV, MSN TV, Cable TV Ventures - Billions upon billions lost, but still puffing on that pipe with IPTV.<br>Web Servers - Apache deathtrap.<br>PDF copycats and eBook tech - DOA.<br>Graphics software - Ain't no Adobe.<br>Digital ID Tech - Passport? What's that?<br>Finance software - Microsoft Money, hahaha, do be serious.<br>Xbox/Xbox 360 - Both outsold by PS2, still BILLIONS! in the hole.<br>SPOT watches - Oh dear me.<br>OS - MSX and MSX-II. Grand Unified Vision, not.<br>Tech Toys - Microsoft Actimates...oh oh.<br>Web Conferencing Software - Dead already.<br>Content - MSNBC iffy, Slate, Sidewalk toasted, as countless other content partnerships. MSN Media Network the latest poke. Rathole.<br>Home Tech - Microsoft at Home (MAH)/Microsoft at Work (MAW) / BOB trainwrecks.<br>Hardware - Abandonware WiFi. Mouse and some halfway dominate still.<br><br>And more...and much more to come. I predict the Halo movie will be a Bonfire-like disaster.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_01:17:09", "killed": false, "user_key": "cab1041ab2de14f71e070c15f8ae968e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658158": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I think the point that Scoble has missed is that there is a LARGE market that Apple has not peretrated yet. The facts are that only 10% of homes(US) even own ONE PMP!!!! They arent trying to convert people who have 30,000 songs in iTunes or have multiple iPods in thier home. Microsoft wants the rest of the world that hasnt bought into iPod and if they can get 30-40% market share they are making MO'MONEY MO' MONEY MO' MONEY.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_00:53:13", "killed": false, "user_key": "3cd74bdcb8868c5893e115c1198c779e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658159": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "This is a pretty entertaining thread. There's nothing like stirring up the good 'ol MS is out to destroy the world perspective to generate traffic and discussion. Just some comments on some points made in other posts:<br><br>1. MP3 player penetration. Someone said that about 10% of the potential market has some type of portable player (and Apple has something like 70-80% share of this). Another person countered this and said the number of folks who have portable players already is much higher. I dunno who everyone hangs out with, but that 10% adoption rate seems closer to the truth which means there is potentially a huge market out there waiting to be tapped by Apple, Microsoft, SanDisk, or whomever. Certainly, there seems to be room for choice for the consumer.<br><br>2. I wonder if anyone from MS has ever stated for the record that Zune is an \"iPod Killer\"? I know that's the perception from the media, but it seems like everyone who has posted here laughs when Zune is mentioned in the same breath as the iPod ecosystem. I think you play right into Microsoft's hand by comparing the Zune to the iPod. If it really is a non-competitor, why mention it at all? I personally would rather see more comparisons with an Archos, SanDisk, or even Cowon or iRiver player. Certainly, they are more mature players in the market. Ignoring the Zune (if you really want it to fail) hurts Microsoft more in many ways than mentioning it negatively does. The fact that is coming up so often in articles indicates that people do think MS is a relevant player in the space, which is exactly what they want to establish.<br><br>3. iPod Repairs. I have a 1st generation Mini and the only thing I've had to do is replace the battery on it. I do have friends who have had their iPod \"brick\" on them, all when the warranty has expired. I think it's perceived that iPods fail more often than other players because there are simply so many more of them out there. How often you feel you should replace your unit because of obsolesence or mechanical breakdown is up to each individual.<br><br>4. Firmware upgrades. Yep, iPod and pretty much any modern consumer electronics device can be upgraded via a simply flashing of the firmware. I think the point of the Zune having more upside is that the raw hardware has more potential than the current generation of players (maybe save for the Music Gremlin). But I agree, the upgradeability argument is a bit misleading. I wonder if people would be taking about Zune so negatively if the software running it was Linux or some other embedded OS that was hackable?<br><br>5. iTunes Music Store vs Zune Marketplace. Completely agree that there is much less content in the Zune Marketplace than iTMS. Need to also say that both the pay-as-you-go and subscription options are going to appeal to very different people. To say that one system is better than the other is ludicrious and at least Zune Marketplace offers a choice. I do think the points system is confusing to anyone who hasn't used Xbox Live and certainly to anyone who has purchased anything from iTMS. Does it mean that it's simply a mechanism for Microsoft to deceptively make people spend more at the store? I think that's really stretching it. iTMS seems to be every bit as restrictive as the Zune Marketplace as far as buying so goes, and there is no subscription option whatsoever. Sure, stuff in iTMS has pretty flat pricing, but do you really want to spend as much money on the latest disposable pop song as something that is a back catalog item? It looks like the Zune Marketplace offers the flexiblity of pricing things differently, albeit at the expense of perceived simplicty. Oh, the whole Marketplace trying to deceive customers that there is more content there than is actually available argument is bunk. MTV does the same thing with URGE. Anyways, the Zune software is freely available to try out so you can see for yourself if it really feels deceiving.<br><br>6. Wireless sharing. Really, this is not a platform seller, even if the DRM restrictions were loosened up. That being said, at least it's an option with current generation of Zune devices. You want to talk about community and sharing? Pandora, Last.FM, and other music-centric social services are where the real action is going to happen (or are happening), IMHO. If Microsoft or Apple can integrate their device into services like this, then you'll really see the real music as a social experience happening on portable devices.<br><br>cheers", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-16_04:01:42", "killed": false, "user_key": "44cb5b2530ad4eabe88c5948b749ab94", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658160": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I think this the most telling of Robert's remarks is his claim that Zune offering subscriptions is somehow original and a 'killer feature.'  Has he been asleep for the last five years or something?   The subscription services, combined, have less than 20 percent of the digital content market.<br><br>Bat Masterson is a master of cluelessness, but this really takes the cake:<br><br>\"Regarding lack of Mac support:<br><br>This is not an issue. You know why? 99.99999% of Mac users will NOT choose a product against which Apple competes. They will choose the product that Jobs tells them to, end of story. That\u2019s why there\u2019s virtually zero (or only half-hearted at best) support for the Mac by other portable player makers. They know that Apple has that market locked up to themselves. The Windows market is much more competitive.\"<br><br>The Windows market belongs to Apple as much as the Mac market does when it comes to digital content and MP3 players.<br><br>(And, btw, Mac computer market share is above six percent now according to market analysts, not the three percent you make a habit of saying.   That's just the kind of foolishness I expect from someone who doesn't know the XBox is a loss leader.)<br><br>Microsoft fanboy apologia notwithstanding, the Zune will be an also ran for the foreseeable future.  (Assuming, of course, that M$ doesn't pull the plug altogether.)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_00:44:57", "killed": false, "user_key": "fff84bc87483c130a095dba4c2969247", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658161": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Mr. Scoble,<br><br>The downfalls of Zune? I think every time Matt stumbled or diverted on a question - there was your down fall.<br><br>How come you can't share video?!? Possible answer is that Soap Box will fit into that equation. BS, that users were just looking to share music. Heard of YouTube?<br><br>I like the features, but as you made note, maybe 3.0.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_00:30:57", "killed": false, "user_key": "bb5a6cc746566afd38ac5e9f55105d21", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658162": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Let's recap microsoft's efforts:<br><br>late to...<br>GUI OS - now dominates<br>word processor - now dominates<br>internet browser - now dominates<br>server OS - now dominates<br>pda software - now dominates<br>video games - now dominates<br><br>their next targets...<br>digital music<br>search technology<br><br>are you ready to count them out before the zune is even released?<br><br>hint...the xbox 360 is killing ps3. microsoft is already working on the third generation xbox.<br><br>and I ask you again, are you ready to count them out before the zune is even released?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_00:18:20", "killed": false, "user_key": "c028674a9112c6952d8b1990084c5d0e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658163": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "thanks for the review!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-27_00:13:03", "killed": false, "user_key": "829a121ed0c9ad72544c8cd293a5ee59", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658164": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Good Article overall. There are some inaccuracies (ipods cannot be update, etc) but hey, the rest of the article is still good..<br><br>If somebody goes to a shop to buy a gift for christmas this year, they would already know about the ipod family and their goodiness. They might have heard about Zune. Taking into a/c the feature rich ipod and also the varieties available to suit different budgets, I think a majority of them will buy an ipod. (If sony hadn't f***ed up the ps3 release, they might have considered that instead).. So, the fate for this holidays season is pretty much sealed I think...<br><br>So, the question is, what about next year and the future? Its difficult to see what will happen beyond the next year. Now, I would be surprised if Apple doesn't have a newer version or flavor of ipod up its sleeve. I think we all will get to see a lot of fun next year...<br><br>Anyway, keep up your good work...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-10_08:45:20", "killed": false, "user_key": "c56cec242afd89fa885d5b5c0b103720", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658165": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Here is the code Zune must live by:<br><br>The supreme law of the Bizarros' home planet Htrae, as transcribed below:<br><br>BIZARRO CODE:<br><br>1. US DO OPPOSITE OF ALL EARTHLY THINGS!<br><br>2. US HATE BEAUTY! US LOVE UGLINESS!<br><br>3. IS BIG CRIME TO MAKE ANYTHING PERFECT ON BIZARRO WORLD!\"<br><br>(Adventure Comics No. 286, Jul 1961)<br><a href=\"http://supermanica.info/wiki/index.php/Bizarro_Code\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://supermanica.info/wiki/index.php/Bizarro_...</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_23:54:20", "killed": false, "user_key": "2512b1ed42f8408fb0be73791122550e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658166": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The thing is that MS is basically not cool. All the Zune websites there are, are quite frankly nauseating. With captions like \" Hey Dude Youv'e got  a Zune\" is MS trying to sound hip and trendy. Sorry MS your'e not perceived as cool. You do OK software which because everyone else uses everyone is FORCED to get but don't try and get and make money out of one of my greatest pleasures, listening to music. I'll be getting an Ipod.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-10_08:26:35", "killed": false, "user_key": "4b822ea765d129eb9b6b1fdf7c25389e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658167": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I still like the sony netwalk mans. And Ipod is not the best! Might have been the first but its not the best", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-21_15:07:39", "killed": false, "user_key": "ca38e1232905c1c4ae5380a63d113ee1", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658168": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Great post! Here is a link to a post that I wrote several weeks ago that share the sameideas that Scoble wrote about (<a href=\"http://www.wrightin.gs/2006/09/zune_is_so_fing.html%29.The\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.wrightin.gs/2006/09/zune_is_so_fing....</a> biggest problem is that Microsoft is banking on this social sharing idea. Problem is that a lot of people have to own a Zune in order to share.I don't see that happening. Especially with a 1.0 product.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_22:50:13", "killed": false, "user_key": "0c0a14bc5890b9a64d9a6871910be05f", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658169": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I have a sneaky suspicion in my gut that it won't be someone making a music device that will win this battle. We're looking too narrow at the player-only feature first.<br><br>A hunch, is all.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_22:30:04", "killed": false, "user_key": "e3827a7c1741cf42d52a0ab0dc2dc9ff", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658170": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I am sure Apple R&amp;D reads your posts.  If not, shame on them.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_22:22:08", "killed": false, "user_key": "6e0237c23c2b2985c691dfd237dc7757", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658171": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Robert,<br><br>With your review and more especially the comments to your review, you just performed tens of thousands worth of free marketing research for both MicroSoft and Apple. The technical, business, marketing, sales, and projection data and strategic expertise here is worthy of Knowledge Wharton. Who exploits it faster may answer your original questions, analysis and conclusion.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_21:55:59", "killed": false, "user_key": "5db068145aabf0eb0960cf2cfe84a265", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658172": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Robert, You're dead wrong about updatability...iTunes 7 has excellent support in iTunes itself for applying firmware upgrades to your iPod.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_22:00:18", "killed": false, "user_key": "8d00a3b94ad158920ca8980269ca57ac", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658173": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Part 4<br><br>The User's Point of View<br><br>Here is one area where MS could have an advantage: they are essentially copying word-for-word from a playbook that has been wide open for 5 years.<br><br>Also, I expect that the software will include more social features and other extras. MS will, from a place of weakness, do whatever they can to add value.<br><br>However, this is where the change in strategy will hurt them. Users will expect PlaysForSure to be a part of the experience; there is no reason for it not to be. They will expect the \"openness\" that is at the core of Microsoft's standard strategies. It is not clear if MS knows how to do a vertical solution, nevermind if they can satisfactorily get people to accept their strategy hypocrisy.<br><br>Additionally, this will help Apple. All of the complaints surrounding the iPod (DRM lock-in, simplicity, battery issues) will be equally present in Zune. This will leave the iPod-haters with less of an argument against Apple's few unique \"problems.\"<br><br>The Ecosystem<br><br>As mentioned previously, the XBox or Media Center are inconsequential in comparison to the iPod's car market and other devices and the future potential of the \"iTV.\"<br><br>\"And, the Zune has a better software updater. I\u2019m already hearing that within a few days of release in mid-November that there will already be some new features released.\"<br><br>Also mentioned previously, this is nonsense. Holding back a few features for a couple of weeks after launch isn't promising. It's a gimmick to make it appear as if it will be frequently updated. Everything I've heard, seen, and read from anyone involved with Zune claims they've done massive R&amp;D and yet at the same time they claim they don't know what users want, what will be possible, etc... This is simply silly. In fact, we've already seen large steps BACK from what was originally announced: no DJ feature, for example, only per song 3 play-3 day sharing with an individual at a time.<br><br>\"If Microsoft can upgrade all of its Zune players easily with new features and games and such, then they can build experiences that the iPod can\u2019t easily get...\"<br><br>Woah, woah, woah!! The Product Manager told you they have no plans for games and have no interaction at all with the XBox team and you are already presuming they are getting games? Absurd. And why can't the iPod easily get the same thing? In fact, the iPod has already gotten many of these things via updates.<br><br>\"(and if third-party developers can play there, watch out.\"<br><br>Woah! Microsoft has already locked out of its device its existing partners, its WMP team, and its XBox team, and they are proudly proclaiming this is a closed, vertical system to provide simplicity and ease-of-use, and you are granting them 3rd party developers when already the iPod has iPod Linux and a vast community of hacks and apps, numerous apps to interact with the iPod, simple apps using its notes and other features, game development, exclusive and innovative apps via partnerships with Nike, and you are giving the advantage to the Zune? More silliness.<br><br>\"Remember 1989? I thought the Macintosh was superior to Windows. Which one ended up with more market share? The ones that the developers could extend the easiest.\"<br><br>Why should I care about your misguided views and poor predictions? Yes, you've shown a track record of being wrong over and over.<br><br>Conclusion<br><br>\"It\u2019s that last point that could turn into a killer feature. If software developers are enabled to build new experiences for the Zune, then we could see something killer come along that\u2019ll get more people interested in the Zune.\"<br><br>And from what we've explicitly have been told by numerous Zune sources and Ballmer and other MS execs is that we should not expect this at all.<br><br>Also, in the case of consumer electronics, it is the content, not the developers as it is in the PC world. Apple has a music catalog of 3.5 million; Zune 2 million. Apple has over 200 TV shows, over 40 movies, a broad podcast directory, thousands of music videos, and will continue to expand this more rapidly in more countries quicker than MS can come close to.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_21:47:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3aeb85796d88e54daedf94e769fda691", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658174": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Good interview Robert, the Microsoftie is young and looked Nervous, but otherwise I like what I see with the Zune, will this hurt Apple, not on your life, to much mind share and market share.<br>But then again Microsoft doesn't expect to make a dent against the iPod at first and this is a gen 1 product, I believe Microsft is thinking five years to establish itself in this market.<br><br>I wouldnt mind dumping my ipod, the big question here is can the software match the ease of use of iTunes,WMP 11 is pretty robust and seems faster than even iTunes 7, not surprising concidering how buggy<br>iTunes 7 is, but I need the ease of use and WMP 11<br>seems to be right there .<br><br>I guess I'll wait and see.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_21:40:30", "killed": false, "user_key": "f8115a683219bc26b6225c69b229046d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658175": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I have a 60 GB iPod, a 4 GB Nano and a 1 GB shuffle.  I recently ordered the new shuffle.  My wife has a 4 GB Nano and both kids have 4 GB Mini's.  I have over 30,000 songs loaded into iTunes and use two 200 GB Seagate External Storage Devices for back-up.  In my neighborhood, I'm not the exception.  Apple's advantage is what Seth Godin always raves about; i.e.:  being first has some serious advantages.  In this case it is the level of penetration that they have achieved and the level of complexity they have created relative to change.  It's the same reason I don't buy software from Apple....yea, you know it.  I'm a MS fan all the way when it comes to running my business and my home computing.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_21:34:43", "killed": false, "user_key": "b474b1c236ac8b0834e58dce0915a9e7", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658176": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "oh, and chris? get a life.. itunes, gay? yeah i guess it is since it is the number one online music store.. and it is the only online music store to reach top 5 in music retail overall... i guess itunes DOES suck and they really don't know what they're doing..", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-18_01:13:53", "killed": false, "user_key": "4902896e63dc9a00338bb9ecaeb5736e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658177": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "oh.. one more thing.. zune has better integration? my ass! ipod has built stable alliances with everyone from bmw to jaguar.. there's some integration for you! hmmm xbox? or car... i think car, but thats probably just because i have a life and dont play video games all day..<br><br>ps - xbox 360 is pretty cool, im not bashing it.. im just sayin' if i could choose between integrating my mp3 player with that or a frikin car... come on! not to mention the recently announced alliances with airlines? ipods are now integrated on the road and in the air.. zune? iintegrated on xbox.. congrats?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-18_01:21:33", "killed": false, "user_key": "4902896e63dc9a00338bb9ecaeb5736e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658178": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "ok look.. the zune will have problems when other companies start making software for it.. the zune will get viruses.. (its from microsoft, remember?) apple is, as of right now, unbeatable. everyone knows that apple is always thinking one step ahead of the game, while microsoft is just happy to get the zune out on shelves. steve jobs has been quoted \"2007 will be the biggest year for apple releases.\" he didn't let us down last year, and he sure as hell will not let us down this year.. 2006 marked the start of the microsoft decay.. 2007 should pretty much be the suffocating point of pc's.. sorry bill, but apples coming fast.. its scary to think about what they will be releasing next year. here's to 2007!<br><br>ps - itunes? = not gonna be beaten ANY time soon..<br>       zune? = come on... we've seen how microsoft's shit \"works already\"<br><br>zorry, but the ipod WILL stay in the #1 spot for a very long time", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-18_01:09:13", "killed": false, "user_key": "4902896e63dc9a00338bb9ecaeb5736e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658179": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Robert,<br>On Screen:  The screen on the Zune and video iPod is the same resolution.  The screen size is larger on the Zune, which actually makes the image easier to see, but the image quality will look worse.<br><br>On box: The box as pictured for the Zune is quite poor.  It only has a Zune logo and name.  No image or description.  (I realize that MS tends to over do it with description, but no description at all is going too far the other way) The current iPod package is now a clear box.  It is very easy to see what you get with iPod.  Zune box will only appeal to people who already know that they want  a Zune.<br><br>On subscriptions: So far the bulk of the Music services, except iTunes, already offer subscriptions.  To date that has not been a significant feature requirement based on current subscription levels.  Maybe MS will get Zune/Subscriptions right, but that is unclear at this time.<br><br>On updates: iPod/iTunes does and has done many updates, some are bug fixes, some add new features.  Prior to iTunes 7, iPod updater was a standalone program, but in iTunes 7 it is now integrated directly in iTunes. iTunes updates now part of Apple Software update on both Mac &amp; Windows.<br><br>Thats enough for now.<br>Mark", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_20:48:24", "killed": false, "user_key": "14ffdddd3766fce091d0d4b9ee4aeb46", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658180": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "BM said:  \"Unfortunately neither of you two are intelligent enough to recognize hyperbole, so you take hyperbolic statements literally and then attack them as lies or whatever. Truly pathetic.\"<br><br>So, Bat Masterson is still at it on this old thread?  Still putting down Apple in a doomed effort to score brownie points with Microsoft by brownnosing Scoble.    He is not the only sycophant around here (that MacBeach guy is quite competitive) but I must say his efforts are particularly embarrasing. (If Bat Masterson were capable of embarrassment, that is.)<br><br>Etienne said:<br><br>\"No, I don\u2019t troll. Just I don\u2019t understand: there is (sic) now a lot, lot, lot of MP3 players, and they are all very easy to use: plug it in your PC/Mac, then drag and drop the MP3s (with or without DRM, if the firmware allows that, that is good), put in your playlist generated with whatever tool (The Godfather, Winamp, Foobar, etc.), and that\u2019s it. You have the music you want, or more exactly the sound you want (I mean it can be music, show, podcast, etc.).<br><br>Not really, Etienne.  Other MP3 players  are not competitive with iPod/iTunes for many reasons.  I suggest you actually read this thread to learn what those reasons are.<br><br>Winking at Will.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-30_23:14:52", "killed": false, "user_key": "fff84bc87483c130a095dba4c2969247", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658181": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "&gt;&gt;Yah Dad, we don\u2019t trade iPods we go to each others &gt;&gt;houses and steals their music<br><br>scoble gets owned for over exagerration of stuff.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_20:33:42", "killed": false, "user_key": "e3e410634fd3a3e34ab9520ea815db27", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658182": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Yah Dad, we don't trade iPods we go to each others houses and steals their music ;)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_20:10:07", "killed": false, "user_key": "8bb88c733409c80a88661b1d9aca496f", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658183": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"This is not an issue. You know why? 99.99999% of Mac users will NOT choose a product against which Apple competes. They will choose the product that Jobs tells them to, end of story.\"<br><br>This is such a silly myth. 90% of Mac users use both systems because the work environment forces them to. Most Mac users will consider any worthwhile product.<br><br>And I'm not making a point about trying to attract that marketshare (although the Mac marketshare is greater than the XBox marketshare in pure numbers), but that it is not a more integratable device... in which case, it is relevant that the Zune can only connect to the XBox.<br><br>\"Goebbels, what makes you think that Zune can\u2019t do the sharing that you cite for iPod? Zune does have headphone splitters, you can share Zunes, you can plug them into a friend\u2019s computer, etc.\"<br><br>Did you miss the part where I said: \"This sharing on the iPod (and largely available to any DAP but less so because of smaller marketshare and less of an ecosystem) is more human and interactive and real than Ballmer\u2019s \u201csquirting\u201d with limited playback.\"? The point is: the extremely limited WiFi sharing doesn't enable or improve sharing in any meaningful way. It is essentially the sole differentiator, yet it is not a true differentiator.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_20:13:45", "killed": false, "user_key": "3aeb85796d88e54daedf94e769fda691", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658184": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Good article. Got a question though. The iPod works with an Xbox 360. You connect to it and you can play the (non DRM crippled) songs on it. Does the Zune does anything else? Can you buy songs from the Zune Marketplace with an Xbox 360? Can you use the Zune only with an Xbox 360 (no windows required)?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_20:01:21", "killed": false, "user_key": "4556a42d71a742a0a0a08472fb0d524e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658185": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "You are making a lot of asumptions of what Apple's software capability is and what they have up their sleeve Robert. Are you sre the excitement of getting some hands on time with the Zune team is not clouding your judgement that while the Zune is not released yet, but you know what's coming with it that you have forgotten that Apple is probably working on their next big thing which can occur at any time with no pre-warning?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_20:03:11", "killed": false, "user_key": "5054bcb4b8836ba06b1144d6bc45b8f0", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658186": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Nothing to add, I just wanted to say kudos to a really good comparison.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_19:48:26", "killed": false, "user_key": "7bfd646dea8e47642bbb573f026bf159", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658187": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Another thing -<br>Regarding lack of Mac support:<br>This is not an issue.  You know why?  99.99999% of Mac users will NOT choose a product against which Apple competes.  They will choose the product that Jobs tells them to, end of story.  That's why there's virtually zero (or only half-hearted at best) support for the Mac by other portable player makers.  They know that Apple has that market locked up to themselves.  The Windows market is much more competitive.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_19:49:21", "killed": false, "user_key": "5b7036ef287d7dd95fe0bef8262ce015", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658188": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Regarding podcasting, according to <a href=\"http://news.digitaltrends.com/talkback109.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://news.digitaltrends.com/talkback109.html</a>, only 20% of downloaded podcasts are ever transported to a portable player.<br><br>And I'd surmise that only 3% of portable players ever have podcasts transfered to them at all.<br><br>This is not a big deal.<br>And as was stated above, you can probably use a 3rd party podcast subscriber and just sync with the folders that that 3rd party app uses.<br><br>Dare is in the process of adding podcast support to RSS Bandit as we speak. ;-)<br><br>IE7's RSS functionality already supports automatically downloading multimedia attachments within RSS feeds (i.e. podcasts), so one can simply sync with the folders that IE downloads those to as well.<br><br>Not a big deal, IMO.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_19:44:44", "killed": false, "user_key": "5b7036ef287d7dd95fe0bef8262ce015", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658189": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Goebbels, what makes you think that Zune can't do the sharing that you cite for iPod?  Zune does have headphone splitters, you can share Zunes, you can plug them into a friend's computer, etc.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_19:57:12", "killed": false, "user_key": "5b7036ef287d7dd95fe0bef8262ce015", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658190": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Part 3: The Kids' View<br><br>Not much to argue here, but I'm much, much less enamored with the \"coolness\" argument. The iPod is cool because it is cool. It is a trendsetter, and Apple appears to have the vision to keep executing, keeping the iPod ahead of the pack. The \"Fundamental\" section of your comments shows that the Zune is not cool, nevermind cooler.<br><br>However, your point about sharing deserves comment. The iPod has always been a great sharing device: use headphone splitters, share the headphones, swap iPods, connect your iPod to a friend's computer or stereo or iPod dock, stash one of many small apps on your iPod so you can pull tunes off the iPod to share. Lend your iPod to someone for a day or two or longer. All of these modes of sharing trump MS's marketing speak about \"social experiences\" when thaty social experience is confined to a highly limited one-directional \"sharing\" aimed at adding some revenue to MS's coffers. This sharing on the iPod (and largely available to any DAP but less so because of smaller marketshare and less of an ecosystem) is more human and interactive and real than Ballmer's \"squirting\" with limited playback.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_19:44:06", "killed": false, "user_key": "3aeb85796d88e54daedf94e769fda691", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658191": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "This is a very biased and one-sided comparison.<br><br>So Robert, does the IPOD free you from DRM? NO!<br><br>In fact, the ONLY reason the Zune can't play iTunes music is because of APPLE DRM!!!<br><br>GIVE ME A BREAK!!!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_19:24:26", "killed": false, "user_key": "707f27812c3a735e0f352a9b1f7e2489", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658192": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Goebbels - thanks for the pointers. I am still not sure what 'web' is. You see, i am writing this message on a clay tablet and my genie would put that on this thing called 'blog'.<br><br>I see you are a wise man. Great predictions on iTV.<br><br>You should be very wise. You are able to write a big comparison story without having seen/used the device. ( remote possibility - you have seen it - Still thats not the one out of the box)<br><br>Aren't you going to predict 99% market share for macs also? I am tired of all market predictors. You can look up a couple of pictures/use some thing for 10 minutes and go on on how the market and the mass will react to things. Why dont you tell me that you knew GOOG would hit 485 today and YT will be bought for 1.65 billion...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_19:27:45", "killed": false, "user_key": "3681046376d4642f38f2964fed3c97ea", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658193": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Part 2<br><br>The Edge Case.<br><br>Firstly, I agree the Zune presents no compelling features for the geek.<br><br>Secondly, are you really continuing to argue that subs are the killer feature after 4 years of hype and zero success? Sad. Subs do not even register as a blip. You may buy into renting music for your entire life, but most edge cases either want to own or are willing to indulge in piracy.<br><br>Thirdly, who cares? Geeks may be a source of early penetration, but we are FIVE YEARS into the development of this market. The iPod is for edge cases, the mainstream, and those who weren't even big music consumers but are newly discovering they enjoy the personal device. The edge case might have been significant 5 years ago. Now, the edge is simply those geeks who want to hack the \"OS\" and who want support for a dozen barely used OSS content formats. Zune will never provide these \"edge case\" features, and the edge doesn't represent a significantly large enough market segment to matter.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_19:14:02", "killed": false, "user_key": "3aeb85796d88e54daedf94e769fda691", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658194": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Before moving on to Part 2, I realized I skipped a piece of my integration argument... So I'll provide a prediction. I bet you that by the end of 2007, Apple has sold more \"iTVs\" than MS has sold XBoxes. (Maybe that's too bold, but I bet the number is close... Say between 8 and 15 million.)<br><br>So... Not only does the iPod have 3000+ accessories, docks on 70% of all new cars, integration with both the Mac and PC platform (can I \"integrate\" Zune with a Mac?), but they will also have the same home integration at a higher level of functionality and probably greater ease of use with (the same or nearly) as many users.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_19:06:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "3aeb85796d88e54daedf94e769fda691", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658195": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I think the iPod will win this and probably the next round mainly because of one thing: brand awarenes.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_18:54:44", "killed": false, "user_key": "f3b41bc009a402017febfab746770bc5", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658196": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "devil's advocate, yes, I do. Since it's a self-evident and well-known fact, you can use this thing called the web and Google to find out for yourself. I see know reason to try to teach you something.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_18:53:34", "killed": false, "user_key": "3aeb85796d88e54daedf94e769fda691", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658197": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Part 1<br><br>\"Box design: good. As good as iPod.\"<br><br>This isn't very \"Fundamental\" or important to the success of the product. Just doing better than the horrible job MS usually does does not provide any advantage. It's nice to see, but rather insignificant. More important will be how it is displayed: Apple has its own stores and millions of users allowing anyone to sample an iPod. Microsoft will be behind a glass case in a box in WalMart.<br><br>\"Look and feel and overall hardware quality: good. As good as iPod. I actually even liked the brown one a lot.\"<br><br>But you are missing size. On this type of device, the slightest difference is immensely noticeable. You can see this within the iPod community between generations. I know people who upgraded, not because of features, but because of size. Zune has a HUGE disadvantage here.<br><br>\"Screen: better than iPod.\"<br><br>Debatable. Not much bigger, lower quality. And we only have one point of comparison. Apple has 3 devices: one with no screen, one with a small screen, one with an average screen. It is now the appropriate time to buy into rumors and expect a much larger and better screen than the Zune in the next 3 months, if not before the holiday.<br><br>\"Hard drive size: worse than iPod.\"<br><br>Yes.<br><br>\"Features: mixed bag, we\u2019ll get into that below.\"<br><br>Yes, below.<br><br>\"Price: in the right neighborhood.\"<br><br>But probably costly to MS without the proper scale at this time.<br><br>\"Marketing: unknown, but Apple has set such a high bar that I doubt Microsoft can even get close.\"<br><br>True, but the \"viral\" campaigns have been pathetic and scattered. There does not appear to be a strong, focused marketing message. Will wait...<br><br>\"Software experience: unknown.\"<br><br>Agreed. Why didn't you push any buttons on this? This is MS's \"integrated\" experience and the best we have is a screenshot of the library. That's it. If the software is so cool, so community focused, why has MS been unwilling to prime the hype pumps on this aspect?<br><br>\"Updateability: better than iPod (if I were Apple I\u2019d worry about this).\"<br><br>Woah, woah, woah!!! This is absurd! Because Zune doesn't have the many, many features people expect and they say, \"Well, we could add that in the future\", you say it has better upgradability? Absurd! Apple Macs had been far ahead of PCs in terms of upgradable firmware, and the iPod has always had upgradable firmware. The rest of the market has upgradable firmware. You haven't seen the software, Zune hasn't been released (nevermind refreshed)... You can't claim it's more upgradable! The device will have its limitations as all hardware is by definition constrained in its software upgradability.<br><br>Maybe it can be said that Apple has a preference to not work on upgrading older models to drive adoption of new generations, but it can't be claimed that the Zune is more upgradable.<br><br>Hell, we've recently seen how even \"renegade\" companies like Archos have released \"upgrades\" which limit features. For all we know, Microsoft will have to impair its WiFi because of studio pressure. We can't just give them a star for claiming they may or may not add features in the future because they don't have them now and because they've discovered this thing that's existed for years called \"upgradable firmware.\" Sorry, Scobie, but you are just sucking on the old teet on this one.<br><br>\"Conversationality: (Does it cause a conversation). Here Apple wins with the white headphones hands down.\"<br><br>Apple wins here, hands down, agreed. But not because of white headphones. They win here because they have a clear, focused vision which is reflected in their products, advertising, strategy, etc...<br><br>\"Integration: beats the iPod cause it works with Xbox.\"<br><br>What? Because it can stream (when connected by a wire) to a device owned by less than 20 million people it has an advantage in integration? What about 70% of US cars having iPod docks, what about 3000+ accessories, what about connecting any mp3 player to any home entertainment component. Sorry, ZERO advantage Microsoft.<br><br>Fundamentals you ignore:<br><br>Strategy confusion, abandonment: what about PFS devices and stores?<br><br>Media experience or music experience: Zune is primarily focused on music. What is, where is MS's strategy on TV, films, other video, podcasts, games, and personal information like notes, contacts, calendars? MS has had PMCs, Smartphones, the XBox, etc... for years, yet they ignored these other personal media experiences in the Zune. Why?<br><br>A Family of Products: How do you get WiFi in a Nano? How do you tout that bigger screen in a shuffle-like device? How do you hit every price point selling a rebranded third-party product with very low volumes?<br><br>The full ecosystem: MS can catch up here, but their strategy seems to be give the higher margins to the retailers but put the risk on them (inventories, advertising, etc...). Apple may not be every retailers friend, but the advertising happens on its own without work, and even if margins are lower, the inventories fly off the shelf. Likewise, MS's strategy seems to be to provide many of these accessories themselves. Apple does so as well, but not as broadly -- kitschier products, smaller niche products, higher end items. How does MS get the ecosystem if they are providing most of the accessories themselves? How does MS attract the truly significant partners like Nike when they will have a much, much smaller share of the market?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_18:51:27", "killed": false, "user_key": "3aeb85796d88e54daedf94e769fda691", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658198": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Basically Microsoft Corp made the unholy trinity of mistakes on this one.<br><br>1. They pre-bashed a beloved brand (I-Pod) out of the gate and called their yet un-tested, un-marketed, un-available product \"The I-Pod Killer\".<br><br>2. They came to the market with a product that rebuilt an entire system from the ground up, in an area that was already dominated by the I-Pod. Instead of focusing on a product that was cheaper, lighter and more stylish that might have worked in tandem with the I-Pod.<br><br>3. They made it in \"National Park Bench-Brown\", which is to say the unholiest of colors. Brown is not the new black, it is brown, plain and simple.<br><br>Just based on the color alone I see this product as DOA. Fortuntely Microsoft Corp has lots of money so they can refocus on other products they can also color brown...good Christ, what were they thinking!?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-15_13:29:43", "killed": false, "user_key": "4c4553595475a5354f3d49e87caad0a0", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658199": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I don't get how upgradability is a major advantage over the iPod?<br><br>Apple has released iPod firmware updates for years. And since iTunes 7 has been released, everyone will be alerted of updates and be told to install them.<br><br>Example of updates to Apple firmware: addition of AAC support when the music store was introduced, addition of podcast support, Nike+iPod support, etc.<br><br>If Apple ever feels the need to match a software feature on the Zune, it will take a simple firmware update.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_18:39:39", "killed": false, "user_key": "61aa5138ccf9606158a3efdbcb5c1b0d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658200": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<i>I know who I\u2019m putting my money on.</i><br><br>Well, you will have to put that money on, once, twice, thrice, again, again and again, never-ending really. The Microsoft Beta Test Ecosystem Defense Fund. And Sony, even given it's trainwreck-level massive problems, still has a worldwide PS3 footprint marketshare that will vault them to the top, in terms of raw numbers. In fact, they already outsell Xbox and Xbox 360 combined, that with a 6 year old VGS.<br><br>If you started, and bet on Win CE/Pocket PC from the get-go, you would have had to buy 6 devices, sometimes much more depending on the OEM you chose, per various firmware and chipset upgrade issues.<br><br>Expect the Early Adopters, the MVP and other freebie entitlement Webmasters and other Microsoft Mobius-leeches like that, to go bonkers. Everyone else, wait 2-3 years before you even start to pay attention.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_18:39:01", "killed": false, "user_key": "cab1041ab2de14f71e070c15f8ae968e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658201": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "For me, the lack of the ability to sync down audio or video netcasts/podcasts over wifi is a real missed opportunity.  Granted, they will probably do this as a software update but that would be the killer feature to have at launch, particularly as broadcasters such as the BBC are offering radio and TV shows this way so you can mix UGC with traditional broadcast stuff.  Since I will never buy or download protected content, the whole Zune store thing isn't very interesting, neither is the sharing (the 3x3 thing kills that for me).  Plus, my new T-Mobile Dash phone is so sexy I'm wondering if I really need a separate device at all.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_18:38:09", "killed": false, "user_key": "f1a0a4ffadb8de89a02ad00b34ff2da3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658202": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Goebbels - any stats to back your claim?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_18:27:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "3681046376d4642f38f2964fed3c97ea", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658203": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Before responding to Scobie, I have to respond to this:<br><br>\"This man is very close to to destroying Sony\u2019s Playstation.\"<br><br>Ha, ha, ha!!! Sony can screw itself and sit on its ass and the PS2 still outsells both the XBox and the XBox 360 combined currently. The XBox 360 is selling SLOWER than the first XBox. Destroying Sony indeed.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_18:25:04", "killed": false, "user_key": "3aeb85796d88e54daedf94e769fda691", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658204": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "im a huge apple fan but i unfortunatley cant see apple keeping up their ipod domination unless they come up with more inspiring features outwith more battery time etc.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-25_20:18:07", "killed": false, "user_key": "8d16f3477e1c14598b08699d351b9535", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658205": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I think Apple needs to be careful.  Love or hate Microsoft, almost everything they touch turns to gold.  There were lots of people saying that the Xbox would fail, and it is #2 in the market, and with the year heads start and $200 price difference with the PS3 it may end up #1.  The fact that it is easy to update the Zune is something great.  You soon will be able to purchase TV shows and movies on your 360 using points, don't you think that will soon be available for the Zune?  You can play your Zune through you 360 using the USB.  Plus I don't care if a car has an iPod dock, for about $4 at Radio Shack I can buy a cable and plug my MP3 into my head unit.  I have been doing this with my Zen for 3 months now.  iPod isn't giving people what they wantno FM radio, no larger screens, no wi-fi, nothing, just new colors and better battery life.  The status quo won't keep you on top.  Ask Nintendo, 1994, nobody could forsee Nintendo being anything other than #1 for video games, and less than 10 years later they were #3.  People wanted CD's for games, and Nintendo gave them carts for the N64, and people wanted their game systems to have DVD's and Nintendo gave us the Gamecube, now people want HD capabilities and Nintendo failed on that too.  Lager storage space and better batteries will only placate people for so long.<br>    These complaints about the wi-fi being limited, atleast it has wi-fi nobody else does.  The complaints about not playing Play for Sure stuff, no big deal burn it to CD and rip it into Zune.  I am not sure if this will be iPod killer or not, but integrating it with the Xbox is a great feature.  But finally someone who has the money to throw at Apple can take a serious run at them.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-18_13:48:25", "killed": false, "user_key": "15532d08bb6751aeffff6e3e442285f0", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658206": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Scoble is STILL Microsoft's bitch.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-30_18:33:15", "killed": false, "user_key": "561fe9c89c867931f381013b9054c486", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658207": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "MS has been famous for releasing faulty software and devices\u2026 so updateability is a must!<br>At the end, there will be over 3 versions of this Zune device\u2026. and I\u2019m sure ipod will release some version of the ipod with wifi connectivity if the time becomes that you download music directly to your zune \u2026 that is not too hard to implement\u2026 I may say this antenna for ipod may be plugable and sold like any other ipod plug in.<br><br>Besides\u2026 as usual, some crazy guy with nothing important to do will figure out a way to install a linux kernel on the Zune\u2026<br><br>This is so typical that honestly I don\u2019t feel any excitement about the launch of this player.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_17:43:10", "killed": false, "user_key": "2c56616ae1543889a8437d9f96760f93", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658208": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The Zune product team is run by J.Allard. This man is very close to to destroying Sony's Playstation. Zune is round 1 of at least 12. I know who I'm putting my money on.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_17:45:36", "killed": false, "user_key": "d6810b407ba79229e680a78af9aba6c5", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658209": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I'll be buying a Zune because of the subscription music. I've been using Yahoo music for a while now, and I love it. It's really amazing to have access to so much music, and I really think its a \"killer\" feature. But the user experience with the current \"playforsure\" services is terrible. The software (e.g. Yahoo music engine) is slow, the music transfers are unreliable, and the hardware is a mess. Every player seems to be unreasonably slow when playing the DRM'd tracks, and none provide a good user experience. But Zune can fix all that.<br><br>Also, I don't think podcast support is quite so important - if anything, video is the cool hip thing at the moment (hence youtube's success). Of all the people I know who have ipods, only a very small percentage listen to podcasts. And Microsoft can easily fix the issue in future firmware versions.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_17:37:02", "killed": false, "user_key": "2f92511f3e286c5f94f3c2d7ac17a918", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658210": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "doods im 15 and i want a zune, forget the ipod because it doesnt have the WI-FI FEATURE! IF ALL KIDS HAD This wi-fi feature on the i-pod of course the zune isn't anything, but i think zune will take over!!!!!!!!!!!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-29_15:11:49", "killed": false, "user_key": "e1349ab099574870cc75efedf08b9c87", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658211": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Robert, I like your review.  I have been using the Yahoo music subscription service for the past couple of years and thought about switching to Zune, but in the end decided to just order a new Creative Zen Vision:M for $200 and stick with Yahoo for now. Yahoo  Music is a bit cheaper solution for a subscription music solution and works with a couple of other older devices I already own.  I think the second generation Zune will be worth a look in 18 months or so.<br><br>Like you said market share changes in music playing/purchasing platforms will likely depend on youthful customers - Microsoft faces an uphill struggle due to Apple's marketing genius and reasonably decent hardware and software engineering.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_17:35:52", "killed": false, "user_key": "0f2d6ed297b9db02446a44fc6cf5dd30", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658212": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "But let\u2019s look deeper. The Zune has a wifi antenna. Can I use it to download music without hooking up to a computer? No.<br><br>This REALLY would be an advantage, imagine being able to get music anywhere, I am sure microsoft could quite easily implement some kind of browser technology to enable end users to be able to do this, lets face it there are web browsers compact enough to run on a pocket pc or a mobile phone, if you were able to download via WI-FI with no PC needed I would probably not think twice about getting one of these.<br>****************************<br>It is a shame to see that this is yet another device that does not free the user from DRM, however if people would only purchase their stuff legally then maybe there would be no need for DRM in the first place.<br>****************************<br>Updateability: better than iPod (if I were Apple I\u2019d worry about this).  I Agree 110% this has to be a distinct advantage for Microsoft.<br>*****************************<br>Shame that it does not work with a mac, though I would have to say this does not cause any problems for me as I use my mac only for design work and photo editing and my PC for everything else, but I can kind of appreciate the need for cross platform support.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_17:21:03", "killed": false, "user_key": "7860e6b2b0a35ab5c86202446086a7c1", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658213": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "If you did a feature based comparison like this one on Youtube Vs Google video which will come on top?<br><br>Even if YT wins it will be by a very small margin. But the market trend didnt quite obey that.<br><br>If feature based scientific comparison was the way to predict markets and trends we wouldnt have failed products", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_17:15:25", "killed": false, "user_key": "3681046376d4642f38f2964fed3c97ea", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658214": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Size and functionality will keep zune from zooming.<br><br>I have a shuffle that made it through the hot water wash and the very hot regular dry cycle inside my cargo pants.  I would be far too afraid to re-create the same scenario for the Nano or Zune.  I like many others have the shuffle for hard use and the Nano, iPod\u2019s are reserved for cool town casual stuff.<br><br>I believe the Zune will become your \u201cFathers Oldsmobile\u201d.  Pre-loaded with Lasik commercials.  The smaller screen on the Nano is somewhat of a litmus test, don\u2019t trust anyone over 40 deal. Check this out on my Nano ... hang on I have to get my reading glasses.<br><br>Multiply the error times 10 and see if the size has a big impact.  The same logic applies to all error analysis.<br><br>Bigger was bad-er. I; would also stick to the iPod.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_17:13:46", "killed": false, "user_key": "6e0237c23c2b2985c691dfd237dc7757", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658215": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I'm pretty sure 'Updateability' is not actually a word.<br><br>I also fail to see why you think having or wanting to update your music player often is a good thing. And for the tweaking-inclined ipod owners there are replacement firmware/OS solutions0 like Rockbox: <a href=\"http://www.rockbox.org/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.rockbox.org/</a><br><br>In fact, I bet they will be running on the Zune in no time, and hackers (in the good sense of the word. Stupid media) like them might open the Zune's rather crippled wifi to its full potential. Because this p2p 3xplay stuff is really rather lame.<br><br>I'm still getting massive use out of my 40 Gb non-video non-colour screen ipod that I bought some 2-odd years ago. To be fair, I did replace the battery recently with a fresh heavy-duty one. If it were to break down right now, I'd probably buy another ipod; I'd have a hard time choosing between the rather sleek and light 8 Gb nano or the fat 80 Gb ipod for the packrat in me.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_16:45:14", "killed": false, "user_key": "15ceeef84bcec075e2dc57c844b8dbcf", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658216": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "You make some good points.  But let's look at these that I think are a little glaring:<br><br>\"But let\u2019s look deeper. The Zune has a wifi antenna. Can I use it to download music without hooking up to a computer? No.\"<br><br>I agree, that would make that killer feature much more \"killer\".  How about throwing a browser on the Zune too?  Then work with Verizon and get a MP3/phone combo that Apple is possibly working on.<br><br>\"Does it work with a Macintosh? No.\"<br><br>Not really a deal breaker at this point.  You are going to have a hard time convincing any self respecting Mac user to give up their Steve Jobs goodness.  So why even try in that market out of the gate?  And MS really only cares about numbers.  3% doesn't amount to much.<br><br>\"Does it free me from DRM? No.\"<br><br>Neither does the iPod, so I don't see why this is even mentioned.  I hate DRM myself, but no player is going to free us from DRM.  Only the big, bag record labels can.<br><br>\"Can I use my iPod music on it that I\u2019ve purchased on iTunes? No.\"<br><br>You know better.  Since the iPod is an \"accepted\" closed system, everyone thinks that this is an advantage.  But the iTunes purchased music is all DRM'ed, so I couldn't imagine this any other way.  And with a big player like MS entering the market, any chance of Apple opening up their DRM to competitors is now nil.<br><br>\"Can I record off of the FM tuner? No.\"<br><br>Agreed.  Hopefully this will be one of the upgraded features.  Given their experience with MCE, I would imagine we will see it at sometime.<br><br>MARKETING<br><br>The marketing I have seen has been pretty good, and is innovative in a viral sort of way.  Remember something about the iPod marketing.  Apple wants us all to \"think different\", however, how are we all thinking different when we all have the same device?  I think that in the teen/college aged sector, there are still plenty of people out there that are anit-cool, whereas they don't like those things that everyone else thinks are cool.  If MS taps in to this marketing niche, I think they can find some success in the market.<br><br>In any case, MS has already stated that they are in this for the long haul, and don't expect (and shouldn't) to win it overnight.  Strong second is what they hope for, and with an expanded product line, downloadable features, and what I am going to assume some sort of hackability, they should be able to do it.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_16:52:36", "killed": false, "user_key": "d3fc10f74b02d2530327a0e6575eb1ca", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658217": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Wi-Fi on such a small device is a killer feature and we will be sync'n with our PC's for content.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_16:56:45", "killed": false, "user_key": "9b646ff3eeda1f01cc2b1cb86d1634f9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658218": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "&gt; Remember 1989? I thought the Macintosh was superior<br>&gt; to Windows. Which one ended up with more market<br>&gt; share? The ones that the developers could extend<br>&gt; the easiest.<br><br>Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. Microsoft wound up with marketshare to competition (hardware) and a lack of competition (operating system) caused by Microsoft's manipulative processes.<br><br>Because there were lots of PC compatible box manufacturers all making the same product they competed on price driving costs down. To Apple's view, there was no competition and therefore no need to keep price down. Apple guessed wrong and people chose low cost computers over high priced computers.<br><br>But that doesn't mean buyers chose Windows - that's just what came installed on the box they bought. Lots of us formatted the drive and installed the OS we really wanted. This double charge for an OS eventually gave Microsoft the upper hand and their competitors were driven out of the market.<br><br>But don't make the mistake of thinking we chose Windows or that the PC platform won because it was superior. If superiority were the issue we'd all be using systems based on IBM's PS/2 computers.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_17:06:15", "killed": false, "user_key": "0d369f1d42c1c677e16777b75f58a2a5", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658219": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "one huge thing, i wonder why microsoft lost it..<br>i mean windows media player, common should that sync instead of the zune marketplace..<br>thats pretty lame.<br>wifi thats pretty lame.. if i cant use it so stream or sync music with...<br>whats the point then... i am not gonna share songs with some one alone...<br>maybe its true.. we wait for version 3.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_16:41:14", "killed": false, "user_key": "08319b232a33ec46f928b68eee27bbdf", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658220": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "&gt;&gt;I don\u2019t really think that podcasts are such a big &gt;&gt;thing for kids right now. I would say it\u2019s kind of &gt;&gt;lame to see a kid subscribing a podcast.<br><br>Actually i know some kids listening to major nelsons podcast. IF there are gonna listen to some podcast from SUN ceo or google or MS programmers, there is some big problem.. This is not the age to worry to much about technology. Rather play and have fun", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_16:40:55", "killed": false, "user_key": "e3e410634fd3a3e34ab9520ea815db27", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658221": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "again one last thing. There is no use scolding MS or Apple for DRM. The music companies dont want that. If MS or apple refuses to implement that, the music companies are going to stop selling cheap music. It is as simple as that.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_16:39:26", "killed": false, "user_key": "e3e410634fd3a3e34ab9520ea815db27", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658222": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "So here's why I think the Zune might make an OK go at it...everyone has an iPod.  What was one of the biggest factors of picking up an iPod?  The cool, hey look, that guy/girl has an iPod.  That no longer works.  But if Microsoft gets behind the Zune from a marketing standpoint people may pick it up just to be the cool kid on the block again.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_16:27:29", "killed": false, "user_key": "666fb9fa4728f51f34a0ea32aa83529d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658223": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "&gt;&gt;Does it work with a Macintosh? No.<br><br>Does it really matter?? WOuld you or 99% of the ipod crowd bought it if it was not compatible with a PC/windows --&gt;&gt;&gt; NONONONONO.<br><br>I am sure the marketing guys at microsoft are intelligent enough to make it compatible if Mac continues to grow.And it will appeal even more to 85% of the office crowd using MSoffice in their work place where they have no permission to install itunes. Zune will be integrated in wmp. A HUGE advantage.<br><br><br>&gt;&gt;Kids point of view<br><br>Frankly its not the kids point of view. Its your point of view. He gets an ipod coz you allow that. Another parent having a PC might be more inclined to buy a zune seeing a microsoft logo there. And yes kids love gadgets that can integrate with xbox.<br><br>Read somewhere that microsoft is going to make its point system ubiquitous. You play games or share movies and you earn points. Use that to buy song. Now that is cool as well for gamers and Kids.<br><br>&gt;&gt;The Zune team didn\u2019t show us the OOBE (Out Of Box Experience<br><br>Well you no longer work for microsoft. And even if you had, the zune team might have had some restrictions on leaking out the features. This is hardly a reason to worry about at this stage. Wait for some more time.<br><br>&gt;&gt;But, for now, I\u2019d stick with an iPod.<br><br>You have too. Even if you wish there it is not for sale :)<br><br>&gt;&gt;The Zune has a wifi antenna. Can I use it to download music without hooking up to a computer? No.<br><br>Again it depends on the demand. If more ppl want that feature, it should be easy to implement. Sell a wifi reciever, update the software and it should work seemlessly.<br><br>&gt;&gt;Zune doesn\u2019t have a microphone.<br><br>Nor does the ipod have. Atleast my shuffle has none (btw i got the shuffle free..otherwise i might have<br>got something cheap that fits a students pocket).<br><br>&gt;&gt;Zune doesn\u2019t have a podcast client.<br>&gt;&gt;Zune doesn\u2019t have a way to subscribe to Rocketboom or ZeFrank or any other videoblog.<br><br>Guess you are confused here. A podcast client and a way to subscribe are in no way RELATED TO ZUNE. ZUNE is the HARDWARE. These are SOFTWARE. All microsoft needs to do is a software update. And yes, they need not be in hurry as 99% of teh ppl using computers have not heard podcast (and/or) not used it yet like me!!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_16:32:17", "killed": false, "user_key": "e3e410634fd3a3e34ab9520ea815db27", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658224": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I agree with the post. Right out of the box the Zune is no iPod killer. We all know it, Apple knows it and above all Microsoft knows it. Right out of the box 1G Zune is an entry point. It\u2019s a basic device which tries to get the basic right.<br><br>However I think the some interesting features are going to come in as updates. After some time when a few thousands Zune are sold and all the minor glitches worked out, that\u2019s when we will see the upgrades.<br><br>I don\u2019t think the form factor of the G1 Zune has mush role at this stage. In case the form factor really becomes a problem MS can easily introduce a new Zune with different design. Over a period of time it will be worked out.<br><br>Sometimes I think the missing features in Zune can also be a sort of marketing strategy. Let the device go out with a couple of features missing and add it within a couple of days of release to garner attention. I am sure adding support for podcast will not be that difficult through an update.<br><br>As for voice recording I don\u2019t expect this to be added. Nor games. They will like to stay with the music and introducing those at this stage takes away from the main message.<br><br>Finally all will hang upon the updates. That gives them a huge advantage. They can basically introduce any features which they think people are missing the most. In other words the product can evolve.<br><br>However I am wondering if anyone sees any features in Zune which are not there, but are present in iPod(except for podcast)?<br><br>Rohit<br>PS : Maybe theory of 3G product with MS still holds....", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_16:34:32", "killed": false, "user_key": "f2b0f4021c5db7f3465cb67c318a61ee", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658225": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "In unrelated news, Scoble relates anything to anything else.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_16:37:33", "killed": false, "user_key": "de2f5c8241377188175f6cc030644427", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658226": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I don't really think that podcasts are such a big thing for kids right now. I would say it's kind of lame to see a kid subscribing a podcast.<br><br>Probably what's going on here, is that <a href=\"http://podtech.net\" rel=\"nofollow\">podtech.net</a> feels left behind by the lack of this feature on the Zune.<br><br>If podcasting was as cool as they say, that feature would have been there since the first version :)<br><br>$0.02", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_16:37:54", "killed": false, "user_key": "2486dbcb3a31fdc9012948a8f5cd4f93", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658227": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "what would be good is if zune or apple were to include a specker in the device such as that in my rokr.  it has great sound quality and adds a whole new dimension to the player.  if the zune was to have a speaker first i think that could be the breakthrough feature for mictosoft.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-24_11:36:44", "killed": false, "user_key": "8d16f3477e1c14598b08699d351b9535", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658228": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "PSS - Sorta come back with the UI, sooo Zune is PMC2 then?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_16:24:46", "killed": false, "user_key": "cab1041ab2de14f71e070c15f8ae968e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658229": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Good analysis, but it really matters little in the long run, as Microsoft doesn't command that pop culture edge needed to take this bigtime. And it's just a beta test anyways, like the UMPC/Tablet/Smartphone/Pocket PC, better off waiting for version 2 or 3 or multiple firmware upgrades.<br><br>PS - Whatever happened to the PMCs? Wow...that's disappeared faster than anything. All the rage for Microsoft at CES, and gone in 60 seconds.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_16:22:54", "killed": false, "user_key": "cab1041ab2de14f71e070c15f8ae968e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658230": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"Zune doesn\u2019t have a podcast client.\"<br><br>Not trying to spam, but as the subject is lack of podcast support and third parties filling the gap...<br><br>We just released <a href=\"http://feedyourzune.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://feedyourzune.com</a><br><br>It's an RSS video aggregator that's integrated with the Zune Marketplace software - to \"feed your zune\" video and audio podcasts.  It's a stand alone client app based on the FireAnt platform.  New interface, two integrated directories (FireAnt and Network2 guide) it's fast and, dare I say, almost bulletproof.<br><br>Enjoy.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-18_21:21:21", "killed": false, "user_key": "27810984142f4346da3760af1adbfdc2", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658231": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I agree with you, as the sound of your blog. I think it will take alot of effort to convert me to some other MP3 player than my IPod Nano 2GB than something else. Because i like the service and the amount of songs that are available on iTunes. Too simply put it, Microsoft won't get any \"ipod\" customers. Why? Because the ipod users are very satisfied with their selection of music, film and podcasts. And i still think ipods are more wanted than other different kind of mp3 players. At least here in Sweden or probably Scandinavia. It still would be cheaper than a Zune or other mp3 player in the same range.<br><br>Yours Sincerely<br><br>David Feldt", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_16:13:44", "killed": false, "user_key": "bc196b959f8fec93a0495ccab7dd89f1", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658232": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I do not think missing podcast support is that big of a deal, especially considering it will watch the folders and sync up properly.  This will let you use a 3rd party rss/podcast sync to download the files into the proper folder.  Its not \"ideal\" but i personally cant stand using iTunes, so for me, it falls under the \"at least as good\" category.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_16:17:01", "killed": false, "user_key": "5459ea7a9c170f57fb6c1fbec4a4d3e2", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658233": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Obviously, nobody is going to take down the iPod in the near (or even foreseeable?) future.<br><br>This first version of Zune is a Toshiba Gigabeat + wifi + slicker UI (and the Gigabeat is using Portable Media Center 2.0 UI, which is already slick in its own right).  I have an iPod, but I've regarded the Gigabeat as the best all-around portable digital player; that is, until the Zune.  This first Zune's successors will be the ones that Apple might have to worry about (those will likely have the podcast support; and the aftermarket products will be more established (it's being established even as we speak)).  As it is, all of the other players do have to be concerned with the Zune, even if Apple isn't.<br><br>Now, regarding the \"kid's view\".  You're obviously rich, to have your kid trading $300 dollar gadgets with other kids without the first care in the world as to whether they get lost, stolen, broken, et.  In my neighborhood, nobody \"trades iPods\".  Those that have them guard them.  They don't have the money to replace them if something goes awry in such trades.  But Apple has always appealed to the rich, so maybe they do have a stronger hold in that segment of the populace.<br><br>And why would \"white earphones\" be a conversation starter?  Not in my experience.  If it is, what color are the earphones of the white Zune?  If it's white, does that nullify that particular \"advantage\"? ;-)<br><br>I'm interested in build quality too.  The increasing reports on message boards regarding people going to two or three iPods in 24 months is worrisome.  If Zune has better build quality (and that'll be up to Toshiba), then that's a big advantage right there.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_16:15:35", "killed": false, "user_key": "5b7036ef287d7dd95fe0bef8262ce015", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658234": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "One area I don't see mentioned in this or any other article comparing Zune to IPod is that Zune is, for now, one product. IPod has three distinct versions. In my household, we have all 3 (shuffle - for my workouts, Nano - for my wife, full size - for my large music collection in the car). If I'm not mistaken, the Nano is the biggest IPod seller. If Microsoft is going to make a dent, it will be based upon quickly extending their product line to compete against the Nano too. And not just emulating it, they have to surpass it widely.<br><br>Also not mentioned so much is the experience of buying or copying music to the Zune. Will their version of ITunes be easy? Will it just work? Or will it be a drawn out process (see the comparison videos at <a href=\"http://www.37signals.com/svn/posts/84-web-developers-microsoft-has-no-idea-whats-going-on\" rel=\"nofollow\">37 Signals</a> for an example....", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-26_16:06:18", "killed": false, "user_key": "0ac71735c489e224a432041a07b7509b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658235": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Steele, I've been commenting here for over 4 years. You know the time period when he worked for a certain company that had a better media plan than Apple, etc...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-29_14:18:10", "killed": false, "user_key": "3aeb85796d88e54daedf94e769fda691", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658236": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Goebbels, your point in calling yourself \"Goebbels\" is a shot at Scoble for being a \"propagandist?\"  For whom is he spreading propaganda?  Sure, he sings the unqualified praises of Google more than I would, but I wouldn't call it \"propaganda\".", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-29_13:40:24", "killed": false, "user_key": "69fdf1c08d35ada3d96a37fad03b7072", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658237": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Wow, dozens of repairs per week versus tens of millions sold per quarter! Don't try to whore your business with a lame comment masking the spam!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-31_10:49:34", "killed": false, "user_key": "3aeb85796d88e54daedf94e769fda691", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658238": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "What about SOUND QUALITY??<br><br>It's the Zune any better?<br><br>The iPod sound is just rubbish (I still use it and all my kids have one BUT it's the greatest disappointment I've found)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-02_08:05:43", "killed": false, "user_key": "4f9c15f14a9737ae31c05e43eaf472e2", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658239": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The Zune is awful.<br><br>1. The fake touch wheel is really four buttons covered by a plastic ring.<br><br>2. It won't play any of the music I already bought online from Microsoft, iTunes, or Napster. I'll need to now buy the tracks again from Microsoft to play them on Zune.<br><br>3. The MS music store hides the fact that it only has about half as many songs available as iTunes. (i.e. they pretend they have Beatles music, for example, but they don't)<br><br>4. MS music store has this mandatory \"buy MSPoints and use them to buy music\" cash exchange system that is clearly designed to push the price of a single track past 0.99 without you knowing they've done it. All they have to do is change the DollarMSPoint exchange rate at any time, and it's done.<br><br>5.  --- The totally enforced DRM is ridiculous ---<br>  You can only beam a particlar track to your buddy's Zune once.<br>  You cannot forward a beamed track.<br>   A beamed track gets deleted after 3 plays, after which you have to buy it from the MS music site.<br>   If you start a song, then stop it, that counts as a \"play\" (if you get more than 90 seconds into it).<br><br>6. Zune won't connect to MS Media player, to any Mac or even Windows Vista.<br><br>7. Zune can't receive podcasts, can't be used as a hardrive for other files, treats your own CD MP3s as if you don't own the songs.(deletes them after 3 plays if 'beamed').", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-15_17:25:33", "killed": false, "user_key": "5c843aee6cf31b16347ff0f8425b743a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658240": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "You seem to base alot of your argument on the fact that the zune is compatible with the xbox and that the ipod isn't, but this isn't true.  I use my iPod all the time with my xBox to play songs while playing games or just to chillax.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-15_10:38:44", "killed": false, "user_key": "6dfcc31f386f6e97ffb327e2f6b27dd8", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658241": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I have got threw about 8 ipods since they were released and iam not satisfied for a start Apple has the worst custormer servie i have ever had to deal with a ipod does not last more then 6 months. Ipods just malfuction alot. I have a microsoft computer like mos people and if something ever goes wrong iam sure the custormer service will be just as good and as for the wi-fi that is the best idea for an mp3 player, it drives me insane when my friend has a new cd he brought of itunes i asked if i got put it on my ipod it took me 4 hours and $10 of software to do it. As soon as i can get hold of a zune then i will be the first custormer.<br>From<br>Will", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-18_10:50:16", "killed": false, "user_key": "a8c2dbb623f5f7ff246bec21d16dfc9f", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658242": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "OOBE? they already have songs, pics, and videos on it so i think its pretty flashy out of the box", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-06_16:54:03", "killed": false, "user_key": "a29129aaef9d60b01c16da0ec6a22922", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658243": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"Goebbels, you have some nerve calling me \u201cclueless\u201d when you choose to name yourself after a Nazi propagandist who murdered his own children.\"<br><br>Why does my nick make me clueless. You go on and on about hyperbole, but I can't use both hyperbole and irony in my nickname at a propagandist's site?<br><br>How hyperbolic are you being? Is it 75%, 50% of Mac users? What? 50% of Mac users would still be 10 million more Zune users than MS has now. Isn't it somewhat clueless to make a claim that you yourself are 100% a contradiction of?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-29_12:05:33", "killed": false, "user_key": "3aeb85796d88e54daedf94e769fda691", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658244": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "i am an anti- microsoft person and will never use another microsoft product again after hey refused to provide me support!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-25_15:14:55", "killed": false, "user_key": "62a051bba95ad2944f5122e274d9147f", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658245": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Looks like you've written on a popular topic. You know, at first I was really impressed with iPod and thought it was the most fabulous thing (and I still use my nano all the time).. but it has a lot of small operational errors. If Zune can beat iPod by working smoothly and having good customer service, I'm sold. I'm impatient and I hate my expensive tech toys to screw up.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-25_13:09:34", "killed": false, "user_key": "ac6588816ceac2b1f6ad80f4d6ba8410", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658246": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The Zune is awful.<br><br>1. The fake touch wheel is really four buttons covered by a plastic ring.<br><br>2. It won't play any of the music I already bought online from Microsoft, iTunes, or Napster. I'll need to now buy the tracks again from Microsoft to play them on Zune.<br><br>3. The MS music store hide the fact that it only has about half as many songs available as iTunes. (i.e. they pretend they have Beatles music, for example, but they don't)<br><br>4. MS music store has this mandatory \"buy MSPoints and use them to buy music\" cash exchange system that is clearly designed to push the price of a single track past 0.99 without you knowing they've done it. All they have to do is change the DollarMSPoint exchange rate at any time, and it's done.<br><br>5.  --- The totally enforced DRM is ridiculous ---<br>  You can only beam a particlar track to your buddy's Zune once.<br>  You cannot forward a beamed track.<br>   A beamed track gets deleted after 3 plays, after which you have to buy it from the MS music site.<br>   If you start a song, then stop it, that counts as a \"play\" (if you get more than 90 seconds into it).<br><br>6. Zune won't connect to MS Media player, to any Mac or even Windows Vista.<br><br>7. Zune can't receive podcasts, can't be used as a hardrive for other files, treats your own CD MP3s as if you don't own the songs.(deletes them after 3 plays if 'beamed').", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-15_17:23:39", "killed": false, "user_key": "5c843aee6cf31b16347ff0f8425b743a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658247": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Zune is like X-box the real deal, Apple has the lead but Microsoft has the money and ability take a giant bite out of (tiny) Apple, few people are seeing what's going to happen.  MSFT is going to take Apple to school just like it's did to ADM, Playstation, Google and soon Apple.  Mr. Softie has a lot of cash and the ability to pay for private companies to improve a great product which I-pod is but to make it better, over the course of time Apple and Google will bleed red and Microsoft will continue to be the greatest technology company on the planet.  If you think that Apple has won the war you are a fool, the war has just begun, buy MSFT and Zune and admit the big dog always get's the bone!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-03_15:29:16", "killed": false, "user_key": "5e34903c805c49f0c912e1ba35aef3d6", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658248": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I wonder if the Zune will have less hardware problems than Apple's MP3 player.  As someone who operates an iPod repair site:  <a href=\"http://www.ipodcorrectors.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">www.ipodcorrectors.com</a> I see dozens and dozens of the same problems each and every week.  Perhaps Zune will take note of these issues and make an improved MP3 player.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-31_07:35:05", "killed": false, "user_key": "bdb07f44f7405a1ad30ab6cf669973f2", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658249": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I have a Motorola Q phone with @ gig Sd card and Motorola Bluetooth wireless headset and Ipod 80 gig ( love the Ipod and can barely tolerate using media player on windows smartphone) Perhaps MSFt could take a subset of Zune player and sell it to Smartphone or PoCket PC devices that already have some wireless capabilities and a lot more market presence.<br><br> I have owned several Creative and I-River products over the last few years. Ease of use and synching music were continual pains so much that I eventually switched to Ipod photo a few years ago.<br><br>For me ease of use and a fast response from the device while scrolling or searching among songs podcasts videos and photos is most important.<br><br>I like to fly a paraglider using the wireless  blue tooth headset and using my q phone , but for most day to day music and podcast listening I use the IPOD. I would more likely buy a Ipod like device with bluetooth built in and wireless headphones.<br><br>I would use that feature much more than using WIFI to share music. If the useability of wireless sharing is not pain free (if it takes too long or is too much hassle to share songs wirelessly ), it degrades the value of including that feature.<br><br> I agree that Zune has no compelling must have features yet. Third party plugin's would be a great idea to extend its value.<br><br>Does ZUNE have any ease of use features like:<br><br>Ability to delete song from device directly without docking to computer<br>Easily create and manage playlists<br>Find a song among thousands of songs<br><br>Did the Zune product managers ask any mainstream users what their priorities would be to improve the Ipod for useability ?<br><br>Zune is trying to create a splash with features that may not be compelling to people most likely to buy such devices..", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-03_15:09:09", "killed": false, "user_key": "63c508cc8b3c535c92c2dfc5af8ec403", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658250": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I read someplace that \"J Allard plays chess... [other developers] play checkers.\"<br><br>It seems this way with the Xbox and Zune. With these two, he could build such an impressive ecosystem that extends way beyond just a PMP and computer.<br><br>Also, the \"update-ability\" of the Zune sounds nice. Especially if they have an update waiting to come out as soon as the product drops! I wonder what features it will unlock!<br><br>Maybe they should put him in charge of breathing new life into the media center boxes.<br><br>(Oh... and I am a Mac/iPod user.)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-05_17:10:45", "killed": false, "user_key": "6b5240db3526243bb94a96bd6b3aea8e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658251": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"If software developers are enabled to build new experiences for the Zune, then we could see something killer come along that\u2019ll get more people interested in the Zune.\"<br><br>NO! A bunch of developers doing uncoordinated bits and bobs here and there takes you back to why MS needed to try a Zune in its closed environment- a closed, perfectly created and perfectly executed environment that delivers...<br><br>No signs of that yet, because it lacks 1) imagination 2) innovation and 3) passion.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-30_11:45:10", "killed": false, "user_key": "3bc53f9cdd32d324e8a14b2d453ff4bd", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658252": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "phill:j, you're not the only individual in the Western World, whatever that is, and however that is defined, who lacks an iPod.<br><br>Microsoft's problem is of course, its usual bull-at-a-gate charge at the (perceived) problem, shedding money like a snake its skin, and sense like a desperate maiden aunt at a too-readily available tradesman.<br><br>Perhaps if it took another look at the issue, and asked what other things a Zune could do, to integrate the Zune with the massive prior investment in computer software and hardware, its chances might look a little more hopeful.<br><br>What I'm thinking of, is this - how many of us have more than one computer?  How many of us have sound cards, etc, for each computer?  How many of us would rather have a single node for that function, networked to all the other computers and capable of connecting seamlessly to whatever operating system we are currently using?<br><br>And Microsoft hasn't seen that?  I think that desperate maiden aunt comparison might be a trifle unfair to maiden aunts, who aren't usually that stupid - maybe a headless chicken is a better comparison.<br><br>Just my 0.02c - inflation again! ;)<br><br>Wesley Parish", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-31_05:34:06", "killed": false, "user_key": "041df34bb32de260b772c8ae71541a88", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658253": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "the only reason why the ipod did so well is b.c apple made it compatible with windows.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-18_09:25:42", "killed": false, "user_key": "fac93b701731a72f8ad7616296d42f0f", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658254": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "We have to compare ipod and Zune from a marketing perspective. Zune's purpose is to grab a portion of the  ipod market. To effectively do that, it should atleast have similiar compatibility to the ipod or imporved compatability. Zune doesn't. I believe this is another ploy to try and make the masses windows dependent.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-15_14:47:01", "killed": false, "user_key": "e2537f40aa3eea5a73c24f2773352e20", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658255": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"Can I use my iPod music on it that I\u2019ve purchased on iTunes? No.\"<br>Is this a theoretical question?  I thought you told us you didn't put up with CRAP.<br><a href=\"http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/2006/03/27/does-your-product-have-c-r-a-p/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/2006/03/27/does...</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-30_00:37:58", "killed": false, "user_key": "a8d45eb679f61feec4ebc2c8197831ee", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658256": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Maybe someone can explain me why the hell the Ipod is soo much cool, and \"we have to have one\".<br><br>No, I don't troll. Just I don't understand:<br>there is now a lot, lot, lot of MP3 players, and they are all very easy to use: plug it in your PC/Mac, then drag and drop the MP3s (with or without DRM, if the firmware allows that, that is good), put in your playlist generated with whatever tool (The Godfather, Winamp, Foobar, etc.), and that's it. You have the music you want, or more exactly the sound you want (I mean it can be music, show, podcast, etc.).<br><br>OK, the capacity is not on the level of the Ipod or hard drive equipped MP3 players, but my... How many hours of \"sound\" can you put on a device like that and really listen to?<br><br>On the other side, I found PDAphone to be the Ipod killer *for* *me* I mean: small computer, with MP3 capabilities, video, phone, etc. Developpers can extend it very easily (with the SDK). And for the memory, well, you are currently limited to 4GB, seems tp be ridiculous compared to HDD... But no mechanical parts, means (usually) longer life for the support. The weak part being the battery I admit.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-29_04:27:23", "killed": false, "user_key": "63db4f77f4f5f04c17aa995c19919998", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658257": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<a href=\"http://mikecane.wordpress.com/2006/10/02/the-future-is-social/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://mikecane.wordpress.com/2006/10/02/the-fu...</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-28_21:55:37", "killed": false, "user_key": "462088a7f1468f209050aeb800035abb", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658258": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Are we seriously comparing this Zune thing to an iPod? Am I on candid camera or something? Microsoft and cool in the same sentence? Microsoft and innovative features? Can anyone hear themselves here?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-15_21:29:08", "killed": false, "user_key": "f0023b0d6e3db7716b359ca4297756d9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658259": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I suppose the thing for me is that both products suffer from the same problem, the battery is not replaceable by the purchaser. This makes them an expensive piece of dispensable technology and so I would not buy either of them. Also the ipod does not play all formats and offers less features than comparable devices. I know that Apple is a marketing company rather than a technology company but I would have thought by now there would have been a backlash.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-28_23:26:06", "killed": false, "user_key": "f0b1c39df282941b521338a98130ec5a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658260": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Goebbels, you have some nerve calling me \"clueless\" when you choose to name yourself after a Nazi propagandist who murdered his own children.<br><br>And to both you and Podesta, I said 99.999% of Mac users will not choose a non-Apple product over an Apple alternative, not 100%, you clueless buffoons.  Oh, and my throwing out that 99.999% figure is known as \"hyperbole\", a rhetorical device that is exaggeration in order to make a point.  What distinguishes hyperbole from exaggerations that are meant to deceive, is that both the speaker and the listener recognize hyperbole for what it is rather than taking it literally.  Unfortunately neither of you two are intelligent enough to recognize hyperbole, so you  take hyperbolic statements literally and then attack them as lies or whatever.  Truly pathetic.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-29_00:17:20", "killed": false, "user_key": "5b7036ef287d7dd95fe0bef8262ce015", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658261": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"Updateability: better than iPod (if I were Apple I\u2019d worry about this).\"<br><br>Apple has had this for ages... Once a new iPod is released, software update will update your iPod software..<br><br>The problem, what he didn't say, is when they actually update the hardware, you cannot 'update' your old Zune to .. 'catch up'... it's a hardware update..<br><br>But new features etc, are always updated through Software Update... not new", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-31_00:52:32", "killed": false, "user_key": "ad6b3ed70e18b565dca6c4f179f098f2", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658262": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I have 2 IPOD nanos and a Zune in my home.  The Zune was much more intuitive to set up and the Zune marketplace is easier to use.  Also my Zune automatically downloads track info and album covers right out of the box.  The itunes didn't.  It has to be told to.  Also, the subscription service is awesome!  I used the Zune software on my 60 inch LCD and played music all night long on New Years Eve.  It was like having a jukebox with 2 million songs on it.  All my guests had to do is type in a song, artist or album title and wait a few seconds for a download and they had whatever song they wanted.  I am definitely sold on the Zune.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-01-10_17:52:32", "killed": false, "user_key": "a0007f46fdc2018c20132474c2ebd197", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658263": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "@simm, thats exactly my problem.<br>I like the Zune design definately better, but I'm afraid if<br>its not going to be a success, Microsoft wont make much efforts to improve it.<br>I will buy the Zune  if:<br>1. synchronizing works better  than with the Ipod<br>2. market place will offer somthing like podcasts<br>3. there is software to put music from napster and that kinda programs on it.<br><br>Can anybody answer these questions?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-01-25_17:32:15", "killed": false, "user_key": "0fa3ca357da19f927179a19ea266b38c", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658264": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"My thoughts about Zune vs. iPod\"<br><br>My thoughts: there is no 'versus'. iPod wins by default.<br><br>ps. I came to this page because I was looking for support info for a friend who has a borked Zune (songs upload but magically disappear), ha ha ha.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-01-20_10:31:08", "killed": false, "user_key": "15ceeef84bcec075e2dc57c844b8dbcf", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658265": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I got a Zune for Christmas. I initially wanted an iPod. iPod has the market cornered right now. I love my Zune, but that could be because I have never owned an iPod. I was expecting more features right out of the box but I'm also very content with what I have. I'm frustrated by a few things like; how do I get my Ratings from my Zune to my Library without duplicating the song in my Library and how come when I have my Zune in shuffle mode, turn it off then turn it back on and not be in the same place on the playlist?<br><br>I have yet to find anyone being Social, everytime I scan for other Zunes I don't find any.. I'm okay with that though.<br><br>The sound quality is okay. I did notice that I took a Zune and a PSP and compared the sound quality and the PSP sounded better, hands down.<br><br>I also noticed, and I'm not sure if the iPod does this, when hooked to an external speaker system it seems that if too much \"power\" is transmitted between the speakers and the headphone jack on the Zune, the Zune will freeze and have to be rebooted.<br><br>Synching was easy, was I understood it, I don't read manuals. Having the album info and art update automatically is a great feature.<br><br>I like the Zune, I wish I had more space, 30 gigs is just not enough, especially since I have over 10 thousand songs from my CD library alone that I burned to mp3.<br><br>But Okay.. I'm done.. lol", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-01-31_00:44:55", "killed": false, "user_key": "72bdacd651c60aac955e115835bfb41a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658266": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Robert, I found it interesting that you didn't comment on one of quality of the main purpose of the Zune: sound.<br><br>I own a Zune and the video ipod.  I have listened to the exact same song on both devices and the iPod sound quality is superior.  However the radio feaure on the Zune and its User interface is as good if not better than Apple's in many respects.<br><br>At the end of the day you need to get the sound quality right.  Everything else is secondary.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-01-30_16:48:28", "killed": false, "user_key": "19b11b4b106b4aba494bb7989173bdca", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658267": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Oh yeah and its wireless capabilities and ability to share files with your friends ZUNE is cool too!!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-12-26_18:03:50", "killed": false, "user_key": "3f6e4fa54cf70dd56bb544a4d4432820", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658268": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I totally think the ZUNE is better for sure!!  I got one for my 10yr old and she absolutley loves it.  It has a larger screen, has a FM radio, and the casing is not going to get all scratched up like the ipod it seems to be very durabe and scratch resistant.  The ZUNE software is very easy to use...you get a CD that comes with your ZUNE to install on your computer...you do not have to go on to the internet to download it.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-12-26_18:01:40", "killed": false, "user_key": "3f6e4fa54cf70dd56bb544a4d4432820", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658269": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I'm not big in the portable music player business. I've owned a simple 128MB RCA flash player for a couple years now and it\u2019s more than sufficient for when I go out for sports or recreation. However, once I heard about Zune's \"social\" capabilities, I decided to look into it.<br><br>First off, I\u2019m big in the whole WiFi scene. It's _the_ thing since sliced bread, it's the future. When I heard Zune had support for it, I thought \"wow, this could be really good\". Then I watched the video and found out its sole purpose is to send a file to a specific device, which must also accept the transmission. What a total waste! Imagine being able to broadcast live what you're listening to or broadcast your playlist for other Zune devices to \"channel in\" and listen. Or why not make it easy and just flag a playlist for sharing so other Zuner's can sample. To go through all the effort on the wireless front to just shun its potential really irks me. It's about as social as a cell phone with stickers on it.<br><br>I think they had the right idea, but they executed it wrong. Most of the issues could be corrected in software, but I somehow get the feeling that the direction they took also enforced limitations on their hardware, especially with the lack of a mic-in jack for recording (karaoke fans anyone?). Oh well, I guess I'm still stuck with my RCA =)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-12-10_00:40:01", "killed": false, "user_key": "6dca425137c00084e3a79f1a60481ef5", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658270": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "While the zune does have features about that dont shock me, i really do like it much more than the i pod. I believe that people who are used to i pods grow very attached to them and find anything else nowhere near as good. I myself have bought a zune and very much enjoy the devices thechnology.I believe that by next year not only will microsoft have come out with better technology for the zune, but also that it will complete surpass the technology of the ipod.I also do believe that everyone can expect to see new zune devices in the market very soon.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-12-16_13:08:37", "killed": false, "user_key": "66bd353921706850c3aa6962890c43ad", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658271": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Zune has a larger screen for videos..now dont tell me we dont need a larger video screen..thats why i have ordered a zune even though i have an ipod", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-12-04_13:09:30", "killed": false, "user_key": "cc31b4e73b85e6229dcdf5a68f98da8b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658272": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I am strugling wether to buy an ipod or a Zune. Please help. There are so many different comments here and i dont know which one to buy.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-01-24_12:42:24", "killed": false, "user_key": "694881b233d81b9c51b5a0eefbf6f5a5", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658273": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Zune totally beats Zune.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-01-09_19:58:05", "killed": false, "user_key": "7d06e1083483514cc386a99297236da8", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658274": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The whole reason the ipod appeals much higher than other mp3's is because that's what got the market moving and now the majority of people have them and its the must have mp3.  But i think were afraid to try something new, and why not the zune when it has nearly all the same features as the ipod and some added.  The zune also has a bigger video screen and you can change your background. The only cocern i have with zune is how will their musicstore fillout.<br>                                                 Oh yea, white headphones are not a conversation starter,showing your individuality in your backround and sending songs of meaning to your friends will spark tons of more conversations.  (plus a white zune comes with white headphones)................Duh,Duh,Duh", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-12-19_21:18:11", "killed": false, "user_key": "a5fb608e1413a537f62ae22b155f4abd", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658275": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Why Buy An Ipod Nano Thats 200$. If You Want A Mp3 Player That Just Plays Songs.. Buy A Cheap One. There Is No Need For Zune To Make Smaller Versions.<br><br>Okay Now That That's Out Of The Way..Ipod Sucks Is What I Have To Say. I Have Both THe Ipod 30g(black) And A Zune(black) The Zune Has All The Same Features As Ipod Plus More. WHY Buy An Ipod. No Reason. But Itunes Are A Lot Better Blah Blah Blah. Nobody Even Uses Itunes. Most People Get There Music And Vids From P2P Networks Like Limewire. Zunes Own All. Get Yalls Heads Out Of Apples Ass Little Apple Crybabies. Get Out Of The Apple Box That Your In And Actually Try The Zune!!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-01-06_21:04:10", "killed": false, "user_key": "584e5d6c7b3023677a0165776b881d13", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658276": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Hi! Very nice site! Thanks you very much! uxqQBQCKiLhC5S", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-01-15_18:43:08", "killed": false, "user_key": "4efb445342b638636003b4fe75570031", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658277": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Just a quick non technical comment.  We were purchasing for my 12 year old daughter.  I fought with myself over IPOD and ZUNE because I know all the kids want the IPOD.  Our daughter requested a 5th generation IPOD.  She wanted and MP3 player with a video player.  I got the device that I felt matched that description best.  It was an easy choice for us - we got the ZUNE - because of the larger screen and built in FM radio tuner.  It is Christmas day - we thought we would have a huge dissapointment in the house because we did not get the IPOD.  We were wrong.  We explained why we got the ZUNE instead of the IPOD to our suprise she was fine with it and she loves her ZUNE.  We are not into blogging etc.  I think Microsoft &amp; Toshiba made the superior product for what we needed.  I guess for blogging etc. there is no choice here, but we don't blog.  My daughter can get into all of that stuff later.  For now she can just enjoy here music, pictures and videos on a great piece of equipment which has potential written all over it.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-12-25_14:18:46", "killed": false, "user_key": "921f4640469b7298d6bd80d4754b4ab3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658278": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "first off, i have a zune, i like it. I think having one is kinda like \"going against the man\" Most of the time people come over and ask me about mine when im using it. The whole, not falling into the standard ipod fram of mind. Plus, people keep getting upset cause they can't find videos that they can put on their zune. i just have to say that they, are idiotic and computer illiterate. I have tons of videos on my zune that came from youtube and other places. you just have to know how to work the system. convert formats people. there are millions of easy and *FREE-Ware* to do it. so take some control over ur video issues and convert some vids.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-04-21_17:11:32", "killed": false, "user_key": "08c6246a74d359f7a244a58657eaa5c7", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658279": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "that's what the zune marketplace is for, retard. plus, the marketplace has a way better deal than itunes' gay $1 a song crap. marketplace lets you pay 15 bucks a month, and get unlimited song downloads without having to pay for them. and you still want to use itunes?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-03-16_22:23:14", "killed": false, "user_key": "6052c561eacaae69a378424e2dce1d8e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658280": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "ok so its better for a Zune then an iPod? I'm gettin one for X-mas im 13 and my mom wants to know which one is better so can i have some suggestions?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-04-05_18:28:15", "killed": false, "user_key": "dc991180f313070553682a185701dba6", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658281": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "i really wouldnt like any windblows crap,hardware or software, on any of my anything<br><br>now the stupid music sharing thing... WTF you get to play it three times in three days and then microsoft makes you buy it....<br><br>and you cant even use any itunes, napster or limewire music with it its pretty.... retarded", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-03-16_18:44:15", "killed": false, "user_key": "1bbfb6dab97a2a7e8b600ef49f8025a0", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658282": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Hey guys,<br><br>I've got more pictures confirming the existence of a Razer Protype playing with a MS Zune. Check out these pics of the Zune charging in a Protype. Maybe  Razer plans to make that ipod dock with more than just one MP3 player\u2026?<br><br><a href=\"http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u251/stepk85/DSC_1073.jpg\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u251/stepk85...</a><br><br><a href=\"http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u251/stepk85/DSC_1072.jpg\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u251/stepk85...</a><br><br><a href=\"http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u251/stepk85/DSC_1070.jpg\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u251/stepk85...</a><br><br><a href=\"http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u251/stepk85/DSC_1069.jpg\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u251/stepk85...</a><br><br>Stephen K", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-03-14_11:24:17", "killed": false, "user_key": "1ed279c3acd52b08d0889980fa824aed", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658283": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I would just like to say this is one of the most biased reviews I have seen in a while. And It shouldnt even be published. I've owned 3 types of iPods and I now own a zune and I would have to say that the zune has just prooved better in general for me.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-03-20_05:53:03", "killed": false, "user_key": "f39a3b6f48cedcf65e1cd0dbaa45b1a4", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658284": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I'll stick with the zune. I'm buying one soon because I'm searching for something \"Better\" than the ipod my sister has is. I think I'll sound pretty convincing to her because:<br><br> true, the zune has limited wi fi, but what does the ipod have?<br><br> The bigger screen is definitely a winner for me.<br><br> The screen is more scratch-resistant.<br><br> The unlimited song download deal", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-03-18_16:33:15", "killed": false, "user_key": "22b75879baf77eb1538f680625196c52", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658285": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I'll stick with the zune. I'm buying one soon because I'm searching for something \"Better\" than the ipod my sister has is. I think I'll sound pretty convincing to her because:<br><br> true, the zune has limited wi fi, but what does the ipod have?<br><br> The bigger screen is definitely a winner for me.<br><br> The screen is more scratch-resistant.<br><br> The unlimited song download deal<br><br> The better price<br><br> And finally, this is just the first generation. Does the ipod shuffle even compare to this?<br><br> -But, then again I'm only 14. What do you decide?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-03-18_16:39:43", "killed": false, "user_key": "22b75879baf77eb1538f680625196c52", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658286": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "see, in my school, everyone does have ipod, with minimal exceptions of a few creatives.<br>and if i came into school with a brown stylish zune, that NO ONE will have because im in the uk, that is what will be considered cool. being a sheep isnt cool. being different is.<br>your putting everything from an assuming ipod owning, or ex users point of view, well i dont have one, never have, so i dont care about itunes music, podcasts will work on a zune depending on the format and were you get it, just wont be in a podcast section. its PODcast, not ZUNEcast, microsoft wont be advertising it because it was made for iPODS!<br>if your going to point out some bad points about the zune, maybe try the battery life?<br>but the software for the zune, and the fact it DOESNT have that fuck annoying, in accurate scroll wheel are good things!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-02-23_22:28:14", "killed": false, "user_key": "b04510c9b67e70843ffbc1bf23ecc149", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658287": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "My zune is awesome! yeah, the zune does freeze, but the ipod does also. my sis has one, and i play around with it sometimes. Also, i found some DVD converters for zunes and ipods at <a href=\"http://cucusoft.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">cucusoft.com</a>. my dad has an ipod also, and he played with my zune, and commented that the zune is much simpler to use than his ipod.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-02-14_16:38:20", "killed": false, "user_key": "6052c561eacaae69a378424e2dce1d8e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658288": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "one last thing, the ipod is much slower with syncing music, pics, movies and stuff than zunes. trust me, i live with two ipod owners.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-02-14_16:44:03", "killed": false, "user_key": "6052c561eacaae69a378424e2dce1d8e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658289": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I think that the Zune sounds awesome, it has amazing usage, and the WiFi and radio really turn me on, but what I like most is the screen! I was just wondering, is it compatible with normal videos, like if I had some videos I got off of, say, LimeWire, and I wanted to put it on there, would the DRM or whatever its called stop me? Thanks.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-02-14_11:39:50", "killed": false, "user_key": "c04313f8ac056d4e9ef3c39b40bab258", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658290": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I dont know what its like in other areas, but the zune is a big hit where i live. I hate the argument of conversationallity, the white headphones are so old that no one even notices any more. there is no culture for ipod owners,  they've become the old man of the industry. these days, its all about the chrome plate headphones ;). And eveyone i know LOVES the look, its totally retro and totally awesome. plenty of memory (holds a ton more video than an ipod) and once you get used to the interface, its really sleek and easy to use... as for all the other problems people continue to list (no video sharing, no podcast support etc.), i've got 2 words for ya... Firmware Updates :P", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-02-10_17:07:59", "killed": false, "user_key": "4dedbeb961d428e3f4339e4e33884b43", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658291": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "ZUNE IS GNARLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br>YOU WILL NOT BE DISAPOINTED IN IT!!!<br>IPOD IS DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br><br><br><br>(I own an iPod as well, and well....it sucks compared to the new Zune.)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-02-05_14:15:49", "killed": false, "user_key": "a7bd1c62bc89435085474e093924f0d7", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658292": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "WHO EVER THINKS IPODS ARE BETTER THATN ZUNES YOUR IDIOTS. BECAUSE ZUNES ARE WAY BETTER. MOST PEOPLE JUST LIKE IPODS BECAUSE HOW YOU TURN UP THE VOLUME!!!!!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-05-25_22:49:35", "killed": false, "user_key": "2d2054d0b8e5c3fac7a08c0a286eb299", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658293": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I think that Zunes are the better product and they cost alot less than Ipods. Everyone says that Ipods are better because they have been out for a longer period of time.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-05-25_22:46:35", "killed": false, "user_key": "2d2054d0b8e5c3fac7a08c0a286eb299", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658294": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "i believe that in about 5 years the zune will definately be the superior mp3 player over ipod.  How many generations of the ipod has apple gone through?  6?  the zune is about to be in its second generation.  No wonder it seems so inferior.  Once microsoft improves the product line, makes better use of the wifi feature, and makes better design decisions everyone will want it.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-11-12_13:58:07", "killed": false, "user_key": "1bc5d1001b6b8fba041c22e01ed262fc", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658295": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "i havent looked into the zune yet, but i do like how the 30-gb zune is available for the same price as a 4-gb ipod nano. dont get me wrong--i love the ipod nano. but i think the large capacity at the lower price is very competitive.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-07-24_18:04:27", "killed": false, "user_key": "a89d6ab263754ba9f5afaa3352ee6932", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658296": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I bought a 2 yr service contract for my IPOD Mini. Apple refuses to honor it and has basically ripped me a new rear to the tune off $200+. I've ordered a Zune to replace it. Is it truly impossible to transfer 400+ downloads from ITUNES to the Zune once I get it???? Most of you are way more tech savy than me. I can't believe that you can steal music but can't transfer purchased music from one MP3 to another.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-07-09_14:06:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "ac85fd0a843daea1457ac54429dff4d1", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658297": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I have a zune and I love it. One of my friends also bought a zune and we used the wi-fi, no big deal. Then my same friend found a video ipod on the ground. he got everything he needed for it, tried to use it and got angry he came in to school and said that he hated i-tunes and that the zune software is so much simpler to use.<br>also, the updates make it very cool because when apple adds new features to the ipod, you have to go out and spend a couple hundred dollars on a new one while with zune, you can get updates to enhace the expiriance. perhaps games will be on the way (if not, that's NOT why I bought my zune, it was for music and video) but ms is working on the zune.<br>And also again, who cares about the color of your music device!? and if that's what you're looking for, zune has plenty of colors. even some unusual colors that show that you are't an ipoder. also more duable and while walking with it just in your pants pocket and if they're baggy, you know you have it unlike the ipod nano's.<br>Zune: not winner yet, but soon. once the word is spread around...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-09-06_18:56:35", "killed": false, "user_key": "81ddcd4dc6176fc2a5c477d56eafb964", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658298": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Unfortunately the Zune cannot download television shows and such without breaking your back to get it happening (this including installing loads of software the zune doesn't come with)! Zunes are basically a let down to me because hardly anyone has or has heard of them. This makes it difficult to trade songs.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-06-08_01:30:22", "killed": false, "user_key": "377ebd8821288368bd2bf9fd09d84d52", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658299": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I found a website reviewing most psp download products check it out!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-03-19_00:23:46", "killed": false, "user_key": "0b2a9f6e74d7a0109d64e1221da71895", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658300": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Wow, Zune all the way, Bill Gates is the one that perfected the computer, Its just the beginning, you cant expect  that Zune doesn't have anything up there sleeve. Trust Microsoft, without microsoft, apple wouldn't even be here.  And dont say microsoft copied apple. You seriously think Microsoft wouldn't of thought of it, or eventually thought of it? I guarentee in the next 3 years(when Zune is on there feet) It will be more popular than the Ipod. Also, do you evr see computer professionals EVER using macs? No they are always usin  windows powered computer, Not macintosh(tell u sumthing?). Well it should, in the end, Microsoft is MUCH better than Apple", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-06-30_00:07:02", "killed": false, "user_key": "3392033f94ba6b78c274614c553e8316", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658301": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "You should really check out the website link below. It reviewes all major psp download services", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-03-17_12:33:10", "killed": false, "user_key": "2f92eb2f2386f540b81a8f97e0e8edec", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658302": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "from the reviews i have read the zune and i-pod sound equal. i own an i-pod nano. i have it full and the screeen is broken. i am looking for a new music player. the only reasons i am going for the zune us the bigger screeen, radio, and less fragile. but i found a sweet deal for a video i-pod for 180 bucks. if you have a lot of music from itunes then get an ipod. i do not have a lot of music from itunes. i only have about 30 or so songs. most of my songs are from cds. i dont listen to podcasts and i am not a video freak. i am straight forward music junky. there is only one video that i would put on it and it is one that i made. i am just looking for the device that is less complicated. the touch wheel is annoying and the ipod is to fragile. i am a rough kid and the zune is more durable. i think a made my decision. the zune. i might get the ipod since i can get for fourty dollars cheeper but i dought it.  bottom line. if you download a lot of music and you dont rough around. get an ipod. if you have a large cd collection and you run around a lot get a zune.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-07-17_18:47:38", "killed": false, "user_key": "80829355fbc0f17fb78793b682c91e04", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658303": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "It is obvious that the zune IS NOT on the same level as the ipod, but i would guess in the near future the zune will surpass the ipod. I currently own a zune and i had an ipod before it. ONE THING MOST PEOPLE WHO HAVE OWNED IPODS FAIL TO TELL ANYBODY is that IPODS HAVE A RESTRICTED CHARGE AMOUNT ON THEM, SO THEY PRETTY MUCH KILL THEMSELVES IN ABOUT A YEAR, and that SUCKS.  The zune does not do that, which i like very much, i dont wanna funnel out $250 a year just to have good portable music. The zune software is also much better then itunes, it has subscription options to where YOU CAN BUY UNLIMITED SONGS for only 14.99 a month usd, so for the price of an average cd on itunes, you can get unlimited downloads for a month on zune software.<br><br>Overall while the ipod may be better now, the zune will surpass it soon once people realize what is going on.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-08-01_22:15:11", "killed": false, "user_key": "d0fc9a575c1b4c823f876b7d14e0e184", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658304": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Zune are the bom   especialy if you like halo  you should buy a halo version (sold at gamestop)   so you should get the Zune", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-06-18_08:28:39", "killed": false, "user_key": "1badc1fb6c14d2505419f6e7c613bde0", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658305": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "One thing that wasn't mentioned is the price!!! &gt;:(<br>Zune: 30 GB - $300<br><br>iPod: 8 GB - $300<br><br><br>!!!!!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-10-20_15:38:37", "killed": false, "user_key": "cb60cd9e657cca0091742b07555496ca", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658306": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "i have decided to buy and ipod!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-11-19_03:48:43", "killed": false, "user_key": "a345f5b2c59e6cc4a6f162d58893fbd2", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658307": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Hi Guys.<br>I have used both the Zune and the iPod (Classic and Shuffle)<br>Zune sucks. Its Zune software on the PC is a pain. Compare that to iTunes - really no effort required for doing even new stuff.<br><br>Actual Zune interface is also tacky. But that may be because iPods controls are revolutionary. But patented interface or otherwise, Zune did come out after iPod had been released for a substantial time. Microsoft had experienced the quality of the product that was in the market. Is this the best that they could do?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-04-01_02:32:28", "killed": false, "user_key": "7abe01ec1657901070c4cedfb81f74de", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658308": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Okay im a teenager, and i will say that having an Ipod isn't as much of a big deal anymore seeing as a lot of kids can't afford one. On that note though,I've had both a Zune and an Ipod, and out of bolth, i kept the Ipod. Why? Because of the little things, one the Ipod is smaller and holds less, this may not seem like a big issue, but it is since most people stick thier media player in their pocket. another one is i love itunes. You can basicaly find anything you want on there. Movies, your favorite tv shows, and music videos. Third would be it works on windows and mac, which is good because everybody i know has a different computer. There's more products from third parties out there for ipods. and finally Its and easy to use product without complications. Your ipod freezes up you push 2 buttons, and voila its fixed.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-02-18_21:19:27", "killed": false, "user_key": "e1cce6fafce3bf85e2fdd59136c73b9c", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658309": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "you can say wutever u want but the bottom line is that ipods suck. the shuffle is durable but has no screen. the nano's screen is much too small. the video ipods suck because of the battery life, they scratch really easily, and theyre 2 heavy 2 carry in ur pocket. also, itunes sucks. im just gonna buy a zune because it cant be any worse than an ipod", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-06-21_14:35:16", "killed": false, "user_key": "a960b5a95a5c83d20ee5bbe7639c0fc2", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658310": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "As for the podcast thing:<br>I currently have an ipod, and use Winamp to sync it<br>However, for podcasting, i still have to use itunes<br><br>Its the same for the zune, you CAN (figuratavly speaking) add podcasts to your zune, but it wont appear in a podcast area (You could make a podcast PL tho...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-08-06_07:54:59", "killed": false, "user_key": "23b350143f391f192128457a337f0d22", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658311": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "iPod Touch<br>r u kidding me look at it<br><br>Zune is trying to compete with the gen 5 ipod now this<br><br>zune is done<br><br>or for more space get the 160 gig iPod Classic", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-09-05_16:05:38", "killed": false, "user_key": "e6d86767a13165fde527c026b00a8b28", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658312": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "1.  The Zune 2 product line will have podcasts and smaller sizes for the people that like smaller mp3 players. and an 80gb one. Oh and for the people that like the circle movement that the iPod uses be HAPPY because Zune 2's have that too.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-10-14_21:02:45", "killed": false, "user_key": "2dfc771df029e8c2a1f58cb44680212e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658313": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "It very hard for me to read all about zune", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-11-13_15:03:50", "killed": false, "user_key": "b3af4e7a902a73b73f233bb7d604829c", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658314": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "We all know the Zune isn't as good as the iPod YET! The Zune has a lot of potential. When they make the next Zune it'll be a lot better, and will hopefully be able to combat the iPod, or at least pose a threat.<br><br>Besides, iPod is too popular. I'd rather do something against the crowd than with it. So I can't wait to (probably) get a Zune (still doing research).", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-07-27_16:12:32", "killed": false, "user_key": "739e9fe44061a98eb270510464ecd50f", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658315": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Okay, clearly there have been changes to the zune since you wrote this. I just want to point out a few things.<br>1: The zune's 3-inch screen is awesome.<br>2: The controls take only about 30 seconds to master.<br>3: It includes EVERYTHING you need. You have to buy iTunes separatly for iPod (i don't like Apple's way of doing this)<br>4: It now has smaller flash models and a higher capacity model with touch controls.<br>5: Ever since the original release, updates have allowed it to work with more formats.<br>6: There are a few more color options (i know it isn't that important but...)<br>Granted Apple was first at this market, and has been the greatest since then. But, in my opinion (and this may be affected by the fact that the only iPod i ever had anything to do with never worked), its time for the zune to take the throne. Of course the player you buy really depends on what you want. Apple fanboys will always love the iPod. But the time of the zune is coming, and it showed an extreme amount of improvement since its launch, and it'll get even better. I have nothing against the iPod, i just love the zune.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-10-26_20:37:29", "killed": false, "user_key": "2722a66ca82b7b6fc131a6abe1059da7", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658316": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "You guys are stupid, I use torrents and limewire, so why do I need itunes? I use windows/ PC so I'm going with the zune", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-10-09_20:39:13", "killed": false, "user_key": "2d7ba027f07d8a281d0c1e9eba490c0b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658317": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "i dont know what podcast is or DRMs is but the zune kicks the poo out of the ipod....why do people make them seem so difficult.with all these big words when there comparing them...its a f****** square wit music in it..thats all u need to know..... all i know is that the zune has a big colored screen and u can put pictures as ur backround and it has a radio so its better thats all that matters...peace", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-02-12_20:02:32", "killed": false, "user_key": "b61f68e92d06b07a24e13357a1fe7b7f", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658318": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I own an iPod touch... The Wi-Fi is fast but there is no Flash or Java yet... If the Zune uses Explorer browser then it will be able to run Flash and(?) Java... So far I'm content with my iPod... But I'm still waiting for the Flash... Steve Jobs announced that there wont be any Java on iPod touch... Maybe Flash...<br><br>- <a href=\"mailto:Sleepy.Almond@gmail.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">Sleepy.Almond@gmail.com</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-12-16_12:15:19", "killed": false, "user_key": "28008571d508938446f8591b65036847", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "9658320": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Good article.  I love to download music for my iPod; one of the best gadgets I have.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-11-10_18:27:37", "killed": false, "user_key": "5e6e6c0e472d003b1936c67a0b84d7b2", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}}, "integration": {"receiver_url": "", "theme": 4, "reply_position": true, "disqus_logo": false}, "timer": {"timer_url": "http://localhost:8005", "thread_id": "18353439", "user_id": "anonymous", "forum_id": "125200", "hash": -557954367742283671}, "thread": {"total_posts": 0, "paginate": false, "per_page": 0, "slug": "my_thoughts_about_zune_vs_ipod", "num_pages": 1, "days_alive": 0, "realtime_paused": true, "id": 18353439, "num_posts": 243, "closed": true, "queued": false, "killed": false}, "reactions_limit": 10, "context": {"show_reply": false, "use_fb_connect": true, "forum_facebook_key": "faaf467d0f47abde553c3b8e0e1b3570", "use_yahoo": false, "subscribed": false, "use_twitter_signin": true, "use_openid": false, "realtime_speed": 5000}, "reactions_start": 0, "settings": {"debug": false, "disqus_url": "http://disqus.com", "media_url": "http://media.disqus.com"}, "media_url": "http://media.disqus.com"};
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		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate('Logout from %(disqus)s', {disqus:disqus});
	};

	this.SHOWING_COMMENTS_FULL = function(total, num) {
		if (num === 1) {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> of <span id='dsq-total-posts'>%(total)s</span> comment", {num:num, total:total});
		} else {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> of <span id='dsq-total-posts'>%(total)s</span> comments", {num:num, total:total});
		}
	};

	this.SHOWING_COMMENTS_WITHOUT_PAGINATION = function(num) {
		if (num === 1) {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> comment", {num:num});
		} else {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> comments", {num:num});
		}
	};

	this.NUMBER_OF_COMMENTS = function(num) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
			(num == 1
				? '%(num)s comment'
				: '%(num)s comments'
			), {num:num});
	};

	this.NUMBER_OF_LIKES = function(num) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
			(num == 1
				? '%(num)s like'
				: '%(num)s likes'
			), {num:num});
	};

	this.NUMBER_OF_POINTS = function(num) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
			(num == 1
				? '%(num)s point'
				: '%(num)s points'
			), {num:num});
	};
};
// Dsq.FmtStrings





Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN = 'a2d140c59df8cd4ce27a20e0829cacd8';
Dsq.COMMENTS_RE = /(<li.*?id="?dsq-comment-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*?)(<\/li>)/gim;
Dsq.POST_RE = /(<div.*?id="?dsq-comment-header-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*?)(<\/div>)\s*(<div.*?class="?dsq-comment-body"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*)(<\/div>)/gim;
Dsq.POST_BODY_RE = /\s*(<div.*?id="?dsq-comment-message-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*)(<\/div>)/gim;
// HACK: Safari ends with "-->" while other browsers end with "--&gt;" as expected.
Dsq.MEDIA_POST_RE = /&lt;!--\[(.*?)\]--(?:>|&gt;)/gim;



var FragmentPacket = function(reader, writer, writer_url, is_child, receiveCallback) {
	var that = this;
	this.reader = reader;
	this.writer = writer;
	this.writer_url = writer_url;

	this.is_child = is_child || false;
	this.receiveCallback = receiveCallback;

	this._lastHash = null;

	this._accumMsg = '';

	this._lastSeqno = 0;

	this.MAX_DATA_LEN	= 1024;

	this.WAIT_TIME		= 10;

	this.READY		= 0x1;
	this.WRITING	= 0x2;
	this.FIN		= 0x4;
	this.ACK		= 0x8;

};

FragmentPacket.prototype.createListener = function() {
	var that = this;
	var listener = function() {
		that.recv();
	};
	return window.setInterval(listener, 10);
};

FragmentPacket.prototype.log = function(msg) {



};

FragmentPacket.prototype.recv = function() {
	var hash;
	if (/MSIE/.test(navigator.userAgent)) {

		hash = this.reader.name;
	} else {

		var hashIndex = this.reader.location.href.indexOf('#');
		if (hashIndex == -1) {
			return;
		}
		hash = this.reader.location.href.substring(hashIndex+1);
	}
	var flags = parseInt(hash.substring(0, 4), 10);
	var seqno = parseInt(hash.substring(4, 24), 10);
	var data  = hash.substring(24);

	if (this._lastHash !== hash) {
		this._lastHash = hash;
		this.log('recv: ' + hash);

		this.log(' flags: ' + flags);
		this.log(' seqno: ' + seqno + ' len: ' + hash.substring(4, 24).length + ' (' + hash.substring(4, 24) + ')');
		this.log(' data: ' + data + ' len: ' + data.length);

		this._lastSeqno = seqno;

		if (flags & this.WRITING) {
			this._accumMsg += data;
			this.sendFlag(this.ACK, seqno);
			if (flags & this.FIN) {
				this.log('recv finished: ' + decodeURIComponent(this._accumMsg));
				this.receiveCallback(decodeURIComponent(this._accumMsg));

				this._accumMsg = '';

				this.sendFlag(this.READY | this.ACK, this._lastSeqno);
			}
		}
	}

	return {
		flags: flags,
		seqno: seqno,
		data: data
	};
};

FragmentPacket.prototype.sendRawPacket = function(packet) {
	if (/MSIE/.test(navigator.userAgent)) {
		this.writer.name = packet;
	} else {

		this.writer.location.href = this.writer_url + '#' + packet;
	}

};

FragmentPacket.prototype.sendFlag = function(flag, seqno) {
	this.sendRawPacket(this._zerofill(flag, 4) + this._zerofill(seqno, 20));
};

FragmentPacket.prototype.send = function(msg) {
	this._send(0, encodeURIComponent(msg));
};

FragmentPacket.prototype._send = function(packetNum, msg) {
	var that = this;
	var recvBuf = this.recv();

	if (packetNum === 0) {

		if (!(recvBuf.flags & this.READY)) {
			this.log('client is not ready, waiting...');
			window.setTimeout(function() { that._send(packetNum, msg); }, this.WAIT_TIME);
			return;
		}
	} else {

		if (!( (recvBuf.flags & this.ACK) && (recvBuf.seqno === this._lastSeqno) )) {
			this.log('waiting for ack from client...');
			window.setTimeout(function() { that._send(packetNum, msg); }, this.WAIT_TIME);
			return;
		} else {
			this.log('received ack: ' + this._lastSeqno + ' ' + recvBuf.seqno);
		}
	}

	var flags = this.WRITING;
	var num_packets = Math.ceil(msg.length / this.MAX_DATA_LEN);
	this.log('num_packets: ' + num_packets);

	if (num_packets === packetNum) {

		this.log('message successfully sent!');
		this.sendFlag(this.READY | this.ACK, this._lastSeqno);
		return true;
	}

	this._lastSeqno++;

	if (packetNum == num_packets-1) {
		flags |= this.FIN;
	}

	var data = msg.substring(packetNum * this.MAX_DATA_LEN, (packetNum+1) * this.MAX_DATA_LEN);
	var packet = this._zerofill(flags, 4) + this._zerofill(this._lastSeqno, 20) + data;

	this.log('sending raw packet: ' + packet);
	this.sendRawPacket(packet);

	return this._send(packetNum + 1, msg);
};

FragmentPacket.prototype._zerofill = function(num, width) {
	var retval = num.toString();
	var retval_len = retval.length;
	for (var i = 0; i < width - retval_len; i++) {
		retval = '0' + retval;
	}
	return retval;
};

var PostMessagePacket = function(receiver, receiveCallback, id, receiverId) {
	var that = this;
	this.receiver = receiver;
	this.receiveCallback = receiveCallback;
	this.id = id;


	this.receiverId = receiverId;
};

PostMessagePacket.prototype.createListener = function() {
	var that = this;

	var listener = function(e) {

		if (!that.id) {
			that.id = e.data;
			return;
		}


		var id = e.data.split(';')[0];
		if (id !== that.id) {
			return;
		}
		var data = e.data.substring(e.data.indexOf(';') + 1);

		that.receiveCallback(data);
	};

	if (typeof window.attachEvent == 'function') {
		window.attachEvent('onmessage', listener);
	} else if (typeof window.addEventListener == 'function') {
		window.addEventListener('message', listener, false);
	} else {
		throw new Error('No method found to create event listener for PostMessagePacket.');
	}
};

PostMessagePacket.prototype.send = function(msg) {



	var needs_reget = false;
	try {
		if (typeof this.receiver.id == 'undefined' || typeof this.receiver.postMessage == 'undefined') {
			needs_reget = true;
		}
	} catch(e) {


	}
	if (needs_reget && typeof this.receiverId != 'undefined') {
		this.receiver = document.getElementById(this.receiverId).contentWindow;
	}

	var packet;
	if (!msg) {

		packet = this.id;
	} else {
		packet = this.id + ';' + msg;
	}
	this.receiver.postMessage(packet, '*');
};

PostMessagePacket._last_unique_id = null;
PostMessagePacket._get_unique_id = function() {
	var id = (new Date()).getTime();
	if (id == PostMessagePacket._last_unique_id) {
		id++;
	}
	PostMessagePacket._last_unique_id = id;
	return id.toString();
};

var JsonRpc = function() {

	this.ids = {};

	this.objectToJSON = function(obj) {
		var json = '';
		var results = [];

		if (obj === undefined || obj === null) {
			return 'null';
		}

		switch (obj.constructor) {
			case Object:
				for (var property in obj) {
					if (obj.hasOwnProperty(property)) {
						results.push(this.objectToJSON(property) + ': ' + this.objectToJSON(obj[property]));
					}
				}
				json = '{' + results.join(', ') + '}';
				break;
			case Array:
				for (var i = 0; i < obj.length; i++) {
					results.push(this.objectToJSON(obj[i]));
				}
				json = '[' + results.join(', ') + ']';
				break;
			case Number:
			case Boolean:
				json = obj.toString();
				break;
			case String:

				var specialChars = {'\b': '\\b', '\t': '\\t', '\n': '\\n', '\f': '\\f', '\r': '\\r', '\\': '\\\\'};

				json = obj.replace(/[\x00-\x1f\\]/g, function(match) {
					var ch = specialChars[match];
					return ch ? ch : '\\u00' + match.charCodeAt().toPaddedString(2, 16);
				});

				json = '"' + json.replace(/"/g, '\\"') + '"';
				break;
			default:

				json = 'null';
				break;
		}

		return json;
	};

	this.createHandler = function(send_func, registered_funcs) {
		var that = this;
		var handler = function(message) {

			try {
				var rpc = eval('(' + message + ')');
			} catch(e) {
				alert('bad JSON: ' + message);
				return;
			}
			if (rpc.method) {

				if (!registered_funcs[rpc.method]) {
					return;
				}

				var retval = registered_funcs[rpc.method].apply(null, rpc.params);
				if (rpc.id) {
					var response = {
						result: retval,
						error: null,	// TODO
						id: rpc.id
					};
					send_func(that.objectToJSON(response));
				}
			} else if(rpc.result) {

				if (!that.ids[rpc.id]) {
					return;
				}

				that.ids[rpc.id](rpc.result);
				delete that.ids[rpc.id];
			}
		};
		return handler;
	};

	this.execute = function(send_func, method, params, response_callback) {
		response_callback = response_callback || null;
		var id = (response_callback) ? (new Date()).getTime() : null;

		var request = {
			method: method,
			params: params,
			id: id
		};

		send_func(this.objectToJSON(request));

		if (id) {
			this.ids[id] = response_callback;
		}
	};
};
JsonRpc = new JsonRpc();

var ParentMessenger = function(childUrl, receiverUrl, container, receiveCallback) {


	if (navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Safari') >= 0 && parseInt(navigator.userAgent.substring(navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Version/') + 8), 10) == 3) {
		throw new Error("unsupported.");
	} else if (window.opera) {
		throw new Error("unsupported.");
	}



	if (!receiverUrl &&
		navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Gecko') >= 0 &&
		parseFloat(navigator.userAgent.slice(navigator.userAgent.indexOf('rv:') + 3, navigator.userAgent.indexOf('rv:') + 6)) < 1.9) {
		throw new Error("unsupported.");
	}


	if (/msie/i.test(navigator.userAgent) && !/opera/i.test(navigator.userAgent)) {


		if (document.domain == window.location.hostname) {
			receiverUrl = '';
		}
	}

	var that = this;
	this.childUrl = childUrl;
	this.receiverUrl = receiverUrl;
	this.container = container || document.body;

	this.packetHandler = null;


	this._ready = false;
	this._error = false;


	var _createReceiverForFragmentPacket = function() {

		that.receiver = document.createElement('iframe');
		that.receiver.src = receiverUrl;
		that.receiver.id = 'receiver_' + (new Date()).getTime();
		that.receiver.name = that.receiver.id;

		that.receiver.frameBorder = '0';
		that.receiver.frameSpacing = '0';
		that.receiver.style.borderStyle = 'none';

		var receiver_onload = function() {
			var receiver = document.getElementById(that.receiver.id).contentWindow;

			try {
				receiver.document.body.innerHTML = '';
			} catch(e) {

				that._error = true;
			}
			receiver.document.body.style.padding = '0px';
			receiver.document.body.style.margin = '0px';

			var child = receiver.document.createElement('iframe');
			child.id = 'child';
			child.name = 'child';
			child.src = that.childUrl;

			child.frameBorder = '0';
			child.frameSpacing = '0';
			child.style.borderStyle = 'none';
			child.style.width = '100%';
			child.style.height = '100%';
			receiver.document.body.appendChild(child);

			that.child = receiver.document.getElementById('child').contentWindow;
			that.receiver = receiver;

			that.packetHandler = new FragmentPacket(that.receiver, that.child, that.childUrl, false, receiveCallback);

			that._listener = that.packetHandler.createListener();

			that.packetHandler.sendFlag(that.packetHandler.READY, 0);

			that._ready = true;
		};

		that.receiver.onreadystatechange = function() {
			if (this.readyState == 'complete') {
				receiver_onload();
			}
		};

		that.receiver.onload = receiver_onload;







		if (Dsq.Utils.ie) {
			if (that.container.clientWidth === 0) {

				var _waitForWidth = function() {
					if (that.container.clientWidth > 0) {
						Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(that.container.id);
					} else {
						window.setTimeout(_waitForWidth, 100);
					}
				};
				_waitForWidth();

				that._once = false;
				that.receiver.onresize = function() {
					if (!that._once) {
						Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(that.container.id);
					}
					that._once = true;
				};
			}
		}

		that.container.appendChild(that.receiver);
	};


	var _createReceiverForPostMessage = function() {

		var receiver_onload = function() {

			that.packetHandler.send();
			that._ready = true;
		};

		var id = PostMessagePacket._get_unique_id();
		var receiverId = 'child_' + id;


		ParentMessenger['_receiver_onload_' + receiverId] = receiver_onload;

		that.container.innerHTML += '<iframe ' +
			'src="' + childUrl + '" ' +
			'id="' + receiverId + '" ' +
			'name="' + receiverId + '" ' +
			'onload="ParentMessenger._receiver_onload_' + receiverId +'();" ' +
			'></iframe>';

		that.receiver = document.getElementById(receiverId).contentWindow;
		that.packetHandler = new PostMessagePacket(that.receiver, receiveCallback, id, receiverId);
		that._listener = that.packetHandler.createListener();
	};

	if (typeof window.postMessage == 'function') {
		_createReceiverForPostMessage();
	} else {
		_createReceiverForFragmentPacket();
	}

};

ParentMessenger.prototype.sendMessage = function(message) {
	var that = this;
	if (!this._ready) {

		window.setTimeout(function() { that.sendMessage(message); }, 10);
		return;
	}
	this.packetHandler.send(message);
	return true;
};

Dsq.NewFrames = function(url) {
	this.url = url;
};

Dsq.NewFrames.prototype.init = function(onFailure) {
	var that = this;

	try {
		this.messenger = new ParentMessenger(this.url, Dsq.jsonData.integration.receiver_url, this.container, this.receive_callback);
	} catch(e) {
		if (typeof onFailure == 'function') {
			onFailure();
		}
	}

	if (typeof onFailure == 'function') {
		var iId = window.setInterval(function() {
			if (typeof that.messenger == 'undefined') {
				window.clearInterval(iId);
				return;
			}
			if (that.messenger._ready) {
				window.clearInterval(iId);
			} else if (that.messenger._error) {
				window.clearInterval(iId);
				onFailure();
			}
		}, 10);
	}
};

Dsq.NewFrames.prototype._execute = function(method, args, callback) {
	var that = this;
	if (typeof that.messenger == 'undefined') {
		return false;
	}
	JsonRpc.execute(
		function(msg) { that.messenger.sendMessage(msg); },
		method,
		args || [],
		callback);
	return true;
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame = function(container, parent_post_id) {
	var that = this;
	this.container = container;
	this.parent_post_id = parent_post_id;

	var sendFunc = function(msg) {

		Dsq.Debug.log('Dsq.ReplyFrame.sendFunc');
		that.messenger.sendMessage(msg);
	};


	var postComment_onSuccess = function(response) {
		Dsq.jsonData.posts[response.message.id] = response.message.post_meta;
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.users[response.message.post_meta.user_key]) {
			Dsq.jsonData.users[response.message.post_meta.user_key] = response.message.user_meta;
		}


		var reply_position = (typeof(disqus_insert_wrt_sort) == 'undefined' 
			? (Dsq.jsonData.forum.reply_position ? -1 : null) 
			: (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 2 ? null : -1));
		
		if (response.message.post_meta.approved) {
			Dsq.Post.insert(response.message.post_meta.parent_post_id || reply_position, response.message.id, response.message.post_meta.message);
		}

		Dsq.Templates.postComment_onSuccess(response, parent_post_id, response.message.id);
	};

	var postComment_onFailure = function(response) {
		Dsq.Popup.popModal(response.message, 'Error');
		Dsq.Templates.postComment_onFailure(response, parent_post_id, response.message.id);
	};

	var editComment_onSuccess = function(response) {
		var post_id = parent_post_id;
		var message = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + post_id);
		
		message.innerHTML = response.message;
		Dsq.Templates.toggleEdit(post_id);
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};
	
	var editComment_onFailure = function(response) {
		var post_id = parent_post_id;
		
		Dsq.Popup.popModal('Sorry, there was an error editing this comment.', 'Edit Error');
		Dsq.Templates.toggleEdit(post_id);
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};

	var getUserByEmail_onSuccess = function(response) {
		var msg = response.message;
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(parent_post_id);

		if (msg.username) {

			Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(parent_post_id, 'login', {
				'username': msg.username,
				'display_name': msg.display_name,
				'avatar_url': msg.avatar_url,
				'verified': msg.verified,
				'email': fields.email.value
			});
		} else {

			Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(parent_post_id, 'register');
		}
	};

	var validateAuth_onSuccess = function(response, auth_choice) {
		Dsq.Templates.postComment(parent_post_id, null, true, auth_choice);
	};

	var validateAuth_onFailure = function(response, auth_choice) {
		var pid = parent_post_id ? '-' + parent_post_id : '';
		var msg = response.message;

		if (auth_choice == 'register') {
			var fields = ['email', 'username', 'password'];

			for (var i = 0; i < fields.length; i++) {
				var field = fields[i];
				var errorDiv = Dsq.$('dsq-' + field + '-errors' + pid);

				if (msg[field]) {
					errorDiv.innerHTML = msg[field];
				} else {
					errorDiv.innerHTML = '';
				}
			}
		} else if (auth_choice == 'login') {
			Dsq.$('dsq-lightbox-errors' + pid).innerHTML = '<p>We couldn\'t log you in. Please verify your login.</p>';
		}
		
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};

	this.receive_callback = JsonRpc.createHandler(sendFunc, {
		'postComment.onSuccess': postComment_onSuccess,
		'postComment.onFailure': postComment_onFailure,
		'editComment.onSuccess': editComment_onSuccess,
		'editComment.onFailure': editComment_onFailure,		
		'getUserByEmail.onSuccess': getUserByEmail_onSuccess,
		'validateAuth.onSuccess': validateAuth_onSuccess,
		'validateAuth.onFailure': validateAuth_onFailure,
		'reload': function() { window.location.reload(); }
	});

	this.url = Dsq.Urls.REPLY +
		'?' + (new Date()).getTime() +
		'&f=scobleizer' +
		'&t=my_thoughts_about_zune_vs_ipod' +
		'&ff=' + Dsq.Thread.ff +
		'&default_text=' + encodeURIComponent(disqus_default_text) +
		'&ifrs=' + encodeURIComponent(disqus_iframe_css);
	if (this.parent_post_id) {
		this.url += '&parent_post=' + this.parent_post_id;
	}
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype = new Dsq.NewFrames(Dsq.ReplyFrame.url);

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.post = function(author_name, author_email, author_url, authenticate, sharing_services, subscribe) {
	this._execute('postComment', [author_name, author_email, author_url, authenticate, sharing_services, subscribe]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.edit = function(post_id, message) {
	this._execute('editComment', [post_id, message]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.setState = function(parent_post_id, depth) {
	this._execute('setState', [parent_post_id, depth]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.getUserByEmail = function(email) {
	this._execute('getUserByEmail', [email]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.validateAuth = function(auth_choice, email, username, password) {
	this._execute('validateAuth', [auth_choice, email, username, password]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.authenticateFacebook = function(session, forum_url) {
	this._execute('authenticateFacebook', [session, forum_url]);
};

	Dsq.Facebook = function() {
	var that = this;

	var handleSessionData = function(session) {

		var forum_url = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;




		if (typeof disqus_facebook_forum != 'undefined') {
			forum_url = disqus_facebook_forum;
		}
		Dsq.frames.reply_0.authenticateFacebook(session, forum_url);
	};

	var onLogin = function() {
		FB.Connect.getSignedPublicSessionData(handleSessionData);
	};

	this.login = function() {
		FB.Connect.requireSession(onLogin, true);
	};
};
Dsq.Facebook = new Dsq.Facebook();


	






Dsq.Themes = {};

Dsq.Themes.narcissus = new function() {
	this.addPostContainer = 'dsq-form-area';
	this.textareaContainer = 'dsq-textarea-wrapper';



	
	this.header = function() {
		var comments_count, total_posts, num_posts;
		var html = '';
		var missing_perm_tmpl;

		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.missing_perm) {
			missing_perm_tmpl = Dsq.Templates.missingPermissions();
			if (missing_perm_tmpl) {
				html += '<div class="dsq-missing-permissions">' + missing_perm_tmpl + '</div>';
			}
		}

		total_posts = Dsq.jsonData.thread.total_posts;
		num_posts = Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_posts;

		if (total_posts) {
			comments_count = Dsq.FmtStrings.SHOWING_COMMENTS_FULL(total_posts, num_posts);
		} else {
			comments_count = Dsq.FmtStrings.SHOWING_COMMENTS_WITHOUT_PAGINATION(num_posts);
		}

		html += ' \
		<div id="dsq-comments-title"> \
			<h3>' + comments_count + '</h3> \
		</div> \
		';

		html += ' \
		<div class="dsq-options"> \
			<span class="dsq-item-sort">'
				+ Dsq.Strings.SORT_BY + ' \
				<select id="dsq-sort-select" onchange="Dsq.Thread.sortBy(this.value);"> \
					<option value="hot" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 4 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.POPULAR_NOW + '</option> \
					<option value="best" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 3 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.BEST_RATING + '</option> \
					<option value="newest" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 2 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.NEWEST_FIRST + '</option> \
					<option value="oldest" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 1 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.OLDEST_FIRST + '</option> \
				</select> \
				&nbsp; \
			</span> \
			<span class="dsq-subscribe-email"> \
				<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/email.png" style="width:12px;height:12px;vertical-align:middle"> \
				<span id="dsq-subscribe">'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.subscribed
						? '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(0); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.UNSUBSCRIBE + '</a>'
						: '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_BY_EMAIL + '</a>')
				+ '</span> \
			</span> \
			<span class="dsq-subscribe-rss" style="width:12px;height:12px;vertical-align:middle"> \
				<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/bullet-feed.png" alt="" /> \
				<a href="http://scobleizer.disqus.com/my_thoughts_about_zune_vs_ipod/latest.rss">' + Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_BY_RSS + '</a> \
			</span> \
		</div> \
		';

		
		

		return html;

	};
	
	this.footer = function() {
		var html = '';

		html += Dsq.Templates.pagination();

		
		
			html += Dsq.Templates.realtime();
			html += Dsq.Templates.showThreadSettings();
			html += Dsq.Templates.postBox();

		html += Dsq.Templates.reactions();

		
			html += Dsq.Templates.trackbacks();
		


		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator) {
 			html += ' \
				<div class="dsq-global-moderator-extras">'
					+ '<strong>shortname:</strong> ' + Dsq.jsonData.forum.url
					+ '<strong>thread id:</strong> ' + Dsq.jsonData.thread.id
					+ '<strong>thread slug:</strong> ' + Dsq.jsonData.thread.slug
				+ '</div> \
			';
		}

		return html;
	};
	
	this.realtime = function() {
		var html = '';
		
		if (Dsq.jsonData.realtime_enabled) {
			html += '<div id="dsq-realtime-options" class="dsq-options">'
					 + Dsq.Strings.REALTIME_UPDATING_IS + ' <strong id="dsq-realtime-status" style="text-transform: lowercase">' + Dsq.Strings.ENABLED + '</strong>. \
					 <a href="#" id="dsq-realtime-toggle" style="text-transform: capitalize"></a> \
					</div>';
		}

		if (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
			html += ' \
				<div style="display: none" id="dsq-realtime-alert" class="dsq-realtime-alert"><span id="dsq-realtime-queued"></span> <a href="#" id="dsq-realtime-show"></a></div> \
			';
		}
		
		return html;
	};

	this.showThreadSettings = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) {
			return '';
		}

		html = '<div id="dsq-thread-settings" class="dsq-thread-settings">' + Dsq.Strings.MODERATOR_OPTIONS;
		html += '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.showSettings(); return false;">' + Dsq.Strings.SETTINGS + '</a>';
		html += '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.showModeratorActions(); return false;">' + Dsq.Strings.MODERATE + '</a>';
		if (Dsq.jsonData.forum.reactions_enabled && Dsq.jsonData.reactions.length === 0) {
			html += '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Reaction.reportMissingReactions(); return false;">'
						+ Dsq.Strings.REPORT_MISSING_REACTIONS
						+ '</a>';
		}
		html +='</div>';

		return html;
	};

	this.postBox = function(post_id, use_fallback_iframe) {


		var html;
		var display_sharing_options = Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated;

		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated && Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled && !Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post) {
			return '';
		}
		
		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote) {


			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.hasOwnProperty(Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain)) {
				display_sharing_options = false;
			}
		}
		
		if (post_id) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];				
		}
		
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';

		var _requestUserInfo = function() {
			var html;



			var user_has_email = false;

			html = '<div class="dsq-request-user-info"> <!-- // If authenticated --> \
				<a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT + '?ctkn=' + Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN + '" class="dsq-request-user-logout">' + Dsq.Strings.LOGOUT + '</a> \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td rowspan="2">'
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '<a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE + '">' : '')
								+ '<img src="' + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_AVATAR + '" width="48" height="48" class="dsq-request-user-avatar">'
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '</a>' : '')
						+ '</td> \
						<td class="dsq-request-user-name">'
								+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
									 ? '<span class="dsq-badge-small dsq-badge-' + Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain + '">' + Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain + '</span>'
									 : (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_verified
											? '<span class="dsq-badge-small dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span>'
											: '<span class="dsq-badge-small dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span>'))
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? ' <a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE + '">' : '') 
								+ Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username 
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '</a>' : '')
							+  (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote && user_has_email ? ' <small>(<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.remoteAccountSettings(); return false;">change settings</a>)</small>' : '')
							+  (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote && !Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? ' <small>(<a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/info/" target="_blank">change name</a> or <a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/avatar/" target="_blank">picture</a>)</small>' : '')
						+ '</td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-request-user-stats"> \
							<span><big>' + Dsq.jsonData.request.comments_count + '</big> ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.comments_count == 1 ? 'comment' : 'comments') + '</span> \
							<span><big>' + Dsq.jsonData.request.likes_count + '</big> ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.likes_count == 1 ? 'like' : 'likes') + '</span> \
							<span><big>' + Dsq.jsonData.request.points + '</big> ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.points == 1 ? 'point' : 'points') + '</span> \
						</td> \
					</tr> \
				</table> \
			</div> \
			';
			return html;
		};

		var _loginOptions = function() {
			var html;
			html = ' \
			<div class="dsq-authenticate"> \
				<p class="dsq-autheneticate-copy">'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
					? Dsq.Strings.YOU_ARE_COMMENTING_AS_A + ' <a class="dsq-help" title="Click for more information" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Guest</a>. ' + Dsq.Strings.OPTIONAL + ': ' + Dsq.Strings.LOGIN_BELOW + '.'
					: Dsq.Strings.REQUIRED + ': ' + Dsq.Strings.PLEASE_LOGIN_BELOW_TO_COMMENT + '.')
				+ '</p> \
				<ul class="dsq-login-buttons">'
					+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-disqus.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Facebook.login(); return false;"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-facebook.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Twitter.startTwitterConnect(); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-twitter.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.OpenID.requestURL(); return false" ><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-openid.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_yahoo ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Yahoo.startYahooConnect(); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-yahoo.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
				+ '</ul> \
			</div> \
			';
			return html;
		};

		if (!Dsq.jsonData.context.show_reply) {


			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {



				return '<div id="dsq-form-area" style="display:none"><div id="dsq-textarea-wrapper"></div></div>' + _loginOptions();
			} else {
				return '';
			}
		}

		html = ' \
		<div id="' + (post_id 
			? 'dsq-reply-post-' + post_id
			: 'dsq-new-post')
		 	+ '" class="dsq-post-area"> \
			<div class="dsq-dc-logo"> \
				<a href="http://disqus.com/comments" target="_blank"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/disqus-logo.png"></a> \
			</div>'
			+ (post_id 
				? '<h3>' + Dsq.Strings.REPLYING_TO + ' ' + userData.display_name + '</h3>'
				: '<h3>' + Dsq.Strings.ADD_NEW_COMMENT + '</h3>')
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated 
				? _requestUserInfo()
				: _loginOptions() )
			+ '<div id="dsq-form-area' + pid + '">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-textarea"> \
				<div class="dsq-textarea-wrapper" id="dsq-textarea-wrapper' + pid + '"></div> \
			</div>'
			+ (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated
			? ' \
			<div class="dsq-post-fields"> \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-left"><div class="dsq-input-wrapper"><input id="dsq-field-name' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (disqus_def_name ? disqus_def_name : (Dsq.jsonData.session.name ? Dsq.jsonData.session.name : Dsq.Strings.NAME + '" class="dsq-placeholder')) + '" onfocus="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'name\')" onblur="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'name\')" /></div></td> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-right"><div class="dsq-input-wrapper"><input id="dsq-field-website' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (Dsq.jsonData.session.url ? Dsq.jsonData.session.url : Dsq.Strings.WEBSITE + ' (' + Dsq.Strings.OPTIONAL.toLowerCase() + ')" class="dsq-placeholder') + '" onfocus="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'website\')" onblur="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'website\')" /></div></td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-left"><div class="dsq-input-wrapper"><input id="dsq-field-email' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (disqus_def_email ? disqus_def_email : (Dsq.jsonData.session.email ? Dsq.jsonData.session.email : Dsq.Strings.EMAIL + '" class="dsq-placeholder')) + '" onfocus="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'email\')" onblur="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'email\')" /></div></td> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-right"> \
							<div class="dsq-subscribe"> \
								<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.chooseSubscribe(' + post_id + '); return false" class="dsq-subscribe-menu"><span id="dsq-subscribe-select' + pid + '">' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.subscribe_on_post ? Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_TO_ALL_COMMENTS_BY_EMAIL : Dsq.Strings.DO_NOT_SUBSCRIBE_TO_COMMENTS) + '</span> <small>&#9660;</small></a> \
								<ul class="dsq-panel" id="dsq-subscribe-menu' + pid + '"> \
									<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.setSubscribe(2, this, ' + post_id + '); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_TO_ALL_COMMENTS_BY_EMAIL + '</a></li> \
									<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.setSubscribe(0, this, ' + post_id + '); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.DO_NOT_SUBSCRIBE_TO_COMMENTS + '</a></li> \
								</ul> \
								<input id="dsq-subscribe-on-post' + pid + '" type="hidden" value="' + Dsq.jsonData.request.subscribe_on_post + '" /> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
					</tr> \
				</table> \
			</div>'
			: '')
			+ '<div class="dsq-post-footer"> \
				<div class="dsq-sharing-options" ' + (!display_sharing_options ? 'style="display:none;"' : '') + '> \
					<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onfocus="document.getElementById(\'dsq-post-button' + pid + '\').focus();"><span>' + Dsq.Strings.SHARING_OPTIONS + ' <small>&#9660;</small></span></button> \
					<div class="dsq-panel"> '
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.twitter !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.twitter.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-twitter' + pid + '"'
								  + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.twitter.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-twitter' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Twitter</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.facebook
								&& (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.facebook.enabled === true ||
										(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote && Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == 'facebook'))
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-facebook' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.facebook.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-facebook' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Facebook</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.yahoo !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.yahoo.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-yahoo' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.yahoo.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-yahoo' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Yahoo!</label> \
								</div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.tumblr !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.tumblr.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-tumblr' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.tumblr.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-tumblr' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Tumblr</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.wordpress !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.wordpress.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-wordpress' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.wordpress.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-wordpress' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Wordpress</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.movabletype !== undefined
							  && Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.movabletype.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-movabletype' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.movabletype.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-movabletype' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Movable Type</label> \
							   </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.typepad !== undefined
							  && Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.typepad.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-typepad' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.typepad.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
								  <label for="dsq-sharing-typepad' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' TypePad</label> \
							   </div>'
							: '')
						+ '<div><a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/connections/" target="_blank" class="dsq-configure-options">' + Dsq.Strings.CONFIGURE_OPTIONS + '</a></div>'
					+ '</div> \
				</div>'
				+ '<button type="button" class="dsq-button" id="dsq-post-button' + pid + '" onclick="Dsq.Templates.postComment(' + post_id + ', this, false)"><span>' + Dsq.Strings.POST_AS + ' '
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username
					? Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username
					: Dsq.Strings.GUEST)
				+ '</span></button>'
				+ (post_id
					? '<button type="button" class="dsq-button" id="dsq-cancel-button' + pid + '" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleReply(' + post_id +', this)"><span>' + Dsq.Strings.CANCEL + '</span></button>'
					: '')
			+ '</div>'
			+ '</div>' // end dsq-form-area
		+ '</div> \
		';
		
		return html;
	};




	this.appendPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="dsq-append-post-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.postPrependHeader = function(post_id) {
		var html;
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		
		html = ' \
		<table> \
			<tr> \
				<td id="dsq-header-avatar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-header-avatar" onmouseover="Dsq.Post.dropProfile(' + post_id + ')"> \
					<a id="dsq-avatar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-avatar" href="' + userData.url + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.show_avatar
					? '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key].avatar + '" alt="" />'
					: '')
				+ '</a> \
				</td> \
				<td class="dsq-comment-header-meta"> \
		';

		
		return html;
	};
	
	this.postAppendHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var html;
		var parent_display_name = '';
		
		if(_meta.parent_post_id) {

			var _parent_meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[_meta.parent_post_id];

			if (_parent_meta) {
				var parentUserData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_parent_meta.user_key];
				parent_display_name = parentUserData.display_name;
			}
		}

		html = ' \
		<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/moderator.png" class="dsq-moderator-star" title="Moderator" /> \
		<span class="dsq-comment-header-time"><a href="#comment-' + post_id + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.permalink(' + post_id + ')" title="Permalink">' + (_meta.is_realtime ? Dsq.Strings.JUST_NOW : _meta.date) + '</a></span> '
		+ (_meta.parent_post_id && parent_display_name
			? '<a href="#comment-' + _meta.parent_post_id + '" title="Jump to comment">in reply to ' + parent_display_name + '</a>'
			: '')
		+ '</td> \
		<td id="dsq-like-pts-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-comment-header-likes">'
		+ (_meta.points
			? _meta.points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(_meta.points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this.'
			: '')
		+ '</td> \
		</tr> \
		</table> \
		';
		return html;
	};

	this.preBody = function(post_id) {
		var html = '';
		return html;
	};

	this.postFooter = function(post_id) {
		var html;
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		if(_meta.killed || !_meta.approved) { return ''; }
		
		html = ' \
		<div class="dsq-comment-footer" id="dsq-comment-footer-' + post_id + '"> \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer-left">'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator
					? '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.moderateOptions(' + post_id+ '); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.MODERATE + '</a>'
					: '')
				+ '<a href="#" id="dsq-post-report-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-post-report" onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + post_id + ', false); return false;">' + Dsq.Strings.FLAG + '</a> \
			</div> \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer-right">'
				+ (_meta.votable 
					? '<span id="dsq-like-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-like">'
					+ (!_meta.up_voted
						? '<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onclick="Dsq.Post.rate(this, ' + post_id + ', 1)" >Like</button>'
						: 'You liked this.&nbsp;&nbsp;')
					+ '</span>'
					: '')
				+ (_meta.can_reply && !_meta.has_replies && _meta.from_request_user
					? '<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small dsq-post-edit" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + ')" >' + Dsq.Strings.EDIT + '</button>'
					: '')
				+ (_meta.can_reply
					? '<span class="dsq-comment-footer-reply" id="dsq-comment-footer-reply-' + post_id + '" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleReply(' + post_id +', this)"> \
						<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small">' + Dsq.Strings.REPLY + '</button> \
						<button type="button" class="dsq-comment-footer-reply-tab">' + Dsq.Strings.REPLY + '</button><span></span> \
					</span>'
					: '')
			+ '</div> \
		</div> \
		';
		
		return html;
	};



	
	this.showRetweets = function(id, limit, element_id /* Optional */) {
		var source, html = '';

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			if (reaction.id === id) {
				source = reaction.retweets;
			}
		}

		if (source) {
			if (limit === 0) {
				limit = source.length;
			}

			for (var j = 0; j < limit; j++) {
				var rt = source[j];
				html += '<a href="' + rt.url + '">' + rt.author_name + '</a>'	+ ((j === (limit - 1)) ? '.' : ', ');
			}
		}

		if (element_id === undefined) {
			return html;
		}

		var element = document.getElementById(element_id);
		element.innerHTML = html;
		return element;
	};

	this.showMoreReactions = function(reactions, has_more, start, limit) {
		var link = document.getElementById('dsq-show-more-reactions');
		var container = link.parentNode;
		container.removeChild(link);

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = reactions[i]; i++) {
			var el = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (el) {
				container.innerHTML += el;
			}
		}

		if (has_more) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = start;
			var l = limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			container.innerHTML += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions" class="dsq-show-more-reactions"><button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</button></li>';
		}
	};

	this.generateReactionHTML = function(reaction) {
		if (reaction.body === null || reaction.body == '') {
			return;
		}

		if (reaction.author_name === '') {
			reaction.author_name = '&nbsp;';
		}

		if (reaction.url === '') {
			reaction.url = reaction.get_service_url;
		}

		var item = '<li class="dsq-comment dsq-reaction" id="dsq-reaction-' + reaction.id + '">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-comment-header"> \
			<table> \
			<tr> \
			<td class="dsq-header-avatar"> \
			';

		if (reaction.author_url && reaction.author_url !== '') {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="' + reaction.author_url +'" class="dsq-avatar">';
		}

		if (reaction.avatar_url && reaction.avatar_url !== '') {
			item += '<img src="' + reaction.avatar_url + '"/>';
		} else {

			item += '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/noavatar92.png"/>';
		}

		var service_icon = (reaction.get_service_name == 'trackback' || reaction.get_service_name == 'pingback' ? 'rss' : reaction.get_service_name.replace(' ', ''));
		item += (reaction.author_url && reaction.author_url !== ''
				? '</a>'
				: '')
			+ '</td>'
			+ '<td><cite class="dsq-comment-cite">' + reaction.author_name + '</cite> <span class="dsq-comment-header-time">' + reaction.date_created + '</span></td>'
			+ '<td class="dsq-comment-header-likes"></td>'
			+ '</tr></table></div>' // end dsq-comment-header
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-header" \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-reaction-header-left">'
							+ '<img class="dsq-service-icon" src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/reactions/services/' + service_icon + '.png" />'
							+ ' From <a class="dsq-service-name" target="_blank" href="' + reaction.url + '">' + reaction.get_service_name + '</a> '
							+ 'via <a href="' + reaction.source_url + '">' + (reaction.source == 'backtype' ? 'BackType' : 'UberVU') + '</a>'
						+ '</td>'
						+ '<td class="dsq-reaction-header-right">';

			if(reaction.retweets) {
				var num_retweets = reaction.retweets.length;
				if (num_retweets > 0) {
					if (num_retweets == 1) {
						item += 'One more retweet from <a href="' + reaction.retweets[0].url + '">'  + reaction.retweets[0].author_name + '</a>';
					} else {
						item += (num_retweets + ' more retweets from ');
						item += '<span id="dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '">';
						var n_tweets = (num_retweets > 3) ? 3 : num_retweets;
						item += Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(reaction.id, n_tweets);
						if (n_tweets != num_retweets) {
							item += '</span> <a onclick="Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(' + reaction.id + ', 0, \'dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '\');'
								+ 'this.parentNode.removeChild(this); return false;" href="#">Show all</a>';
						}
					}
				}
			}	
			item += '</td></tr> \
			</table> \
			</div>' // end dsq-reaction-header
			+ '<div class="dsq-comment-body"> \
				<div class="dsq-comment-message">' + reaction.body + '</div>'
			+ '</div> \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer"> \
				<div class="dsq-comment-footer-left"> \
				</div>'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator 
					? ' \
					<div class="dsq-comment-footer-right"> \
						<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small dsq-hide-reaction" onclick="Dsq.Reaction.hide(' + reaction.id + ')">Hide</button> \
					</div>'
					: '')
			+ '</div>'
		item += '</li>'; /* Reaction HTML ends */
		return item;
	};

	this.reactions = function() {
		var html, reaction;

		if (Dsq.jsonData.reactions === undefined || Dsq.jsonData.reactions.length === 0) {
			return '';
		}

		html = '';
		for (var i = 0; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			var item = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (item) {
				html += item;
			}
		}

		if (Dsq.jsonData.has_more_reactions) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_start;
			var l = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			html += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions" class="dsq-show-more-reactions"><button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</button></li>';
		}

		return '<h3 id="dsq-reactions-title" class="dsq-h3-reactions">Reactions</h3><ul id="dsq-reactions" class="dsq-reactions">' + html + '</ul>';
	};
	
	this._popupGeneric = function(content) {
		return ' \
		<div class="dsq-popup-container"> \
			<table> \
				<tbody> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-tl"></td><td class="dsq-popup-b"></td><td class="dsq-popup-tr"></td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-b"></td> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-body"> \
							<div class="dsq-popup-content"> \
								<div class="dsq-popup-title"> \
									<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" style="float:right" onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true)">Close</button>'
									+ content['header'] 
								+ '</div>'
								+ content['body']
							+ '</div> \
							<div class="powered-by"><a href="http://disqus.com/comments/">Powered by <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-logo.png" alt="Disqus Comments" style="margin-bottom:-5px" /></a></div> \
						</td> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-b"></td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-bl"></td><td class="dsq-popup-b"></td><td class="dsq-popup-br"></td> \
					</tr> \
				</tbody> \
			</table> \
		</div> \
		';
	};



	
	this.chooseSubscribe = function(post_id) {

		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var menu = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-menu' + pid);
		
		menu.style.display = menu.style.display == 'block' ? 'none' : 'block';
		
	};
	
	this.setSubscribe = function(value, el, post_id) {

		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var input = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-on-post' + pid);
		var select = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-select' + pid);
		var menu = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-menu' + pid);
		
		select.innerHTML = el.innerHTML;
		input.value = value;
		this.chooseSubscribe(post_id);
	};
	
	this.getFormFields = function(post_id) {

		var fields = {};
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var name = Dsq.$('dsq-field-name' + pid);
		var email = Dsq.$('dsq-field-email' + pid);
		var website = Dsq.$('dsq-field-website' + pid);
		var username = Dsq.$('dsq-field-username' + pid);
		var password = Dsq.$('dsq-field-password' + pid);

		fields = {
			'name': name,
			'email': email,
			'website': website,
			'username': username,
			'password': password
		}
		
		return fields;
	}
	
	this.validateFields = function(post_id) {
		
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) { return true; }
		
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		
		var nameField = fields.name;
		var websiteField = fields.website;
		var emailField = fields.email;
		
		websiteField.value = (websiteField.value == Dsq.Templates.placeholder['website']) ? '' : websiteField.value;
		
		var v = [{

			validator: Dsq.Validators.name,
			value: nameField.value
		}, {

			validator: Dsq.Validators.email,
			value: emailField.value
		}, {

			validator: Dsq.Validators.url,
			value: websiteField.value
		}];
		
		return Dsq.Validators.validate(v, function(e) { Dsq.Popup.popModal(e, 'Oops...') } );
	};
	
	this.checkExistingUser = function(post_id) {
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);		
		Dsq.Popup.loading(post_id);
		
		if (post_id) {
			Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].getUserByEmail(fields.email.value);
		} else {
			Dsq.frames['reply_0'].getUserByEmail(fields.email.value);
		}
	};

	this.validateAuth = function(el_clicked, post_id, auth_choice) {
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		var email = fields.email ? fields.email.value : '';
		var username = fields.username ? fields.username.value : '';
		var password = fields.password ? fields.password.value : '';
		
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked, post_id);
		
		if (post_id) {
			Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].validateAuth(auth_choice, email, username, password);
		} else {
			Dsq.frames['reply_0'].validateAuth(auth_choice, email, username, password);
		}
	};

	this.lightboxUpdateEmail = function(post_id, new_email) {
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		fields.email.value = new_email;
	};

	this.lightboxAuthenticate = function(post_id, auth_choice, auth_data) {
		var title, body;
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';

		if(typeof(auth_data) == 'undefined') {
			var auth_data = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		}

		d = auth_data;

		switch(auth_choice) {
			case 'register':
				var suggestedUsername = d.name.value.replace(/[^a-zA-Z0-9-]/g,'').toLowerCase();
			
				title = Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post ? 'Optional:' : 'Required:';
				title += ' Register a <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-profile.png" alt=Disqus Profile" />';

				body = ' \
				<ul class="dsq-lightbox-register-reasons"> \
				<li>Verify your comments</li> \
				<li>Edit and delete comments</li> \
				<li>Manage comments and replies</li> \
				</ul> \
				';

				body += ' \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-fields"> \
					<table> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Email</td> \
							<td><input type="text" value="' + d.email.value + '" onchange="Dsq.Templates.lightboxUpdateEmail(' + post_id + ', this.value)" /><div id="dsq-email-errors' + pid + '"></div></td> \
						</tr> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Username</td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-username' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + suggestedUsername + '"/><div id="dsq-username-errors' + pid + '"></div></td> \
						</tr> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Password</td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-password' + pid + '" type="password" /><div id="dsq-password-errors' + pid + '"></div></td> \
						</tr> \
					</table> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-switch-auth"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(' + post_id + ',\'login\'); return false">Login instead</a></div> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-lightbox-errors' + pid + '" class="dsq-lightbox-errors"></div> \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-submit"> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-post"><button type="button" class="dsq-button" onclick="Dsq.Templates.validateAuth(this, ' + post_id + ',\'' + auth_choice + '\')">Register and Post comment</button></div>'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
						? '<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-skip"><button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onclick="Dsq.Templates.postComment(' + post_id + ', this, true)">Just post as a Guest</button></div>'
						: '')
				+ '</div> \
				';
				break;
			case 'login':
				title = Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post ? 'Optional:' : 'Required:';
				title += ' Login to your <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-profile.png" alt=Disqus Profile" />';
				body = '';
				
				if(d.avatar_url) {
					body += '<div class="dsq-lightbox-recognized"><table><tr>';
					body += '<td><img src="' + d.avatar_url + '" alt="" /></td>';
					body += '<td><span class="dsq-badge ' + (d.verified ? 'dsq-badge-verified' : 'dsq-badge-registered') + '">' + (d.verified ? 'Verified' : 'Registered') + '</span></td>';
					body += '<td>Hey <strong>' + d.display_name + '</strong>, is that you? Login below to claim this comment.';
					body += '</tr></table></div>';
				}

				body += ' \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-fields"> \
					<table> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Username or Email</td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-username' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (d.avatar_url ? d.username : '') + '" /></td> \
						</tr> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Password <a href="http://disqus.com/forgot" target="_blank">(cannot log in?)</a></td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-password' + pid + '" type="password" /></td> \
						</tr> \
					</table> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-switch-auth"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(' + post_id + ',\'register\'); return false">Register instead</a></div> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-lightbox-errors' + pid + '" class="dsq-lightbox-errors"></div> \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-submit"> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-post"><button type="button" class="dsq-button" onclick="Dsq.Templates.validateAuth(this, ' + post_id + ',\'' + auth_choice + '\')">Login and Post comment</button></div>'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
						? '<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-skip"><button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onclick="Dsq.Templates.postComment(' + post_id + ', this, true)">Just post as a Guest</button></div>'
						: '')
				+ '</div> \
				';
				break;
			default:
				break;
		}
		Dsq.Popup.lightbox(body, title, post_id);
		Dsq.$('dsq-field-username' + pid).focus();
	};
	
	this.buttonsToRestore = [];
	this.setLoadingButton = function(btn, post_id) {
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		if (btn) {

			var loadingBtn = document.createElement('button');
			loadingBtn.id = btn.id + '-loading';
			loadingBtn.innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-lite.gif" alt="" /> ' + Dsq.Strings.JUST_A_MOMENT;
			loadingBtn.className = btn.className + ' dsq-post-loading';
			btn.parentNode.appendChild(loadingBtn);
			btn.style.display = 'none';
			var cancelBtn = Dsq.$('dsq-cancel-button' + pid);
			if(cancelBtn) { cancelBtn.style.display = 'none'; this.buttonsToRestore.push(cancelBtn); }
			this.buttonsToRestore.push(btn);
		} else {

			var buttons = this.buttonsToRestore;
			for(var i = 0; i < buttons.length; i++) {
				buttons[i].style.display = 'inline';
				Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(Dsq.$(buttons[i].id + '-loading'));
			}
		}
		
	};

	this.postComment = function(post_id, el_clicked, force, auth_choice) {
		var append_id = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);

		if (Dsq.Templates.validateFields(post_id)) {

			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated && !force &&
				((!Dsq.Utils.readCookie('skipped_auth') && !disqus_skip_auth && !Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled) || !Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post)) {
				Dsq.Templates.checkExistingUser(post_id);
				return false;
			}
			var params = [];
			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
				params.push(fields.name.value,
					fields.email.value,
					fields.website.value);

				if (auth_choice == 'login' || auth_choice == 'register') {
					params.push({
						auth_choice: auth_choice,
						username: fields.username.value,
						password: fields.password.value,
						email: fields.email.value
					});
				} else {
					params.push(null);
				}

				params.push(null /* sharing options */, Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-on-post' + append_id).value);
			} else {
				var service_checked = function(name) {
					var el = Dsq.$('dsq-sharing-' + name + append_id);
					return (el !== null && el.checked === true) ? '1' : '0';
				};
				params.push(null, null, null, null, {
					tw: service_checked('twitter'),
					fb: service_checked('facebook'),
					tr: service_checked('tumblr'),
					wp: service_checked('wordpress'),
					mt: service_checked('movabletype'),
					tp: service_checked('typepad'),
					yh: service_checked('yahoo')
				});
			}

			var frame = Dsq.frames['reply_' + (post_id ? post_id : 0)];
			frame.post.apply(frame, params);

			if (el_clicked) {
				Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked, post_id);
			}
			
			if (force) {
				Dsq.Utils.createCookie('skipped_auth', true);	
			}
			
		} else {
			return false;
		}
	};

	this.editComment = function(el_clicked, post_id) {
		var edited_message = Dsq.$('dsq-edit-textarea-' + post_id).value;

		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked, post_id);
		Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id].edit(post_id, edited_message);
	};

	this.toggleEdit = function(post_id) {
		var body = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-body-' + post_id);
		var message = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + post_id);

		if (!Dsq.Post.stateEditToggled[post_id]) {


			message.style.display = 'none';
			if (Dsq.$('dsq-edit-' + post_id)) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-edit-' + post_id).style.display = 'block';
			} else {

				var edit_area = document.createElement('div');
				edit_area.id = 'dsq-edit-' + post_id;
				edit_area.className = 'dsq-edit dsq-textarea';
				edit_area.innerHTML = ' \
				<div class="dsq-textarea-wrapper"> \
					<textarea class="dsq-edit-textarea" id="dsq-edit-textarea-' + post_id + '">' + message.innerHTML + '</textarea> \
				</div> \
				<div class="dsq-save-edit"> \
					<button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Templates.editComment(this, ' + post_id + ')" class="dsq-button-small">Save Edit</button> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-edit-iframe-' + post_id + '" style="display: none"></div> \
				';

				body.appendChild(edit_area);

				if (!Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id]) {
					var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
					Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id] = new Dsq.ReplyFrame(Dsq.$('dsq-edit-iframe-' + post_id), post_id);
					Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id].init();
					Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id].setState(post_id, _meta.depth);
				}
			}
		} else {

			message.style.display = 'block';
			Dsq.$('dsq-edit-' + post_id).style.display = 'none';
		}
		
		Dsq.Post.stateEditToggled[post_id] = !Dsq.Post.stateEditToggled[post_id];
	};
	
	this.edit = function(el, post_id) {

		Dsq.Templates.toggleEdit(post_id);
	};

	this.toggleReply = function(post_id, button) {
		
		if(!this.stateReplyToggled[post_id]) {

			if (Dsq.$('dsq-reply-post-' + post_id)) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).style.display = 'block';
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.postBox(post_id);
				var container = Dsq.$('dsq-textarea-wrapper-' + post_id);
				if (!Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id] && container) {
					var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id] = new Dsq.ReplyFrame(container, post_id);
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].init(function() {

						Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.postBox(post_id, true);
						Dsq.$('dsq-form-area-' + post_id).innerHTML = '';

						var theme = (typeof disqus_frame_theme == 'undefined') ? 'default' : disqus_frame_theme;
						Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(Dsq.$('dsq-form-area-' + post_id), post_id, {theme: theme});

					});
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].setState(post_id, _meta.depth);
				}
			}
			Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).className = 'dsq-append-post';
			Dsq.$('dsq-comment-footer-reply-' + post_id).className = 'dsq-comment-footer-reply-active';
			
		} else {

			Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).style.display = 'none';
			Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).className = '';
			Dsq.$('dsq-comment-footer-reply-' + post_id).className = 'dsq-comment-footer-reply';
		}
		
		this.stateReplyToggled[post_id] = !this.stateReplyToggled[post_id];

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie && this.stateReplyToggled[post_id]) {

		}

		Dsq.Events.fire(Dsq.Events.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED, {
			postId: post_id,
			opened: this.stateReplyToggled[post_id]
		});
	};
	
	this.moderateOptions = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		
		if(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator && !Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator) { return false; }

		var html;
		
		html = ' \
		<div class="dsq-moderate-options"> \
		<table>'
		+ (_meta.email ? '<tr><td>Email</td><td>' + _meta.email + '</td></tr>' : '')
		+ (_meta.ip ? '<tr><td>IP address</td><td>' + _meta.ip + '</td></tr>' : '')
		+ '<tr> \
			<td>Actions</td> \
			<td><ul>'
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.moderator_can_edit
				? '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false;">Edit Comment</a></li>'
				: '')
			+ '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.removePost(' + post_id + ', 1); Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false;">Delete Comment</a></li> \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.reportSpam(' + post_id + '); Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false;">Mark Spam</a></li> \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.blacklist(' + post_id + '); return false">Block User</a></li> \
			</ul></td> \
			</table> \
		</div> \
		';
		
		html += '<p>Go to the full <a href="http://disqus.com/comments/moderate/" target="_blank">moderate panel</a> for more options.</p>';
		
		return Dsq.Popup.popModal(html, 'Moderate Options', post_id);
	};
	
	this.placeholder = {
		'class': 'dsq-placeholder',
		'name': Dsq.Strings.NAME,
		'email': Dsq.Strings.EMAIL,
		'website': Dsq.Strings.WEBSITE + ' (' + Dsq.Strings.OPTIONAL.toLowerCase() + ')'
	};
	
	this.handlePlaceholder = function(evt, el, key) {
		var placeholder = Dsq.Templates.placeholder[key];
		var className = Dsq.Templates.placeholder['class'];
		
		switch(evt.type) {
			case 'focus':
				if(el.value == placeholder) {
					el.value = '';
					el.className = '';
				}
				break;

			case 'blur':
				if(el.value == '') {
					el.value = placeholder;
					el.className = className;
				}
				break;
			default:
				break;
		}
	};
	
	this.paginate = function(page, el_clicked) {

		var extra_params = '';

		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined') {
			extra_params += '&per_page=' + disqus_per_page;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_sort != 'undefined') {
			extra_params += '&sort=' + disqus_sort;
		}

		Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML += '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
		
		if(el_clicked) {
			Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked);
		}
		
		Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'my_thoughts_about_zune_vs_ipod'
			+ '&p='		+ page
			+ extra_params);
	};
	
	
	this.rate = function(el, id, vote) {


		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_votes) {
			if(vote == 1) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-like-' + id).innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
			}
			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/vote.js'
				+ '?post_id='    + id
				+ '&vote='        + vote);
		} else {
			Dsq.Popup.login('To rate, please log in');
		}
	};

	this.voted = function(post_id, points, vote) {

		Dsq.$('dsq-like-pts-' + post_id).innerHTML = points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this.';

		if(vote) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-like-' + post_id).innerHTML = 'You liked this.&nbsp;&nbsp;';
		}
	};




	this.postComment_onSuccess = function(response, parent_post_id, post_id) {
		var approved = response.message.post_meta.approved;

		if (parent_post_id) {
			Dsq.Post.toggleReply(parent_post_id);
		}

		Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);
		
		if (approved) {
			Dsq.Post.incrementPostCount();
			Dsq.Post.outlineComment(post_id);
		} else {			
			var unapproved_msg = 'Thanks for posting!\
	 Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.\
			';
			Dsq.Popup.popModal(unapproved_msg, 'Comment awaiting approval', post_id);
		}

		var sharing_results = response.message.sharing_results;
		var sharing_errors = '';
		for (var service in sharing_results) {
			if (sharing_results.hasOwnProperty(service) === true) {
				if (sharing_results[service].error === true) {
					sharing_errors += service + ', ';
				}
			}
		}

		if (sharing_results.facebook && sharing_results.facebook.callback) {
			FB.ensureInit(function() {
				FB.Connect.streamPublish('', sharing_results.facebook.attachment);
			});
		}

		if (sharing_errors !== '') {
			var message = 'Your comment was posted, but there were errors sharing with the following connections: ';
			message += sharing_errors.replace(/,\s$/, '');
			message += '<p><a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/connections" target="_blank">Configure your connections here</a></p>'
			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, 'Sharing options');
		}

		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};

	this.postComment_onFailure = function(response, parent_post_id, post_id) {

		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};
};




// TODO: It might be faster to use string methods to find all <li (...) </li> blocks and pass to Dsq.PostHandler manually.
Dsq.CommentsHandler = function(str, head, post_id, content, tail, offset, s) {
	var prepend_post = Dsq.Templates.prependPost(post_id);
	var append_post = Dsq.Templates.appendPost(post_id);

	content = content.replace(Dsq.POST_RE, Dsq.PostHandler);
	Dsq.Templates.postLoopCounter++;
	head = Dsq.Templates.Filters.commentContainer(post_id, head);
	return prepend_post + head + content + tail + append_post;
};

Dsq.PostHandler = function(str, h_head, post_id, h_content, h_tail, b_head, b_content, b_tail, offset, s) {
	var prepend_header = Dsq.Templates.postPrependHeader(post_id);
	var append_header = Dsq.Templates.postAppendHeader(post_id);
	var prepend_body = Dsq.Templates.preBody(post_id);
	var append_body = Dsq.Templates.postBody(post_id);
	var append_footer = Dsq.Templates.postFooter(post_id);

	b_content = b_content.replace(Dsq.POST_BODY_RE, Dsq.PostBodyHandler);
	return h_head + prepend_header + h_content + append_header + h_tail + b_head + prepend_body + b_content + append_body + b_tail + append_footer;
};

Dsq.PostBodyHandler = function(str, head, post_id, content, tail, offset, s) {
	content = Dsq.Templates.Filters.commentContent(post_id, content);
	return head + content + tail;
};

Dsq.MediaPostHandler = function(str, args, offset, s) {
	args = args.split(' ');
	if(args[0] == 'seesmic') {
		return '<br />' + Dsq.Templates.mediaSeesmic(args[1], args[2]);
	}
	return '';
};


/**
 * Shorcuts
 */
Dsq.$ = function(element) { return document.getElementById(element); };
Dsq.$b = document.body || document.getElementsByTagName('body')[0];


/**
 * Dsq.Debug: Logging functions.
 */

Dsq.Debug = new function() {this.log=function(s){};this.profile=function(f){if(typeof f == 'function')return f();else return eval(f);};};


/**
 * Dsq.Urls: URL paths
 */
Dsq.Urls = new function() {
	this.LOGIN = '/profile/login/';
	this.LOGOUT = '/logout/';
	this.REPLY = 'http://scobleizer.disqus.com/my_thoughts_about_zune_vs_ipod/reply.html';
	this.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE = '/AnonymousUser/';
	this.REQUEST_USER_AVATAR = 'http://media.disqus.com/images/noavatar92.png';
};
// Dsq.Urls

/**
 * Dsq.Validators: Validation for form fields
 */
Dsq.Validators = new function() {
	this.VALID_EMAIL_RE = /^[a-z0-9\-\_\+]+(\.[a-z0-9\-\_\+]+)*\@(([a-z0-9\-\_\+]+(\.[a-z0-9\-\_\+]+)*)+\.[a-z]{2,}|([0-9]+\.){3}[0-9]+)$/i;
	this.name = function(name) {
		var error = false;

		if(typeof Dsq.Templates.placeholder !== 'undefined' &&
		   name == Dsq.Templates.placeholder.name) {
			error = true;
		}
		if(name.length <= 1) {
			error = true;
		}

		if(error) {
			return "Please enter a name to comment.";
		} else {
			return true;
		}
	};
	this.email = function(addr) {
		if(Dsq.Validators.VALID_EMAIL_RE.test(addr)) {
			return true;
		} else {
			return "Please enter a valid email to comment.";
		}
	};
	this.url = function(addr) {
		if(!addr || addr.indexOf('.') != -1) {
			return true;
		} else {
			return "Please check your website URL (this field is optional).";
		}
	};

	this.validate = function(bulk_validation, failure_callback) {
		failure_callback = failure_callback || function(e){ alert(e); };

		for(var i = 0; i < bulk_validation.length; i++) {
			v = bulk_validation[i];
			ret = v.validator(v.value);
			if(ret !== true) {
				failure_callback(ret);
				return false;
			}
		}
		return true;
	};
};

/**
 * Dsq.Utils: Generic utility functions.
 */
Dsq.Utils = new function() {
	this.ie = /msie/i.test(navigator.userAgent) && !/opera/i.test(navigator.userAgent);
	this.ie7 = (document.all && !window.opera && window.XMLHttpRequest) ? true : false;
	this.ie6 = (!window.XMLHttpRequest) ? true: false;
	this.webkit = navigator.userAgent.indexOf('AppleWebKit/') >= 0;
	this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache = {};
	this._styleSheet = null;

	this.gebiFromElement = function(el, id, tag) {
		// This only method only helps IE.
		if(!this.ie) {
			return Dsq.$(id);
		} else {
			var cacheKey = el.id + '-' + tag;
			tag = tag || 'div';
			if(typeof this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache[cacheKey] != 'undefined') {
				collection = this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache[cacheKey];
			} else {
				collection = el.getElementsByTagName(tag);
				this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache[cacheKey] = collection;
			}

			for(var i = 0; i < collection.length; i++) {
				if(collection[i].id == id) {
					return collection[i];
				}
			}
			return null;
		}
	};

	this.execOnReady = function(func) {
		var node = document.createElement('document:ready');
		try {
			node.doScroll('left');
			func();
			node = null;
		} catch(err) {
			setTimeout(function() { Dsq.Utils.execOnReady(func); }, 10);
		}
	};


	// Courtesy of http://www.quirksmode.org/js/cookies.html
	this.createCookie = function(name,value,days) {
		if (days) {
			var date = new Date();
			date.setTime(date.getTime()+(days*24*60*60*1000));
			var expires = "; expires="+date.toGMTString();
		}
		else var expires = "";
		document.cookie = name+"="+value+expires+"; path=/";
	};

	this.readCookie = function(name) {
		var nameEQ = name + "=";
		var ca = document.cookie.split(';');
		for(var i=0;i < ca.length;i++) {
			var c = ca[i];
			while (c.charAt(0)==' ') c = c.substring(1,c.length);
			if (c.indexOf(nameEQ) == 0) return c.substring(nameEQ.length,c.length);
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.eraseCookie = function(name) {
		Dsq.Utils.createCookie(name,"",-1);
	};

	this.deleteNode = function(node) {
		if(node) {
			this.deleteChildren(node);
			if(typeof node.outerHTML != 'undefined') { node.outerHTML = ''; }
			else if(node.parentNode) { node.parentNode.removeChild(node); }
			delete node;
		}
	};

	this.deleteChildren = function(node) {
		if(node) {
			for(var x = node.childNodes.length-1; x >= 0; x--) {
				var childNode = node.childNodes[x];
				if(childNode.hasChildNodes()) { this.deleteChildren(childNode); }
				if(typeof childNode.outerHTML != 'undefined') { childNode.outerHTML = ''; }
				else node.removeChild(childNode);
				delete childNode;
			}
		}
	};

	this.findPos = function(obj) {
		var curleft = 0;
		var curtop = 0;
		if (obj.offsetParent) {
			do {
				curleft += obj.offsetLeft;
				curtop += obj.offsetTop;
			} while (obj = obj.offsetParent);
		}
		return [curleft,curtop];
	};

	this.getWindowSize = function() {
		var windowWidth = -1;
		var windowHeight = -1;

		if(typeof(window.innerWidth) == 'number') { //Non-IE
			windowWidth = window.innerWidth;
			windowHeight = window.innerHeight;
		} else if(document.documentElement) { // IE 6+ in 'standards compliant mode'
			windowWidth = document.documentElement.clientWidth || document.body.clientWidth;
			windowHeight = document.documentElement.clientHeight || document.body.clientHeight;
		}

		return [windowWidth, windowHeight];
	}

	this.getScrollPos = function() {
		var scrollWidth, scrollTop;

		if(document.documentElement && (document.documentElement.scrollTop || document.documentElement.scrollWidth)) {
			scrollWidth = document.documentElement.scrollWidth;
			// IE is weird here.  If no doctype is provided, document.body.scrollTop is 0,
			// otherwise document.documentElement.scrollTop is 0.
			scrollTop = document.documentElement.scrollTop || document.body.scrollTop;
		} else if(document.body.scrollTop && document.body.scrollWidth) {
			scrollWidth = document.body.scrollWidth;
			scrollTop = document.body.scrollTop;
		}

		return [scrollWidth, scrollTop];
	}

	this.addEventListener = function(instance, eventName, listener) {
		var listenerFn = listener;
		if (instance.addEventListener) {
			instance.addEventListener(eventName, listenerFn, false);
		} else if (instance.attachEvent) {
			listenerFn = function() {
				listener(window.event);
			};
			instance.attachEvent("on" + eventName, listenerFn);
		} else {
			throw new Error("Event registration not supported");
		}
		return {
			instance: instance,
			name: eventName,
			listener: listenerFn
		};
	};

	this.removeEventListener = function(event) {
		var instance = event.instance;
		if (instance.removeEventListener) {
			instance.removeEventListener(event.name, event.listener, false);
		} else if (instance.detachEvent) {
			instance.detachEvent("on" + event.name, event.listener);
		}
	};

	this.fixIframesIE = function(id) {
		var disqusThread = Dsq.$(disqus_container_id);
		var iframes = disqusThread.getElementsByTagName('iframe');

		if(id) {
			var container = Dsq.$(id);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-content');
		}

		for(i = 0; i < iframes.length; i++) {
			if (container) {
				iframes[i].style.width = container.offsetWidth;
			}
		}
	};

	this.getElementsByClassName = function(oElm, strTagName, strClassName) {
	/* Credit: Jonathan Snook [http://www.snook.ca/jonathan], Robert Nyman [http://www.robertnyman.com] */
		var arrElements = (strTagName == "*" && oElm.all)? oElm.all : oElm.getElementsByTagName(strTagName);
		var arrReturnElements = new Array();
		strClassName = strClassName.replace(/\-/g, "\\-");
		var oRegExp = new RegExp("(^|\\s)" + strClassName + "(\\s|$)");
		var oElement;
		for(var i = 0; i < arrElements.length; i++) {
			oElement = arrElements[i];
			if(oRegExp.test(oElement.className)) {
				arrReturnElements.push(oElement);
			}
		}
		return (arrReturnElements);
	};

	this.postToUrl = function(url, post_data, opt_redirect) {
		var form = document.createElement('form');
		var iframe_container = document.createElement('div');
		var id = 'dsq-temp-iframe-' + (new Date()).getTime();

		form.method = 'POST';
		form.action = url;
		if (!opt_redirect) {
			form.target = id;
		}
		iframe_container.innerHTML = '<iframe style="display:none" name="' + id + '" id="' + id + '"></iframe>';

		for(var key in post_data) {
			if(post_data.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				var input = document.createElement('input');
				input.name = key;
				input.type = 'hidden';
				input.value = post_data[key];

				form.appendChild(input);
			}
		}

		Dsq.$b.appendChild(iframe_container);
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(form);
		form.submit();
	};

	// Strips integer id from id of element in the form ('some-id-###')
	this.extractId = function(e) {
		var chunks = e.id.split('-');
		if(chunks.length <= 1) {
			return 0;
		} else {
			var retval = parseInt(chunks[chunks.length-1]);
			return !isNaN(retval) ? retval : null;
		}
	};

	this.getStyle = function(el, styleProp) {
		if(el.currentStyle) {
			var y = el.currentStyle[styleProp];
		} else if(window.getComputedStyle) {
			var y = document.defaultView.getComputedStyle(el, null).getPropertyValue(styleProp);
		}

		if(y == 'transparent' || y == '') {
			this.getStyle(el.parentNode, styleProp);
		} else {
			return y;
		}
	};

	this.execScript = function(url, append_qs, container) {
		var script = document.createElement('script');
		append_qs = typeof append_qs == 'undefined' ? true : append_qs;
		container = container || Dsq.container;

		if(append_qs) {
			var j = (url.indexOf('?') >= 0) ? '&' : '?';
			url += j + (new Date()).getTime();
		}
		script.type = 'text/javascript';
		script.charset = 'UTF-8';
		script.src = url;
		container.appendChild(script);
		return script;
	};

	this.pluralize = function(num, singular, plural) {
		return (num != 1) ? plural || 's' : singular || '';
	};

	this.getRequestParams = function(queryString /* optional */) {
		var pairs, tuple;
		var params = {};

		queryString = queryString || window.location.search.substring(1);
		pairs = queryString.split('&');

		for (var i = 0, pair; pair = pairs[i]; i++) {
			tuple = pair.split('=');
			params[tuple[0]] = (tuple[1] || true);
		}

		return params;
	};

	this.addCssRule = function(selector, styleText, index) {
		var stylesheet;
		index = index || 0;

		if(!this._styleSheet) {
			var styleEl = document.createElement('style');
			document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(styleEl);
			this._styleSheet = styleEl.sheet;
			if(!this._styleSheet) {
				// IE does not like our newly created stylesheet.
				this._styleSheet = document.styleSheets[document.styleSheets.length-1];
			}
		}
		stylesheet = this._styleSheet;

		if(stylesheet.insertRule) {
			var ruleText = selector + ' { ' + styleText + ' }';
			if(index == -1) {
				index = stylesheet.cssRules.length;
			}
			stylesheet.insertRule(ruleText, index);
		} else if(stylesheet.addRule) {
			stylesheet.addRule(selector, styleText, index);
		}
	};

	this.forEachIn = function(obj, callback) {
		for(var key in obj) {
			if(obj.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				callback(key, obj[key]);
			}
		}
	};

	this._interpolateGlobalContext = {
		// values that get used a lot and are global to the request
		'profile_url': Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE,

		'disqus_url': Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url,
		'media_url': Dsq.jsonData.settings.media_url,
		'request_username': Dsq.jsonData.request.username,
		'request_display_username': Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username,
		'forum_name': Dsq.jsonData.forum.name
	};

	this.renderFromContextStack = function(key, contexts) {
		// Returns the first instance of `key` in the array of objects `contexts` or else ''
		for (var i=0; i<contexts.length; i++) {
			if (contexts[i][key] !== undefined) {
				return String(contexts[i][key]);
			}
		}
		throw new Error('key ' + key + ' not found in context');
	};

	var that = this;
	this.interpolate = function(fmt, opt_localContext) {
		// Interpolate `fmt` named-format string with an assumed global context.
		// Based on `interpolate` in django.views.i18n
		var contextStack = [opt_localContext || {}, that._interpolateGlobalContext];
		return fmt.replace(/%\(\w+\)s/g, function(match){
			return that.renderFromContextStack(match.slice(2,-2), contextStack);
		});
	};

	this.stripTags = function(s) {
		// Removes HTML tags from `s`
		return s.replace(/(<([^>]+)>)/g,"");

	};

	this.assert = function(b) {
		if (!b) {
			throw new Error('Assertion error.');
		}
	};

};
// Dsq.Utils

/**
 * Dsq.Popup: Popup helper functions.
 */
Dsq.Popup = new function() {
	this.timeHide = new Array();
	this.timeShow = new Array();
	this.activePopup = {};
	this.profileCache = {};
	this.statusCache = {};

	this.showTimer = function(post_id) {
		// clear the hide timer
		clearTimeout(this.timeHide[post_id]);

		// start the timer
		if(!Dsq.Popup.profileIsOn && !Dsq.Thread.adminIsOn) {
			this.timeShow[post_id] = setTimeout("Dsq.Popup.popProfile(\"" + post_id + "\")", 400);
		}
	};

	this.hideTimer = function(post_id) {
		// clear the show timer
		clearTimeout(this.timeShow[post_id]);
	};

	this.updateProfile = function(username) {
		// Callback from /embed/profile.js
		if (this.statusCache[username]) {
			var statusEl = Dsq.$('dsq-profile-status-' + username);
			statusEl.innerHTML = this.statusCache[username];
			statusEl.style.display = 'block';
		}

		if (this.profileCache[username]) {
			var _cache = this.profileCache[username];

			var _genhtml = function(text) { return '<span><big>' + text + '</big></span>'; };
			var _no_comments = _genhtml(Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_COMMENTS(_cache.comments_count));
			var _no_likes = _genhtml(Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_LIKES(_cache.likes_count));
			var _no_points = _genhtml(Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_POINTS(_cache.points));

			var statsEl = Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-user-stats-' + username);
			statsEl.innerHTML = '';

			if (Dsq.jsonData.users[username].registered) {
				statsEl.innerHTML = _no_comments + _no_likes;
			}
			statsEl.innerHTML += _no_points;

			var activeSites = '';
			for (var i = 0; i < _cache.active_sites.length; i++) {
				var site = _cache.active_sites[i];
				activeSites += '<li><a href="' + site.url + '"> \
					<img src="' + site.favicon + '"/ width="16" height="16"/></a>\
					<a href="' + site.url + '">' + site.name + '</a></li>';
			}
			if (activeSites !== '') {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + username).innerHTML = activeSites;
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + username).innerHTML = 'This site.';
			}

			var moderatedSites = '';
			for (var i = 0; i < _cache.moderated_sites.length; i++) {
				var site = _cache.moderated_sites[i];
				moderatedSites += '<li><a href="' + site.url + '"> \
					<img src="' + site.favicon + '"/ width="16" height="16"/></a>\
					<a href="' + site.url + '">' + site.name + '</a></li>';
			}
			if (moderatedSites !== '') {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-moderated-' + username).innerHTML = moderatedSites;
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-moderated-wrapper-' + username).innerHTML = '';
			}
		}

		// Reposition popup after full HTML is rendered
		if(Dsq.Popup.activePopup && Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el) {
			Dsq.Popup.initPopup(Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el, Dsq.Popup.activePopup.id, Dsq.Popup.activePopup.type);
		}

	};

	this.showCookieMsgs = function() {
		var title = '';
		var message = '';
		var numAlerts = 0;

		Dsq.Utils.forEachIn(Dsq.jsonData.cookie_messages, function(k, v) {
			if (!v) return;

			switch(k) {
				// Cookie: Twitter
				case 'post_twitter':
					if (v === 'error') {
						title = 'Twitter Error!';
						message += '<li id="dsq-msg-twitter-error">Oops, we couldn\'t tweet this comment. Please check your <a href="http://disqus.com/account/services">account settings</a>.</li>';
					} else {
						var _msg = v.split(':');
						title = 'Tweeted!';
						message += '<li id="dsq-msg-twitter-success">Your comment was successfully tweeted. <a href="http://twitter.com/' + _msg[0] + '/status/' + _msg[1] + '">Click here to view the tweet</a>.</li>';
					}
					break;
				// Cookie: Unapproved Post
				case 'post_not_approved':
					title = 'Comment awaiting approval by a moderator';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-post-not-approved">Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.</li>';
					break;
				// Cookie: Profile Found
				case 'post_has_profile':
					title = 'Use your existing commenter profile';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-post-has-profile">You have just posted your commment as a <span class="dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span>, but you may already have a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile.<br /><br /><a href="http://disqus.com/claim">Log in and claim this comment!</a></li>';
					break;
				case 'user_created':
					var _data = v.split(':');
					title = 'Profile created!';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-user-created">You have just created a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile, the best way to claim, manage, and track your comments all over the web. \
					<br /><br />A confirmation is being sent to <strong>' + _data[1] + '</strong>. Please check for this email in order to verify your profile. \
					<ul class="dsq-list-tick"> \
						<li>Your username is <strong>' + _data[0] +'</strong>. <a href="http://disqus.com/people/' + _data[0] + '/" target="_blank">Click here to view your public profile</a>.</li> \
						<li>Be sure to set your profile picture, as well as connect your <span class="dsq-badge-facebook">Facebook</span> and <span class="dsq-badge-twitter">Twitter</span> accounts. <a href="http://disqus.com/account/" target="_blank">Click here for account settings</a>.</li> \
					</ul> \
					</li>'
					break;
				default:
					break;
			}
			numAlerts++;
		});

		if(numAlerts > 1) {
			message = '<ul class="dsq-list-bluebullet">' + message;
			message += '</ul>';
			title = 'Thanks for posting!';
		}
		if(numAlerts > 0) {
			if(typeof(disqus_cookie_msgs) == 'function') {
				disqus_cookie_msgs(message, title);
			} else {
				Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
			}
		}
	};

	this.helpBadges = function(post_id) {
		var html = ' \
			<ul class="dsq-popup-help"> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span> has a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile with a confirmed email address.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span> has a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile, but has not yet confirmed his or her email address.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span> is not logged in with any account and has not claimed his or her comments.</li> \
				<li class="dsq-help-otheraccts">Other accounts</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-facebook">Facebook</span> is using his or her Facebook profile via Facebook Connect.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-twitter">Twitter</span> is using his or her Twitter profile via Twitter Sign-in.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-openid">OpenID</span> is using his or her OpenID.</li> \
			</ul> \
		';

		this.popModal(html, 'Help: Types of Commenters', post_id);
		return;
	};

	this.permalink = function(post_id) {
		var header = 'Link to this comment';
		var body = '<strong>You are anchored to</strong>:<br />' + document.location.protocol + '//' + document.location.host + document.location.pathname + document.location.search + '#comment-' + post_id;

		this.popModal(body, header, post_id);
	};

	this.login = function(header, body) {
		var h = header || 'Login or Register';
		var b = body || '';
		b += Dsq.Templates.frameLogin({id: 'dsq-popup-login'});
		b += '</iframe>'; // HACK: Sometimes there is something funky with the IFRAME SRC that causes no end tag
		this.popModal(b, h, null, true, 'dsq-popup-login');
	};

	this.blacklist = function(id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		var title = 'Add to Blacklist';
		var message = ' \
		Adding this person to the blacklist will block him or her from commenting on this site. Check the following types that you would like to add to the blacklist:'
		+ (userData['registered'] ?
			'<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
				<input id="dsq-blacklist-username" type="checkbox" checked> \
				<label for="dsq-blacklist-username"><strong>Username</strong>: ' + userData['username'] + '</label> \
			</div>'
			: '')
		+ (_meta.email ?
			'<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
				<input id="dsq-blacklist-email" type="checkbox" checked> \
				<label for="dsq-blacklist-email"><strong>Email address</strong>: ' + _meta.email + '</label> \
			</div>'
			: '')
		+ '<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
			<input id="dsq-blacklist-ip" type="checkbox" onclick="Dsq.$(\'dsq-blacklist-ip-warning\').style.display=\'block\'"> \
			<label for="dsq-blacklist-ip"><strong>IP address</strong>: ' + _meta.ip + '</label> \
		</div> \
		';

		message += ' \
			<p id="dsq-blacklist-ip-warning" style="display:none">	\
				Note: Blocking this person\'s IP address may also unintentionally prevent others, who share his/her IP address, from commenting on this site. \
				This may include people who are sharing the same computer, living in the same house, or using the same Internet provider. Only block an IP address as a last resort. \
			</p> \
		';

		message += ' \
			<p style="text-align:center"><button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Post.blockUser(' + id + '); this.disabled=true; this.innerHTML=\'Just one moment...\'">Add to Blacklist</button></p> \
		';

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
	};

	this.remoteAccountSettings = function() {
		var body = '';
		// Set up IFrame.
		var params = {};
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/_auth/embed/remote_settings/';
		var attributes = {id: 'dsq-popup-account-settings'};
		if (typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}

		body = Dsq.Templates._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
		this.popModal(body, 'Account Settings', null, true, 'dsq-popup-account-settings');
	};

	this.popModal = function(message, title, post_id, use_listener, extra_classes) {
		var container = document.createElement('div');
		var header, body;

		Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);

		if(typeof(title) == 'undefined') { title = ''; }
		if(typeof(use_listener) == 'undefined') { use_listener = true; }

		if(post_id) {
			container.id = 'dsq-popup-message-' + post_id;
		} else {
			container.id = 'dsq-popup-message';
		}

		header = title;
		body = message;

		container.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.popupModal(header, body);
		Dsq.Popup.initPopup(container, post_id, 'message', extra_classes);
		if(use_listener) {
			Dsq.Popup.popupListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', Dsq.Popup._closePopup);
		}
	};

	this.popAlert = this.popModal;

	this.loading = function(post_id) {
		var title = Dsq.Strings.JUST_A_MOMENT;
		var body = '<div style="text-align:center; padding: 5px 0 10px 0"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading.gif" alt="" /></div>'
		Dsq.Popup.lightbox(body, title, post_id);
	};

	this.lightbox = function(message, title, post_id) {
		// Wraps Dsq.Popup.popModal

		var overlay = document.createElement('div');
		overlay.id = 'dsq-overlay';
		overlay.className = 'dsq-overlay';
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(overlay);
		
		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title, post_id, false, 'dsq-lightbox');
	};

	this.popProfile = function(post_id, userKey) {
		var post = Dsq.jsonData['posts'][post_id];
		if (post && post.has_been_anonymized) {
			Dsq.Popup.popModal('This message was anonymized by its previous owner.', 'Anonymized', post_id);
			return;
		}

		if(post_id) {
			userKey = Dsq.jsonData['posts'][post_id].user_key;	
		}
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][userKey];
		var elId = 'dsq-popup-profile-' + userKey;
		var container = document.createElement('div');

		if(this.activePopup.el) {
			this._closePopup(null, true);
			if(this.activePopup.linkClicked) {
				this.activePopup.linkClicked = false;
				return;
			}
		}

		container.id = elId;
		container.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.popupProfile(userKey);

		this.initPopup(container, post_id, 'profile');
		this.popupListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', this._closePopup);

		if(!this.profileCache[userKey]) {
			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/embed/profile.js'
				+ '?username=' + userKey
				+ '&anon=' + (userData['registered'] ? 0 : 1)
				+ '&f=' + Dsq.jsonData['request'].forum);
		} else {
			this.updateProfile(userKey);
		}
	};

	this._closePopup = function(e, force) {
		var activePopup = Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el;
		var id = Dsq.Popup.activePopup.id;
		var link = 'dsq-avatar-' + id; // HACK: Specific to profile toggle target

		// HACK: This event should be gone if there is no active popup.
		if(!activePopup) {
			return;
		}
		if(force || !Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, activePopup.id)) {
			// TODO: This is breaking iE?
			if(Dsq.Popup.popupListener) {
				Dsq.Utils.removeEventListener(Dsq.Popup.popupListener);
			}
			
			// Kill overlay
			var overlay = Dsq.$('dsq-overlay');
			if(overlay) { Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(overlay); }
			
			try {
				Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(activePopup);
			} catch(e) {
				// HACK: IE6 throws an error when using deleteNode() with a node containing a <table> in the html.
				activePopup.parentNode.removeChild(activePopup);
			}
			Dsq.Popup.activePopup = {};
		}

		if(!force && Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, link)) {
 			Dsq.Popup.activePopup.linkClicked = true;
		}

	};

	this.initPopup = function(popup, post_id, type, extra_classes) {
		popup.className = 'dsq-popup dsq-popup-' + type + ' ' + (extra_classes ? extra_classes : '');
		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6 || Dsq.Utils.ie7) {
			// HACK: We can't modify the body before it's ready, so we need
			//       to use an IE-safe "DOMReady" workaround before loading
			//       our popup.
			Dsq.Utils.execOnReady(function() {Dsq.$b.appendChild(popup); });
		} else {
			Dsq.$b.appendChild(popup);
		}

		popup.style.display = 'block';

		var xPos = (Dsq.Utils.getWindowSize()[0] - popup.offsetWidth) / 2;
		var yPos = (Dsq.Utils.getWindowSize()[1] - popup.offsetHeight) / 2;

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) {
			yPos += Dsq.Utils.getScrollPos()[1];
		}

		popup.style.left = xPos + 'px';
		popup.style.top = yPos + 'px';

		Dsq.Popup.activePopup = {
			'el' : popup,
			'id' : post_id,
			'type': type,
			'linkClicked' : false
		};
	};

	this.isClicked = function(e, id) {
		var t = e.target || e.srcElement;
		while(t && t.parentNode) {
			if(t.id == id) {
				return true;
			}

			t = t.parentNode;
		}
		return false;
	};
};
// Dsq.Popup

/**
 * Dsq.Templates
 */
Dsq.Templates = new function() {
	/*
	 * Counter keeping track of the number of posts iterated over.
	 */
	this.postLoopCounter = 0;
	this.filters = {};
	this.addPostContainer = 'dsq-post-add';
	this.textareaContainer = 'dsq-post-add';

	this.registerTemplate = function(name, func) {
		this['$$_' + name] = func;

		if(typeof DsqLocal.Filters != 'undefined'
		&& typeof DsqLocal.Filters[name] == 'function') {
			// Push filters to this.filters to unify code.
			this.filters[name] = this.filters[name] || [];
			this.filters[name].push(DsqLocal.Filters[name]);
		}

		this[name] = function() {
			var ret;

			if(typeof DsqLocal.Templates != 'undefined'
			&& typeof DsqLocal.Templates[name] == 'function') {
				ret = DsqLocal.Templates[name].apply(this, arguments);
			}

			if(ret === undefined) {
				ret = this['$$_' + name].apply(this, arguments);
			}

			if(this.filters[name]) {
				var args = [ret];

				args.push.apply(args, arguments);
				for(var i = 0; i < this.filters[name].length; i++) {
					ret = this.filters[name][i].apply(this, args);
				}
			}

			return ret;
		};
	};

	this.registerFilter = function(name, func) {
		this.filters[name] = this.filters[name] || [];
		this.filters[name].push(func);
	};

	/**
	 * Dsq.Templates.Filters
	 */
	this.Filters = new function() {
		this.commentContainer = function(post_id, s) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			var classes = [];
			if(Dsq.jsonData.request.page > 1) {
				classes.push('dsq-append');
			}

			//
			// Extra classes used for custom themes
			//

			if(_meta.depth) {
				classes.push('dsq-comment-child', 'dsq-depth-' + _meta.depth, 'dsq-parent-is-' + _meta.parent_post_id);
			}


			//

			if(_meta.author_is_creator) {
				// TODO: We need to deprecate the "special" class since it is not properly prefixed.
				classes.push('special', 'dsq-special');
			}
			if(_meta.author_is_moderator) {
				classes.push('dsq-moderator');
			}
			classes.push(['dsq-odd', 'dsq-even'][Dsq.Templates.postLoopCounter % 2]);

			s = s.substring(0, s.lastIndexOf('>'));
			return s + ' class="dsq-comment ' + classes.join(' ') + '" style="margin-left:' + _meta.depth*30 + 'px">';
		};

		this.commentContent = function(post_id, s) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			if (_meta.killed) {
				return '<em>Comment removed.</em>';
			} else if (!_meta.approved) {
				return '<em>This comment was flagged for review.</em>';
			}

			s = s.replace(Dsq.MEDIA_POST_RE, Dsq.MediaPostHandler);
			return s;
		};
	};

	//
	// Thread
	//
	// TODO: These need to be stripped of all Django template tags.

	this.authPost = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.context.show_reply) {
			return '';
		}
		var result = [];
		result = result.concat([
				'<div id="dsq-auth"',
						Dsq.jsonData.integration.reply_position ? 'class="dsq-auth-bottom"' : '',
						'>',
					'<div class="dsq-by">',
						'<a href="http://disqus.com" target="_blank">',
							(Dsq.jsonData.integration.disqus_logo ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img src="%(media_url)s/images/embed/by-disqus.png" alt="discussion by DISQUS">') :
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img src="%(media_url)s/images/embed/dsq-button-120x19.png" alt="discussion by DISQUS">')
							),
						'</a>',
					'</div>',
					'<div class="dsq-auth-header">',
						'<h3 id="dsq-add-new-comment" class="dsq-h3-addcomment">',
								Dsq.Strings.ADD_NEW_COMMENT,
						'</h3>',
						'<div id="dsq-login">',
						(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated && Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
								? '<p class="dsq-login-message" id="dsq-login-message">You are commenting as a <a class="dsq-help" title="Click for more information" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Guest</a>. You may select one to log into:</p>'
								: '')
		]);
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
			result = result.concat([
							Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
								'<a id="dsq-login-toggle" href="%(disqus_url)s%(login_url)s?next=article:%(thread_id)s" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false"><img class="dsq-login-icon" src="%(media_url)s/images/dsq-profile-btn.png" title="%(log_into)s" alt="%(log_into)s"/></a>',
								{login_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGIN, thread_id: Dsq.jsonData.thread.id, log_into: Dsq.Strings.LOG_INTO_DISQUS}
								),
							'&nbsp; ',
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ?
								'<div id="dsq-fbc-login" onlogin="DisqusFbcParentController.onLogin()" size="medium" background="light" length="short" style="display:inline; margin-right:7px"></div>' :
								''
							),
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
									'<div id="dsq-twitter-login" class="dsq-twitter-login" onclick="Dsq.Twitter.startTwitterConnect();" style="display:inline; cursor: pointer"><img src="%(media_url)s/images/twitter-signin-short.png" style="margin-right:7px" /></div>', {}) : ''),
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
									'<div id="dsq-openid-login" class="dsq-openid-login" onclick="Dsq.OpenID.requestURL();" style="display:inline; cursor:pointer;"><img src="%(media_url)s/images/openid-login-button.png"/></div>', {}
								) : '')
			]);
		}
		result = result.concat([
						'</div>', // dsq-login
					'</div>', // dsq-auth-header
					'<div id="dsq-authenticated" class="dsq-authenticated" ',
						Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated ? 'style="display:block"' : '',
						'>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-pic">',
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">' +
																			'<img class="dsq-post-avatar" src="%(avatar_url)s" alt="" /></a>',
																			{avatar_url: Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_AVATAR,
																			url: (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
																					 ? Dsq.jsonData.request.url
																					 : Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE) }),
						'</div>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-info">',
							'<ul>',
								'<li>',
									(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(
												Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">%(request_display_username)s</a>', {url:Dsq.jsonData.request.url})
										  )
										: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(
												Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(profile_url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">%(request_display_username)s</a>')
											)
									),
								'</li>',
								'<li class="logout">',
									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img class="dsq-login-icon" src="%(media_url)s/images/dsqicon12.png" alt="%(logged_in_as)s"/>&nbsp',
											{logged_in_as: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username)})
										: ''),

									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="%(logout_from_disqus)s">',
											{logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN, logout_from_disqus: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGOUT_FROM('DISQUS')})
										: ((Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == 'twitter')
												? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('using Twitter (<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="Logout">Logout</a>)',
												 {logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN})
												: ((Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == 'openid')
													 ? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('using OpenID (<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="Logout">Logout</a>)',
													 {logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN})
													 : ''
													)
											)
									),

									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote ? Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGOUT_FROM('<span class="logo-disqus">DISQUS</span>') : ''),
									'</a>',
								'</li>',
							'</ul>',
						'</div>',
					'</div>'
		]);
		if (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect) {
			result = result.concat([
					'<div id="dsq-fbc-authenticated" class="dsq-authenticated">',
						'<div id="dsq-fbc-profilepic" class="dsq-authenticated-pic" uid="loggedinuser" type="FB.XFBML.ProfilePic" size="square" facebook-logo="true"></div>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-info">',
							'<ul>',
								'<li>',
									'Logged in as <span id="dsq-fbc-name" uid="loggedinuser" type="FB.XFBML.Name" linked="true" useyou="false"></span>',
								'</li>',
								'<li class="logout">using Facebook Connect <a href="#" onclick="javascript:DisqusFbcParentController.logout();return false;">(Logout)</a></li>',
							'</ul>',
						'</div>',
					'</div>'
			]);
		}
		result = result.concat([
				'</div>', // dsq-auth
				'<div id="dsq-toolbar-items">',
				'</div>'
		]);
		result = result.concat([
					//
					//
					//
				((!Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post && !Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) ?
					// Needs to be translated:
					('<p id="dsq-no-anon-msg">Required: Please log into <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> ' +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ? 'or connect with Facebook ' : '') +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ? 'or sign in with Twitter ' : '') +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ? 'or sign in using OpenID ' : '') +
					Dsq.Utils.interpolate('to comment on <strong>%(forum_name)s</strong>.</p>')) :
					''
				),
				'<div id="dsq-post-add"></div>',
				'<div style="margin:10px 0">',
				((Dsq.jsonData.forum.use_media) ?
						'<a href="#" id="dsq-media-link" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, false, \'media\'); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.USE_MEDIA + ' <small>&#9660;</small></a>' :
						''),
				'</div>'
		]);
		return result.join('');
	};


	this.header = function() {

		var html = '\<h3 id="dsq-comments-count" class="dsq-h3-commentcount">\
	 <span id="dsq-num-posts">243</span> Comments\
	 &nbsp;\
	 <span class="dsq-item-feed">\
	 <a href="http://scobleizer.disqus.com/my_thoughts_about_zune_vs_ipod/latest.rss"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/bullet-feed.png"></a>\
	 </span>\
	 </h3>\
	 <div id="dsq-options" style="margin:15px 0">\
	 <span class="dsq-item-sort">\
	 Sort by\
	 <select id="dsq-sort-select" onchange="Dsq.Thread.sortBy(this.value);">\
	 <option value="hot" selected="selected">Popular now</option>\
	 <option value="best" >Best Rating</option>\
	 <option value="newest" >Newest first</option>\
	 <option value="oldest" >Oldest first</option>\
	 </select>\
	 &nbsp;\
	 </span>\
	 <span class="dsq-item-cp"><a href="http://scobleizer.disqus.com/my_thoughts_about_zune_vs_ipod/">Community Page</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>\
	 <span class="dsq-item-subscribe">\
	 <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/email.png" style="width:12px;height:12px;vertical-align:middle">\
	 <span id="dsq-subscribe">\
	 <a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">Subscribe by email</a>\
	 </span>\
	 </span>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-alerts">\
	 <p>Comments for this page are closed.</p>\
	 </div>\
		';

		

		
		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) { 
			html = ' \
			<div class="dsq-alert-message dsq-upgrade-message"> \
				<strong>Disqus upgrade available.</strong> Hi ' + Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username + ', this message is being displayed to you because you are a moderator of this site. <a href="#" onclick="Dsq.$(\'dsq-upgrade-message\').style.display=\'block\';this.style.display=\'none\';return false">Click here for details.</a> \
				<div style="display:none; margin-top:10px;" id="dsq-upgrade-message"> \
					A new theme is available with added features. <a href="http://disqus.com/comments/settings/' + Dsq.jsonData.forum.url + '/?p=customize">To change your theme, click here</a> and choose the theme Narcissus. \
					If you do not upgrade, you are missing out on features such as: real-time commenting, new sign-in integrations, and an upgrade interface. \
					<strong>This message will automatically go away in one week.</strong> \
				</div> \
			</div> \
			' + html; 
		}
		return html;
	};

	this.footer = function() {
		var html = Dsq.Templates.pagination();

		
			html += Dsq.Templates.authPost();
		

		html += Dsq.Templates.reactions();

		
			html += Dsq.Templates.trackbacks();
		

		return html;
	};

	this.pagination = function() {
		var html = '';
		
		if (Dsq.$('dsq-pagination')) { Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML = ''; }
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.thread.paginate) { return ''; }

		//
		// TODO: num_paginator still uses the template tag for pagination, 
		// 		while append_paginator does it all in JavaScript.
		//		This should all be in JavaScript.
		//

		if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_pages > 1 && Dsq.jsonData.request.page < Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_pages) {
			html = ' \<a class="dsq-paginate-append-text" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.paginate(Dsq.jsonData.request.page + 1, this); return false">Show more comments...</a>\
	 <button type="button" class="dsq-button-small dsq-paginate-append-button" onclick="Dsq.Thread.paginate(Dsq.jsonData.request.page + 1, this);">Load more comments</button>\
			';
		}
		
		if (Dsq.$('dsq-pagination')) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML = html;
			return '';
		} else {
			return '<div id="dsq-pagination" class="dsq-pagination">' + html + '</div>';
		}
	};

	this.trackbacks = function() {
		var html = '';

		if(typeof DsqLocal != 'undefined' && DsqLocal.trackback_url && DsqLocal.trackbacks) {
			var trackbacks = DsqLocal.trackbacks;
			var trackback_url = DsqLocal.trackback_url;
		} else {
			var trackbacks = [
			
			
			];
			var trackback_url = 'http://scobleizer.disqus.com/my_thoughts_about_zune_vs_ipod/trackback/';
		}

		html += '<div class="dsq-item-trackback">Trackback URL&nbsp;&nbsp;<input class="dsq-trackback-url" onclick="this.select()" readonly="true" value="' + trackback_url + '"></div>';

		if(trackbacks.length) {
			html += '<ul id="dsq-references">'
			for(var i = 0; i < trackbacks.length; i++) {
				var trackback = trackbacks[i];
				html += '<li><cite><a href="' + trackback.author_url + '" rel="nofollow">' + trackback.author_name + '</a></cite> \
						<p class="dsq-meta">' + trackback.date + '</p> \
						<p class="dsq-content">' + trackback.excerpt + '</p></li>';
			}
			html += '</ul>';
			html = '<h3 class="dsq-h3-trackbacks">Trackbacks</h3>' + html;
		}

		return html;
	}

	this.showRetweets = function(id, limit, element_id /* Optional */) {
		var source, html = '';

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			if (reaction.id === id) {
				source = reaction.retweets;
			}
		}

		if (source) {
			if (limit === 0) {
				limit = source.length;
			}

			for (var j = 0; j < limit; j++) {
				var rt = source[j];
				html += '<a href="' + rt.url + '">' + rt.author_name + '</a>'	+ ((j === (limit - 1)) ? '.' : ', ');
			}
		}

		if (element_id === undefined) {
			return html;
		}

		var element = document.getElementById(element_id);
		element.innerHTML = html;
		return element;
	};

	this.showMoreReactions = function(reactions, has_more, start, limit) {
		var link = document.getElementById('dsq-show-more-reactions');
		var container = link.parentNode;
		container.removeChild(link);

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = reactions[i]; i++) {
			var el = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (el) {
				container.innerHTML += el;
			}
		}

		if (has_more) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = start;
			var l = limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			container.innerHTML += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions"><a href="#" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</a></li>';
		}
	};

	this.generateReactionHTML = function(reaction) {
		if (reaction.body === null || reaction.body == '') {
			return;
		}

		if (reaction.author_name === '') {
			reaction.author_name = '&nbsp;';
		}

		if (reaction.url === '') {
			reaction.url = reaction.get_service_url;
		}

		/* Reaction HTML begins */
		var item = '<li class="dsq-reaction" id="dsq-reaction-' + reaction.id + '">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-header">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-header-avatar">';

		if (reaction.author_url && reaction.author_url !== '') {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="' + reaction.author_url +'">';
		} else {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="#" onclick="return false;">';
		}

		if (reaction.avatar_url && reaction.avatar_url !== '') {
			item += '<img src="' + reaction.avatar_url + '"/>';
		} else {
			item += '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/noavatar32.png"/>';
		}

		var service_icon = (reaction.get_service_name == 'trackback' || reaction.get_service_name == 'pingback' ? 'rss' : reaction.get_service_name.replace(' ', ''));
		item += '<img class="dsq-service-icon" src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/reactions/services/' + service_icon + '.png"/>'
			+ '</a></div>'
			+ '<cite><span>' + reaction.author_name + '</span></cite>'
			+ '<span class="dsq-header-meta"><a class="dsq-header-time">' + reaction.date_created + '</a></span>'
			+ '</div><div class="dsq-reaction-body">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-message">' + reaction.body + '</div>'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-footer">From <a class="dsq-service-name" target="_blank" href="' + reaction.url + '">' + reaction.get_service_name + '</a> '
			+ 'via <a href="' + reaction.source_url + '">' + (reaction.source == 'backtype' ? 'BackType' : 'UberVU') + '</a>'
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator ? '&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;<a class="dsq-hide-reaction" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Reaction.hide(' + reaction.id + '); return false;">Hide</a>' : '') + '</div></div>';

		if(reaction.retweets) {
			var num_retweets = reaction.retweets.length;
			if (num_retweets > 0) {
				item += '<div class="dsq-reaction-retweets">';
				if (num_retweets == 1) {
					item += 'One more retweet from <a href="' + reaction.retweets[0].url + '">'  + reaction.retweets[0].author_name + '</a>';
				} else {
					item += (num_retweets + ' more retweets from ');

					item += '<span id="dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '">';
					var n_tweets = (num_retweets > 15) ? 15 : num_retweets;
					item += Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(reaction.id, n_tweets);

					if (n_tweets != num_retweets) {
						item += '</span> <a onclick="Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(' + reaction.id + ', 0, \'dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '\');'
							+ 'this.parentNode.removeChild(this); return false;" href="#">Show all</a>';
					}
				}
				item += '</div>';
			}
		}

		item += '</li>'; /* Reaction HTML ends */
		return item;
	};

	this.reactions = function() {
		var html, reaction;

		if (Dsq.jsonData.reactions === undefined || Dsq.jsonData.reactions.length === 0) {
			return '';
		}

		html = '';
		for (var i = 0; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			var item = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (item) {
				html += item;
			}
		}

		if (Dsq.jsonData.has_more_reactions) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_start;
			var l = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			html += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions"><a href="#" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</a></li>';
		}

		return '<h3 class="dsq-h3-reactions">Reactions</h3><ul id="dsq-reactions" class="dsq-reactions">' + html + '</ul>';
	};
	
	this.missingPermissions = function() {
		return '	<p>Comments for this page are closed.</p>\n';
	};

	//
	// Post
	//

	this.prependPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="comment-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.appendPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="dsq-comment-reply-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.postPrependHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(null, post_id);
			var html = '';
			var hiddenThreshold = 3; // Define # of services to show before stuffing them in hidden div

			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == hiddenThreshold
					? '<li id="dsq-drop-hidden-' + post_id +'" class="dsq-drop-hidden"><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-drop-services"> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank"> \
						<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>';
			}

			if(i >= hiddenThreshold) {
				html += '</ul></li> \
				<li id="dsq-drop-more-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-drop-more"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.dropProfileMore(this, '+ post_id + '); return false"><small>&#9660;</small></a></li> \
				';
			}
			return html;
		};

		return ' \
			<div class="dsq-header-avatar" id="dsq-header-avatar-' + post_id + '" onmouseover="Dsq.Post.dropProfile(' + post_id + ')"> \
				<a id="dsq-avatar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-avatar" href="' + userData.url + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">'
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.show_avatar
				? '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key].avatar + '" alt="" />'
				: '')
			+ '</a>'
			+ '</div> \
		';
	};

	this.postAppendHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];

		return ''
			+ (_meta.author_is_moderator
				? '<img class="dsq-mod-star" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/bullet-star.png" title="Moderator" alt="" />'
				: '')
			+ '<span class="dsq-header-meta"> \
				<a id="dsq-time-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-header-time" href="#comment-' + post_id + '" title="Permalink">' + _meta.date + '</a> \
			</span>';
	};

	this.preBody = function(post_id) {
		return '';
	}

	this.postBody = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: Deprecate flagging conditional
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		return ''
			+ (_meta.edited
				? '<p class="dsq-editedtxt">(Edited by a moderator)</p>'
				: '')
			;
	};

	this.postFooter = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: Use media should be conditional
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		if(_meta.killed) { return ''; }

		return ' \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer" id="dsq-comment-footer-' + post_id + '"> \
				<div id="dsq-points-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-likedtxt">'
				+ (_meta.points
					? _meta.points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(_meta.points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this comment.'
					: '')
				+ '</div>'
				+ '<ul class="dsq-comment-options dsq-list-style">'
				+ (_meta.votable
					? '<li class="dsq-list-first dsq-rate" id="dsq-rate-cont-' + post_id + '">'
					+ (!_meta.up_voted
						? '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.rate(this, ' + post_id + ', 1); return false;">Like</a>'
						: 'You liked this.') + '</li>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-report' + (!_meta.votable ? ' dsq-list-first' : '') + '" id="dsq-post-report-' + post_id + '"><a href="#" class="dsq-post-report" onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + post_id + ', false); return false;">Report</a></li> \
				</ul> \
				<ul class="dsq-list-style">'
				+ (_meta.can_reply
					? '<li class="dsq-list-first"><a href="#" id="dsq-reply-link-' + post_id +'" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleReply(this, ' + post_id +'); return false;">Reply</a></li>'
					: '')
				+ (_meta.can_reply && !_meta.has_replies && _meta.from_request_user
					? '<li id="dsq-edit-el-' + post_id + '"><a id="dsq-edit-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); return false;">Edit</a></li>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="' + (!_meta.can_reply ? 'dsq-list-first' : '') + '" id="dsq-more-el-' + post_id + '"><a id="dsq-more-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, ' + post_id + ', \'more\'); return false">More <small>&#9660;</small></a></li>'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.use_media
					? '<li id="dsq-media-el-' + post_id +'" style="display:none"><a id="dsq-media-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, ' + post_id + ', \'media\'); return false">Use Media <small>&#9660;</small></a></li>'
					: '')
				+ '</ul>'
				+ '<div id="dsq-reply-bar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar" style="display:none"> \
						<div id="dsq-reply-bar-items-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar-items"> \
						</div> \
						<div id="dsq-reply-bar-auth-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar-auth"> \
							 \
								 \
								 	<a href="#" class="dsq-help dsq-reply-req-opt" title="You are commenting as a Guest. You may choose to log into an existing DISQUS Profile, your Facebook, Twitter or OpenID account to comment on Scobleizer" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Optional:</a> \
								 \
								<img class="dsq-login-icon" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/dsq-favicon-16x16.png" alt="" /> \
								<a id="dsq-reply-login-' + post_id + '" href="http://disqus.com/profile/login/?next=article:18353439" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false">Login</a> \
								 \
									&nbsp;or&nbsp; \
									<img class="fb_login_image" src="http://static.ak.fbcdn.net/images/fbconnect/login-buttons/connect_light_small_short.gif" alt="Facebook Connect"/> \
									<a href="#" onclick="FB.Connect.requireSession(DisqusFbcParentController.onLogin); return false;">Connect</a> \
								 \
								&nbsp;or&nbsp; \
									<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/twitter-signin-icon.png" alt="" /> \
									<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Twitter.startTwitterConnect(); return false">Sign-in</a> \
								 \
								 \
							 \
						</div> \
					</div> \
					<div id="dsq-reply-' + post_id + '"></div> \
			</div> \
		';
	};

	//
	// Iframes
	//

	this._makeAttributes = function(attributes) {
		// Makes a tag attributes string out of an object.
		// Caller is responsible for making sure nothing needs to be escaped.
		var result = [];
		for (key in attributes) {
			result.push(' ' + key + '="' + attributes[key] + '"');
		}
		result = result.join('');
		return result;
	};

	this._frameGeneric = function(base_url, params, attributes) {
		if(typeof(disqus_callback_params) == 'undefined') {
			disqus_callback_params = '';
		}

		var default_params = {
			// TODO: These should be moved to Dsq.jsonData.
			'f'				: 'scobleizer',
			't'				: 'my_thoughts_about_zune_vs_ipod',
			// Do we need encodeURIComponent here?
			'ifrs'			: encodeURIComponent(disqus_iframe_css),
			'to_redirect'	: encodeURIComponent(window.location),
			'cbp'			: disqus_callback_params,
			'ff'			: Dsq.Thread.ff,
			'fc'			: Dsq.Thread.fc,
			'ac'			: Dsq.Thread.ac,
			'default_text'	: disqus_default_text
		};

		base_url += '?' + (new Date()).getTime();
		// Add params to default_params.
		if(params) {
			for(var key in params) {
				if(params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
					default_params[key] = encodeURIComponent(params[key]);
				}
			}
		}
		// Build querystring.
		for(var key in default_params) {
			if(default_params[key] && default_params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				base_url += '&' + key + '=' + default_params[key];
			}
		}

		return [
			'<iframe marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" hspace="0" vspace="0" frameborder="0"',
			(' allowtransparency="true" src="' + base_url + '"'),
			this._makeAttributes(attributes),
			'</iframe>'].join('');
	};

	this.frameLogin = function(opt_attributes) {
		var params = {};
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/embed/login.html';
		var attributes = opt_attributes || {};
		attributes['class'] = 'dsq-post-login';

		if(typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
	};

	this.frameReply = function(post_id, extra_params, attributes) {
		// Returns the HTML for a reply iframe. Called by Dsq.Iframes.setReplyIframeToContainer
		var _meta = (typeof post_id != 'undefined') ? Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] : false;
		var base_url = Dsq.Urls.REPLY;
		var params = {
			'def_email'		: disqus_def_email,
			'def_name'		: disqus_def_name
		};
		if(extra_params) {
			for(var key in extra_params) {
				if(extra_params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
					params[key] = extra_params[key];
				}
			}
		}
		if(_meta) {
			params['parent_post'] = post_id;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined') {
			params['per_page'] = disqus_per_page;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
			attributes['class'] += '-authenticated';
		}
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
	};

	this.frameEdit = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = (typeof post_id != 'undefined') ? Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] : false;
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/embed/edit.html';
		var params = {
			'p' : post_id
		};
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, {'class': 'dsq-post-edit', 'name': 'dsq-edit_' + post_id + '-frame'});
	};

	//
	// Menus
	//

	this.menuMore = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: "Remove post" button should hide menu.
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		return ' \
			<li><a href="#comment-' + post_id + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.permalink(' + post_id + ')">Link</a></li> \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">Profile</a></li>'
	+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator
		? '	<li class="dsq-menu-sep"></li>' + (_meta.email ? '<li class="dsq-admin-email">' + _meta.email + '</li>' : '')
		+ '	<li class="dsq-admin-ip">' + _meta.ip + '</li> \
			<li class="dsq-menu-sep"></li>'
		+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.moderator_can_edit
			? ' <li class="dsq-admin-edit"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); return false;">Edit Comment</a></li>'
			: '')
		+ ' <li class="dsq-remove"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.removePost(' + post_id + ', 1); return false;">Remove Comment</a></li> \
			<li class="dsq-report-spam"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.reportSpam(' + post_id + '); return false;">Mark Spam</a></li> \
			<li class="dsq-block-user"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.blacklist(' + post_id + '); return false">Block User</a></li>'
		: '');
	};

	this.menuMedia = function(post_id) {
		return ' \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleMediaReply(this, ' + post_id + ', \'seesmic\'); return false;">Record video</a></li> \
		';
	};

	this.dropProfile = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(null, post_id);
			var html = '';
			var hiddenThreshold = 3; // Define # of services to show before stuffing them in hidden div

			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == hiddenThreshold
					? '<li id="dsq-drop-hidden-' + post_id +'" class="dsq-drop-hidden"><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-drop-services"> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank"> \
						<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>';
			}

			if(i >= hiddenThreshold) {
				html += '</ul></li> \
				<li id="dsq-drop-more-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-drop-more"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.dropProfileMore(this, '+ post_id + '); return false"><small>&#9660;</small></a></li> \
				';
			}
			return html;
		};


		var menu = '<li class="dsq-drop-showlnk"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">Expand &#8663;</a></li>';
		var pointsMessage = '';
		if (userData['registered']) {
			pointsMessage = 'with ' + userData['points'] + ' points (more points are better).';
		}

		if (userData['is_remote']) {
			var domain = userData['remote_domain_name'];
			menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' is a ' + domain + ' user ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
			menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-' + domain.toLowerCase() + '">' + domain + '</span></li>';
		} else if (userData['registered']) {
			if (userData['verified']) {
				menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has a verified commenter profile ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
				menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span></li>';
			} else {
				menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has a registered, but unverified, commenter profile ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
				menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span></li>';
			}
		} else {
			menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has not claimed this commenter profile." onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()"><span class="dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span></li>';
		}

		menu += _includeServices();
		return menu;
	};

	//
	// Popups
	//

	this._popupGeneric = function(content) {
		return ' \
		<div class="dsq-popup-content"> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-top"></div> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-body" class="clearfix"> \
				<div class="dsq-popup-body-padding"> \
					<div class="dsq-popup-header"> \
						<a class="dsq-close-link" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/modal-close.png" alt="" /></a>'
						+ content['header']
					+ '</div>'
					+ content['body']
					+ '<div class="powered-by"><a href="http://disqus.com/comments/">Powered by <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-logo.png" alt="Disqus Comments" style="margin-bottom:-5px" /></a></div> \
				</div> <!-- padding --> \
			</div> <!-- body --> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-bottom"></div> \
		</div> \
		';
	};

	this.popupProfile = function(user_key) {
		var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(user_key, null);
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][user_key];
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var html = '';
			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == 0
					? '<h4>Connections</h4><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li> \
					<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" title="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" /> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>'
				+ (i+1 == userServices.length ? '</ul>' : '');
			}
			return html;
		};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<table> \
				<tr> \
					<td> \
						<a class="dsq-profile-userurl" href="' + userData.url + '"><img class="dsq-popup-profile-avatar" src="' + userData['avatar'] + '" alt="" /></a> \
					</td> \
					<td> \
						<div class="dsq-popup-profile-user"> \
							<h3>' + userData['display_name'] + '</h3> \
							<div class="dsq-popup-profile-user-stats" id="dsq-popup-profile-user-stats-' + user_key + '">Loading...</div> \
						</div> \
					</td> \
				</tr> \
			</table> \
		';

		bodyHtml = ' \
			<div class="dsq-popup-profile-state"> \
				This is a&nbsp;<span class="'
					+ (userData['registered']
						? (userData['verified']
							? ' dsq-badge-verified'
							: (userData['is_remote']
								? ' dsq-badge-' + userData['remote_domain_name'].toLowerCase()
								: ' dsq-badge-registered')
							)
							: ' dsq-badge-guest') + '">'
			+ (userData['registered']
				? (userData['verified']
					? 'Verified'
					: (userData['is_remote']
						 ? userData['remote_domain_name']
						 : 'Registered')
					)
				: 'Guest')
			+ '</span>&nbsp;commenter profile.'
			+ '&nbsp;<a class="dsq-profile-userurl" href="' + userData.url + '"><strong>View more comments </strong></a>'
			+ (!userData['points']
				? '<p class="dsq-popup-notice">If this is you, <a href="http://disqus.com/profile" target="_blank">claim it now</a> to manage your comments.</p>'
				: '')
			+ ((userData['registered'] && !userData['verified'] && (Dsq.jsonData.request.username && (Dsq.jsonData.request.username == userData['username'])) && !userData['is_remote'])
				? '<p class="dsq-popup-notice"><strong>Alert</strong>: You have not verified this account. <a href="http://disqus.com/verify">Verify it now.</a></p>'
				: '')
			+ '</div> \
			<div id="dsq-profile-status-' + user_key + '" class="dsq-popup-profile-status" style="display:none"></div> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-profile-snapshot"> \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td> \
							<div id="dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-wrapper-' + user_key + '"> \
								<h4>Most active sites</h4> \
								<ul id="dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + user_key + '"> \
									<li>Loading...</li> \
								</ul> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
						<td>'
							+ _includeServices()
							+ '<div id="dsq-popup-profile-moderated-wrapper-' + user_key + '"> \
								<h4>Moderator of</h4> \
								<ul id="dsq-popup-profile-moderated-' + user_key + '"> \
									<li>Loading...</li> \
								</ul> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
					</tr> \
				</table> \
			</div> \
			';

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.popupReblog = function() {
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<cite><span>Reblog this comment</span></cite> \
		';

		bodyHtml = ' \
			<div id="dsq-reblog-form" class="dsq-reblog-form"> \
			</div> \
		';

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.popupModal = function(title, message) {
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<h3>' + title + '</h3> \
		';

		bodyHtml = message;

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.alertContent = function(name, post_id) {
		var alert = {
			'post_not_approved': {
				'title': 'Comment awaiting approval by a moderator',
				'message': 'Thanks for posting. Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.'
			},
			'post_has_profile': {
				'title': 'Use your existing commenter profile',
				'message': 'You have just posted your commment as a <span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span>, but you may already have a <span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span> commenter profile.<br /><br /><a href="http://disqus.com/claim">Log in and claim this comment!</a>'
			}
		};
		return alert[name] || false;
	};

	//
	// Actions
	//

	this.voted = function(post_id, points, vote) {
		// Update number of points
		Dsq.$('dsq-points-' + post_id).innerHTML = points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this comment.';

		// Update link text
		if(vote) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-rate-cont-' + post_id).innerHTML = 'You liked this.';
		}
	};

	this.subscribed = function(status) {
		var title, message;

		if(status) {
			title = 'Subscribed!';
			message = 'You have subscribed to this comment thread. New comments will be sent directly to your email inbox, where you may read and respond by email.';
			Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe').innerHTML = ' \
				<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(0); return false">Unsubscribe</a> \
			';
		} else {
			title = 'Unsubscribed';
			message = 'You have unsubscribed to this comment thread. New comments will no longer be sent to your email inbox.';
			Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe').innerHTML = ' \
				<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">Subscribe by email</a> \
			';
		}

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);

	};
	
	this.highlighted = function() {
		Dsq.Popup.popModal('This comment has been highlighted.', 'Highlighted comment');
	};

	//
	// Media
	//

	this.mediaSeesmic = function(id, thumb) {
		return ' \
			<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_preview" class="dsq-seesmic-preview"><a href="http://www.seesmic.com/video/' + id + '" target="_blank" class="see_link">&nbsp;</a> \
				<div style="display:block;width:160px; height:120px; border:none; background-image:url(http://t.seesmic.com/thumbnail/' + thumb + ')"> \
					<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_hide" class="seePlayOverlay" style="display:none;"><img onclick="see_play_video(\'' + id + '\',false)" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/seesmic/stopOverlay.png" width="50" height="50" style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand; padding-top: 30px; padding-left: 50px" alt="" /></div> \
					<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_show" class="seePlayOverlay"><img onclick="see_play_video(\'' + id + '\',true)" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/seesmic/playOverlay.png" width="50" height="50" style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand; border:none; padding-top: 30px; padding-left: 50px" alt="" /></div> \
				</div> \
			</div> \
			<div id="' + id + '_content" style="display:block; width:100%; padding-top:5px"></div> \
		';
	};

	//
	// Callbacks
	//

	this.postComment_onSuccess = function(parent_post_id) {
		// Increment post count
		var num_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-num-posts');
		var total_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-total-posts');
		
		if (num_posts) { 
			num_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(num_posts.innerHTML) + 1;
		}
		if (total_posts) { 
			total_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(total_posts.innerHTML) + 1;
		}
	};
};
// Dsq.Templates


/**
 * Dsq.Post
 */
Dsq.Post = new function() {
	this.openedMenu = {};
	this.menuEventListener = null;
	this.stateReplyToggled = {};
	this.stateEditToggled = {};
	this.stateRecordLink = {};

	/**
	 * Inserts a new post into the document.
	 *
	 * @param after_id {Number}	Insert a post before specified id.  If after_id
	 *							evaluates to false, then post in the front.  If
	 *							after_id is -1, post at the end.
	 */
	this.insert = function(after_id, id, message, author) {
		// Skeleton template from thread_posts.html.
		var skeleton = ' \
			<li id="dsq-comment-%(id)s"> \
				<div id="dsq-comment-header-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-header"> \
					<cite id="dsq-cite-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-cite"> \
						<a id="dsq-author-user-%(id)s" href="%(author_url)s" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">%(author_name)s</a> \
					</cite> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-comment-body-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-body"> \
					<div id="dsq-comment-message-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-message">%(message)s</div> \
				</div> \
			</li> \
		';
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
		var _user_meta = Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key];
		var markup = Dsq.Utils.interpolate(skeleton, {
			id: id,
			message: message,
			author_url: _user_meta.blog,
			author_name: _user_meta.display_name
		});
		var div = document.createElement('div');
		markup = markup.replace(Dsq.COMMENTS_RE, Dsq.CommentsHandler);
		div.innerHTML = markup;

		if (after_id === -1) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-comments').appendChild(div);
		} else if (!after_id) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-comments').insertBefore(div, Dsq.$('dsq-comments').firstChild);
		} else if (Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + after_id)) {
			// Get next node after "after_id", so we can insert before it.
			// If "after_id" is the last comment, the target node is the
			// last node.
			
			// var append_post_id = Dsq.Templates.appendPost(after_id).replace('<div id="','').replace('"></div>', '');
			var append_post_id = 'dsq-append-post-' + after_id;
			var node = Dsq.$(append_post_id);
			while (node = node.nextSibling) {
				if (!node || node.nodeType == 1) { // 1 == Node.ELEMENT_NODE
					break;
				}
			}
			if (!node) {
				node = Dsq.$(append_post_id);
			}
			node.parentNode.insertBefore(div, node);
		}
	};

	this.incrementPostCount = function() {
		
		var num_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-num-posts');
		var total_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-total-posts');

		if (num_posts) {
			num_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(num_posts.innerHTML, 10) + 1;
		}
		if (total_posts) {
			total_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(total_posts.innerHTML, 10) + 1;
		}
	}
	
	this.outlineComment = function(post_id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className += ' dsq-comment-outline';
		setTimeout("(function () { Dsq.Post.clearOutlineComment(" + post_id + ") })()", 3000);
	};
	
	this.clearOutlineComment = function(post_id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className.replace('dsq-comment-outline', '');
	};

	this.showMenu = function(el, id, name) {
		var anchorPos = Dsq.Utils.findPos(el);
		var menu = document.createElement('ul');

		if(this.openedMenu) {
			if(this.openedMenu.linkClicked) {
				this.openedMenu.linkClicked = false;
				return;
			}
		}

		switch(name) {
			case 'more':
				menu.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.menuMore(id);
				break;
			case 'media':
				menu.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.menuMedia(id);
				break;
			default:
				break;
		}

		// Add menu to document body
		menu.id = 'dsq-menu-' + id;
		menu.className = 'dsq-menu';
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(menu);

		// Position and show
		anchorPos[1] += 15;
		menu.style.left = anchorPos[0] + 'px';
		menu.style.top = anchorPos[1] + 'px';
		menu.style.display = 'block';

		// Set global reference
		this.openedMenu = {
			'el' : menu,
			'id' : id,
			'name' : name,
			'linkClicked' : false
		};

		// Set listener
		this.menuEventListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', this._hideMenu);
	};

	this._hideMenu = function(e) {
		var el = e.target || e.srcElement;
		var openedMenu = Dsq.Post.openedMenu.el;
		var id = Dsq.Post.openedMenu.id;

		if(!id) {
			var link = 'dsq-' + Dsq.Post.openedMenu.name + '-link';
		} else {
			var link = 'dsq-' + Dsq.Post.openedMenu.name + '-link-' + id;
		}

		if(!openedMenu) {
			return;
		}

		if(!Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, openedMenu.id)) {
			openedMenu.style.display = 'none';
			Dsq.Utils.removeEventListener(Dsq.Post.menuEventListener);
			Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(openedMenu);

		} else {
			// Hide the menu if a link was clicked inside the menu.  We can't
			// completely remove the menu until the onclick event on the link
			// fires, but the menuEventListener will prevent multiple menus
			// from polluting the DOM.
			if(el && typeof el.href != 'undefined') {
				openedMenu.style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.Post.openedMenu.el = null;
			}
		}

		if(Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, link)) {
 			Dsq.Post.openedMenu.linkClicked = true;
		}
	};


	this.getUserServices = function(user_key, id) {
		if(!user_key && id) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
			user_key = _meta.user_key;
		}
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][user_key];
		var userServices = [];

		// Keep a full list of supported services. This is the order they will display in the drop-profile.
		// Each service must have a corresponding case in _buildServiceUrl()
		var supportedServices = ['blog', 'twitter', 'facebook', 'tumblr'];

		function _buildServiceUrl(serviceName) {
			var data = userData[serviceName];
			var services = {
				blog:		function(d) { return d; },
				twitter:	function(d) { return d; },
				facebook:	function(d) { return d; },
				tumblr:		function(d) { return 'http://' + d + '.tumblr.com'; }
			};
			return services[serviceName](data);
		}

		for(var i = 0; i < supportedServices.length; i++) {
			if(userData[supportedServices[i]]) {
				var serviceUrl = _buildServiceUrl(supportedServices[i]);
				userServices.push({'name' : supportedServices[i], 'url' : serviceUrl});
			}
		}
		return userServices;
	}

	this.dropProfile = function(id) {
		var dp = Dsq.$('dsq-drop-profile-' + id);

		// IE6 needs JS to display/hide. All other browsers use CSS.
		if(dp) {
			if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) dp.style.display = (dp.style.display == 'inline') ? 'none' : 'inline';
			return false;
		} else {
			dp = document.createElement('ul');
		}

		dp.id = 'dsq-drop-profile-' + id;
		dp.className = 'dsq-drop-profile';

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) { dp.style.display = 'inline'; }

		var container = Dsq.$('dsq-header-avatar-' + id);
		dp.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.dropProfile(id);
		container.appendChild(dp);
	};

	this.dropProfileMore = function(el, id) {
		var hiddenItems = Dsq.$('dsq-drop-hidden-' + id);

		hiddenItems.style.display = 'inline';
		el.parentNode.style.display = 'none';
	};

	this._updateReplyLinks = function(el, id) {
		// Update "reply / cancel" links based on state.
		var displayDict = {};

		if(id) {
			if(this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				el.innerHTML = 'Cancel';
				displayDict['media'] = 'inline';
				displayDict['edit'] = 'none';
			} else {
				el.innerHTML = 'Reply';
				displayDict['media'] = 'none';
				displayDict['edit'] = 'inline';
			}
		}

		for(var key in displayDict) {
			if(displayDict.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				var	linkEl = Dsq.$('dsq-' + key + '-el-' + id),
					spacer = Dsq.$('dsq-' + key + '-spacer-' + id);

				if(linkEl) {
					linkEl.style.display = displayDict[key];
					if(spacer) spacer.style.display = displayDict[key];
				}
			}
		}
	};

	this._updateMediaLinks = function(el, id) {
		// Update "use media / cancel" links based on state.
		var appendId = (id) ? ('-' + id) : '';
		var link = Dsq.$('dsq-media-link' + appendId);

		if(this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
			link.innerHTML = 'Cancel Media';
			link.onclick = function() { Dsq.Post.toggleMediaReply(link, id); return false; };
		} else {
			link.innerHTML = 'Use Media <small>&#9660;</small>';
			link.onclick = function() { Dsq.Post.showMenu(link, id, 'media'); return false; };
		}
	};

	this.toggleReply = function(el, id) {
		// Create reply IFrame
		if (window.disqus_use_postmessage) {
			if (!this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				// Create IFrame if it doesn't exist.
				if (!Dsq.frames['reply_' + id]) {
					var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id] = new Dsq.ReplyFrame(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-frame-' + id), id);
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id].init();
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id].setState(id, _meta.depth);
				}
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id).style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'none';
			}
		} else {
			// DEPRECATED
			if(!this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				// Reply toolbar
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id), id);
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.Iframes.hideAllInContainer(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id));
				if(this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
					// HACK: Cancel media before canceling self.
					this.toggleMediaReply(Dsq.$('dsq-media-link-' + id), id);
				}
			}
		}

		this.stateReplyToggled[id] = !this.stateReplyToggled[id];
		this._updateReplyLinks(el, id);

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE('dsq-reply-' + id); }

		Dsq.Events.fire(Dsq.Events.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED, {
			postId: id,
			opened: this.stateReplyToggled[id]
		});
	};

	this.toggleMediaReply = function(el, id, xtype) {
		id = id || 0;
		if(id) {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-post-add');
		}

		if(!this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
			Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, id, {xtype:xtype}, 'dsq-post-video');
		} else {
			Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, id);
		}
		this.stateRecordLink[id] = !this.stateRecordLink[id];
		this._updateMediaLinks(el, id);

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(); }
	};

	this.edit = function(el, id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + id).innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.frameEdit(id);
		el.parentNode.style.display = 'none';
		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE('dsq-comment-message-' + id); }
	};

    this.rate = function(el, id, vote) {
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_votes) {
			if(vote == 1) {
                Dsq.$('dsq-rate-cont-' + id).innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
            }

            Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/vote.js'
                + '?post_id='    + id
                + '&vote='        + vote);

		} else {
			Dsq.Popup.login(Dsq.Strings.TO_RATE_PLEASE_LOG_IN);
		}
    };

	this.report = function(id, confirmed) {
		if(confirmed) {
			Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/my_thoughts_about_zune_vs_ipod/post_report/', {'post_id': id});
			Dsq.Popup.popModal('Thank you. This comment has been flagged for moderator attention.', 'Successfully flagged');
			Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(Dsq.$('dsq-post-report-' + id));
		} else {
			var title = Dsq.Strings.FLAG_INAPPROPRIATE_COMMENT;
			var message = Dsq.Strings.ARE_YOU_SURE_YOU_WOULD_LIKE_TO_REPORT_THIS_COMMENT_TO_A_MODERATOR + '? \
			<br /><br /> \
			<button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true)"><strong>' + Dsq.Strings.NO + '</strong>, ' + Dsq.Strings.NEVER_MIND + '</button>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + id + ', true);"><strong>' + Dsq.Strings.YES + '</strong>, ' + Dsq.Strings.FLAG_INAPPROPRIATE_COMMENT + '</button><br /><br />'
			+ Dsq.Strings.THIS_WILL_FLAG_COMMENTS_FOR_MODERATORS_TO_TAKE_ACTION + '. \
			';

			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title, id);
		}
	};



	this.showAlert = function(id, msg) {
		var msgEl = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + id);
		var alert = '<div class="dsq-comment-alert">' + msg + '</div>';

		msgEl.innerHTML = alert + msgEl.innerHTML;
	};

};
// Dsq.Post


/**
 * Dsq.Thread
 */
Dsq.Thread = new function() {
	this.fc = null;
	this.ff = null;
	this.ac = null;

	
	this.adminIsOn = false;

	
	
	

	this.hlComment = null;
	this.hlCommentClass = null;

	this.getNextComment = function(el) {
		var start_id = el.id;
		while(el = el.nextSibling) {
			if(el.id && el.id.indexOf('dsq-comment-') != -1 && el.id != start_id) {
				return el;
			}
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.getActiveCommentId = function() {
		if (document.URL.indexOf('#comment-') >= 0) {
			var anchor = document.URL.slice(document.URL.indexOf('#') + 1);
			return anchor.replace('comment-', '');
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.highlightAnchor = function() {
		var i = this.getActiveCommentId();
		if (i == null) return false;
		var id = 'dsq-comment-' + i;
		var hash = window.location.hash;

		// Toggle the hash incase the comment isn't available when the page loads
		// for WebKit-based browsers.
		if (Dsq.Utils.webkit) {
			window.location.hash = '';
			window.location.hash = hash;
		}

		this.hlComment = Dsq.$(id);
		// Adding this conditional guard pending #289
		if (!this.hlComment) {
			return;
		}
		this.hlCommentClass = this.hlComment.className;
		this.hlComment.className += ' dsq-hl-anchor';

		setTimeout("Dsq.Thread.highlightClear()", 3000);
	};

	this.highlightClear = function() {
		if (!this.hlComment) {
			return;
		}
		this.hlComment.className = this.hlCommentClass;
	};

	this.login = function(toggle) {
		// toggle id is #dsq-reply-login-[id]
		var postId;
		if(toggle.id.indexOf('dsq-reply-login') != -1) {
			postId = toggle.id.slice(16);
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + postId);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-post-add');
		}

		if(toggle) {
			if(toggle.className == 'dsq-login-active') {
				Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed(container, postId);
				toggle.className = '';
			} else {
				Dsq.Iframes.showLoginIframeInContainer(container, postId);
				toggle.className = 'dsq-login-active';
			}
		} else {
			Dsq.Iframes.showLoginIframeInContainer(container, postId);
		}

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(); }
	};


	this.paginate = function(page, el_clicked, per_page) {
		// Use extra_params to pass any override parameters that we need to persist.
		var extra_params = '';

		// "Per page" can either be overriden by providing it as an argument
		// (per-call) or setting the disqus_per_page override variable (global).
		if(typeof per_page == 'undefined') {
			per_page = null;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined' && per_page === null) {
			per_page = disqus_per_page;
		}

		if(typeof disqus_sort != 'undefined') {
			extra_params += '&sort=' + disqus_sort;
		}
		if(per_page !== null) {
			extra_params += '&per_page=' + per_page;
		}

		Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML += '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
		
		if(el_clicked) {
			el_clicked.style.display = 'none';
		}
		
		Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'my_thoughts_about_zune_vs_ipod'
			+ '&p='		+ page
			+ extra_params);
	};

	this.sortBy = function(sort) {
		var disqus_script = document.createElement('script');
		var disqus_date = new Date();

		if (location.hash != '') {
			location.hash = '#disqus_thread';
		}

		if(typeof(disqus_url) == 'undefined') {
			disqus_url = disqus_href;
		}
		disqus_script.type = 'text/javascript';
		disqus_script.src = 'http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'my_thoughts_about_zune_vs_ipod'
			+ '&sort='	+ sort
			+ '&title='
			+ '&'		+ disqus_date.getTime();

		Dsq.$('dsq-comments').innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading.gif">';
		Dsq.container.appendChild(disqus_script);
	};

	this.subscribe = function(status, email) {
		// `status` is an int -- 1 to subscribe, 0 to unsubscribe
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || email) {
			// If authenticated user OR anonymous email provided

			if(email) {
				Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);
			}

			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/subscribe.js'
				+'?status=' 	+ status
				+ '&slug='		+ 'my_thoughts_about_zune_vs_ipod'
				+ '&email=' 	+ encodeURIComponent(email));

		} else if(!email) {
			// If anonymous user and no email has been provided yet, prompt for email

			var title = 'Subscribe to this comment thread';
			var message = ' \
				New comments will be sent directly to your email inbox! \
				<div class="dsq-subscribe-submit"> \
					<p><strong>Enter your email address below.</strong></p> \
					<input type="text" id="dsq-subscribe-email"> \
					<button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1, Dsq.$(\'dsq-subscribe-email\').value)">Subscribe</button> \
				</div> \
			';

			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
		}
	};

	this.showSettings = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) {
			return;
		}

		/* The form has to be re-designed when more options will come out. */
		var html = 'Automatically close comments after <input size="3" id="dsq-thread-days-alive" value="' + Dsq.jsonData.thread.days_alive + '" type="text" /> days. Existing comments will still be displayed.<br /><br />(Using 0 days will disable this feature)<br /><br />'
								 + '<button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Thread.updateDaysAlive();" class="dsq-button-small"><span>Save</span></button>'
								 + '<span id="dsq-thread-settings-status" class="dsq-options-status"></span>';

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(html, 'Settings');
	};

  this.showModeratorActions = function() {
      if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) {
          return;
      }

      var html = '<div class="dsq-moderate-options"><table><tr>' +
                 '<td>' + Dsq.Strings.ACTIONS + '</td><td><ul>';
      html += '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.toggleClosed(); return false;">' +
              (Dsq.jsonData.thread.closed ? Dsq.Strings.OPEN_THREAD : Dsq.Strings.CLOSE_THREAD) +
              '</a></li>';
      html += '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.toggleKilled(); return false;">' +
              (Dsq.jsonData.thread.killed ? Dsq.Strings.RESTORE_THREAD : Dsq.Strings.REMOVE_THREAD) +
              '</a></li>';
      html += '</ul></td></tr></table></div>' +
              '<p>Go to the full <a href="http://disqus.com/comments/moderate-threads/" target="_blank">moderate panel</a> for more options.</p>';
      Dsq.Popup.popModal(html, Dsq.Strings.MODERATE_OPTIONS);
  };

	this.updateDaysAlive = function() {
		  var days = Dsq.$('dsq-thread-days-alive').value;
		  var status = Dsq.$('dsq-thread-settings-status');
		  Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/update_days_alive.js', {days:days,thread:Dsq.jsonData.thread.id});
		  status.innerHTML = 'Saved!';
		  window.setTimeout(function() { status.innerHTML = ''; }, 1000);
	};

  this.toggleClosed = function() {
      Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/toggle_thread_closed.js', {thread:Dsq.jsonData.thread.id});
      window.setTimeout(function() { window.location.reload(); }, 500);
  };

  this.toggleKilled = function() {
      Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/toggle_thread_killed.js', {thread:Dsq.jsonData.thread.id});
      window.setTimeout(function() { window.location.reload(); }, 500);
  };
};
// Dsq.Thread

Dsq.Events = function() {
	var obj = {};

	// Private
	var handlers = {};
	var getHandlers = function(event) {
		if (handlers[event] === undefined) {
			handlers[event] = [];
		}
		return handlers[event];
	};

	// Public
	// Value keys : postId, node, xtype
	obj.REPLY_IFRAME_CREATED = 1;
	// Value keys : postId, opened
	obj.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED = 2;
	obj.fire = function(event, opt_value) {
		if (!event) {
			throw new Error('Unknown event');
		}
		var value = opt_value || {};
		for (var i=0; i<getHandlers(event).length; i++) {
			getHandlers(event)[i](value);
		}
	};
	obj.addHandler = function(event, callback) {
		getHandlers(event).push(callback);
	};

	return obj;
}();

/**
 * Dsq.Realtime
 */
Dsq.Realtime = new function() {
	var initialized = false;
	var interval = null;
	var last_checked = Dsq.jsonData.request.timestamp;
	var new_posts = [];
	var ongoing_request = false;
	var prev_script = null;

	function updateNewPostCount() {
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-alert').style.display = new_posts.length ? 'block' : 'none';

		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-queued').innerHTML = new_posts.length
		+ ' new '
		+ Dsq.Utils.pluralize(new_posts.length, 'comment', 'comments')
		+ Dsq.Utils.pluralize(new_posts.length, ' was', ' were')
		+ ' just posted.';

		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-show').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.SHOW + ')';
	}

	function insertNewPosts() {
		var post_id = null;
		var after_id = Dsq.$('dsq-sort-select').value === 'oldest' ? -1 : null;

		for (var i=0; i<new_posts.length; i++) {
			post_id = new_posts[i];
			Dsq.Post.insert(after_id, post_id, Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id].message);
			Dsq.Post.incrementPostCount();
			Dsq.Post.outlineComment(post_id);
		}
		new_posts = [];
	}

	this.enableInterval = function() {
		interval = setInterval(Dsq.Realtime.check, Dsq.jsonData.context.realtime_speed);
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-status').innerHTML = Dsq.Strings.ENABLED;
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.PAUSE + ')';
	}

	this.disableInterval = function() {
		if (interval) {
			clearInterval(interval);
			interval = null;
		}
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-status').innerHTML = Dsq.Strings.PAUSED;
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.RESUME + ')';
	}

	this.toggleInterval = function() {
		if (!interval) {
			Dsq.Realtime.enableInterval();
		} else {
			Dsq.Realtime.disableInterval();
		}
		return false;
	}

	this.initialize = function() {
		if (!initialized) {
			initialized = true;
			Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').onclick = this.toggleInterval;
			if (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-show').onclick = this.show;
				updateNewPostCount();
			}
			if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.realtime_paused) {
				Dsq.Realtime.disableInterval();
			} else {
				Dsq.Realtime.enableInterval();
			}
		}
	}

	this.show = function() {
		insertNewPosts();
		updateNewPostCount();
		return false;
	}

	this.check = function() {
		if (!ongoing_request && Dsq.jsonData.realtime_enabled) {
			if (prev_script) {
				prev_script.parentNode.removeChild(prev_script);
			}
			ongoing_request = true;
			prev_script = Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/18353439/realtime.js?timestamp=' + last_checked);
		}
	};

	this.update = function(timestamp, posts, users) {
		ongoing_request = false;
		last_checked = timestamp;

		if (users) {
			for (var user_id in users) {
				if (users.hasOwnProperty(user_id)) {
					if (!Dsq.jsonData.users[user_id]) {
						Dsq.jsonData.users[user_id] = users[user_id];
					}
				}
			}
		}

		if (posts) {
			for (var post_id in posts) {
				if (posts.hasOwnProperty(post_id)) {
					if (!Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id]) {
						Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] = posts[post_id];
						new_posts.push(post_id);
					}
				}
			}

			if (Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
				insertNewPosts();
			} else {
				updateNewPostCount();
			}
		}
	};

}();

// DEPRECATED
Dsq.Iframes = function() {
	// Different style of object from the above. Hoping to switch to this for some reason.
	var obj = {};

	// Private
	var showIframeInContainer = function(container, id, markup) {
		// Look through container for iframes, hiding them, except show one that matches id
		// If none of them matched id, create a new iframe using markup and insert it.
		// Returns the iframe node if and only if it was newly created.
		var found = false;
		for (var i=0; i<container.childNodes.length; i++) {
			var child = container.childNodes[i];
			if (child.nodeName == 'IFRAME') {
				if (child.id == id) {
					child.style.display = 'block';
					found = true;
				} else {
					child.style.display = 'none';
				}
			}
		}
		if (found) {
			return;
		}
		// The iframe wasn't found, so construct it and add it to the container.
		// Don't use innerHTML because it might reload iframes
		var div = document.createElement('div');
		div.innerHTML = markup;
		var iframe = div.childNodes[0];
		div.removeChild(iframe);
		container.appendChild(iframe);
		return iframe;
	};

	// Public
	obj.makeReplyIframeId = function(opt_postId, opt_xtype) {
		var id = 'dsq-post-add-iframe';
		if (opt_xtype) {
			id += '-' + opt_xtype;
		}
		if (opt_postId) {
			id += '-' + opt_postId;
		}
		return id;
	};
	obj.makeLoginIframeId = function(opt_postId) {
		if (!opt_postId) {
			return 'dsq-login-iframe';
		}
		return 'dsq-login-iframe-' + opt_postId;
	};
	obj.makeReplyIframeName = function(opt_postId, opt_xtype) {
		var name = 'dsq-reply-frame';
		if (opt_xtype) {
			name += '-' + opt_xtype;
		}
		if (opt_postId) {
			name += '-' + opt_postId;
		}
		return name;
	};
	obj.showReplyIframeInContainer = function(container, opt_postId, opt_extraParams, opt_className) {
		// Construct the id so we can check if it's already present.
		// Hide any other iframes we find, and show this one if it's found.
		var params = opt_extraParams || {};
		// use xtype in the id and name so we can distinguish media replies from text replies:
		var id = Dsq.Iframes.makeReplyIframeId(opt_postId, params.xtype);
		var name = Dsq.Iframes.makeReplyIframeName(opt_postId, params.xtype);
		var attributes = {
			'id': id,
			'name': name,
			'class': opt_className || 'dsq-post-reply'
			};
		var markup = Dsq.Templates.frameReply(opt_postId, opt_extraParams, attributes);
		var iframe = showIframeInContainer(container, id, markup);
		// It was newly created
		if (iframe) {
			Dsq.Events.fire(Dsq.Events.REPLY_IFRAME_CREATED, {
				postId: opt_postId,
				node: iframe,
				xtype: params.xtype
			});
		}
	};
	obj.showLoginIframeInContainer = function(container, opt_postId) {
		var id = Dsq.Iframes.makeLoginIframeId(opt_postId);
		var markup = Dsq.Templates.frameLogin({id: id});
		showIframeInContainer(container, id, markup);
	};
	obj.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed = function(container, opt_postId) {
		if (Dsq.jsonData.context.show_reply) {
			obj.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, opt_postId);
		} else {
			obj.hideAllInContainer(container);
		}
	};
	obj.hideAllInContainer = function(container) {
		for (var i=0; i<container.childNodes.length; i++) {
			var child = container.childNodes[i];
			if (child.nodeName == 'IFRAME') {
				child.style.display = 'none';
			}
		}
	};

	return obj;
}();

Dsq.Twitter = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.startTwitterConnect = function() {
		var popupParams = 'location=0,status=0,width=800,height=400';
		that._twitterWindow = window.open(Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/_ax/twitter/begin/', 'twitterWindow', popupParams);
		that._twitterInterval = window.setInterval(that.completeTwitterConnect, 1000);
	};

	this.completeTwitterConnect = function() {
		if (that._twitterWindow.closed) {
			window.clearInterval(that._twitterInterval);
			window.location.reload();
		}
	};
};

Dsq.Yahoo = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.startYahooConnect = function() {
		var popupParams = 'location=0,status=0,width=800,height=400';
		that._yahooWindow = window.open(Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/_ax/yahoo/begin/', 'yahooWindow', popupParams);
		that._yahooInterval = window.setInterval(that.completeYahooConnect, 1000);
	};

	this.completeYahooConnect = function() {
		if (that._yahooWindow.closed) {
			window.clearInterval(that._yahooInterval);
			window.location.reload();
		}
	};
};

Dsq.OpenID = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.requestURL = function() {
		var message = '<table class="dsq-openid-form"><tr><td style="vertical-align:top;" rowspan="2"><img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.media_url + '/images/openid-icon-100x100.png" /></td>';
		message += '<td><label for="dsq-openid-url">OpenID URL:</label></td><td><input type="text" id="dsq-openid-url" /></td></tr>';
		message += '<tr><td><label for="dsq-openid-username">Display name:</label></td><td><input type="text" id="dsq-openid-username" /></td></tr>';
		message += '<tr><td class="dsq-openid-submit" colspan="3"><input type="button" value="Sign in" onclick="Dsq.OpenID.startConnect();" /></td></tr>';
		message += "</table>";

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, 'Sign in using OpenID');
	};

	this.startConnect = function() {
		var isblank = function(str) {
			return /^\s*$/.test(str);
		};

		var openid_url = Dsq.$('dsq-openid-url').value;
		var username = Dsq.$('dsq-openid-username').value;

		if (isblank(openid_url)) {
			return;
		}

		var popupParams = 'location=0,status=0,width=800,height=500';
		var url = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/_ax/openid/begin/' + '?url=' + encodeURIComponent(openid_url) + '&username=' + encodeURIComponent(username);
		that._openidWindow = window.open(url, 'openidWindow', popupParams);
		that._openidInterval = window.setInterval(that.completeConnect, 1000);
	};

	this.completeConnect = function() {
		if (that._openidWindow.closed) {
			window.clearInterval(that._openidInterval);
			window.location.reload();
		}
	};
};

Dsq.Reaction = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.hide = function(id) {
		Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/scobleizer/hidereaction.js?' + 'reaction_id=' + id);
	};

	this.reportMissingReactions = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || !Dsq.jsonData.forum.reactions_enabled) {
			return;
		}

		if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.queued) {
			Dsq.Popup.popModal('Your report has been received. The system will automatically search for new reactions; if any are found, they will be displayed on this comment thread.<br/><br/>Thank&nbsp;you.',
												 'Reported missing reactions');
			return;
		}

		Dsq.Utils.execScript(Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/forums/scobleizer/queueurl.js');
	};
};

Dsq.CNN = function() {
	var obj = {};

	obj.authenticate = function() {
		var url = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + "/saml/cnn/try/";
		Dsq.Utils.postToUrl(url, {'target': document.location}, true);
	};

	return obj;
}();


if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) {
	(function() {
		DSQ_HEADER_AVATAR_RE = /<div class="dsq-header-avatar"(.*?)>/gim;
		Dsq.Templates.registerFilter('postPrependHeader', function(html, post_id) {
			// Add "onmouseout" for dsq-header-avatar for dropProfile
			// functionality since IE6 cannot use :hover.
			function _headerAvatarReplace(content, inner, _unused, html) {
				return '<div class="dsq-header-avatar" '
					+ inner
					+ ' onmouseout="Dsq.Post.dropProfile(' + post_id + ')">';
			}
			html = html.replace(DSQ_HEADER_AVATAR_RE, _headerAvatarReplace);
			return html;
		});
	})();
}





	// TODO: Move Seesmic code outside of the main script.  Don't let this script clobber the global namespace.
	if(typeof seesmic == 'undefined') { var seesmic = {}; }
	seesmic.widget = new function () {
		this.callback = function (data) {
			playerVersion = data.disqusplayer;
		};
	};

	
	var scriptEl = document.createElement('script');
	scriptEl.setAttribute('type', 'text/javascript');
	scriptEl.setAttribute('src', 'http://seesmic.com/version.js?callback=seesmic.widget.callback');
	document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(scriptEl);

	
	var scriptEl = document.createElement('script');
	scriptEl.setAttribute('type', 'text/javascript');
	scriptEl.setAttribute('src', 'http://media.disqus.com/javascript/library/swfobject.js');
	document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(scriptEl);

	function see_play_video(_videoUri, _add) {
		var swf = !!playerVersion ? playerVersion : 'http://seesmic.com/embeds/StandalonePlayer.swf';

		flashcontentDiv = Dsq.$(_videoUri + '_content');
		previewDiv = Dsq.$('dsq-seesmic-' + _videoUri + '_preview');
		hideDiv = Dsq.$('dsq-seesmic-' + _videoUri + '_hide');
		showDiv = Dsq.$('dsq-seesmic-' + _videoUri + '_show');
		if(_add) {
			// push flash widget
			var so = new SWFObject(swf, 'sotester', '300', '270', '9', '#000000');
			so.addVariable('video', _videoUri);
			so.addParam('allowFullScreen', 'true');
			so.addParam('allowScriptAccess','always');
			so.useExpressInstall('swfobject/expressinstall.swf');
			so.write(_videoUri + '_content');

			previewDiv.style.display = 'none';
			hideDiv.style.display = 'block';
			showDiv.style.display = 'none';
		}
		else {
			flashcontentDiv.innerHTML = '';
			previewDiv.style.display = 'block';
			hideDiv.style.display = 'none';
			showDiv.style.display = 'block';
		}
	};





(function() {
	//
	// Load theme.  This overrides the base templates with template functions
	// from the respective themes.
	//
	if (Dsq.jsonData.integration.theme == 4) {
		var theme = 'narcissus';
		// HACK: Set variable on window to use post message.
		window.disqus_use_postmessage = true;

		
		for(var prop in Dsq.Themes[theme]) {
			if(Dsq.Themes[theme] && Dsq.Themes[theme].hasOwnProperty(prop)) {
				Dsq.Templates[prop] = Dsq.Themes[theme][prop];
			}
		}
		
		for(var prop in Dsq.Post) {
			if(Dsq.Themes[theme] && Dsq.Themes[theme].hasOwnProperty(prop)) {
				Dsq.Post[prop] = Dsq.Themes[theme][prop];
			}
		}
	}

	//
	// Register templates.  This must be done after all themes are loaded.
	//
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('authPost', Dsq.Templates.authPost);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('header', Dsq.Templates.header);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('footer', Dsq.Templates.footer);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('trackbacks', Dsq.Templates.trackbacks);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('reactions', Dsq.Templates.reactions);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('prependPost', Dsq.Templates.prependPost);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('appendPost', Dsq.Templates.appendPost);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postPrependHeader', Dsq.Templates.postPrependHeader);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postAppendHeader', Dsq.Templates.postAppendHeader);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('preBody', Dsq.Templates.preBody);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postBody', Dsq.Templates.postBody);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postFooter', Dsq.Templates.postFooter);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('_popupGeneric', Dsq.Templates._popupGeneric);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('voted', Dsq.Templates.voted);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('popupProfile', Dsq.Templates.popupProfile);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postBox', Dsq.Templates.postBox);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('pagination', Dsq.Templates.pagination);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postComment_onSuccess', Dsq.Templates.postComment_onSuccess);

})();

Dsq.container.className = "clearfix";
Dsq.container.innerHTML = ' \
<ul id="dsq-comments">\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9658234">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658234" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658234" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658234" href="http://www.blenderking.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Dan Robbins</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658234" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658234" class="dsq-comment-message">One area I don\'t see mentioned in this or any other article comparing Zune to IPod is that Zune is, for now, one product. IPod has three distinct versions. In my household, we have all 3 (shuffle - for my workouts, Nano - for my wife, full size - for my large music collection in the car). If I\'m not mistaken, the Nano is the biggest IPod seller. If Microsoft is going to make a dent, it will be based upon quickly extending their product line to compete against the Nano too. And not just emulating it, they have to surpass it widely.<br><br>Also not mentioned so much is the experience of buying or copying music to the Zune. Will their version of ITunes be easy? Will it just work? Or will it be a drawn out process (see the comparison videos at <a href="http://www.37signals.com/svn/posts/84-web-developers-microsoft-has-no-idea-whats-going-on" rel="nofollow">37 Signals</a> for an example....</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9658231">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658231" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658231" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658231">David Feldt</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658231" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658231" class="dsq-comment-message">I agree with you, as the sound of your blog. I think it will take alot of effort to convert me to some other MP3 player than my IPod Nano 2GB than something else. Because i like the service and the amount of songs that are available on iTunes. Too simply put it, Microsoft won\'t get any "ipod" customers. Why? Because the ipod users are very satisfied with their selection of music, film and podcasts. And i still think ipods are more wanted than other different kind of mp3 players. At least here in Sweden or probably Scandinavia. It still would be cheaper than a Zune or other mp3 player in the same range.<br><br>Yours Sincerely<br><br>David Feldt</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9658233">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658233" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658233" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658233">Bat Masterson</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658233" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658233" class="dsq-comment-message">Obviously, nobody is going to take down the iPod in the near (or even foreseeable?) future.<br><br>This first version of Zune is a Toshiba Gigabeat + wifi + slicker UI (and the Gigabeat is using Portable Media Center 2.0 UI, which is already slick in its own right).  I have an iPod, but I\'ve regarded the Gigabeat as the best all-around portable digital player; that is, until the Zune.  This first Zune\'s successors will be the ones that Apple might have to worry about (those will likely have the podcast support; and the aftermarket products will be more established (it\'s being established even as we speak)).  As it is, all of the other players do have to be concerned with the Zune, even if Apple isn\'t.<br><br>Now, regarding the "kid\'s view".  You\'re obviously rich, to have your kid trading $300 dollar gadgets with other kids without the first care in the world as to whether they get lost, stolen, broken, et.  In my neighborhood, nobody "trades iPods".  Those that have them guard them.  They don\'t have the money to replace them if something goes awry in such trades.  But Apple has always appealed to the rich, so maybe they do have a stronger hold in that segment of the populace.<br><br>And why would "white earphones" be a conversation starter?  Not in my experience.  If it is, what color are the earphones of the white Zune?  If it\'s white, does that nullify that particular "advantage"? ;-)<br><br>I\'m interested in build quality too.  The increasing reports on message boards regarding people going to two or three iPods in 24 months is worrisome.  If Zune has better build quality (and that\'ll be up to Toshiba), then that\'s a big advantage right there.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9658232">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658232" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658232" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658232" href="http://blorq.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">bl0rq</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658232" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658232" class="dsq-comment-message">I do not think missing podcast support is that big of a deal, especially considering it will watch the folders and sync up properly.  This will let you use a 3rd party rss/podcast sync to download the files into the proper folder.  Its not "ideal" but i personally cant stand using iTunes, so for me, it falls under the "at least as good" category.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9658229">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658229" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658229" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658229">Christopher Coulter</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658229" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658229" class="dsq-comment-message">Good analysis, but it really matters little in the long run, as Microsoft doesn\'t command that pop culture edge needed to take this bigtime. And it\'s just a beta test anyways, like the UMPC/Tablet/Smartphone/Pocket PC, better off waiting for version 2 or 3 or multiple firmware upgrades.<br><br>PS - Whatever happened to the PMCs? Wow...that\'s disappeared faster than anything. All the rage for Microsoft at CES, and gone in 60 seconds.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9658228">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658228" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658228" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658228">Christopher Coulter</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658228" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658228" class="dsq-comment-message">PSS - Sorta come back with the UI, sooo Zune is PMC2 then?</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9658222">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658222" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658222" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658222" href="http://brockett.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Kurt Brockett</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658222" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658222" class="dsq-comment-message">So here\'s why I think the Zune might make an OK go at it...everyone has an iPod.  What was one of the biggest factors of picking up an iPod?  The cool, hey look, that guy/girl has an iPod.  That no longer works.  But if Microsoft gets behind the Zune from a marketing standpoint people may pick it up just to be the cool kid on the block again.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9658223">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658223" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658223" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658223">anand</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658223" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658223" class="dsq-comment-message">&gt;&gt;Does it work with a Macintosh? No.<br><br>Does it really matter?? WOuld you or 99% of the ipod crowd bought it if it was not compatible with a PC/windows --&gt;&gt;&gt; NONONONONO.<br><br>I am sure the marketing guys at microsoft are intelligent enough to make it compatible if Mac continues to grow.And it will appeal even more to 85% of the office crowd using MSoffice in their work place where they have no permission to install itunes. Zune will be integrated in wmp. A HUGE advantage.<br><br><br>&gt;&gt;Kids point of view<br><br>Frankly its not the kids point of view. Its your point of view. He gets an ipod coz you allow that. Another parent having a PC might be more inclined to buy a zune seeing a microsoft logo there. And yes kids love gadgets that can integrate with xbox.<br><br>Read somewhere that microsoft is going to make its point system ubiquitous. You play games or share movies and you earn points. Use that to buy song. Now that is cool as well for gamers and Kids.<br><br>&gt;&gt;The Zune team didn’t show us the OOBE (Out Of Box Experience<br><br>Well you no longer work for microsoft. And even if you had, the zune team might have had some restrictions on leaking out the features. This is hardly a reason to worry about at this stage. Wait for some more time.<br><br>&gt;&gt;But, for now, I’d stick with an iPod.<br><br>You have too. Even if you wish there it is not for sale :)<br><br>&gt;&gt;The Zune has a wifi antenna. Can I use it to download music without hooking up to a computer? No.<br><br>Again it depends on the demand. If more ppl want that feature, it should be easy to implement. Sell a wifi reciever, update the software and it should work seemlessly.<br><br>&gt;&gt;Zune doesn’t have a microphone.<br><br>Nor does the ipod have. Atleast my shuffle has none (btw i got the shuffle free..otherwise i might have<br>got something cheap that fits a students pocket).<br><br>&gt;&gt;Zune doesn’t have a podcast client.<br>&gt;&gt;Zune doesn’t have a way to subscribe to Rocketboom or ZeFrank or any other videoblog.<br><br>Guess you are confused here. A podcast client and a way to subscribe are in no way RELATED TO ZUNE. ZUNE is the HARDWARE. These are SOFTWARE. All microsoft needs to do is a software update. And yes, they need not be in hurry as 99% of teh ppl using computers have not heard podcast (and/or) not used it yet like me!!</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9658224">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658224" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658224" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658224">Rohit</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658224" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658224" class="dsq-comment-message">I agree with the post. Right out of the box the Zune is no iPod killer. We all know it, Apple knows it and above all Microsoft knows it. Right out of the box 1G Zune is an entry point. It’s a basic device which tries to get the basic right.<br><br>However I think the some interesting features are going to come in as updates. After some time when a few thousands Zune are sold and all the minor glitches worked out, that’s when we will see the upgrades.<br><br>I don’t think the form factor of the G1 Zune has mush role at this stage. In case the form factor really becomes a problem MS can easily introduce a new Zune with different design. Over a period of time it will be worked out.<br><br>Sometimes I think the missing features in Zune can also be a sort of marketing strategy. Let the device go out with a couple of features missing and add it within a couple of days of release to garner attention. I am sure adding support for podcast will not be that difficult through an update.<br><br>As for voice recording I don’t expect this to be added. Nor games. They will like to stay with the music and introducing those at this stage takes away from the main message.<br><br>Finally all will hang upon the updates. That gives them a huge advantage. They can basically introduce any features which they think people are missing the most. In other words the product can evolve.<br><br>However I am wondering if anyone sees any features in Zune which are not there, but are present in iPod(except for podcast)?<br><br>Rohit<br>PS : Maybe theory of 3G product with MS still holds....</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9658225">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658225" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658225" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658225">Dileepa</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658225" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658225" class="dsq-comment-message">In unrelated news, Scoble relates anything to anything else.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9658226">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658226" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658226" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658226">S3rgi0</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658226" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658226" class="dsq-comment-message">I don\'t really think that podcasts are such a big thing for kids right now. I would say it\'s kind of lame to see a kid subscribing a podcast.<br><br>Probably what\'s going on here, is that <a href="http://podtech.net" rel="nofollow">podtech.net</a> feels left behind by the lack of this feature on the Zune.<br><br>If podcasting was as cool as they say, that feature would have been there since the first version :)<br><br>$0.02</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9658221">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658221" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658221" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658221">anand</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658221" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658221" class="dsq-comment-message">again one last thing. There is no use scolding MS or Apple for DRM. The music companies dont want that. If MS or apple refuses to implement that, the music companies are going to stop selling cheap music. It is as simple as that.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658220" class="dsq-comment-header">\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658220">anand</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658220" class="dsq-comment-message">&gt;&gt;I don’t really think that podcasts are such a big &gt;&gt;thing for kids right now. I would say it’s kind of &gt;&gt;lame to see a kid subscribing a podcast.<br><br>Actually i know some kids listening to major nelsons podcast. IF there are gonna listen to some podcast from SUN ceo or google or MS programmers, there is some big problem.. This is not the age to worry to much about technology. Rather play and have fun</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658219" href="http://www.madhuv.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">madhu</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658219" class="dsq-comment-message">one huge thing, i wonder why microsoft lost it..<br>i mean windows media player, common should that sync instead of the zune marketplace..<br>thats pretty lame.<br>wifi thats pretty lame.. if i cant use it so stream or sync music with...<br>whats the point then... i am not gonna share songs with some one alone...<br>maybe its true.. we wait for version 3.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658215" href="http://acidzebra.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Michiel</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658215" class="dsq-comment-message">I\'m pretty sure \'Updateability\' is not actually a word.<br><br>I also fail to see why you think having or wanting to update your music player often is a good thing. And for the tweaking-inclined ipod owners there are replacement firmware/OS solutions0 like Rockbox: <a href="http://www.rockbox.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rockbox.org/</a><br><br>In fact, I bet they will be running on the Zune in no time, and hackers (in the good sense of the word. Stupid media) like them might open the Zune\'s rather crippled wifi to its full potential. Because this p2p 3xplay stuff is really rather lame.<br><br>I\'m still getting massive use out of my 40 Gb non-video non-colour screen ipod that I bought some 2-odd years ago. To be fair, I did replace the battery recently with a fresh heavy-duty one. If it were to break down right now, I\'d probably buy another ipod; I\'d have a hard time choosing between the rather sleek and light 8 Gb nano or the fat 80 Gb ipod for the packrat in me.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658216">T Man</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658216" class="dsq-comment-message">You make some good points.  But let\'s look at these that I think are a little glaring:<br><br>"But let’s look deeper. The Zune has a wifi antenna. Can I use it to download music without hooking up to a computer? No."<br><br>I agree, that would make that killer feature much more "killer".  How about throwing a browser on the Zune too?  Then work with Verizon and get a MP3/phone combo that Apple is possibly working on.<br><br>"Does it work with a Macintosh? No."<br><br>Not really a deal breaker at this point.  You are going to have a hard time convincing any self respecting Mac user to give up their Steve Jobs goodness.  So why even try in that market out of the gate?  And MS really only cares about numbers.  3% doesn\'t amount to much.<br><br>"Does it free me from DRM? No."<br><br>Neither does the iPod, so I don\'t see why this is even mentioned.  I hate DRM myself, but no player is going to free us from DRM.  Only the big, bag record labels can.<br><br>"Can I use my iPod music on it that I’ve purchased on iTunes? No."<br><br>You know better.  Since the iPod is an "accepted" closed system, everyone thinks that this is an advantage.  But the iTunes purchased music is all DRM\'ed, so I couldn\'t imagine this any other way.  And with a big player like MS entering the market, any chance of Apple opening up their DRM to competitors is now nil.<br><br>"Can I record off of the FM tuner? No."<br><br>Agreed.  Hopefully this will be one of the upgraded features.  Given their experience with MCE, I would imagine we will see it at sometime.<br><br>MARKETING<br><br>The marketing I have seen has been pretty good, and is innovative in a viral sort of way.  Remember something about the iPod marketing.  Apple wants us all to "think different", however, how are we all thinking different when we all have the same device?  I think that in the teen/college aged sector, there are still plenty of people out there that are anit-cool, whereas they don\'t like those things that everyone else thinks are cool.  If MS taps in to this marketing niche, I think they can find some success in the market.<br><br>In any case, MS has already stated that they are in this for the long haul, and don\'t expect (and shouldn\'t) to win it overnight.  Strong second is what they hope for, and with an expanded product line, downloadable features, and what I am going to assume some sort of hackability, they should be able to do it.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658217" href="http://dotnetjunkies.com/WebLog/paul/default.aspx" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">paul</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658217" class="dsq-comment-message">Wi-Fi on such a small device is a killer feature and we will be sync\'n with our PC\'s for content.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658218">David</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658218" class="dsq-comment-message">&gt; Remember 1989? I thought the Macintosh was superior<br>&gt; to Windows. Which one ended up with more market<br>&gt; share? The ones that the developers could extend<br>&gt; the easiest.<br><br>Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. Microsoft wound up with marketshare to competition (hardware) and a lack of competition (operating system) caused by Microsoft\'s manipulative processes.<br><br>Because there were lots of PC compatible box manufacturers all making the same product they competed on price driving costs down. To Apple\'s view, there was no competition and therefore no need to keep price down. Apple guessed wrong and people chose low cost computers over high priced computers.<br><br>But that doesn\'t mean buyers chose Windows - that\'s just what came installed on the box they bought. Lots of us formatted the drive and installed the OS we really wanted. This double charge for an OS eventually gave Microsoft the upper hand and their competitors were driven out of the market.<br><br>But don\'t make the mistake of thinking we chose Windows or that the PC platform won because it was superior. If superiority were the issue we\'d all be using systems based on IBM\'s PS/2 computers.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658214">Russ Henry</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658214" class="dsq-comment-message">Size and functionality will keep zune from zooming.<br><br>I have a shuffle that made it through the hot water wash and the very hot regular dry cycle inside my cargo pants.  I would be far too afraid to re-create the same scenario for the Nano or Zune.  I like many others have the shuffle for hard use and the Nano, iPod’s are reserved for cool town casual stuff.<br><br>I believe the Zune will become your “Fathers Oldsmobile”.  Pre-loaded with Lasik commercials.  The smaller screen on the Nano is somewhat of a litmus test, don’t trust anyone over 40 deal. Check this out on my Nano ... hang on I have to get my reading glasses.<br><br>Multiply the error times 10 and see if the size has a big impact.  The same logic applies to all error analysis.<br><br>Bigger was bad-er. I; would also stick to the iPod.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658213">devils_advocate</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658213" class="dsq-comment-message">If you did a feature based comparison like this one on Youtube Vs Google video which will come on top?<br><br>Even if YT wins it will be by a very small margin. But the market trend didnt quite obey that.<br><br>If feature based scientific comparison was the way to predict markets and trends we wouldnt have failed products</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658212" href="http://kw198025.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">kw198025</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658212" class="dsq-comment-message">But let’s look deeper. The Zune has a wifi antenna. Can I use it to download music without hooking up to a computer? No.<br><br>This REALLY would be an advantage, imagine being able to get music anywhere, I am sure microsoft could quite easily implement some kind of browser technology to enable end users to be able to do this, lets face it there are web browsers compact enough to run on a pocket pc or a mobile phone, if you were able to download via WI-FI with no PC needed I would probably not think twice about getting one of these.<br>****************************<br>It is a shame to see that this is yet another device that does not free the user from DRM, however if people would only purchase their stuff legally then maybe there would be no need for DRM in the first place.<br>****************************<br>Updateability: better than iPod (if I were Apple I’d worry about this).  I Agree 110% this has to be a distinct advantage for Microsoft.<br>*****************************<br>Shame that it does not work with a mac, though I would have to say this does not cause any problems for me as I use my mac only for design work and photo editing and my PC for everything else, but I can kind of appreciate the need for cross platform support.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658211">Ron</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658211" class="dsq-comment-message">Robert, I like your review.  I have been using the Yahoo music subscription service for the past couple of years and thought about switching to Zune, but in the end decided to just order a new Creative Zen Vision:M for $200 and stick with Yahoo for now. Yahoo  Music is a bit cheaper solution for a subscription music solution and works with a couple of other older devices I already own.  I think the second generation Zune will be worth a look in 18 months or so.<br><br>Like you said market share changes in music playing/purchasing platforms will likely depend on youthful customers - Microsoft faces an uphill struggle due to Apple\'s marketing genius and reasonably decent hardware and software engineering.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658209">Sina</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658209" class="dsq-comment-message">I\'ll be buying a Zune because of the subscription music. I\'ve been using Yahoo music for a while now, and I love it. It\'s really amazing to have access to so much music, and I really think its a "killer" feature. But the user experience with the current "playforsure" services is terrible. The software (e.g. Yahoo music engine) is slow, the music transfers are unreliable, and the hardware is a mess. Every player seems to be unreasonably slow when playing the DRM\'d tracks, and none provide a good user experience. But Zune can fix all that.<br><br>Also, I don\'t think podcast support is quite so important - if anything, video is the cool hip thing at the moment (hence youtube\'s success). Of all the people I know who have ipods, only a very small percentage listen to podcasts. And Microsoft can easily fix the issue in future firmware versions.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658207" href="http://kernelpanic.lug-pa.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">JimmyLee</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658207" class="dsq-comment-message">MS has been famous for releasing faulty software and devices… so updateability is a must!<br>At the end, there will be over 3 versions of this Zune device…. and I’m sure ipod will release some version of the ipod with wifi connectivity if the time becomes that you download music directly to your zune … that is not too hard to implement… I may say this antenna for ipod may be plugable and sold like any other ipod plug in.<br><br>Besides… as usual, some crazy guy with nothing important to do will figure out a way to install a linux kernel on the Zune…<br><br>This is so typical that honestly I don’t feel any excitement about the launch of this player.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658208" href="http://www.nyub.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">MK</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658208" class="dsq-comment-message">The Zune product team is run by J.Allard. This man is very close to to destroying Sony\'s Playstation. Zune is round 1 of at least 12. I know who I\'m putting my money on.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658203">Goebbels</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658203" class="dsq-comment-message">Before responding to Scobie, I have to respond to this:<br><br>"This man is very close to to destroying Sony’s Playstation."<br><br>Ha, ha, ha!!! Sony can screw itself and sit on its ass and the PS2 still outsells both the XBox and the XBox 360 combined currently. The XBox 360 is selling SLOWER than the first XBox. Destroying Sony indeed.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658202">devils_advocate</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658202" class="dsq-comment-message">Goebbels - any stats to back your claim?</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658201" href="http://www.clarkezone.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">James Clarke</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658201" class="dsq-comment-message">For me, the lack of the ability to sync down audio or video netcasts/podcasts over wifi is a real missed opportunity.  Granted, they will probably do this as a software update but that would be the killer feature to have at launch, particularly as broadcasters such as the BBC are offering radio and TV shows this way so you can mix UGC with traditional broadcast stuff.  Since I will never buy or download protected content, the whole Zune store thing isn\'t very interesting, neither is the sharing (the 3x3 thing kills that for me).  Plus, my new T-Mobile Dash phone is so sexy I\'m wondering if I really need a separate device at all.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658200">Christopher Coulter</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658200" class="dsq-comment-message"><i>I know who I’m putting my money on.</i><br><br>Well, you will have to put that money on, once, twice, thrice, again, again and again, never-ending really. The Microsoft Beta Test Ecosystem Defense Fund. And Sony, even given it\'s trainwreck-level massive problems, still has a worldwide PS3 footprint marketshare that will vault them to the top, in terms of raw numbers. In fact, they already outsell Xbox and Xbox 360 combined, that with a 6 year old VGS.<br><br>If you started, and bet on Win CE/Pocket PC from the get-go, you would have had to buy 6 devices, sometimes much more depending on the OEM you chose, per various firmware and chipset upgrade issues.<br><br>Expect the Early Adopters, the MVP and other freebie entitlement Webmasters and other Microsoft Mobius-leeches like that, to go bonkers. Everyone else, wait 2-3 years before you even start to pay attention.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658199" href="http://chrisgonyea.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Chris G.</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658199" class="dsq-comment-message">I don\'t get how upgradability is a major advantage over the iPod?<br><br>Apple has released iPod firmware updates for years. And since iTunes 7 has been released, everyone will be alerted of updates and be told to install them.<br><br>Example of updates to Apple firmware: addition of AAC support when the music store was introduced, addition of podcast support, Nike+iPod support, etc.<br><br>If Apple ever feels the need to match a software feature on the Zune, it will take a simple firmware update.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658197">Goebbels</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658197" class="dsq-comment-message">Part 1<br><br>"Box design: good. As good as iPod."<br><br>This isn\'t very "Fundamental" or important to the success of the product. Just doing better than the horrible job MS usually does does not provide any advantage. It\'s nice to see, but rather insignificant. More important will be how it is displayed: Apple has its own stores and millions of users allowing anyone to sample an iPod. Microsoft will be behind a glass case in a box in WalMart.<br><br>"Look and feel and overall hardware quality: good. As good as iPod. I actually even liked the brown one a lot."<br><br>But you are missing size. On this type of device, the slightest difference is immensely noticeable. You can see this within the iPod community between generations. I know people who upgraded, not because of features, but because of size. Zune has a HUGE disadvantage here.<br><br>"Screen: better than iPod."<br><br>Debatable. Not much bigger, lower quality. And we only have one point of comparison. Apple has 3 devices: one with no screen, one with a small screen, one with an average screen. It is now the appropriate time to buy into rumors and expect a much larger and better screen than the Zune in the next 3 months, if not before the holiday.<br><br>"Hard drive size: worse than iPod."<br><br>Yes.<br><br>"Features: mixed bag, we’ll get into that below."<br><br>Yes, below.<br><br>"Price: in the right neighborhood."<br><br>But probably costly to MS without the proper scale at this time.<br><br>"Marketing: unknown, but Apple has set such a high bar that I doubt Microsoft can even get close."<br><br>True, but the "viral" campaigns have been pathetic and scattered. There does not appear to be a strong, focused marketing message. Will wait...<br><br>"Software experience: unknown."<br><br>Agreed. Why didn\'t you push any buttons on this? This is MS\'s "integrated" experience and the best we have is a screenshot of the library. That\'s it. If the software is so cool, so community focused, why has MS been unwilling to prime the hype pumps on this aspect?<br><br>"Updateability: better than iPod (if I were Apple I’d worry about this)."<br><br>Woah, woah, woah!!! This is absurd! Because Zune doesn\'t have the many, many features people expect and they say, "Well, we could add that in the future", you say it has better upgradability? Absurd! Apple Macs had been far ahead of PCs in terms of upgradable firmware, and the iPod has always had upgradable firmware. The rest of the market has upgradable firmware. You haven\'t seen the software, Zune hasn\'t been released (nevermind refreshed)... You can\'t claim it\'s more upgradable! The device will have its limitations as all hardware is by definition constrained in its software upgradability.<br><br>Maybe it can be said that Apple has a preference to not work on upgrading older models to drive adoption of new generations, but it can\'t be claimed that the Zune is more upgradable.<br><br>Hell, we\'ve recently seen how even "renegade" companies like Archos have released "upgrades" which limit features. For all we know, Microsoft will have to impair its WiFi because of studio pressure. We can\'t just give them a star for claiming they may or may not add features in the future because they don\'t have them now and because they\'ve discovered this thing that\'s existed for years called "upgradable firmware." Sorry, Scobie, but you are just sucking on the old teet on this one.<br><br>"Conversationality: (Does it cause a conversation). Here Apple wins with the white headphones hands down."<br><br>Apple wins here, hands down, agreed. But not because of white headphones. They win here because they have a clear, focused vision which is reflected in their products, advertising, strategy, etc...<br><br>"Integration: beats the iPod cause it works with Xbox."<br><br>What? Because it can stream (when connected by a wire) to a device owned by less than 20 million people it has an advantage in integration? What about 70% of US cars having iPod docks, what about 3000+ accessories, what about connecting any mp3 player to any home entertainment component. Sorry, ZERO advantage Microsoft.<br><br>Fundamentals you ignore:<br><br>Strategy confusion, abandonment: what about PFS devices and stores?<br><br>Media experience or music experience: Zune is primarily focused on music. What is, where is MS\'s strategy on TV, films, other video, podcasts, games, and personal information like notes, contacts, calendars? MS has had PMCs, Smartphones, the XBox, etc... for years, yet they ignored these other personal media experiences in the Zune. Why?<br><br>A Family of Products: How do you get WiFi in a Nano? How do you tout that bigger screen in a shuffle-like device? How do you hit every price point selling a rebranded third-party product with very low volumes?<br><br>The full ecosystem: MS can catch up here, but their strategy seems to be give the higher margins to the retailers but put the risk on them (inventories, advertising, etc...). Apple may not be every retailers friend, but the advertising happens on its own without work, and even if margins are lower, the inventories fly off the shelf. Likewise, MS\'s strategy seems to be to provide many of these accessories themselves. Apple does so as well, but not as broadly -- kitschier products, smaller niche products, higher end items. How does MS get the ecosystem if they are providing most of the accessories themselves? How does MS attract the truly significant partners like Nike when they will have a much, much smaller share of the market?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658196" class="dsq-comment-message">devil\'s advocate, yes, I do. Since it\'s a self-evident and well-known fact, you can use this thing called the web and Google to find out for yourself. I see know reason to try to teach you something.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658195" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658195">jonas</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658195" class="dsq-comment-message">I think the iPod will win this and probably the next round mainly because of one thing: brand awarenes.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658194">Goebbels</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658194" class="dsq-comment-message">Before moving on to Part 2, I realized I skipped a piece of my integration argument... So I\'ll provide a prediction. I bet you that by the end of 2007, Apple has sold more "iTVs" than MS has sold XBoxes. (Maybe that\'s too bold, but I bet the number is close... Say between 8 and 15 million.)<br><br>So... Not only does the iPod have 3000+ accessories, docks on 70% of all new cars, integration with both the Mac and PC platform (can I "integrate" Zune with a Mac?), but they will also have the same home integration at a higher level of functionality and probably greater ease of use with (the same or nearly) as many users.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658193">Goebbels</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658193" class="dsq-comment-message">Part 2<br><br>The Edge Case.<br><br>Firstly, I agree the Zune presents no compelling features for the geek.<br><br>Secondly, are you really continuing to argue that subs are the killer feature after 4 years of hype and zero success? Sad. Subs do not even register as a blip. You may buy into renting music for your entire life, but most edge cases either want to own or are willing to indulge in piracy.<br><br>Thirdly, who cares? Geeks may be a source of early penetration, but we are FIVE YEARS into the development of this market. The iPod is for edge cases, the mainstream, and those who weren\'t even big music consumers but are newly discovering they enjoy the personal device. The edge case might have been significant 5 years ago. Now, the edge is simply those geeks who want to hack the "OS" and who want support for a dozen barely used OSS content formats. Zune will never provide these "edge case" features, and the edge doesn\'t represent a significantly large enough market segment to matter.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658191" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658191">El Duque</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658191" class="dsq-comment-message">This is a very biased and one-sided comparison.<br><br>So Robert, does the IPOD free you from DRM? NO!<br><br>In fact, the ONLY reason the Zune can\'t play iTunes music is because of APPLE DRM!!!<br><br>GIVE ME A BREAK!!!</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658192">devils_advocate</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658192" class="dsq-comment-message">Goebbels - thanks for the pointers. I am still not sure what \'web\' is. You see, i am writing this message on a clay tablet and my genie would put that on this thing called \'blog\'.<br><br>I see you are a wise man. Great predictions on iTV.<br><br>You should be very wise. You are able to write a big comparison story without having seen/used the device. ( remote possibility - you have seen it - Still thats not the one out of the box)<br><br>Aren\'t you going to predict 99% market share for macs also? I am tired of all market predictors. You can look up a couple of pictures/use some thing for 10 minutes and go on on how the market and the mass will react to things. Why dont you tell me that you knew GOOG would hit 485 today and YT will be bought for 1.65 billion...</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658190">Goebbels</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658190" class="dsq-comment-message">Part 3: The Kids\' View<br><br>Not much to argue here, but I\'m much, much less enamored with the "coolness" argument. The iPod is cool because it is cool. It is a trendsetter, and Apple appears to have the vision to keep executing, keeping the iPod ahead of the pack. The "Fundamental" section of your comments shows that the Zune is not cool, nevermind cooler.<br><br>However, your point about sharing deserves comment. The iPod has always been a great sharing device: use headphone splitters, share the headphones, swap iPods, connect your iPod to a friend\'s computer or stereo or iPod dock, stash one of many small apps on your iPod so you can pull tunes off the iPod to share. Lend your iPod to someone for a day or two or longer. All of these modes of sharing trump MS\'s marketing speak about "social experiences" when thaty social experience is confined to a highly limited one-directional "sharing" aimed at adding some revenue to MS\'s coffers. This sharing on the iPod (and largely available to any DAP but less so because of smaller marketshare and less of an ecosystem) is more human and interactive and real than Ballmer\'s "squirting" with limited playback.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658188">Bat Masterson</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658188" class="dsq-comment-message">Regarding podcasting, according to <a href="http://news.digitaltrends.com/talkback109.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.digitaltrends.com/talkback109.html</a>, only 20% of downloaded podcasts are ever transported to a portable player.<br><br>And I\'d surmise that only 3% of portable players ever have podcasts transfered to them at all.<br><br>This is not a big deal.<br>And as was stated above, you can probably use a 3rd party podcast subscriber and just sync with the folders that that 3rd party app uses.<br><br>Dare is in the process of adding podcast support to RSS Bandit as we speak. ;-)<br><br>IE7\'s RSS functionality already supports automatically downloading multimedia attachments within RSS feeds (i.e. podcasts), so one can simply sync with the folders that IE downloads those to as well.<br><br>Not a big deal, IMO.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658186" href="http://engtech.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">engtech</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658186" class="dsq-comment-message">Nothing to add, I just wanted to say kudos to a really good comparison.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658187">Bat Masterson</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658187" class="dsq-comment-message">Another thing -<br>Regarding lack of Mac support:<br>This is not an issue.  You know why?  99.99999% of Mac users will NOT choose a product against which Apple competes.  They will choose the product that Jobs tells them to, end of story.  That\'s why there\'s virtually zero (or only half-hearted at best) support for the Mac by other portable player makers.  They know that Apple has that market locked up to themselves.  The Windows market is much more competitive.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658189">Bat Masterson</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658189" class="dsq-comment-message">Goebbels, what makes you think that Zune can\'t do the sharing that you cite for iPod?  Zune does have headphone splitters, you can share Zunes, you can plug them into a friend\'s computer, etc.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658184" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658184" href="http://alfredo.octavio.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Alfredo Octavio</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658184" class="dsq-comment-message">Good article. Got a question though. The iPod works with an Xbox 360. You connect to it and you can play the (non DRM crippled) songs on it. Does the Zune does anything else? Can you buy songs from the Zune Marketplace with an Xbox 360? Can you use the Zune only with an Xbox 360 (no windows required)?</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658185">Custa</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658185" class="dsq-comment-message">You are making a lot of asumptions of what Apple\'s software capability is and what they have up their sleeve Robert. Are you sre the excitement of getting some hands on time with the Zune team is not clouding your judgement that while the Zune is not released yet, but you know what\'s coming with it that you have forgotten that Apple is probably working on their next big thing which can occur at any time with no pre-warning?</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658182">Patrick Scoble</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658182" class="dsq-comment-message">Yah Dad, we don\'t trade iPods we go to each others houses and steals their music ;)</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658183">Goebbels</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658183" class="dsq-comment-message">"This is not an issue. You know why? 99.99999% of Mac users will NOT choose a product against which Apple competes. They will choose the product that Jobs tells them to, end of story."<br><br>This is such a silly myth. 90% of Mac users use both systems because the work environment forces them to. Most Mac users will consider any worthwhile product.<br><br>And I\'m not making a point about trying to attract that marketshare (although the Mac marketshare is greater than the XBox marketshare in pure numbers), but that it is not a more integratable device... in which case, it is relevant that the Zune can only connect to the XBox.<br><br>"Goebbels, what makes you think that Zune can’t do the sharing that you cite for iPod? Zune does have headphone splitters, you can share Zunes, you can plug them into a friend’s computer, etc."<br><br>Did you miss the part where I said: "This sharing on the iPod (and largely available to any DAP but less so because of smaller marketshare and less of an ecosystem) is more human and interactive and real than Ballmer’s “squirting” with limited playback."? The point is: the extremely limited WiFi sharing doesn\'t enable or improve sharing in any meaningful way. It is essentially the sole differentiator, yet it is not a true differentiator.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658181">anand</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658181" class="dsq-comment-message">&gt;&gt;Yah Dad, we don’t trade iPods we go to each others &gt;&gt;houses and steals their music<br><br>scoble gets owned for over exagerration of stuff.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658179">Mark Alexander</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658179" class="dsq-comment-message">Robert,<br>On Screen:  The screen on the Zune and video iPod is the same resolution.  The screen size is larger on the Zune, which actually makes the image easier to see, but the image quality will look worse.<br><br>On box: The box as pictured for the Zune is quite poor.  It only has a Zune logo and name.  No image or description.  (I realize that MS tends to over do it with description, but no description at all is going too far the other way) The current iPod package is now a clear box.  It is very easy to see what you get with iPod.  Zune box will only appeal to people who already know that they want  a Zune.<br><br>On subscriptions: So far the bulk of the Music services, except iTunes, already offer subscriptions.  To date that has not been a significant feature requirement based on current subscription levels.  Maybe MS will get Zune/Subscriptions right, but that is unclear at this time.<br><br>On updates: iPod/iTunes does and has done many updates, some are bug fixes, some add new features.  Prior to iTunes 7, iPod updater was a standalone program, but in iTunes 7 it is now integrated directly in iTunes. iTunes updates now part of Apple Software update on both Mac &amp; Windows.<br><br>Thats enough for now.<br>Mark</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658175" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658175" href="http://www.elliesdad.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Patrick D. Gaul</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658175" class="dsq-comment-message">I have a 60 GB iPod, a 4 GB Nano and a 1 GB shuffle.  I recently ordered the new shuffle.  My wife has a 4 GB Nano and both kids have 4 GB Mini\'s.  I have over 30,000 songs loaded into iTunes and use two 200 GB Seagate External Storage Devices for back-up.  In my neighborhood, I\'m not the exception.  Apple\'s advantage is what Seth Godin always raves about; i.e.:  being first has some serious advantages.  In this case it is the level of penetration that they have achieved and the level of complexity they have created relative to change.  It\'s the same reason I don\'t buy software from Apple....yea, you know it.  I\'m a MS fan all the way when it comes to running my business and my home computing.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658174" href="http://winmac.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">winmac</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658174" class="dsq-comment-message">Good interview Robert, the Microsoftie is young and looked Nervous, but otherwise I like what I see with the Zune, will this hurt Apple, not on your life, to much mind share and market share.<br>But then again Microsoft doesn\'t expect to make a dent against the iPod at first and this is a gen 1 product, I believe Microsft is thinking five years to establish itself in this market.<br><br>I wouldnt mind dumping my ipod, the big question here is can the software match the ease of use of iTunes,WMP 11 is pretty robust and seems faster than even iTunes 7, not surprising concidering how buggy<br>iTunes 7 is, but I need the ease of use and WMP 11<br>seems to be right there .<br><br>I guess I\'ll wait and see.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658173">Goebbels</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658173" class="dsq-comment-message">Part 4<br><br>The User\'s Point of View<br><br>Here is one area where MS could have an advantage: they are essentially copying word-for-word from a playbook that has been wide open for 5 years.<br><br>Also, I expect that the software will include more social features and other extras. MS will, from a place of weakness, do whatever they can to add value.<br><br>However, this is where the change in strategy will hurt them. Users will expect PlaysForSure to be a part of the experience; there is no reason for it not to be. They will expect the "openness" that is at the core of Microsoft\'s standard strategies. It is not clear if MS knows how to do a vertical solution, nevermind if they can satisfactorily get people to accept their strategy hypocrisy.<br><br>Additionally, this will help Apple. All of the complaints surrounding the iPod (DRM lock-in, simplicity, battery issues) will be equally present in Zune. This will leave the iPod-haters with less of an argument against Apple\'s few unique "problems."<br><br>The Ecosystem<br><br>As mentioned previously, the XBox or Media Center are inconsequential in comparison to the iPod\'s car market and other devices and the future potential of the "iTV."<br><br>"And, the Zune has a better software updater. I’m already hearing that within a few days of release in mid-November that there will already be some new features released."<br><br>Also mentioned previously, this is nonsense. Holding back a few features for a couple of weeks after launch isn\'t promising. It\'s a gimmick to make it appear as if it will be frequently updated. Everything I\'ve heard, seen, and read from anyone involved with Zune claims they\'ve done massive R&amp;D and yet at the same time they claim they don\'t know what users want, what will be possible, etc... This is simply silly. In fact, we\'ve already seen large steps BACK from what was originally announced: no DJ feature, for example, only per song 3 play-3 day sharing with an individual at a time.<br><br>"If Microsoft can upgrade all of its Zune players easily with new features and games and such, then they can build experiences that the iPod can’t easily get..."<br><br>Woah, woah, woah!! The Product Manager told you they have no plans for games and have no interaction at all with the XBox team and you are already presuming they are getting games? Absurd. And why can\'t the iPod easily get the same thing? In fact, the iPod has already gotten many of these things via updates.<br><br>"(and if third-party developers can play there, watch out."<br><br>Woah! Microsoft has already locked out of its device its existing partners, its WMP team, and its XBox team, and they are proudly proclaiming this is a closed, vertical system to provide simplicity and ease-of-use, and you are granting them 3rd party developers when already the iPod has iPod Linux and a vast community of hacks and apps, numerous apps to interact with the iPod, simple apps using its notes and other features, game development, exclusive and innovative apps via partnerships with Nike, and you are giving the advantage to the Zune? More silliness.<br><br>"Remember 1989? I thought the Macintosh was superior to Windows. Which one ended up with more market share? The ones that the developers could extend the easiest."<br><br>Why should I care about your misguided views and poor predictions? Yes, you\'ve shown a track record of being wrong over and over.<br><br>Conclusion<br><br>"It’s that last point that could turn into a killer feature. If software developers are enabled to build new experiences for the Zune, then we could see something killer come along that’ll get more people interested in the Zune."<br><br>And from what we\'ve explicitly have been told by numerous Zune sources and Ballmer and other MS execs is that we should not expect this at all.<br><br>Also, in the case of consumer electronics, it is the content, not the developers as it is in the PC world. Apple has a music catalog of 3.5 million; Zune 2 million. Apple has over 200 TV shows, over 40 movies, a broad podcast directory, thousands of music videos, and will continue to expand this more rapidly in more countries quicker than MS can come close to.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658171" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658171" href="http://poetlisfe.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Bruce Curley</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658171" class="dsq-comment-message">Robert,<br><br>With your review and more especially the comments to your review, you just performed tens of thousands worth of free marketing research for both MicroSoft and Apple. The technical, business, marketing, sales, and projection data and strategic expertise here is worthy of Knowledge Wharton. Who exploits it faster may answer your original questions, analysis and conclusion.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658172">James</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658172" class="dsq-comment-message">Robert, You\'re dead wrong about updatability...iTunes 7 has excellent support in iTunes itself for applying firmware upgrades to your iPod.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658170" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658170">Russ Henry</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658170" class="dsq-comment-message">I am sure Apple R&amp;D reads your posts.  If not, shame on them.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658169" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658169" href="http://ericrice.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Eric Rice</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658169" class="dsq-comment-message">I have a sneaky suspicion in my gut that it won\'t be someone making a music device that will win this battle. We\'re looking too narrow at the player-only feature first.<br><br>A hunch, is all.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658168" href="http://wrightin.gs/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Jamie Wright</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658168" class="dsq-comment-message">Great post! Here is a link to a post that I wrote several weeks ago that share the sameideas that Scoble wrote about (<a href="http://www.wrightin.gs/2006/09/zune_is_so_fing.html%29.The" rel="nofollow">http://www.wrightin.gs/2006/09/zune_is_so_fing....</a> biggest problem is that Microsoft is banking on this social sharing idea. Problem is that a lot of people have to own a Zune in order to share.I don\'t see that happening. Especially with a 1.0 product.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658165" class="dsq-comment-message">Here is the code Zune must live by:<br><br>The supreme law of the Bizarros\' home planet Htrae, as transcribed below:<br><br>BIZARRO CODE:<br><br>1. US DO OPPOSITE OF ALL EARTHLY THINGS!<br><br>2. US HATE BEAUTY! US LOVE UGLINESS!<br><br>3. IS BIG CRIME TO MAKE ANYTHING PERFECT ON BIZARRO WORLD!"<br><br>(Adventure Comics No. 286, Jul 1961)<br><a href="http://supermanica.info/wiki/index.php/Bizarro_Code" rel="nofollow">http://supermanica.info/wiki/index.php/Bizarro_...</a></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658163">NotWaiting</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658163" class="dsq-comment-message">thanks for the review!</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658162">mrbill</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658162" class="dsq-comment-message">Let\'s recap microsoft\'s efforts:<br><br>late to...<br>GUI OS - now dominates<br>word processor - now dominates<br>internet browser - now dominates<br>server OS - now dominates<br>pda software - now dominates<br>video games - now dominates<br><br>their next targets...<br>digital music<br>search technology<br><br>are you ready to count them out before the zune is even released?<br><br>hint...the xbox 360 is killing ps3. microsoft is already working on the third generation xbox.<br><br>and I ask you again, are you ready to count them out before the zune is even released?</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658161" href="http://gotshoo.com/wordpress/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">shoo</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658161" class="dsq-comment-message">Mr. Scoble,<br><br>The downfalls of Zune? I think every time Matt stumbled or diverted on a question - there was your down fall.<br><br>How come you can\'t share video?!? Possible answer is that Soap Box will fit into that equation. BS, that users were just looking to share music. Heard of YouTube?<br><br>I like the features, but as you made note, maybe 3.0.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658160">Podesta</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658160" class="dsq-comment-message">I think this the most telling of Robert\'s remarks is his claim that Zune offering subscriptions is somehow original and a \'killer feature.\'  Has he been asleep for the last five years or something?   The subscription services, combined, have less than 20 percent of the digital content market.<br><br>Bat Masterson is a master of cluelessness, but this really takes the cake:<br><br>"Regarding lack of Mac support:<br><br>This is not an issue. You know why? 99.99999% of Mac users will NOT choose a product against which Apple competes. They will choose the product that Jobs tells them to, end of story. That’s why there’s virtually zero (or only half-hearted at best) support for the Mac by other portable player makers. They know that Apple has that market locked up to themselves. The Windows market is much more competitive."<br><br>The Windows market belongs to Apple as much as the Mac market does when it comes to digital content and MP3 players.<br><br>(And, btw, Mac computer market share is above six percent now according to market analysts, not the three percent you make a habit of saying.   That\'s just the kind of foolishness I expect from someone who doesn\'t know the XBox is a loss leader.)<br><br>Microsoft fanboy apologia notwithstanding, the Zune will be an also ran for the foreseeable future.  (Assuming, of course, that M$ doesn\'t pull the plug altogether.)</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658158">Isaiah Watkins</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658158" class="dsq-comment-message">I think the point that Scoble has missed is that there is a LARGE market that Apple has not peretrated yet. The facts are that only 10% of homes(US) even own ONE PMP!!!! They arent trying to convert people who have 30,000 songs in iTunes or have multiple iPods in thier home. Microsoft wants the rest of the world that hasnt bought into iPod and if they can get 30-40% market share they are making MO\'MONEY MO\' MONEY MO\' MONEY.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658157">Christopher Coulter</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658157" class="dsq-comment-message">Only 2 profitable hits, been OS and Office, for all that "domination" nothing else has ever much paid off.<br><br>Here\'s the ADD-ON to your list. :)<br><br>late to...<br><br>Phones - Joke of a joke. Getting Symbian slaughtered. And as phones become more PDAish, even strict PDA domination will fade.<br>Tablet/Pen/UMPC tech - No one paying attention, all mostly wasted.<br>Web TV, Ultimate TV, MSN TV, Cable TV Ventures - Billions upon billions lost, but still puffing on that pipe with IPTV.<br>Web Servers - Apache deathtrap.<br>PDF copycats and eBook tech - DOA.<br>Graphics software - Ain\'t no Adobe.<br>Digital ID Tech - Passport? What\'s that?<br>Finance software - Microsoft Money, hahaha, do be serious.<br>Xbox/Xbox 360 - Both outsold by PS2, still BILLIONS! in the hole.<br>SPOT watches - Oh dear me.<br>OS - MSX and MSX-II. Grand Unified Vision, not.<br>Tech Toys - Microsoft Actimates...oh oh.<br>Web Conferencing Software - Dead already.<br>Content - MSNBC iffy, Slate, Sidewalk toasted, as countless other content partnerships. MSN Media Network the latest poke. Rathole.<br>Home Tech - Microsoft at Home (MAH)/Microsoft at Work (MAW) / BOB trainwrecks.<br>Hardware - Abandonware WiFi. Mouse and some halfway dominate still.<br><br>And more...and much more to come. I predict the Halo movie will be a Bonfire-like disaster.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658156" href="http://www.webomatica.com/wordpress/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">webomatica</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658156" class="dsq-comment-message">I\'m already hooked on Mac stuff so it would take something really awesome from the Zune to make me "switch". I have an iPod video and it\'s like another appendage. I\'m totally embedded in iTunes and the way it manages music and podcasts, and now videos.<br><br>The only thing that was intriguing to me about Zune was the wireless. At the minimum it should have allowed syncing with a PC to copy files. The sharing thing is interesting but not cool enough, since you need more than one Zune for it to have any point.<br><br>We\'ll see but I\'m predicting this is a loss leader and a doorstop to buy time for MSFT to come out with a better version 2 or 3.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658155" href="http://shannonclark.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">shannonclark</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658155" class="dsq-comment-message">A few other people have noted this but I would like to add to those who point out that Apple has been adding features to iPods via updates. Even my lowly 512mb shuffle has effectively been updated over time with some of the specific features that were missing when I first bought it (iTunes noting play times for items I played on the shuffle - and now it also tracks skipped songs).<br><br>Also re the podcast comment - my shuffle is almost entirely filled with podcasts. My daily routine is to run my podcatcher in the morning (Doppler Radio, still searching for anything as good for the mac) and then sync my shuffle (which is usually already connected and recharging overnight). I sync against a smart playlist of unplayed songs - so typically I fill my shuffle with 10-12hrs of podcasts - more than sufficient for my listening needs most days.<br><br>With the rare exception, I only use my shuffle to listen to podcasts - and though I may be an exception - I suspect I\'m not the only person. For me the shuffle has a great set of features - small, nearly indestructible, lightweight. I am tempted however to get one of the new shuffles - which are even smaller and the clip looks pretty useful as well (I usually use the lanyard currently).<br><br>I may also get a nano or bigger iPod in part due to the cross platform compatibility (I have an iMac and a Thinkpad)</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658154" href="http://blog.nordquist.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Brett Nordquist</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658154" class="dsq-comment-message">&gt;&gt;Which one ended up with more market share? The ones that the developers could extend the easiest.<br><br>Nice job. This is what I\'ve been saying but have been a bit more blunt. Just like the original Xbox was hackable, if the Zune is as hackable (such as being able to turn on Wifi to connect to network or there\'s a way to trade songs with no limitations, etc) then maybe it has a chance with the edge group. That same group that bought mod chips in order to turn the Xbox into a media center that played nearly everything.<br><br>But the Zune won\'t reach a mass audience like the iPod has. Women won\'t buy it. How many women do you see carrying around a the feature-rich iRiver players? It\'s not stylish and nothing from Microsoft will become as cool as anything from Apple.  J. Allard and the Xbox team couldn\'t pull it off this time around.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658153" href="http://blog.infurious.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">MJ</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658153" class="dsq-comment-message">"several people have told me they didn’t like the round control surface on the Zune because they were used to the iPod wheel and the Zune didn’t work the same way. Once you get used to it, the Zune is just fine (and offers a couple of advantages"<br><br>How do you know it\'s just fine when you get used to it? It\'s not just the controller hardware but the software also which you admittedly claim as:<br><br>"Software experience: unknown."<br><br>There\'s no substance here Robert. And claiming it\'s better at integration because it works with Media Centre and XBox? iPod works with Macs, PCs, Linux machines, cars, stereos...<br><br>Zune doesn\'t work with anything other than Microsoft platforms. And not taking podcasts into account? It\'s a stinker, Robert. An absolute stinker.<br><br>With WiFi, you\'d think that it would be perfect to stay up to date by the second with your RSS feeds (better screen too) and podcasts. An opportunity to be completely connected in a device designed for consumption rather than communication. But the WiFi is totally wasted and used solely  as a marketing tool to allow the labels to sell more music. And what\'s the chance that some enterprising scumbag will hack the WiFi and use it to share the first Zune viruses....<br><br>Zune is, by design, the ultimate antithesis of the iPod. Restrictive where iPod is accepting, open in areas that iPod would not go because those areas are not pro-consumer. Apple says "Don\'t Steal Music". Microsoft says "Buy Music Now".<br><br>Zune causes conversations and that\'s great. But they\'re all talking about how badly this device will fare. But shops will sell out anyway due to a stranglehold on the number of units released to shops. It\'s a bundle of marketing floss.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658147" href="http://thefact.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Yada</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658147" class="dsq-comment-message">I hate booth!</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658142">Vivek</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658142" class="dsq-comment-message">Scoble<br><br>It is increasingly becoming obvious that you are moving away from your role of a "reporter" to that of an arm-chair critic and the laundry list of know-it-all-comments that decorate your blog only perpetuates that belief of mine.<br><br>My 2 cents -<br><br>Corporates today only indulge you for historical reasons; they dont regard you as a credible source of input or information(except maybe for blogging and related matters)<br><br>Start reporting; Stop Opining. Opine on those things that you understand and are proficient at - corporate blogging, social networks, podcasts and so on.<br><br>Stick to the facts when reporting all else; else you sound hopefully inadequate and out of your depth.<br><br>Here\'s my take -<br><br>It really doesnt matter what 90% of 2% of a market owns or thinks of. The mp3 media market is largely untapped and there is going to be plenty of room for everybody without having to push and shove.<br><br>Please dont take my word for it - visit a country like India and you will understand what the drivers are. (after all this is the biggest retail opportunity outside of China isnt it?)<br><br>Buying an Ipod every 3 months is not it. Nor is having to break open a device to change batteries.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658143">Vivek</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658143" class="dsq-comment-message">Sorry - read that as "Hopelessly Inadequate". My bad.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658140" href="http://chronotron.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Chrono Cr@cker</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658140" class="dsq-comment-message">Nice Post Scoble, though I would like to know if there is a price differnece between teh Zune and the pod, perhaps that would enable me to buy it!</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658141">Dave</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658141" class="dsq-comment-message">Good post Robert. A few thoughts....<br><br>(1) Your comments about iPod updating isn\'t very accurate. From the updating itself all the way through thinking it could be a killer feature.<br><br>(2) The fact the Zune doesn\'t work on a Mac brings to mind that at the beginnning the iPod didn\'t work on Windows. In fact, the tipping point for the iPod was when the iTunes Windows client was released.<br><br>(3) I agree, Zune has no compelling features today. It is a single model with one or two - easily copied - features to differentiate it from an iPod. To me THIS is the major point to remember. Just as Microsoft can easily add podcast support to the Zune, Apple can add subscriptions.<br><br>(4) So they really ARE going to call it "Zune"? Sigh. At least it\'s a step in the right direction - much better than the 7 versions of Vista... each with enough syllables to insure it can never roll off the tongue.<br><br>But what exactly IS a zune? Zune? Or is it zUne? I mean, the original iPod was pretty much that - an easily removable peripheral that seamlessly integrated with a piece of software that downloaded music over the internet.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658139">Russ Henry</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658139" class="dsq-comment-message">I can check my e-mail at Star Bucks with a Zune.<br>Can you do that with an iPod? Just a thought; an old rumor I just started.<br><br>Drive the innovation.  Don\'t PM about the technology.<br><br>This is the forum to voice all of your wouldn\'t it be nice features for the teams that may or may not be listening.  PM = "piss &amp; Moan"  Be part of the solution. WHAT DO YOU THINK ?<br><br>Besides Robert said he would give his take on the technology after we told him our opinions. That\'s not armchairing, that\'s a wise blog guru.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658138" href="http://www.phillj.co.uk/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Phill:J</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658138" class="dsq-comment-message">am I the only person in the western world without an iPod ?</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658137" href="http://danasatriya.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">danasatriya</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658137" class="dsq-comment-message">go iPOD!!!!! :D</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658136" href="http://www.dotcult.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Ryan</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658136" class="dsq-comment-message">Good article Scoble..<br><br>as for the "can i do this, can i do this"... all of those features would rock, but they\'re all features that the music industry doesn\'t want you to do.  How much pressure did MS recieve from them?  I\'m sure there\'s a lot.<br><br>The Music industry would collectively shit themselves if you were given a handheld device that played multi DRM formats, recorded radio, let you download music on the fly.<br><br>also, I\'m sick of the indsutry using "podcast", and "ipod compatible".<br><br>My Jeep has had an audio in jack in it\'s stereo years before the ipod was dreampt of.  It\'s not ipod compatible, it\'s audio in.  (great for road trips.. hook up laptop through car speakers, watch movie)<br><br>It\'s genious marketing though. Almost a "brand hijack".  How many people actually buy ipods to listen to "podcasts"... and why did we need a name other than "audio file"?</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658135" href="http://dmatriz.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">dmatriz</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658135" class="dsq-comment-message">HEY SCHO, I LIKE YOUR STATS &amp; REVIEWS... YET IF YOUR REVIEW IS BIASED ON ZUNE THEN YOU MAY BE QUITE WRONG! APPLE DOES DESERVE THE DESIGN ON "i-POD"! YET M$ SEEMS TO ADAPT THE SAME...NICE BLOGGING...</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658134">Anthony</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658134" class="dsq-comment-message">There\'s one significant problem with the subscription feature - having to give Microsoft a credit card for recurring payments. I had a paid hotmail account for a while (so I could get POP access). It was super easy to sign up on the web page. When I no longer needed it, it was super hard to cancel. There is no way to cancel online. I had to call. It wasn\'t easy to find the number. The place was only open certain hours (which didn\'t match my needs). The first time I called their "computer was down" and I had to call back the next day. Then of course the mandatory grilling to find out why I was leaving. Overall a really bad customer experience which ensured I will never sign up for a Microsoft paid service again. Back-end service quality matters at least as much as the product itself.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658131" href="http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Robert Scoble</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658131" class="dsq-comment-message">Vivek: I\'ve never done much reporting here, even when I worked back at Microsoft. There is an unsubscribe button on your News Aggregator for a reason. You might be happier reading my Link Blog where I just link to other bloggers who are doing a good job.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658128">TK</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658128" class="dsq-comment-message">I will not buy an iPod.  I will not buy a Zune.<br><br>In my opinion, they are just overpriced "junk".  Plus, I don\'t want to "fit-in" with the rest.  People look pathetic wearing their iPods on their backpacks or on their arms so they could "show it off".  Sad.<br><br>We are like cookies from a massive cookie cutter machine.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658126" href="http://davortech.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Davor</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658126" class="dsq-comment-message">How stable is Zune? Does it crashes? Does it have viruses?  Battery life? Just a few thoughts...</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658124">Andy Freeman</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658124" class="dsq-comment-message">Only geeks currently know what updating means, and they know that an update can reduce functionality.  The Vista license says that MS reserves the right to degrade the OS.  (If an update makes it impossible to do something that I could do before and I want to do said something, thats a degrade.)<br><br>Yes, Apple can degrade IPods through upgrades, but MS is the one with the bad reputation in this area.  That\'s an obstacle that Zune has to overcome.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658125">devils_advocate</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658125" class="dsq-comment-message">Robert - It feels sick everytime you ask someone to \'unsubscribe\' just because they disagree with you or criticize. Not something a \'book author\' would do regularly.<br><br>I am thinking how your blog entry would like if your car manufacturer told you to stop using \'their car\' bcos you complained...</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658122">Rich</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658122" class="dsq-comment-message">I tried to force my daughter down the path of Napster and Creative player, I wanted her to have access to all these songs without worrying about pay-per-download. Blew up in my face. Subscription services to-go were WAY too confusing for her (and even for me). Sometimes they would just stop working. And of course she now wants -- and really always wanted -- an iPod.<br><br>I think there\'s a market for an Apple alternative -- isn\'t that a funny concept -- that will just slowly grow over time. Remember Internet Explorer, Microsoft MP3 player will have a similar path but ending I think more at 50-50, which would be a huge Apple long-term success story.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658118">totoro</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658118" class="dsq-comment-message">best comment so far? #60, and mrbill!<br><br>"hint…the xbox 360 is killing ps3. microsoft is already working on the third generation xbox.<br>and I ask you again, are you ready to count them out before the zune is even released?"<br><br>anyone else see the humor in this? :D</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658121">david zotter</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658121" class="dsq-comment-message">Zune will not live up to the hype.<br><br>Seriously...is this the best MSFT can do?<br>If so, they are dooomed.....and I hate to say it being a MSFT fanboy for years.<br><br>This is about design... the design doesn\'t even come close.<br><br>Best,<br>E. David Zotter</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658117" href="http://zune60.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Sportsunit</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658117" class="dsq-comment-message">Great article Robert.  It seemed rather fair to both the Ipod and Zune.  In all actuality, this will be a very interesting battle.  The Ipod lemmings think it will go one way, the MS fanboys obviously think it will go the other.  I\'m a subscription music listener for life.  I just can\'t go back to the pay per song model.  Currently, I use a sandisk with AOL Music Now.  I get good mileage out of it.  But, I want a traditional several-gig beast with the slickness of a Gigabeat S that also features subscription music.   With that being said, the Zune is an obvious choice for me.  It\'s not really about the cool factor or anything else.  If Apple offered subscriptions, then I\'d give them a look.  Until then, I have no reason to look their way.  And since I\'ll be buying this 249 dollar device, they may be out of the picture for several years. And by the way, brown is the new white.  People either love it or hate it, and talk about a conversation piece...I can see people defending it now with heated battles ensuing, and you can be sure the Ipod lemmings will attack it venemously.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658116" href="http://channel64.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Nescio</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658116" class="dsq-comment-message">so who want on the list for testing the Commodore Gravel in-Pocket ;-)<br><br>Robert and others feel more than free to give suggestions for our device. Btw we will release a SDK for develop and share your own apps for the Gravel devices.<br><br>cheers,</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658115">Rohit</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658115" class="dsq-comment-message">A good post about Robert\'s view. If intrested check it out here<br><a href="http://www.zunester.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.zunester.com/</a><br><br>Its from a guy from Zune\'s team.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658114">Vivek</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658114" class="dsq-comment-message">Oh I will unsubscribe not because you opine but because you can\'t seem to stomach criticism - it looks like only conformism works with you. I am ok with that.<br><br>I will take my 2 cents and my eyeballs elsewhere.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658110">Russ Henry</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658110" class="dsq-comment-message">MS Future Team: How about a cool prox viewing feature where xBox players can transmit the current game to Zune units within a 50 foot radius if the option is selected on multiple Zunes.<br><br>How many kids would like the "watch me kick his but in blah blah " game function. Talk about connecting. The new spectator sport while waiting to take on the competition and gaining strategy. I could hear it now "Get him! Look out ! etc. " Just a thought for the Zune team.  Robert ask Patrick what he thinks about the idea-r. Was that you in Bldg 42 on the 3rd Floor? ; )  Say hi to Bill.<br><br>Stealth blogging at its best. No not yet.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658112" href="http://kamlabhatt.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">kamlabhatt</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658112" class="dsq-comment-message">This is a very useful comparison for buying.<br><br>I have had a case of Hamlet: Do be or not be in the iPod camp. But your post nailed the decision for me.<br><br>I was waiting to get the word on Zune before making a decision. Guess iPod is the way to go, especially if your son did not see anything different in Zune. The young ones are the harbingers for any kind of traction in the gadget world.<br><br>Thanks for the review.<br><br>Kamla<br><br>kamla</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658109" class="dsq-comment-header">\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658109">Russ Narei</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658109" class="dsq-comment-message">First, Apple is not sitting around waiting for competitors to catch up.  It continues to improve and innovate even though it\'s on top.  Zune may add features and updates, but in that time frame, iPods will also.<br><br>Second, the Mac\'s market share of personal computers is low. That\'s all personal computers in all uses including enterprise. In home use where iPods and Zunes will compete, Macs have a larger market share that the stats quoted by some here.  Based on past Microsoft behavior, we would eventurally expect Zune for Mac.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658108" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658108" href="http://www.thenewmarketing.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Wade Rockett</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658108" class="dsq-comment-message">The Macintosh incompatibility and podcast-unfriendliness are total deal breakers for me.<br><br>When I bought my iPod, I thought that I\'d mostly use it to listen to music. As it turns out, podcasts have become my media of choice - I listen to them on my commutes to and from work, and most of my news and current events information come from podcasts (and textcasts.)<br><br>I\'m sure that podcast support will be added to the Zune in later versions. But until then, given my listening habits, it makes no sense for me to switch.<br><br>And I use Windows at work, but an iBook at home. So I need my device to function with both.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658107">Podesta</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658107" class="dsq-comment-message">There\'s still someone who thinks he can use Wi-Fi to check his mail on a Zune as much as the limitations of its Wi-Fi have been discussed?<br><br>Vivek, the digital media content market is not even remotely about backwaters like India.   For the time being and the foreseeable future this is a First World matter.  Heck, even much of Europe still does not have full iTunes Store access.<br><br>Isaiah, about a quarter of Americans currently own or have accesss to MP3 players.   It puzzles me that people like you and Bat Masterson just pull some arbitary figure out of the air instead of checking market research.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658105">Raman</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658105" class="dsq-comment-message">I am afraid I have to agree with Vivek. No offence, Robert but I will go elsewhere as well.<br><br>When viewers who disagree with you are continually advised to unsubscribe, your blog begins to lost its objectivity.<br><br>Thanks a lot for the good information and witty comments, Robert. Time for me to move on!</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658101" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658101" href="http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Robert Scoble</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658101" class="dsq-comment-message">Vivek and Raman: this is my blog. Sorry you don\'t like it. Have fun reading something else. I don\'t want to be a "reporter." If you expect me to be one, you probably will be happier over at <a href="http://news.com" rel="nofollow">news.com</a> or ZDNet or somewhere like that.<br><br>What you get here is what I want to talk about. Period. To expect something else will get you the reaction I just gave. Go somewhere else. It\'s obvious you want to read someone else.<br><br>As for taking criticism, I get tons of criticism. I think my record on listening and understanding criticism is unparalleled. If you think it\'s not, then maybe you aren\'t a smart reader and you might be happier reading someone else who doesn\'t expect a reader to be smart.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658100" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658100" href="http://www.fratpackpodcast.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Kevin Crossman</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658100" class="dsq-comment-message">"I remember being in a meeting at Microsoft where someone showed off how much better the iPod experience"<br><br>I think you meant Apple for this sentence.<br><br>Regarding the ability for Zune to update itself, how does this differ from Apple\'s ability to send iPod firmware updates through iTunes?</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658099">Bat Masterson</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658099" class="dsq-comment-message">Robert, Apple does provide software updates for iPods.  I don\'t know where you got the idea that they didn\'t.  Unless it\'s that you buy so many iPods for yourself and your son, that your purchases are more frequent than the software updates themselves; so you\'re getting the new software via hardware purchases. ;-)</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658097">Bat Masterson</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658097" class="dsq-comment-message">Podesta, you completely missed my point.<br><br>My point was that Mac users will choose Apple products regardless.  So it makes no sense for a portable media player to go after the Mac user market.  Your response that "Apple owns the Windows market just as much as the Mac market" (wrt mp3 players) is irrelevant to my point.  The Windows market is more wide-open to competition from multiple companies.  With the Mac market, competition basically dies once Apple introduces a product in a particular field, because Mac users ignore and mock competing products from that point on.  I\'ve been a Mac user since 1986 and a Windows user since 1990.  I know of which I speak.  If anyone is "clueless" it\'s you.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658095" href="http://www.zunerama.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">frabgod</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658095" class="dsq-comment-message">If Zune Version 1 is as good as I\'m seeing it, and if Microsoft stays committed to its success (as they have with Xbox), then I\'m in.<br>The subscription service, the screen size, the built-in FM, the cool UI, and sure, the wireless sharing, are good enough to put it over iPod for me.<br>It\'s been well thought out, and I think we\'ll see many of the holes - like podcasting - filled painlessly in firmware releases.<br><br>- Harvey<br><a href="http://www.zunerama.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.zunerama.com</a></div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658096" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658096" href="http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Robert Scoble</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658096" class="dsq-comment-message">Kevin: no, I meant at Microsoft. We were in a meeting where we were talking about what the iPod did right.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658094">Christopher Coulter</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658094" class="dsq-comment-message">What the iPod did right, everything Sony did not.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658092" class="dsq-comment-header">\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658092">Podesta</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658092" class="dsq-comment-message">Whoa, Nellyf.  Bat, you said:<br><br>"My point was that Mac users will choose Apple products regardless. So it makes no sense for a portable media player to go after the Mac user market. Your response that “Apple owns the Windows market just as much as the Mac market” (wrt mp3 players) is irrelevant to my point. The Windows market is more wide-open to competition from multiple companies. With the Mac market, competition basically dies once Apple introduces a product in a particular field, because Mac users ignore and mock competing products from that point on. I’ve been a Mac user since 1986 and a Windows user since 1990. I know of which I speak. If anyone is “clueless” it’s you."<br><br>To support your position, you must explain why products such as Microsoft Office and Microsoft mice are so popular with Mac users.  After all, there are Apple and non-M$ third party alternatives.  Take all the space you need to \'educate\' us.<br><br>When you\'ve done with that, DO explain why you believe Apple computers have three percent of the U.S.  market.<br><br>If Zune were The Perfect Pod, it would indeed eat into iPod market share quickly.  The reason it will not is that it is not even competitive.<br><br><br>Robert, perhaps if you describe your blog as being an expression of opinion in your masthead people like the fellows who are leaving will not get so huffy when opinion is what they get.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658091">Larry</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658091" class="dsq-comment-message">I just don\'t get why anyone would purchase this product.<br><br>1. MicroSoft has been saying different things for years re: why the iPod will fail and Microsoft\'s offerings would prevail. None of their prognostications have proved true. As a result, MicroSoft lacks credibility (see failed positioning statements below), the one thing you can\'t buy.<br><br>2. WiFi etc are features that are easily duplicatable.  Why would anyone purchase a product for a feature that can so easliy be added (and for which patents from Apple already exist)?<br><br>Failed MicroSoft positioning statements:<br>* people want choice in their music playing hardware<br>* people want subscription services<br>* everything is moving to cell phones<br>* we beat Apple in the 90\'s and we\'ll beat Apple again in music.<br><br>The company, in my humble opinion, is tilting at too many Windmills.<br><br>It\'s getting really sad to watch this.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658093">Some Guy</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658093" class="dsq-comment-message">Zune is already over.  It\'s fading out just like that "Origami" abortion a couple of months back.<br><br>I forget who it was that first wrote this, but I agree with it 100%:  How many times have you wanted to hand someone a song that you\'re listening to on your iPod?  Lots of times, right?  Now, how many times have you wanted to hand someone a song that will vanish in three days?  Never in your life, right?</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658090">Some Guy</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658090" class="dsq-comment-message">Ok, I\'ve just watched the video.  The dude talking about "the product" is an utterly interchangeable generic marketing dink, who would be just as enthusiastic about chicken McNuggets as he is about this thing he\'s hawking.  He nearly always refers to it as "the product", not "zune", not "the music player", not "MY music player".<br><br>Kawasaki could use this video as the textbook case of how NOT to be an effective evangelist.  For crying out loud, he DIDN\'T EVEN KNOW the resolution of the display!  That clown is a perfect fit for the Zoon:  they\'re both worthless.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658089">Goebbels</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658089" class="dsq-comment-message">Heck, Podesta, he has to explain how Mac users don\'t use anything non-Apple, but he admits that he\'s a Mac user that uses Windows. Duh. How\'s that for clueless?</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658085">Diego</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658085" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658085" class="dsq-comment-message">"I tried to force my daughter down the path of Napster and Creative player"<br><br>Forced your daughter to use a Creative player? That\'s gotta be some form of child abuse! :)</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658081" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658081" href="http://insearchoffootball.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">insearchoffootball</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658081" class="dsq-comment-message">i remember the days of napster .. the kings of P2P sharing ... and the first to get drilled becasue of it</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658082" href="http://jean.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">jean</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658082" class="dsq-comment-message">check the pics of zune vs ipod<br><br><a href="http://www.irintech.com/x1/blogarchive.php?id=294" rel="nofollow">http://www.irintech.com/x1/blogarchive.php?id=294</a></div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658103" href="http://radaronpaws.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">radaronpaws</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658103" class="dsq-comment-message">I think that all the people who are freaking out that Scoble is a human with opinions and is not a "reporter" are confused. Does the blog state anywhere that this is news reporting? No. 99% of all the crap on the internet posted as fact is opinion, so why can\'t Scoble openly have opinions and post about them without getting jumped by a bunch of cranks?<br><br>Lighten up. Quit holding other people to standards that your comments clearly indicate you aren\'t holding yourselves to (ouch - yeah, take THAT banana up the tailpipe).</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658078" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658078">Russ Henry</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658078" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658078" class="dsq-comment-message">"As for taking criticism, I get tons of criticism."<br><br>Mr. Scoble has flamed a few who may “Knit” pick spelling, grammer, etc.  I have never observed an attack on logic other than “I do not agree”.<br><br>Robert, "crits" may be a cry for help and recognition.<br><br>Just a Grain of Salt from Salty me.<br>IMHO,IMHO,IMHO,IMHO,IMH OOOO</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658257" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658257" href="http://mikecane.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">mikecane</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658257" class="dsq-comment-message"><a href="http://mikecane.wordpress.com/2006/10/02/the-future-is-social/" rel="nofollow">http://mikecane.wordpress.com/2006/10/02/the-fu...</a></div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658259" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658259">Martin Spedding</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658259" class="dsq-comment-message">I suppose the thing for me is that both products suffer from the same problem, the battery is not replaceable by the purchaser. This makes them an expensive piece of dispensable technology and so I would not buy either of them. Also the ipod does not play all formats and offers less features than comparable devices. I know that Apple is a marketing company rather than a technology company but I would have thought by now there would have been a backlash.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658260">Bat Masterson</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658260" class="dsq-comment-message">Goebbels, you have some nerve calling me "clueless" when you choose to name yourself after a Nazi propagandist who murdered his own children.<br><br>And to both you and Podesta, I said 99.999% of Mac users will not choose a non-Apple product over an Apple alternative, not 100%, you clueless buffoons.  Oh, and my throwing out that 99.999% figure is known as "hyperbole", a rhetorical device that is exaggeration in order to make a point.  What distinguishes hyperbole from exaggerations that are meant to deceive, is that both the speaker and the listener recognize hyperbole for what it is rather than taking it literally.  Unfortunately neither of you two are intelligent enough to recognize hyperbole, so you  take hyperbolic statements literally and then attack them as lies or whatever.  Truly pathetic.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658256" href="http://ipr.ira.uka.de/perso/schneider/schneider.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Etienne S.</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658256" class="dsq-comment-message">Maybe someone can explain me why the hell the Ipod is soo much cool, and "we have to have one".<br><br>No, I don\'t troll. Just I don\'t understand:<br>there is now a lot, lot, lot of MP3 players, and they are all very easy to use: plug it in your PC/Mac, then drag and drop the MP3s (with or without DRM, if the firmware allows that, that is good), put in your playlist generated with whatever tool (The Godfather, Winamp, Foobar, etc.), and that\'s it. You have the music you want, or more exactly the sound you want (I mean it can be music, show, podcast, etc.).<br><br>OK, the capacity is not on the level of the Ipod or hard drive equipped MP3 players, but my... How many hours of "sound" can you put on a device like that and really listen to?<br><br>On the other side, I found PDAphone to be the Ipod killer *for* *me* I mean: small computer, with MP3 capabilities, video, phone, etc. Developpers can extend it very easily (with the SDK). And for the memory, well, you are currently limited to 4GB, seems tp be ridiculous compared to HDD... But no mechanical parts, means (usually) longer life for the support. The weak part being the battery I admit.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658243">Goebbels</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658243" class="dsq-comment-message">"Goebbels, you have some nerve calling me “clueless” when you choose to name yourself after a Nazi propagandist who murdered his own children."<br><br>Why does my nick make me clueless. You go on and on about hyperbole, but I can\'t use both hyperbole and irony in my nickname at a propagandist\'s site?<br><br>How hyperbolic are you being? Is it 75%, 50% of Mac users? What? 50% of Mac users would still be 10 million more Zune users than MS has now. Isn\'t it somewhat clueless to make a claim that you yourself are 100% a contradiction of?</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658236">Steele</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658236" class="dsq-comment-message">Goebbels, your point in calling yourself "Goebbels" is a shot at Scoble for being a "propagandist?"  For whom is he spreading propaganda?  Sure, he sings the unqualified praises of Google more than I would, but I wouldn\'t call it "propaganda".</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658235">Goebbels</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658235" class="dsq-comment-message">Steele, I\'ve been commenting here for over 4 years. You know the time period when he worked for a certain company that had a better media plan than Apple, etc...</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658210">stephen</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658210" class="dsq-comment-message">doods im 15 and i want a zune, forget the ipod because it doesnt have the WI-FI FEATURE! IF ALL KIDS HAD This wi-fi feature on the i-pod of course the zune isn\'t anything, but i think zune will take over!!!!!!!!!!!</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658255" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658255" href="http://miniaturemage.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">MiniMage</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658255" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658255" class="dsq-comment-message">"Can I use my iPod music on it that I’ve purchased on iTunes? No."<br>Is this a theoretical question?  I thought you told us you didn\'t put up with CRAP.<br><a href="http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/2006/03/27/does-your-product-have-c-r-a-p/" rel="nofollow">http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/2006/03/27/does...</a></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658251">Jon T</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658251" class="dsq-comment-message">"If software developers are enabled to build new experiences for the Zune, then we could see something killer come along that’ll get more people interested in the Zune."<br><br>NO! A bunch of developers doing uncoordinated bits and bobs here and there takes you back to why MS needed to try a Zune in its closed environment- a closed, perfectly created and perfectly executed environment that delivers...<br><br>No signs of that yet, because it lacks 1) imagination 2) innovation and 3) passion.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658206" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658206" href="http://www.wtfpeople.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Will</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658206" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658206" class="dsq-comment-message">Scoble is STILL Microsoft\'s bitch.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658180" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658180">Podesta</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658180" class="dsq-comment-message">BM said:  "Unfortunately neither of you two are intelligent enough to recognize hyperbole, so you take hyperbolic statements literally and then attack them as lies or whatever. Truly pathetic."<br><br>So, Bat Masterson is still at it on this old thread?  Still putting down Apple in a doomed effort to score brownie points with Microsoft by brownnosing Scoble.    He is not the only sycophant around here (that MacBeach guy is quite competitive) but I must say his efforts are particularly embarrasing. (If Bat Masterson were capable of embarrassment, that is.)<br><br>Etienne said:<br><br>"No, I don’t troll. Just I don’t understand: there is (sic) now a lot, lot, lot of MP3 players, and they are all very easy to use: plug it in your PC/Mac, then drag and drop the MP3s (with or without DRM, if the firmware allows that, that is good), put in your playlist generated with whatever tool (The Godfather, Winamp, Foobar, etc.), and that’s it. You have the music you want, or more exactly the sound you want (I mean it can be music, show, podcast, etc.).<br><br>Not really, Etienne.  Other MP3 players  are not competitive with iPod/iTunes for many reasons.  I suggest you actually read this thread to learn what those reasons are.<br><br>Winking at Will.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658261">mike</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658261" class="dsq-comment-message">"Updateability: better than iPod (if I were Apple I’d worry about this)."<br><br>Apple has had this for ages... Once a new iPod is released, software update will update your iPod software..<br><br>The problem, what he didn\'t say, is when they actually update the hardware, you cannot \'update\' your old Zune to .. \'catch up\'... it\'s a hardware update..<br><br>But new features etc, are always updated through Software Update... not new</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658252" href="http://notcatweazle.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Wesley Parish</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658252" class="dsq-comment-message">phill:j, you\'re not the only individual in the Western World, whatever that is, and however that is defined, who lacks an iPod.<br><br>Microsoft\'s problem is of course, its usual bull-at-a-gate charge at the (perceived) problem, shedding money like a snake its skin, and sense like a desperate maiden aunt at a too-readily available tradesman.<br><br>Perhaps if it took another look at the issue, and asked what other things a Zune could do, to integrate the Zune with the massive prior investment in computer software and hardware, its chances might look a little more hopeful.<br><br>What I\'m thinking of, is this - how many of us have more than one computer?  How many of us have sound cards, etc, for each computer?  How many of us would rather have a single node for that function, networked to all the other computers and capable of connecting seamlessly to whatever operating system we are currently using?<br><br>And Microsoft hasn\'t seen that?  I think that desperate maiden aunt comparison might be a trifle unfair to maiden aunts, who aren\'t usually that stupid - maybe a headless chicken is a better comparison.<br><br>Just my 0.02c - inflation again! ;)<br><br>Wesley Parish</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658248" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658248" href="http://www.ipodcorrectors.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Patrick Sturgill</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658248" class="dsq-comment-message">I wonder if the Zune will have less hardware problems than Apple\'s MP3 player.  As someone who operates an iPod repair site:  <a href="http://www.ipodcorrectors.com" rel="nofollow">www.ipodcorrectors.com</a> I see dozens and dozens of the same problems each and every week.  Perhaps Zune will take note of these issues and make an improved MP3 player.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658237">Goebbels</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658237" class="dsq-comment-message">Wow, dozens of repairs per week versus tens of millions sold per quarter! Don\'t try to whore your business with a lame comment masking the spam!</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658238" href="http://www.joemagicdeveloper.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Joe</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658238" class="dsq-comment-message">What about SOUND QUALITY??<br><br>It\'s the Zune any better?<br><br>The iPod sound is just rubbish (I still use it and all my kids have one BUT it\'s the greatest disappointment I\'ve found)</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658249" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658249" href="http://www.paraglidetandem.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Paraglide Tandem</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658249" class="dsq-comment-message">I have a Motorola Q phone with @ gig Sd card and Motorola Bluetooth wireless headset and Ipod 80 gig ( love the Ipod and can barely tolerate using media player on windows smartphone) Perhaps MSFt could take a subset of Zune player and sell it to Smartphone or PoCket PC devices that already have some wireless capabilities and a lot more market presence.<br><br> I have owned several Creative and I-River products over the last few years. Ease of use and synching music were continual pains so much that I eventually switched to Ipod photo a few years ago.<br><br>For me ease of use and a fast response from the device while scrolling or searching among songs podcasts videos and photos is most important.<br><br>I like to fly a paraglider using the wireless  blue tooth headset and using my q phone , but for most day to day music and podcast listening I use the IPOD. I would more likely buy a Ipod like device with bluetooth built in and wireless headphones.<br><br>I would use that feature much more than using WIFI to share music. If the useability of wireless sharing is not pain free (if it takes too long or is too much hassle to share songs wirelessly ), it degrades the value of including that feature.<br><br> I agree that Zune has no compelling must have features yet. Third party plugin\'s would be a great idea to extend its value.<br><br>Does ZUNE have any ease of use features like:<br><br>Ability to delete song from device directly without docking to computer<br>Easily create and manage playlists<br>Find a song among thousands of songs<br><br>Did the Zune product managers ask any mainstream users what their priorities would be to improve the Ipod for useability ?<br><br>Zune is trying to create a splash with features that may not be compelling to people most likely to buy such devices..</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658247">Jeff Langer</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658247" class="dsq-comment-message">Zune is like X-box the real deal, Apple has the lead but Microsoft has the money and ability take a giant bite out of (tiny) Apple, few people are seeing what\'s going to happen.  MSFT is going to take Apple to school just like it\'s did to ADM, Playstation, Google and soon Apple.  Mr. Softie has a lot of cash and the ability to pay for private companies to improve a great product which I-pod is but to make it better, over the course of time Apple and Google will bleed red and Microsoft will continue to be the greatest technology company on the planet.  If you think that Apple has won the war you are a fool, the war has just begun, buy MSFT and Zune and admit the big dog always get\'s the bone!</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658104">Dude</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658104" class="dsq-comment-message">Dude, you cant write this stuff based on shit. For all you know is that the software upgradeablility will allow for hardware change (wireless purchasing). Microsoft even says that the whole point to this project is to test the ability of the Zune. Plus your kid is most likly a fag. Sorry to break the truth, but I purchased a Creative Zen Vision M, and guess what, everyone talks to me about my deviece.<br><br>Some kid with ipod: "hey what you got there?"<br>Your kid: "a brand new iPod"<br>Some Kid: "o thats nice/cool"<br>END<br><br>Some Kid: "hey wat you got there?"<br>Me " A zune/ZVM/(whatever, not ipod)"<br>Some Kid: "Sweet, whats it do? How much did it cost, asks to see it, blah blah blah..." and eventually admits that he should have bought one. Why, because apple dominates with commmercials, if these better/ same priced MP3/4 players actually did public advertising, then some progress would be made. Plus everyone seems to think that MS has no potential to be "more creative" than Apple. This is simply stupid and wrong, all they do is hire someone better than the guys at apple... DONE!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658087" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658087" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658087" href="http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Home/9F60D74A-0E27-4F5F-B88D-835974628809.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Deen Ross</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658087" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658087" class="dsq-comment-message">The iPod\'s 2.5” display is smaller, but the 3” Zune and last year\'s iPod both offer the same resolution. The Zune\'s slightly larger display is still showing the same number of dots; they\'ll just be more obviously pixelated because each dot is larger. The lower pixel density of the Zune\'s screen means its display can only be less sharp.<br><br>This flaw is exaggerated by Microsoft\'s Vista-esque choice of using soft alpha transparency throughout the Zune interface. This makes for nice marketing photos, but makes it harder to navigate through screens when focusing on other things: walking, driving, exercising, riding a bike, or other things iPod users do.<br><br>While neither the iPod nor the Zune provide a cinematic movie experience, there is no benefit to having a slightly larger screen at the same resolution in a handheld device, apart from possibly lower battery life.<br><br>Go to this link for more info:<br><a href="http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Home/9F60D74A-0E27-4F5F-B88D-835974628809.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Home/9F60D74A-...</a></div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658250" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658250">damien</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658250" class="dsq-comment-message">I read someplace that "J Allard plays chess... [other developers] play checkers."<br><br>It seems this way with the Xbox and Zune. With these two, he could build such an impressive ecosystem that extends way beyond just a PMP and computer.<br><br>Also, the "update-ability" of the Zune sounds nice. Especially if they have an update waiting to come out as soon as the product drops! I wonder what features it will unlock!<br><br>Maybe they should put him in charge of breathing new life into the media center boxes.<br><br>(Oh... and I am a Mac/iPod user.)</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658242" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658242" href="http://theintechpodcast.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">mark henley</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658242" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658242" class="dsq-comment-message">OOBE? they already have songs, pics, and videos on it so i think its pretty flashy out of the box</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658166" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658166" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658166">Richard Johnson</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658166" class="dsq-comment-message">The thing is that MS is basically not cool. All the Zune websites there are, are quite frankly nauseating. With captions like " Hey Dude Youv\'e got  a Zune" is MS trying to sound hip and trendy. Sorry MS your\'e not perceived as cool. You do OK software which because everyone else uses everyone is FORCED to get but don\'t try and get and make money out of one of my greatest pleasures, listening to music. I\'ll be getting an Ipod.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658164" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658164">LK</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658164" class="dsq-comment-message">Good Article overall. There are some inaccuracies (ipods cannot be update, etc) but hey, the rest of the article is still good..<br><br>If somebody goes to a shop to buy a gift for christmas this year, they would already know about the ipod family and their goodiness. They might have heard about Zune. Taking into a/c the feature rich ipod and also the varieties available to suit different budgets, I think a majority of them will buy an ipod. (If sony hadn\'t f***ed up the ps3 release, they might have considered that instead).. So, the fate for this holidays season is pretty much sealed I think...<br><br>So, the question is, what about next year and the future? Its difficult to see what will happen beyond the next year. Now, I would be surprised if Apple doesn\'t have a newer version or flavor of ipod up its sleeve. I think we all will get to see a lot of fun next year...<br><br>Anyway, keep up your good work...</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658151" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658151" href="http://mikecane.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">mikecane</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658151" class="dsq-comment-message"><a href="http://mikecane.wordpress.com/2006/11/10/live-zunes-in-nyc-to-fondle/" rel="nofollow">http://mikecane.wordpress.com/2006/11/10/live-z...</a><br><br><a href="http://mikecane.wordpress.com/2006/11/10/zune-fondle/" rel="nofollow">http://mikecane.wordpress.com/2006/11/10/zune-f...</a></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658149" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658149" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658149">Batgirl</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658149" class="dsq-comment-message">Meow</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658113" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658113" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658113">Tech028</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658113" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658113" class="dsq-comment-message">I know people that have itunes 5.0 and still have the 1.1 firmware on their iPods... event in iTunes it takes 30 seconds to upgrade.. there is know way that upgradability is a killer feature... most people don\'t care to upgrade.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658146" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658146" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658146">David</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658146" class="dsq-comment-message">If the zune has WiFi then it will be so easy to update and give it more features. And im sure people will make cracks to get by the feature where when you send a song to a friend you can only listen to it 3 times... People always make cracks or other utilites for Mp3 players. The Ipod has linux where you can play  lots of different games and stuff. So im sure people will take advantage of the Wifi on the zune.<br><br><a href="mailto:david_A_2263@hotmail.com" rel="nofollow">david_A_2263@hotmail.com</a></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658127" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658127" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658127">Brad</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658127" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658127" class="dsq-comment-message">First of all, as mentioned on other zune sites and forums, Zune is not releasing any special wifi qualities such as wifi internet connection because they believed that buyers may think that it is too complicated to work and will warn other buyers not to purchase it because of the complications. They will however release different types of wifi interactions such as wireless syncing and internet access. Zune blew Ipod out of the water on this. If anyone has a PSP I\'m sure you are aware that when they first came out they didn\'t have a web browser either, but they (like the zune) were able to update the network. This is were ipod goes under. File sharing is a neat quality to have because it introduces new artists to people but does not allow them to keep the songs permanantly, therefore making the user of the zune want to purchase more songs. The bigger screen also is a great success by microsoft. You can switch it to landscape so the screen isnt nearly as small as the Ipod. Overall, yes, Zune does have a good chance in this run.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658132" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658132">Brad</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658132" class="dsq-comment-message">First of all, as mentioned on other zune sites and forums, Zune is not releasing any special wifi qualities such as wifi internet connection because they believed that buyers may think that it is too complicated to work and will warn other buyers not to purchase it because of the complications. They will however release different types of wifi interactions such as wireless syncing and internet access. Zune blew Ipod out of the water on this. If anyone has a PSP I\'m sure you are aware that when they first came out they didn\'t have a web browser either, but they (like the zune) were able to update the network. This is were ipod goes under. File sharing is a neat quality to have because it introduces new artists to people but does not allow them to keep the songs permanantly, therefore making the user of the zune want to purchase more songs. The bigger screen also is a great success by microsoft. You can switch it to landscape so the screen isnt nearly as small as the Ipod. Overall, yes, Zune does have a good chance in this run.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658133" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658133">Brad</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658133" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658133" class="dsq-comment-message">First of all, as mentioned on other zune sites and forums, Zune is not releasing any special wifi qualities such as wifi internet connection because they believed that buyers may think that it is too complicated to work and will warn other buyers not to purchase it because of the complications. They will however release different types of wifi interactions such as wireless syncing and internet access. Zune blew Ipod out of the water on this. If anyone has a PSP I\'m sure you are aware that when they first came out they didn\'t have a web browser either, but they (like the zune) were able to update the network. This is were ipod goes under. File sharing is a neat quality to have because it introduces new artists to people but does not allow them to keep the songs permanantly, therefore making the user of the zune want to purchase more songs. The bigger screen also is a great success by microsoft. You can switch it to landscape so the screen isnt nearly as small as the Ipod. Overall, yes, Zune does have a good chance in this run.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658129" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658129" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658129">Brad Smith</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658129" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658129" class="dsq-comment-message">First of all, as mentioned on other zune sites and forums, Zune is not releasing any special wifi qualities such as wifi internet connection because they believed that buyers may think that it is too complicated to work and will warn other buyers not to purchase it because of the complications. They will however release different types of wifi interactions such as wireless syncing and internet access. Zune blew Ipod out of the water on this. If anyone has a PSP I\'m sure you are aware that when they first came out they didn\'t have a web browser either, but they (like the zune) were able to update the network. This is were ipod goes under. File sharing is a neat quality to have because it introduces new artists to people but does not allow them to keep the songs permanantly, therefore making the user of the zune want to purchase more songs. The bigger screen also is a great success by microsoft. You can switch it to landscape so the screen isnt nearly as small as the Ipod. Overall, yes, Zune does have a good chance in this run.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658106" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658106" href="http://batmngeek7.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Heath aka The Batman Geek</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658106" class="dsq-comment-message">First off, I am a windows guy, it\'s all I have ever known and I do not own an Ipod, why?  Because I want video as well and that 2.5 inch screen just doesn\'t cut it.  When I first heard the MS was making there own branded player, I thought hey it might be cool.  However, as I have read more and more and listened to various reviews and studied the specs what it can do and can\'t do....I think MS has really missed the boat, the Zune offers nothing, nothing. a bigger screen is great but where is the content?  And to top it off all the music I have bought from Play for Sure sites, such as WalMart, Real, etc will not work on this brand new MS product?!  Why?  They can\'t support their own program?  That\'s just nuts.  The sharing feature is a non factor, it is be honest who cares?  Forcing DRM and who are you going to share with.<br><br>No support for podcasts or videocasts, etc  Honestly tell me one good thing about the product, the price?  I can get an video Ipod with a more music selection and buy movies, shows and subscribe to podcast, etc.<br><br>I am a MS guy, I wanted to like this product but I can\'t they did it wrong, they had a chance to wow us instead you are left going "why did they bring this out now?"<br><br>Maybe they will be realeasing updates and add support etc, but to me that smacks of not being ready and that first impression is hard to overcome if it\'s bad.<br><br>And one last thing, giving Universal a piece of the pie because we are all thief\'s?!  MS caved, caved and for that they should be ashamed.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658102" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658102" href="http://www.lifezoo.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Bilbo</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658102" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658102" class="dsq-comment-message">I wouldn\'t buy an iPod if it was half off with a hard drive full of all my favorite music. Not because it sucks, hell it seems to "have been" the best out there. I never liked those wussie Apple types who try to put themselves on the same plane as the vegan animal loving pita jerks. I\'ll stick to Microsoft I know whats good for me!!  No has been for me!!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658098" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658098" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658098">Joe</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658098" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658098" class="dsq-comment-message">As far as hardware design goes, the Zune isn\'t really that impressive. I own a sweet little handful that is thinner and has a much bigger, brighter screen than the Zune. It has wi-fi (that actually allows you to browse the web and get e-mail!) AND Bluetooth to sync it to my laptop. It can play .wmv and .mov video, MP3 and AAC audio, and display JPEG photos. The ONLY thing it doesn\'t have that the Zune has is a hard drive. But it does have an SD card slot for memory expansion. It also has great schedule and address book functions, many great games, handwriting recognition, can do Word and Excel documents, and act as a remote control for my TV and DVR. And it cost only $50 more than a Zune. It\'s called a Palm TX.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658088">Crocodilian</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658088" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658088" class="dsq-comment-message">Have a Zima with your Zune.<br><br>Seriously.<br><br>If ever there were a textbook business case of how companies which grow up with monopolies are unable to offer acceptable products in competitive markets, its Microsoft.<br><br>Sure, XBox has come a long, long, way-- but I\'d say that is as much a case of Sony\'s self-destruction as XBox\'s virtues.<br><br>Not only is Apple not Sony, its one of the companies taking apart Sony (eg-- the iPod is what the Walkman should have become; the utter loss of one of the most valuable consumer electronic brands is Sony\'s legacy).<br><br>So, can MS take on Apple?<br><br>Its very unlikely-- not only is there the issue of design, there\'s the issue of intensity. Apple cares about a very small number of things, and cares about them intensely. At the end of the day, in Redmond, the sun rises and sets on Office and Windows-- everything else is a rounding error (though XBox is emerging). MS has demonstrated that their capacity to "keep their eyes on multiple balls" is very limited. Think about Pocket PC, Windows Mobile, Plays4sure,Tablet PC, Stinger phones. . . the list of not-quite-implemented MS initiatives is growing very, very long.<br><br>I suspect you can add Zune to that list.<br><br>And pop open a nice cold Zima while you\'re at it.<br><br>If you can find one.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658086" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658086" href="http://celthrex.ath.cx/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Ryan Karolak</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658086" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658086" class="dsq-comment-message">Integration:<br><br>I say the ipod is better. The iPod can be synced with both MacOS and Windows (2K, XP, Vista), the Zune is only compatible with Windows.<br><br>In my opinion the design with the touch/scroll wheel on the ipod is better.<br><br>The Zune automaticly DRMs all content and is NOT compatible with Plays For Sure songs. The iPod can play all songs purchased from the iTunes music store from any date.<br><br>Updates: Apple frequently updates ALL the ipods when a problem is found with any model, including the original Scroll Wheel model.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658240" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658240" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658240">Brendan Conway</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658240" class="dsq-comment-message">You seem to base alot of your argument on the fact that the zune is compatible with the xbox and that the ipod isn\'t, but this isn\'t true.  I use my iPod all the time with my xBox to play songs while playing games or just to chillax.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658198" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658198" href="http://www.sharkdiver.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Patric</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658198" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658198" class="dsq-comment-message">Basically Microsoft Corp made the unholy trinity of mistakes on this one.<br><br>1. They pre-bashed a beloved brand (I-Pod) out of the gate and called their yet un-tested, un-marketed, un-available product "The I-Pod Killer".<br><br>2. They came to the market with a product that rebuilt an entire system from the ground up, in an area that was already dominated by the I-Pod. Instead of focusing on a product that was cheaper, lighter and more stylish that might have worked in tandem with the I-Pod.<br><br>3. They made it in "National Park Bench-Brown", which is to say the unholiest of colors. Brown is not the new black, it is brown, plain and simple.<br><br>Just based on the color alone I see this product as DOA. Fortuntely Microsoft Corp has lots of money so they can refocus on other products they can also color brown...good Christ, what were they thinking!?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658254" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658254" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658254">Fred</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658254" class="dsq-comment-message">We have to compare ipod and Zune from a marketing perspective. Zune\'s purpose is to grab a portion of the  ipod market. To effectively do that, it should atleast have similiar compatibility to the ipod or imporved compatability. Zune doesn\'t. I believe this is another ploy to try and make the masses windows dependent.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658246" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658246">Zune is Awful</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658246" class="dsq-comment-message">The Zune is awful.<br><br>1. The fake touch wheel is really four buttons covered by a plastic ring.<br><br>2. It won\'t play any of the music I already bought online from Microsoft, iTunes, or Napster. I\'ll need to now buy the tracks again from Microsoft to play them on Zune.<br><br>3. The MS music store hide the fact that it only has about half as many songs available as iTunes. (i.e. they pretend they have Beatles music, for example, but they don\'t)<br><br>4. MS music store has this mandatory "buy MSPoints and use them to buy music" cash exchange system that is clearly designed to push the price of a single track past 0.99 without you knowing they\'ve done it. All they have to do is change the DollarMSPoint exchange rate at any time, and it\'s done.<br><br>5.  --- The totally enforced DRM is ridiculous ---<br>  You can only beam a particlar track to your buddy\'s Zune once.<br>  You cannot forward a beamed track.<br>   A beamed track gets deleted after 3 plays, after which you have to buy it from the MS music site.<br>   If you start a song, then stop it, that counts as a "play" (if you get more than 90 seconds into it).<br><br>6. Zune won\'t connect to MS Media player, to any Mac or even Windows Vista.<br><br>7. Zune can\'t receive podcasts, can\'t be used as a hardrive for other files, treats your own CD MP3s as if you don\'t own the songs.(deletes them after 3 plays if \'beamed\').</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658239" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658239">Zune is Awful</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658239" class="dsq-comment-message">The Zune is awful.<br><br>1. The fake touch wheel is really four buttons covered by a plastic ring.<br><br>2. It won\'t play any of the music I already bought online from Microsoft, iTunes, or Napster. I\'ll need to now buy the tracks again from Microsoft to play them on Zune.<br><br>3. The MS music store hides the fact that it only has about half as many songs available as iTunes. (i.e. they pretend they have Beatles music, for example, but they don\'t)<br><br>4. MS music store has this mandatory "buy MSPoints and use them to buy music" cash exchange system that is clearly designed to push the price of a single track past 0.99 without you knowing they\'ve done it. All they have to do is change the DollarMSPoint exchange rate at any time, and it\'s done.<br><br>5.  --- The totally enforced DRM is ridiculous ---<br>  You can only beam a particlar track to your buddy\'s Zune once.<br>  You cannot forward a beamed track.<br>   A beamed track gets deleted after 3 plays, after which you have to buy it from the MS music site.<br>   If you start a song, then stop it, that counts as a "play" (if you get more than 90 seconds into it).<br><br>6. Zune won\'t connect to MS Media player, to any Mac or even Windows Vista.<br><br>7. Zune can\'t receive podcasts, can\'t be used as a hardrive for other files, treats your own CD MP3s as if you don\'t own the songs.(deletes them after 3 plays if \'beamed\').</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658258" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658258">Kelly L.</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658258" class="dsq-comment-message">Are we seriously comparing this Zune thing to an iPod? Am I on candid camera or something? Microsoft and cool in the same sentence? Microsoft and innovative features? Can anyone hear themselves here?</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658159" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658159">Alan</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658159" class="dsq-comment-message">This is a pretty entertaining thread. There\'s nothing like stirring up the good \'ol MS is out to destroy the world perspective to generate traffic and discussion. Just some comments on some points made in other posts:<br><br>1. MP3 player penetration. Someone said that about 10% of the potential market has some type of portable player (and Apple has something like 70-80% share of this). Another person countered this and said the number of folks who have portable players already is much higher. I dunno who everyone hangs out with, but that 10% adoption rate seems closer to the truth which means there is potentially a huge market out there waiting to be tapped by Apple, Microsoft, SanDisk, or whomever. Certainly, there seems to be room for choice for the consumer.<br><br>2. I wonder if anyone from MS has ever stated for the record that Zune is an "iPod Killer"? I know that\'s the perception from the media, but it seems like everyone who has posted here laughs when Zune is mentioned in the same breath as the iPod ecosystem. I think you play right into Microsoft\'s hand by comparing the Zune to the iPod. If it really is a non-competitor, why mention it at all? I personally would rather see more comparisons with an Archos, SanDisk, or even Cowon or iRiver player. Certainly, they are more mature players in the market. Ignoring the Zune (if you really want it to fail) hurts Microsoft more in many ways than mentioning it negatively does. The fact that is coming up so often in articles indicates that people do think MS is a relevant player in the space, which is exactly what they want to establish.<br><br>3. iPod Repairs. I have a 1st generation Mini and the only thing I\'ve had to do is replace the battery on it. I do have friends who have had their iPod "brick" on them, all when the warranty has expired. I think it\'s perceived that iPods fail more often than other players because there are simply so many more of them out there. How often you feel you should replace your unit because of obsolesence or mechanical breakdown is up to each individual.<br><br>4. Firmware upgrades. Yep, iPod and pretty much any modern consumer electronics device can be upgraded via a simply flashing of the firmware. I think the point of the Zune having more upside is that the raw hardware has more potential than the current generation of players (maybe save for the Music Gremlin). But I agree, the upgradeability argument is a bit misleading. I wonder if people would be taking about Zune so negatively if the software running it was Linux or some other embedded OS that was hackable?<br><br>5. iTunes Music Store vs Zune Marketplace. Completely agree that there is much less content in the Zune Marketplace than iTMS. Need to also say that both the pay-as-you-go and subscription options are going to appeal to very different people. To say that one system is better than the other is ludicrious and at least Zune Marketplace offers a choice. I do think the points system is confusing to anyone who hasn\'t used Xbox Live and certainly to anyone who has purchased anything from iTMS. Does it mean that it\'s simply a mechanism for Microsoft to deceptively make people spend more at the store? I think that\'s really stretching it. iTMS seems to be every bit as restrictive as the Zune Marketplace as far as buying so goes, and there is no subscription option whatsoever. Sure, stuff in iTMS has pretty flat pricing, but do you really want to spend as much money on the latest disposable pop song as something that is a back catalog item? It looks like the Zune Marketplace offers the flexiblity of pricing things differently, albeit at the expense of perceived simplicty. Oh, the whole Marketplace trying to deceive customers that there is more content there than is actually available argument is bunk. MTV does the same thing with URGE. Anyways, the Zune software is freely available to try out so you can see for yourself if it really feels deceiving.<br><br>6. Wireless sharing. Really, this is not a platform seller, even if the DRM restrictions were loosened up. That being said, at least it\'s an option with current generation of Zune devices. You want to talk about community and sharing? Pandora, Last.FM, and other music-centric social services are where the real action is going to happen (or are happening), IMHO. If Microsoft or Apple can integrate their device into services like this, then you\'ll really see the real music as a social experience happening on portable devices.<br><br>cheers</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658123" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658123" href="http://shadowvillepro.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Chris</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658123" class="dsq-comment-message">Ok, Zune  has a better screen, resolutions and overall system, however, i would love if it had a bigger hard drive. Ipod is nice and all but it\'s way overrated. I reccomend a Creative Labs Zen Vision: M, best mp3 out there and you won\'t disappointed. Oh and Zune has better picture display. Ipod however has a bigger harddrive but Itunes is gay. I mean thats some serious homosexual crappy stuff.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658178" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658178">zach</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658178" class="dsq-comment-message">ok look.. the zune will have problems when other companies start making software for it.. the zune will get viruses.. (its from microsoft, remember?) apple is, as of right now, unbeatable. everyone knows that apple is always thinking one step ahead of the game, while microsoft is just happy to get the zune out on shelves. steve jobs has been quoted "2007 will be the biggest year for apple releases." he didn\'t let us down last year, and he sure as hell will not let us down this year.. 2006 marked the start of the microsoft decay.. 2007 should pretty much be the suffocating point of pc\'s.. sorry bill, but apples coming fast.. its scary to think about what they will be releasing next year. here\'s to 2007!<br><br>ps - itunes? = not gonna be beaten ANY time soon..<br>       zune? = come on... we\'ve seen how microsoft\'s shit "works already"<br><br>zorry, but the ipod WILL stay in the #1 spot for a very long time</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658176">zach</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658176" class="dsq-comment-message">oh, and chris? get a life.. itunes, gay? yeah i guess it is since it is the number one online music store.. and it is the only online music store to reach top 5 in music retail overall... i guess itunes DOES suck and they really don\'t know what they\'re doing..</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658177" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658177">zach</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658177" class="dsq-comment-message">oh.. one more thing.. zune has better integration? my ass! ipod has built stable alliances with everyone from bmw to jaguar.. there\'s some integration for you! hmmm xbox? or car... i think car, but thats probably just because i have a life and dont play video games all day..<br><br>ps - xbox 360 is pretty cool, im not bashing it.. im just sayin\' if i could choose between integrating my mp3 player with that or a frikin car... come on! not to mention the recently announced alliances with airlines? ipods are now integrated on the road and in the air.. zune? iintegrated on xbox.. congrats?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658253" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658253" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658253">me</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658253" class="dsq-comment-message">the only reason why the ipod did so well is b.c apple made it compatible with windows.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658241" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658241">Will</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658241" class="dsq-comment-message">I have got threw about 8 ipods since they were released and iam not satisfied for a start Apple has the worst custormer servie i have ever had to deal with a ipod does not last more then 6 months. Ipods just malfuction alot. I have a microsoft computer like mos people and if something ever goes wrong iam sure the custormer service will be just as good and as for the wi-fi that is the best idea for an mp3 player, it drives me insane when my friend has a new cd he brought of itunes i asked if i got put it on my ipod it took me 4 hours and $10 of software to do it. As soon as i can get hold of a zune then i will be the first custormer.<br>From<br>Will</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658205" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658205">Guy</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658205" class="dsq-comment-message">I think Apple needs to be careful.  Love or hate Microsoft, almost everything they touch turns to gold.  There were lots of people saying that the Xbox would fail, and it is #2 in the market, and with the year heads start and $200 price difference with the PS3 it may end up #1.  The fact that it is easy to update the Zune is something great.  You soon will be able to purchase TV shows and movies on your 360 using points, don\'t you think that will soon be available for the Zune?  You can play your Zune through you 360 using the USB.  Plus I don\'t care if a car has an iPod dock, for about $4 at Radio Shack I can buy a cable and plug my MP3 into my head unit.  I have been doing this with my Zen for 3 months now.  iPod isn\'t giving people what they wantno FM radio, no larger screens, no wi-fi, nothing, just new colors and better battery life.  The status quo won\'t keep you on top.  Ask Nintendo, 1994, nobody could forsee Nintendo being anything other than #1 for video games, and less than 10 years later they were #3.  People wanted CD\'s for games, and Nintendo gave them carts for the N64, and people wanted their game systems to have DVD\'s and Nintendo gave us the Gamecube, now people want HD capabilities and Nintendo failed on that too.  Lager storage space and better batteries will only placate people for so long.<br>    These complaints about the wi-fi being limited, atleast it has wi-fi nobody else does.  The complaints about not playing Play for Sure stuff, no big deal burn it to CD and rip it into Zune.  I am not sure if this will be iPod killer or not, but integrating it with the Xbox is a great feature.  But finally someone who has the money to throw at Apple can take a serious run at them.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658230" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658230" href="http://feedyourzune.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Doug</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658230" class="dsq-comment-message">"Zune doesn’t have a podcast client."<br><br>Not trying to spam, but as the subject is lack of podcast support and third parties filling the gap...<br><br>We just released <a href="http://feedyourzune.com" rel="nofollow">http://feedyourzune.com</a><br><br>It\'s an RSS video aggregator that\'s integrated with the Zune Marketplace software - to "feed your zune" video and audio podcasts.  It\'s a stand alone client app based on the FireAnt platform.  New interface, two integrated directories (FireAnt and Network2 guide) it\'s fast and, dare I say, almost bulletproof.<br><br>Enjoy.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658144" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658144" href="http://www.microsoft.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Bob</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658144" class="dsq-comment-message">Zune packs some features in the hardware and surprises to come later in the music / video service.<br><br>The Zune is far better than the current iPod - which looks like something out of the 1990s - the click wheel iPod is history.<br><br>The Only way Apple can hope to survive being Zuned right out of the market is by releasing the full screen video iPod with touch screen.<br>While they are at updating the ipod, they might as well toss in camera, bluetooth wireless, AM/FM/SW radio, etc.<br><br>The electronics market has shown all too often how yesterday\'s got-to-have it hero becomes todays bargain bin rejects.<br><br>Now is not the time for Apple to be resting on it\'s past accomplishments.<br><br>If they are unprepared to compete with the Zune for the Christmas shopping season, at least Apple should have the next iPod ready for Jan 1st. 2007 - and try to capture some \'Christmas Money\' sales at the tail end of the holiday season.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658130">DCaff</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658130" class="dsq-comment-message">Dont listen to any of these people who are talking about the zune and havnt even used one. I bought one the day it came out and i think it is awesome. All of you people need to learn a lession. Im not against the ipod and im not for microsoft...im for a good product that will expand the market and make it better. The zune is a brand new product and yall are comparing it too the 3rd and 4th generation ipod. I love the zune. It looks nice, it is easy to use...and of course it is bigger...the screen is huge. So what if the quality is the same as the ipod. When you are looking at tv\'s you tend to look at the bigger one. Yeah from a 10 inch tv to a 40 inch tv the quality will go down...but half an inch...that isnt going to make it look worse...its just a bigger screen which is awesome. And about the whole no videos or anything on the marketplace...it just came out...give it time. We need something to create good competition so that prices will go down and  quality will go up. The zune is a great product...it may not have everything that the ipod has yet...but it has only been out for a couple of days..give it time. I would recommend the zune to everyone. It has its ups and downs...but so does the ipod. I think they are equal in there own ways. Just find the one that will work better in your life...just dont listen to reviewers who havnt even touched it yet...</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658119" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658119" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658119" href="http://mediafan.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">stoykish</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658119" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658119" class="dsq-comment-message">well i do agree that ipod is an overall better system for now but dont count the zune ot yet, remember this is only the first gen. you can also check out my ZUne review<br><br><a href="http://techelecfan.wordpress.com/2006/11/18/zune-review/" rel="nofollow">http://techelecfan.wordpress.com/2006/11/18/zun...</a></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658080" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658080" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658080">Maciej Swic</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658080" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658080" class="dsq-comment-message">David Feldt:<br><br>I dont agree with you about the price, an ipod video is a bit over 2000 SEK and i got my zune with shipping included for 1900 SEK!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658167" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658167" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658167" href="http://www.amigamusic.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Chris</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658167" class="dsq-comment-message">I still like the sony netwalk mans. And Ipod is not the best! Might have been the first but its not the best</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658152" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658152" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658152">JAMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658152" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658152" class="dsq-comment-message">WELL THE ZUNE IS NOT THAT POPULAR ENOUGH TO BEAT THE I POD WHICH HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG. THE ZUNE DESIGN SHOULD BE BETTER. JUST FACE IT U ALL WANT AN 80 GIG I POD VIDEO BECAUSE I KNOW I DO SO GET THE I POD PEOPLE</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658145" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658145" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658145">Simple Inquirer</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658145" class="dsq-comment-message">This is not ment to be an inflamitory question but does anyone have an opinion on these two MP3 players if they are just for normal use without all these speciall gadgets?  Don\'t get me wrong, I love all of these things as much as the next person but i would love to hear an opinion of someone who would just use it for some music and videos.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658148" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658148">Simple Inquirer</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658148" class="dsq-comment-message">Another not-published or seldom-talked-about feature is guesting. A friend can take his Zune over to your computer, set up a "guest" relationship with your Zune Marketplace software (as opposed to a regular owner relationship), and you\'re free to drag songs and pictures from your library onto their device. These songs do not have the 3 play 3 day limit on them. Depending on whether you purchased or you\'re leasing these songs, you can do this with either 5 or 2 Zunes, respectively. So in essence, if your friend wants to grab a few songs off your library for listening to, they can— just not on WIFI.<br><br>Just another interesting tid-bit</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658227" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658227" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658227">will shakespeare</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658227" class="dsq-comment-message">what would be good is if zune or apple were to include a specker in the device such as that in my rokr.  it has great sound quality and adds a whole new dimension to the player.  if the zune was to have a speaker first i think that could be the breakthrough feature for mictosoft.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658245" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658245" href="http://shelbycockrell.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">shelbycockrell</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658245" class="dsq-comment-message">Looks like you\'ve written on a popular topic. You know, at first I was really impressed with iPod and thought it was the most fabulous thing (and I still use my nano all the time).. but it has a lot of small operational errors. If Zune can beat iPod by working smoothly and having good customer service, I\'m sold. I\'m impatient and I hate my expensive tech toys to screw up.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658244">Bob Smith</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658244" class="dsq-comment-message">i am an anti- microsoft person and will never use another microsoft product again after hey refused to provide me support!</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658204">will shakespeare</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658204" class="dsq-comment-message">im a huge apple fan but i unfortunatley cant see apple keeping up their ipod domination unless they come up with more inspiring features outwith more battery time etc.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658150">microsoft skeptic</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658150" class="dsq-comment-message">As much as I kinda hate Microsoft, I\'m a techie nerd and was really looking forward to something new.  I love my IPod, but new is hot.  I read in another review however, that there are no smart playlists.  That alone will keep me from even considering the Zune.  The screen is beautiful though, if it weren\'t for that playlist issue, I might really be tempted.<br><br>Anyway, reading your review and realizing I can\'t play my Itunes songs gives me another huge reason to avoid it (and reminds so much of why no matter how much you try to be open minded about MS, their propreitary crap will always screw you).  What are we supposed to do with all those songs?</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658084">joe</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658084" class="dsq-comment-message">it is compatible with mac</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658083">codejockey</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658083" class="dsq-comment-message">Microsoft is not a stupid company - most of their moves are carefully calculated, and I think the iniaial launch of the Zune is really just throwing a flare to give Apple a false confidence for a bit before Microsoft engages their long term strategy.<br><br>Will they lose the short term game?  Sure.  iPod has a ton of momentum that would be hard to challenge for any device (even if it was superior on all accounts).  In the next year or two, iPod will continue to outsell Zune, there\'s no way around that.<br><br>The thing is, my gut says Microsoft is making a long term play at carving out a new industry and market.  They ignored podcasts because they are realistically not the focus of the device - a portable media player, and I believe they only support DRM because if they didn\'t (and allowed sharing songs without protection), they would be buried in lawsuits and public scrutiny.  I believe out of the box they can\'t allow this, but now to my real point...<br><br>I am a professional software developer and what is the key selling point for me?  It\'s essentially a Pocket PC platform (or some flavor thereof) meaning I can extend, hack and modify the device given enough time and research.  I think we\'ll be looking at a fully functional device over Wi-Fi, ways to override the DRM sharing limitations and really extending the device.  All of these "limitation" or "wouldn\'t it be great if" features will be answered.  I have NO doubt I could write a piece of software to record from the FM tuner, it\'s just a matter of figuring out the device.  Could I do that on an iPod?  Not a chance in hell - not without risking destroying the device.<br><br>Even furthermore, if Microsoft releases a Zune SDK (removing the need to even GUESS about how to work with the device or OS), I think iPod is in serious trouble.  I found XBox (the first one) appealing because I was able to swap out hard drives, rig up a PC keyboard and mouse to work with it, and even write software for the XBox given the SDK. To take it back even further, The Sega Dreamcast had the same flexibility running Windows CE. The fact that hardware devices that are based on windows, a common, well known, and extendible platform really makes any Microsoft device appealing.  It gives the potential to really extend the device if you are savvy - granted I\'m not the norm, but who is to say there won\'t be 3rd party developers and software companies writing that killer app for Zune?  It\'s definitely something to think about - I think they are opening a door that could really put iPod in a bind in the next 5 years.  Sure, music and video iPod may have an edge, but what about the ability to use the WiFi on your Zune to control your Media Center PC?  Streaming audio/video FROM your media center PC over the internet using the WiFi?  The possibilites are endless and I think we will see some impressive stuff out of the platform.<br><br>You couldn\'t even think about that on iPod.<br><br>All said and done, I don\'t think Microsoft cares about DRM or intentionally limited the integration with WiFi or any feature thereof - I think they had a release date to get the product to market, cut bait on the nice to haves and wanted to get the device released for the 06 holiday season.  I think over the next year, we will see Microsoft play some cards that will turn heads and nobody would have expected.  If not - I can honestly say I would be dissappointed with Microsoft and that they are definitely losing their edge as an innovative company.<br><br>I just don\'t think we\'ve seen the entire hand, and that\'s how they want it for now.  Enter the marketplace under the radar and then move in for the kill by opening the door for Micro ISV\'s to write a killer app for this type of device.<br><br>To date, every portable media player has been 100% proprietary (some custom linux flavor, etc).  All Microsoft has to do is be willing to open up the architecture and they have the total advantage.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658271" href="http://www.yahoo.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Tiger Hunter</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658271" class="dsq-comment-message">Zune has a larger screen for videos..now dont tell me we dont need a larger video screen..thats why i have ordered a zune even though i have an ipod</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658269">Nate</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658269" class="dsq-comment-message">I\'m not big in the portable music player business. I\'ve owned a simple 128MB RCA flash player for a couple years now and it’s more than sufficient for when I go out for sports or recreation. However, once I heard about Zune\'s "social" capabilities, I decided to look into it.<br><br>First off, I’m big in the whole WiFi scene. It\'s _the_ thing since sliced bread, it\'s the future. When I heard Zune had support for it, I thought "wow, this could be really good". Then I watched the video and found out its sole purpose is to send a file to a specific device, which must also accept the transmission. What a total waste! Imagine being able to broadcast live what you\'re listening to or broadcast your playlist for other Zune devices to "channel in" and listen. Or why not make it easy and just flag a playlist for sharing so other Zuner\'s can sample. To go through all the effort on the wireless front to just shun its potential really irks me. It\'s about as social as a cell phone with stickers on it.<br><br>I think they had the right idea, but they executed it wrong. Most of the issues could be corrected in software, but I somehow get the feeling that the direction they took also enforced limitations on their hardware, especially with the lack of a mic-in jack for recording (karaoke fans anyone?). Oh well, I guess I\'m still stuck with my RCA =)</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658270">zune man 224</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658270" class="dsq-comment-message">While the zune does have features about that dont shock me, i really do like it much more than the i pod. I believe that people who are used to i pods grow very attached to them and find anything else nowhere near as good. I myself have bought a zune and very much enjoy the devices thechnology.I believe that by next year not only will microsoft have come out with better technology for the zune, but also that it will complete surpass the technology of the ipod.I also do believe that everyone can expect to see new zune devices in the market very soon.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658274">bg</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658274" class="dsq-comment-message">The whole reason the ipod appeals much higher than other mp3\'s is because that\'s what got the market moving and now the majority of people have them and its the must have mp3.  But i think were afraid to try something new, and why not the zune when it has nearly all the same features as the ipod and some added.  The zune also has a bigger video screen and you can change your background. The only cocern i have with zune is how will their musicstore fillout.<br>                                                 Oh yea, white headphones are not a conversation starter,showing your individuality in your backround and sending songs of meaning to your friends will spark tons of more conversations.  (plus a white zune comes with white headphones)................Duh,Duh,Duh</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658277">John</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658277" class="dsq-comment-message">Just a quick non technical comment.  We were purchasing for my 12 year old daughter.  I fought with myself over IPOD and ZUNE because I know all the kids want the IPOD.  Our daughter requested a 5th generation IPOD.  She wanted and MP3 player with a video player.  I got the device that I felt matched that description best.  It was an easy choice for us - we got the ZUNE - because of the larger screen and built in FM radio tuner.  It is Christmas day - we thought we would have a huge dissapointment in the house because we did not get the IPOD.  We were wrong.  We explained why we got the ZUNE instead of the IPOD to our suprise she was fine with it and she loves her ZUNE.  We are not into blogging etc.  I think Microsoft &amp; Toshiba made the superior product for what we needed.  I guess for blogging etc. there is no choice here, but we don\'t blog.  My daughter can get into all of that stuff later.  For now she can just enjoy here music, pictures and videos on a great piece of equipment which has potential written all over it.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658268">Shell</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658268" class="dsq-comment-message">I totally think the ZUNE is better for sure!!  I got one for my 10yr old and she absolutley loves it.  It has a larger screen, has a FM radio, and the casing is not going to get all scratched up like the ipod it seems to be very durabe and scratch resistant.  The ZUNE software is very easy to use...you get a CD that comes with your ZUNE to install on your computer...you do not have to go on to the internet to download it.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658267">Shell</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658267" class="dsq-comment-message">Oh yeah and its wireless capabilities and ability to share files with your friends ZUNE is cool too!!</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658275">Pker4lifeo0</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658275" class="dsq-comment-message">Why Buy An Ipod Nano Thats 200$. If You Want A Mp3 Player That Just Plays Songs.. Buy A Cheap One. There Is No Need For Zune To Make Smaller Versions.<br><br>Okay Now That That\'s Out Of The Way..Ipod Sucks Is What I Have To Say. I Have Both THe Ipod 30g(black) And A Zune(black) The Zune Has All The Same Features As Ipod Plus More. WHY Buy An Ipod. No Reason. But Itunes Are A Lot Better Blah Blah Blah. Nobody Even Uses Itunes. Most People Get There Music And Vids From P2P Networks Like Limewire. Zunes Own All. Get Yalls Heads Out Of Apples Ass Little Apple Crybabies. Get Out Of The Apple Box That Your In And Actually Try The Zune!!</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658273">jatt4life</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658273" class="dsq-comment-message">Zune totally beats Zune.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658262">Luke779865</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658262" class="dsq-comment-message">I have 2 IPOD nanos and a Zune in my home.  The Zune was much more intuitive to set up and the Zune marketplace is easier to use.  Also my Zune automatically downloads track info and album covers right out of the box.  The itunes didn\'t.  It has to be told to.  Also, the subscription service is awesome!  I used the Zune software on my 60 inch LCD and played music all night long on New Years Eve.  It was like having a jukebox with 2 million songs on it.  All my guests had to do is type in a song, artist or album title and wait a few seconds for a download and they had whatever song they wanted.  I am definitely sold on the Zune.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658276" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658276" href="http://whDsud3X8V.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">whDsud3X8V</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658276" class="dsq-comment-message">Hi! Very nice site! Thanks you very much! uxqQBQCKiLhC5S</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658264" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658264" href="http://acidzebra.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Michiel</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658264" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658264" class="dsq-comment-message">"My thoughts about Zune vs. iPod"<br><br>My thoughts: there is no \'versus\'. iPod wins by default.<br><br>ps. I came to this page because I was looking for support info for a friend who has a borked Zune (songs upload but magically disappear), ha ha ha.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658076">Jon</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658076" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658076" class="dsq-comment-message">Also the Zune can not display other languages, such as Japanese</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658272">Simm</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658272" class="dsq-comment-message">I am strugling wether to buy an ipod or a Zune. Please help. There are so many different comments here and i dont know which one to buy.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658263">Punyan</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658263" class="dsq-comment-message">@simm, thats exactly my problem.<br>I like the Zune design definately better, but I\'m afraid if<br>its not going to be a success, Microsoft wont make much efforts to improve it.<br>I will buy the Zune  if:<br>1. synchronizing works better  than with the Ipod<br>2. market place will offer somthing like podcasts<br>3. there is software to put music from napster and that kinda programs on it.<br><br>Can anybody answer these questions?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658077" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658077" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658077" href="http://www.zuneworld.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Zune</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658077" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658077" class="dsq-comment-message">@Punyan<br><br>I do know MS had registered a ton of Zunecast (.com/net/org etc. etc.) domain names long before they even announced the Zune; which is usually a strong indicator of future plans from them.<br><br>I can tell you I don\'t have any Problems synchronizing but I have heard others complain that it was slightly complex for them. But I feel it may have more to do with lack of familiarity and less with difficulty. IMHO<br><br>Best wishes,<br>Kim</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658266">Scott L</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658266" class="dsq-comment-message">Robert, I found it interesting that you didn\'t comment on one of quality of the main purpose of the Zune: sound.<br><br>I own a Zune and the video ipod.  I have listened to the exact same song on both devices and the iPod sound quality is superior.  However the radio feaure on the Zune and its User interface is as good if not better than Apple\'s in many respects.<br><br>At the end of the day you need to get the sound quality right.  Everything else is secondary.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658265" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658265" href="http://www.getemg.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Dodge Peters</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658265" class="dsq-comment-message">I got a Zune for Christmas. I initially wanted an iPod. iPod has the market cornered right now. I love my Zune, but that could be because I have never owned an iPod. I was expecting more features right out of the box but I\'m also very content with what I have. I\'m frustrated by a few things like; how do I get my Ratings from my Zune to my Library without duplicating the song in my Library and how come when I have my Zune in shuffle mode, turn it off then turn it back on and not be in the same place on the playlist?<br><br>I have yet to find anyone being Social, everytime I scan for other Zunes I don\'t find any.. I\'m okay with that though.<br><br>The sound quality is okay. I did notice that I took a Zune and a PSP and compared the sound quality and the PSP sounded better, hands down.<br><br>I also noticed, and I\'m not sure if the iPod does this, when hooked to an external speaker system it seems that if too much "power" is transmitted between the speakers and the headphone jack on the Zune, the Zune will freeze and have to be rebooted.<br><br>Synching was easy, was I understood it, I don\'t read manuals. Having the album info and art update automatically is a great feature.<br><br>I like the Zune, I wish I had more space, 30 gigs is just not enough, especially since I have over 10 thousand songs from my CD library alone that I burned to mp3.<br><br>But Okay.. I\'m done.. lol</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658291">Jack</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658291" class="dsq-comment-message">ZUNE IS GNARLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br>YOU WILL NOT BE DISAPOINTED IN IT!!!<br>IPOD IS DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br><br><br><br>(I own an iPod as well, and well....it sucks compared to the new Zune.)</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658290">Ron</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658290" class="dsq-comment-message">I dont know what its like in other areas, but the zune is a big hit where i live. I hate the argument of conversationallity, the white headphones are so old that no one even notices any more. there is no culture for ipod owners,  they\'ve become the old man of the industry. these days, its all about the chrome plate headphones ;). And eveyone i know LOVES the look, its totally retro and totally awesome. plenty of memory (holds a ton more video than an ipod) and once you get used to the interface, its really sleek and easy to use... as for all the other problems people continue to list (no video sharing, no podcast support etc.), i\'ve got 2 words for ya... Firmware Updates :P</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658289" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658289" href="http://gamersindex.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Kyle Poole</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658289" class="dsq-comment-message">I think that the Zune sounds awesome, it has amazing usage, and the WiFi and radio really turn me on, but what I like most is the screen! I was just wondering, is it compatible with normal videos, like if I had some videos I got off of, say, LimeWire, and I wanted to put it on there, would the DRM or whatever its called stop me? Thanks.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658287">Tedd</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658287" class="dsq-comment-message">My zune is awesome! yeah, the zune does freeze, but the ipod does also. my sis has one, and i play around with it sometimes. Also, i found some DVD converters for zunes and ipods at <a href="http://cucusoft.com" rel="nofollow">cucusoft.com</a>. my dad has an ipod also, and he played with my zune, and commented that the zune is much simpler to use than his ipod.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658288">Tedd</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658288" class="dsq-comment-message">one last thing, the ipod is much slower with syncing music, pics, movies and stuff than zunes. trust me, i live with two ipod owners.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658286" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658286">Josh</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658286" class="dsq-comment-message">see, in my school, everyone does have ipod, with minimal exceptions of a few creatives.<br>and if i came into school with a brown stylish zune, that NO ONE will have because im in the uk, that is what will be considered cool. being a sheep isnt cool. being different is.<br>your putting everything from an assuming ipod owning, or ex users point of view, well i dont have one, never have, so i dont care about itunes music, podcasts will work on a zune depending on the format and were you get it, just wont be in a podcast section. its PODcast, not ZUNEcast, microsoft wont be advertising it because it was made for iPODS!<br>if your going to point out some bad points about the zune, maybe try the battery life?<br>but the software for the zune, and the fact it DOESNT have that fuck annoying, in accurate scroll wheel are good things!</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658282" href="http://www.razerpro.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Stephen K</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658282" class="dsq-comment-message">Hey guys,<br><br>I\'ve got more pictures confirming the existence of a Razer Protype playing with a MS Zune. Check out these pics of the Zune charging in a Protype. Maybe  Razer plans to make that ipod dock with more than just one MP3 player…?<br><br><a href="http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u251/stepk85/DSC_1073.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u251/stepk85...</a><br><br><a href="http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u251/stepk85/DSC_1072.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u251/stepk85...</a><br><br><a href="http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u251/stepk85/DSC_1070.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u251/stepk85...</a><br><br><a href="http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u251/stepk85/DSC_1069.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u251/stepk85...</a><br><br>Stephen K</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658281" href="http://google.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Weston</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658281" class="dsq-comment-message">i really wouldnt like any windblows crap,hardware or software, on any of my anything<br><br>now the stupid music sharing thing... WTF you get to play it three times in three days and then microsoft makes you buy it....<br><br>and you cant even use any itunes, napster or limewire music with it its pretty.... retarded</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658279">Tedd</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658279" class="dsq-comment-message">that\'s what the zune marketplace is for, retard. plus, the marketplace has a way better deal than itunes\' gay $1 a song crap. marketplace lets you pay 15 bucks a month, and get unlimited song downloads without having to pay for them. and you still want to use itunes?</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658284">Leah</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658284" class="dsq-comment-message">I\'ll stick with the zune. I\'m buying one soon because I\'m searching for something "Better" than the ipod my sister has is. I think I\'ll sound pretty convincing to her because:<br><br> true, the zune has limited wi fi, but what does the ipod have?<br><br> The bigger screen is definitely a winner for me.<br><br> The screen is more scratch-resistant.<br><br> The unlimited song download deal</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658285">Leah</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658285" class="dsq-comment-message">I\'ll stick with the zune. I\'m buying one soon because I\'m searching for something "Better" than the ipod my sister has is. I think I\'ll sound pretty convincing to her because:<br><br> true, the zune has limited wi fi, but what does the ipod have?<br><br> The bigger screen is definitely a winner for me.<br><br> The screen is more scratch-resistant.<br><br> The unlimited song download deal<br><br> The better price<br><br> And finally, this is just the first generation. Does the ipod shuffle even compare to this?<br><br> -But, then again I\'m only 14. What do you decide?</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658283" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658283" href="http://Distracted2.tk/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Pwnz_You</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658283" class="dsq-comment-message">I would just like to say this is one of the most biased reviews I have seen in a while. And It shouldnt even be published. I\'ve owned 3 types of iPods and I now own a zune and I would have to say that the zune has just prooved better in general for me.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658280">shortee</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658280" class="dsq-comment-message">ok so its better for a Zune then an iPod? I\'m gettin one for X-mas im 13 and my mom wants to know which one is better so can i have some suggestions?</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658278">daniel</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658278" class="dsq-comment-message">first off, i have a zune, i like it. I think having one is kinda like "going against the man" Most of the time people come over and ask me about mine when im using it. The whole, not falling into the standard ipod fram of mind. Plus, people keep getting upset cause they can\'t find videos that they can put on their zune. i just have to say that they, are idiotic and computer illiterate. I have tons of videos on my zune that came from youtube and other places. you just have to know how to work the system. convert formats people. there are millions of easy and *FREE-Ware* to do it. so take some control over ur video issues and convert some vids.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658079">Jacob</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658079" class="dsq-comment-message">First off have any of these idiots who relly believe the crappy ipod is better than the Zune owned a Zune!!!!!!?The people who find the need to like the ipod more Are Just Mad That Thry wasted 250$ on an ipod w/o a warranty!!!!!</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658293">Haley</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658293" class="dsq-comment-message">I think that Zunes are the better product and they cost alot less than Ipods. Everyone says that Ipods are better because they have been out for a longer period of time.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658292">Haley</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658292" class="dsq-comment-message">WHO EVER THINKS IPODS ARE BETTER THATN ZUNES YOUR IDIOTS. BECAUSE ZUNES ARE WAY BETTER. MOST PEOPLE JUST LIKE IPODS BECAUSE HOW YOU TURN UP THE VOLUME!!!!!</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658298">Commentator</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658298" class="dsq-comment-message">Unfortunately the Zune cannot download television shows and such without breaking your back to get it happening (this including installing loads of software the zune doesn\'t come with)! Zunes are basically a let down to me because hardly anyone has or has heard of them. This makes it difficult to trade songs.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658304">Quintin</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658304" class="dsq-comment-message">Zune are the bom   especialy if you like halo  you should buy a halo version (sold at gamestop)   so you should get the Zune</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658309">Jim</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658309" class="dsq-comment-message">you can say wutever u want but the bottom line is that ipods suck. the shuffle is durable but has no screen. the nano\'s screen is much too small. the video ipods suck because of the battery life, they scratch really easily, and theyre 2 heavy 2 carry in ur pocket. also, itunes sucks. im just gonna buy a zune because it cant be any worse than an ipod</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658300" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658300" href="http://www.myspace.com/wilks1031" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Q</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658300" class="dsq-comment-message">Wow, Zune all the way, Bill Gates is the one that perfected the computer, Its just the beginning, you cant expect  that Zune doesn\'t have anything up there sleeve. Trust Microsoft, without microsoft, apple wouldn\'t even be here.  And dont say microsoft copied apple. You seriously think Microsoft wouldn\'t of thought of it, or eventually thought of it? I guarentee in the next 3 years(when Zune is on there feet) It will be more popular than the Ipod. Also, do you evr see computer professionals EVER using macs? No they are always usin  windows powered computer, Not macintosh(tell u sumthing?). Well it should, in the end, Microsoft is MUCH better than Apple</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658296">Donna</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658296" class="dsq-comment-message">I bought a 2 yr service contract for my IPOD Mini. Apple refuses to honor it and has basically ripped me a new rear to the tune off $200+. I\'ve ordered a Zune to replace it. Is it truly impossible to transfer 400+ downloads from ITUNES to the Zune once I get it???? Most of you are way more tech savy than me. I can\'t believe that you can steal music but can\'t transfer purchased music from one MP3 to another.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658302">jake</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658302" class="dsq-comment-message">from the reviews i have read the zune and i-pod sound equal. i own an i-pod nano. i have it full and the screeen is broken. i am looking for a new music player. the only reasons i am going for the zune us the bigger screeen, radio, and less fragile. but i found a sweet deal for a video i-pod for 180 bucks. if you have a lot of music from itunes then get an ipod. i do not have a lot of music from itunes. i only have about 30 or so songs. most of my songs are from cds. i dont listen to podcasts and i am not a video freak. i am straight forward music junky. there is only one video that i would put on it and it is one that i made. i am just looking for the device that is less complicated. the touch wheel is annoying and the ipod is to fragile. i am a rough kid and the zune is more durable. i think a made my decision. the zune. i might get the ipod since i can get for fourty dollars cheeper but i dought it.  bottom line. if you download a lot of music and you dont rough around. get an ipod. if you have a large cd collection and you run around a lot get a zune.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658295">Matthew</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658295" class="dsq-comment-message">i havent looked into the zune yet, but i do like how the 30-gb zune is available for the same price as a 4-gb ipod nano. dont get me wrong--i love the ipod nano. but i think the large capacity at the lower price is very competitive.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658314">Quinlan</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658314" class="dsq-comment-message">We all know the Zune isn\'t as good as the iPod YET! The Zune has a lot of potential. When they make the next Zune it\'ll be a lot better, and will hopefully be able to combat the iPod, or at least pose a threat.<br><br>Besides, iPod is too popular. I\'d rather do something against the crowd than with it. So I can\'t wait to (probably) get a Zune (still doing research).</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658303">Zachary</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658303" class="dsq-comment-message">It is obvious that the zune IS NOT on the same level as the ipod, but i would guess in the near future the zune will surpass the ipod. I currently own a zune and i had an ipod before it. ONE THING MOST PEOPLE WHO HAVE OWNED IPODS FAIL TO TELL ANYBODY is that IPODS HAVE A RESTRICTED CHARGE AMOUNT ON THEM, SO THEY PRETTY MUCH KILL THEMSELVES IN ABOUT A YEAR, and that SUCKS.  The zune does not do that, which i like very much, i dont wanna funnel out $250 a year just to have good portable music. The zune software is also much better then itunes, it has subscription options to where YOU CAN BUY UNLIMITED SONGS for only 14.99 a month usd, so for the price of an average cd on itunes, you can get unlimited downloads for a month on zune software.<br><br>Overall while the ipod may be better now, the zune will surpass it soon once people realize what is going on.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658310">Headphoneguy</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658310" class="dsq-comment-message">As for the podcast thing:<br>I currently have an ipod, and use Winamp to sync it<br>However, for podcasting, i still have to use itunes<br><br>Its the same for the zune, you CAN (figuratavly speaking) add podcasts to your zune, but it wont appear in a podcast area (You could make a podcast PL tho...</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658311">CantTouchthis</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658311" class="dsq-comment-message">iPod Touch<br>r u kidding me look at it<br><br>Zune is trying to compete with the gen 5 ipod now this<br><br>zune is done<br><br>or for more space get the 160 gig iPod Classic</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658297">Epoc</span>\
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	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658297" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658297" class="dsq-comment-message">I have a zune and I love it. One of my friends also bought a zune and we used the wi-fi, no big deal. Then my same friend found a video ipod on the ground. he got everything he needed for it, tried to use it and got angry he came in to school and said that he hated i-tunes and that the zune software is so much simpler to use.<br>also, the updates make it very cool because when apple adds new features to the ipod, you have to go out and spend a couple hundred dollars on a new one while with zune, you can get updates to enhace the expiriance. perhaps games will be on the way (if not, that\'s NOT why I bought my zune, it was for music and video) but ms is working on the zune.<br>And also again, who cares about the color of your music device!? and if that\'s what you\'re looking for, zune has plenty of colors. even some unusual colors that show that you are\'t an ipoder. also more duable and while walking with it just in your pants pocket and if they\'re baggy, you know you have it unlike the ipod nano\'s.<br>Zune: not winner yet, but soon. once the word is spread around...</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9658316">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658316" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658316" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658316">Salil</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658316" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658316" class="dsq-comment-message">You guys are stupid, I use torrents and limewire, so why do I need itunes? I use windows/ PC so I\'m going with the zune</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9658312">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658312" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658312" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658312">Caboose</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658312" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658312" class="dsq-comment-message">1.  The Zune 2 product line will have podcasts and smaller sizes for the people that like smaller mp3 players. and an 80gb one. Oh and for the people that like the circle movement that the iPod uses be HAPPY because Zune 2\'s have that too.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9658305">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658305" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658305" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658305">Mundi</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658305" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658305" class="dsq-comment-message">One thing that wasn\'t mentioned is the price!!! &gt;:(<br>Zune: 30 GB - $300<br><br>iPod: 8 GB - $300<br><br><br>!!!!!</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9658315">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658315" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658315" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658315">Evan Gretok</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658315" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658315" class="dsq-comment-message">Okay, clearly there have been changes to the zune since you wrote this. I just want to point out a few things.<br>1: The zune\'s 3-inch screen is awesome.<br>2: The controls take only about 30 seconds to master.<br>3: It includes EVERYTHING you need. You have to buy iTunes separatly for iPod (i don\'t like Apple\'s way of doing this)<br>4: It now has smaller flash models and a higher capacity model with touch controls.<br>5: Ever since the original release, updates have allowed it to work with more formats.<br>6: There are a few more color options (i know it isn\'t that important but...)<br>Granted Apple was first at this market, and has been the greatest since then. But, in my opinion (and this may be affected by the fact that the only iPod i ever had anything to do with never worked), its time for the zune to take the throne. Of course the player you buy really depends on what you want. Apple fanboys will always love the iPod. But the time of the zune is coming, and it showed an extreme amount of improvement since its launch, and it\'ll get even better. I have nothing against the iPod, i just love the zune.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9658294">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658294" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658294" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658294">kevin</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658294" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658294" class="dsq-comment-message">i believe that in about 5 years the zune will definately be the superior mp3 player over ipod.  How many generations of the ipod has apple gone through?  6?  the zune is about to be in its second generation.  No wonder it seems so inferior.  Once microsoft improves the product line, makes better use of the wifi feature, and makes better design decisions everyone will want it.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9658313">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658313" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658313" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658313" href="http://www.digiton.pl/category/zune/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">zune</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658313" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658313" class="dsq-comment-message">It very hard for me to read all about zune</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9658306">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658306" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658306" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658306">bobo bobobo</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658306" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658306" class="dsq-comment-message">i have decided to buy and ipod!</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9658318">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658318" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658318" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658318">Sleepy Almond</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658318" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658318" class="dsq-comment-message">I own an iPod touch... The Wi-Fi is fast but there is no Flash or Java yet... If the Zune uses Explorer browser then it will be able to run Flash and(?) Java... So far I\'m content with my iPod... But I\'m still waiting for the Flash... Steve Jobs announced that there wont be any Java on iPod touch... Maybe Flash...<br><br>- <a href="mailto:Sleepy.Almond@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">Sleepy.Almond@gmail.com</a></div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9658317">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658317" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658317" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658317">jeff</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658317" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658317" class="dsq-comment-message">i dont know what podcast is or DRMs is but the zune kicks the poo out of the ipod....why do people make them seem so difficult.with all these big words when there comparing them...its a f****** square wit music in it..thats all u need to know..... all i know is that the zune has a big colored screen and u can put pictures as ur backround and it has a radio so its better thats all that matters...peace</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9658308">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658308" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658308" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658308">Mikey</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658308" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658308" class="dsq-comment-message">Okay im a teenager, and i will say that having an Ipod isn\'t as much of a big deal anymore seeing as a lot of kids can\'t afford one. On that note though,I\'ve had both a Zune and an Ipod, and out of bolth, i kept the Ipod. Why? Because of the little things, one the Ipod is smaller and holds less, this may not seem like a big issue, but it is since most people stick thier media player in their pocket. another one is i love itunes. You can basicaly find anything you want on there. Movies, your favorite tv shows, and music videos. Third would be it works on windows and mac, which is good because everybody i know has a different computer. There\'s more products from third parties out there for ipods. and finally Its and easy to use product without complications. Your ipod freezes up you push 2 buttons, and voila its fixed.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9658301">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658301" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658301" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658301" href="http://spendmoneyhere.com/psp-sites-review" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Psp Game Download Services Rev</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658301" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658301" class="dsq-comment-message">You should really check out the website link below. It reviewes all major psp download services</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9658299">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658299" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658299" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658299" href="http://spendmoneyhere.com/psp-sites-review" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Psp Blender Review</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658299" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658299" class="dsq-comment-message">I found a website reviewing most psp download products check it out!</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9658307">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658307" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658307" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-9658307">Navneet</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658307" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658307" class="dsq-comment-message">Hi Guys.<br>I have used both the Zune and the iPod (Classic and Shuffle)<br>Zune sucks. Its Zune software on the PC is a pain. Compare that to iTunes - really no effort required for doing even new stuff.<br><br>Actual Zune interface is also tacky. But that may be because iPods controls are revolutionary. But patented interface or otherwise, Zune did come out after iPod had been released for a substantial time. Microsoft had experienced the quality of the product that was in the market. Is this the best that they could do?</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-9658320">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-9658320" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-9658320" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-9658320" href="http://www.ipod-repair-guide.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">iPod Repair</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-9658320" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-9658320" class="dsq-comment-message">Good article.  I love to download music for my iPod; one of the best gadgets I have.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-11564218">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-11564218" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-11564218" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-11564218" href="http://www.facebook.com/people/Elena-Wasnak/1473422033" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Elena Wasnak</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-11564218" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-11564218" class="dsq-comment-message">Here\'s the deal: Microsoft doesn\'t always have the best track record when it comes to quality products. I don\'t even have an iPod but I would splurge on one before I bought the Zune. If I\'m going to lay down the cash I need to know it\'s going to last me and the and that the hardware and software will be dependable.<br><br>Besides. Microsoft will never be able to appeal to the same market Apple does. No contest.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 </ul>\
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