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Re: Dave Winer was right about river reading

Rick Blaiklock — Thu, 02 Nov 2006 17:33:22 -0000

I'm surprised - no one has mentioned OnFolio.

It does everything Google does and more. Only drawback is when they were acquired by MS, the support for Firefox stopped.

Re: Dave Winer was right about river reading

Kirk Colvin — Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:38:44 -0000

Yes noticed that Firefox was a bit faster. We're getting ready for a new release in 1-2 weeks that adds even more powerful features like tabbed browsing and some interesting database mining tools.

Hope you'll all least give Snarfer a try. Hey you can uninstall it and it doens't leave anything behind so there's no downside.

Cheers,
Kirk

Re: Dave Winer was right about river reading

Robert Scoble — Thu, 02 Nov 2006 12:16:06 -0000

Ian and Kirk, I do agree that offline is a killer feature, though. It's why I keep FeedDemon and ITunes and Fireant.tv and Attensa going.

Re: Dave Winer was right about river reading

Robert Scoble — Thu, 02 Nov 2006 12:14:37 -0000

Kirk: are you using Firefox 2 with Google Reader? It pops right up for me in less than four seconds and is faster to get through feeds than any feed reader I know of. J J J J J J and I'm through six items, no clicking, no scrolling. If you can read all your feeds and drink a cup of coffee in four seconds (and that's on my slow IBM ThinkPad, it's even faster on my new MacPro) then you're a lot faster than me. Not to mention that I kick open a ton of browser windows in the morning and go back and forth.

Re: Dave Winer was right about river reading

Kirk Colvin — Thu, 02 Nov 2006 09:49:42 -0000

Robert: Many thanks for your comments, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Snarfer users (50,000+) believe speed is the most important function of a reader. While Google Reader is still loading your feed page Snarfer users have finished reading their feeds and are enjoying a nice cup of coffee.

We designed and built Snarfer (snarfware.com) for power feed users who need to read 100s (even 1000s) of feeds fast AND perform analyses of that data. A nice note is we did this in a 360kb download that includes a custom SQL database (that's an accomplishment all by itself).

We know many folks like Google Reader but when you try Snarfer you'll never go back to a browser based slow reader. Like Google's Reader, Snarfer is FREE and contains no spyware or adware. So load it up and try it, honest you'll never go back.

Cheers,
Kirk

Re: Dave Winer was right about river reading

iwilker — Wed, 01 Nov 2006 20:04:42 -0000

I like the looks of the Google Reader and have played with it a bit, but I'm pretty happy with Attensa for Outlook. Can't believe it only came up in a sole pingback here!

First of all, I like desktop apps that can be used offline (I get a lot of reading in hunched over my laptop on the NYC subway, believe it or not). (Prior to using Attensa I was a diehard FeedDemon fan; I still like FeedDemon but have switched for reasons that will become clear.)

Secondly, Attensa's tagging syncs well with del.icio.us, and it works beautifully in IE7 -- there are at least two great Firefox extensions for posting to del.icio.us, but this is the best I've seen for IE -- I like a popup form that allows me to toggle back to the page I'm bookmarking to have another look, which I often need to do while filling out the del.icio.us comment field.

Finally, I'm the social-web evangelist within my org and am always puzzling out which will be the easiest tools for busy staffers whose interests, more often than not, do not include playing with web apps. These people are already intimately familiar with Outlook -- why not give them an RSS reader that slots in with what they're comfortable with, and also slots into both Firefox and IE7 as a tagging tool?

I'm subscribed to hundreds of feeds, far more, sadly, than I can actually keep up with. I use the river-of-news view in Attensa, which is quite good I think. It uses attention data to surface the feeds you read the most (you can also sort by date.) I have a couple folders set up for the feeds I absolutely want to read daily and would like to read daily, and then about 15 other folders that I cull, through search, for whatever topic I want to read about on a given day. (Better than splog-filled technorati.)

Maybe I'd choose differently if I didn't have this interest in encouraging the RSS habit across the enterprise. But for those whose enterprise is not entirely populated by geeks with mad skills, Attensa's looking pretty good to me

Re: Dave Winer was right about river reading

Paul Short — Wed, 01 Nov 2006 20:04:32 -0000

I switched to Google Reader a couple of weeks ago and it's absolutely great compared to others I've used. What I especially like about it is the river style when you scan all headlines in a folder, AND, the keyboard shortcuts. Just click to open the first headline, then use the spacebar to go to the next, and so on. It's amazing how something so simple can be so effective.

In reply to the first commenter: Wouldn't it be nice if you had an RSS reader that actually learned which feeds and topics you liked the most? ;-)

Re: Dave Winer was right about river reading

kota — Wed, 01 Nov 2006 12:09:39 -0000

I just knew from Google Reader from you, and I tried it. Ten minutes later I was moving from Bloglines.
Now addicted as many as you at KKKKK! (yeh i start by the old ones).
Cheers

Re: Dave Winer was right about river reading

Michiel — Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:50:34 -0000

I use Omea Reader which works fine for me as it stores all the feeds in a nice big searchable database (to my knowledge this is still lacking in google reader)

but I did export my OPML file and upload it into Google for when I am on the road and without notebook.

Re: Dave Winer was right about river reading

George Luft — Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:39:16 -0000

I agree, Robert. Google Reader is the way to go. I have probably doubled the number of feeds I have been able to keep up with in the past month or so. I have tried using the folders feature for organizing feeds--especially high priority versus others--with mixed results.

Re: Dave Winer was right about river reading

Robert Scoble — Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:20:20 -0000

Kirk: I tried to try it, but I use a Macintosh now (at least part of the time) and Windows XP is required. Google wins because of that fact alone. Sorry.

Also, Snarfer doesn't have a river of news feature that I can see on its Web page. Also, I don't see keyboard shortcuts for Snarfer. Maybe it has them, but it doesn't have a list right there. Also, I don't see a way to share feed items with other people with Snarfer.

So, Google Reader wins. Next!

Re: Dave Winer was right about river reading

Kirk Colvin — Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:11:47 -0000

Two years in development, Snarfer is by far the fastest, easiest, reader. All format compliant and always free (no spyware, no adware).

At least try it, you'll never go back to Google.

Re: Dave Winer was right about river reading

Rob — Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:18:11 -0000

I used Bloglines exclusively for quite a while. I tried Google Reader when it first came out and liked how uncluttered it was. However I found myself switching back to Bloglines rather quickly.

But now it is exclusively the updated Google Reader. I love how easy it is to select a feed; g then u, type in the first few letters of the feed...jjj.

In Bloglines I absolutely hated it when you selected a feed that I hadn't read in a while and marked everything as read. It is great that Reader does not do this until you actually select the post.

Re: Dave Winer was right about river reading

engtech — Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:36:09 -0000

update to #49

Using tags for river-of-news works well. I had to throw away the Reader-in-Gmail Greasemonkey extension because it only allows all tags.

I still have problems with that one feed I can't delete. I can't change tags on it either. GRRR.

Re: Dave Winer was right about river reading

Bob Lee — Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:18:05 -0000

To everyone who says they want more than one river in Google Reader, try tags (or labels or folders as the UI also calls them, it's all the same). The great thing about tags compared to folders is that I can have the same feed under more than one tag. I have tags such as "mustread", "highvolume", "friend", "apple", "humor", etc.

For example, some feeds tagged with "apple" are also tagged "mustread". If I feel like a little more Apple after I'm finished reading my "mustread" feeds, I click on the "apple" tag.

Re: Dave Winer was right about river reading

Kevin Dente — Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:09:45 -0000

Due to email foul-ups at work, I just had to switch from NewsGator to Google Reader. So far, I'm liking it more than I expected. There's definitely room for improvement (the subscription bar needs to be resizable, and the two-hotkey requirement to skip to the next feed makes no sense), but it's still quite effective.

The thing that I miss from Newsgator the most is Fetch-links.

Re: Dave Winer was right about river reading

engtech — Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:56:19 -0000

@scoble(#2) - multiple accounts becomes a headache because of trying to keep them open at the same time (at least it can with multiple Gmail accounts).

@jay(#26) - I'm going to try that.

Re: Dave Winer was right about river reading

Chris — Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:47:19 -0000

I went away all weekend, and returned to see my GReader was up to over 100 (all it says is 100+)... it was a little daunting, but not nearly so bad as if I had still been using RSS Bandit and had to sift through the different layers of organization.

I love the river, what can I say.

Re: Dave Winer was right about river reading

Noah Mittman — Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:57:44 -0000

Yeah, I switched as well, and the only thing that would improve the package for me is if the mobile reader had an expanded mode.

There's two things to worry about in mobiles and that's storage and network. The current Google Reader Mobile is great for common cell phones that have low storage or memory on their embedded browsers but going back and forth between posts is a pain when the latency is as bad as it can be with some providers.

I'm on a Sidekick which has a great mobile browser and EDGE speeds, but not only do I need to deal with cell latency, I also have to face the Sidekick web service as well, which scales down/proxies pages and is sometimes an extra layer of "slowness."

If there was an option where I could get a river of 20 items a page, all exposed at once, it would be perfect as I'm not worried about download costs or memory limitations -- just the actual act of requesting new page views for every read.