Am I the only one who thinks that the N95's photo above is better than that of the iPhone?
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
Rob: you missed my point. It +is+ better.
But the iPhone is WAY better in every other respect.
JoeM
· 2 years ago
Looks good, but no windows OS :(, no removable battery, no Nextel, otherwise I would get it.
Brian Lewis
· 2 years ago
To me it looks like a white-balance issue(with the iPhone), that should be fixable in a firmware revision. I noticed that camera settings are missing from the UI.
Elyana
· 2 years ago
that's one of the first things that i went to find out once i heard about the iPhone. and got very dissappointed in iPhone before it even came out. and to tell you the truth there are a lot of weirdos like us that do care about the quality of the pictures.
Preston
· 2 years ago
Wow, it's incredible how different the photos are. The bottom shot seems washed out with blues. I wonder if there's anything else (like the settings) to explain the difference...
Ricky Cadden
· 2 years ago
Interesting thoughts, Robert. Frankly, I don't see them as "competitors" as much as different offerings. But that's another conversation.
There are a few things that keep me from wanting an iPhone for full-time use:
1. the touch interface. I've tried it, and hated it. Improved or not, I simply don't like not having tactile feedback.
2. no voice dial - I use this constantly and the speaker-independent voice dial on Nokias is awesome
3. No syncing via BT. This is another big one, to me, and something that keeps me away from Windows Mobile devices, as well. I like that by the time I get to my desk, my N95 has already talked with my computer and synced contacts/calendar/notes/todo/bookmarks/pictures/VIDEOS/SMS/MMS, without me having to touch either device.
4. The lack of video. That's just unbelievable to me.
There's a few others, but I can also see your point of view. As a confessed S60 fanboy (Heck I run a Symbian blog!), I put up with things that most people wouldn't. The battery life, the out of memory, etc. They don't phase me, but I've "grown up" with them, as well.
I'm glad that the iPhone is doing well. It has a TON of effect on the industry as a whole, and it's teaching consumers, manufacturers, and carriers an entirely new way to do things.
penguinsix
· 2 years ago
It's almost like there is a polarization filter on the iphone.
Jason
· 2 years ago
Robert,
Is this is a picture from your house? It looks a lot different (read: better) than Bothell!
Jason
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
The iPhone has a much cheaper and smaller lens. It doesn't have autofocus. It has a much cheaper sensor which is only 2 megapixels. The Nokia is 5.
Yeah, some of the color stuff can be fixed in updates, but not the sharpness or resolution.
mini-d
· 2 years ago
Sorry Robert, as Job states, getting a real camera is la solución.
I'm photographer and, taking photos from any phone is a joke.
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
Jason: the photo above is from the Ritz in Half Moon Bay. 10 minutes walk from my house, but not my house. :-)
Sam Jackson
· 2 years ago
Having used a Q for nearly a year now and tweaked it obsessively to my needs, I can go for pretty much anything these days--my reasons for getting a Q were based first and foremost on the need for something low profile; I didn't carry my old samsung in my pockets bc it was too big (though normal by most people's standards). Pretty straightforward, right? BUT as a subsequent heavy data user and info addict, I would find non-3G completely, completely unacceptable for the prices paid for phone / data. The iPhone is nice and shiny and if I had a lot of money and didn't use data the way I do, or e-mail, it would be nice. But it just fails in too many respects for me to even really desire it for anything besides the interface / looks, although the touch bugs me a bunch sometimes. So, I dunno. I'm excited for the innovation, but already long since hugely pissed with the hype and the bullshit.
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
mini-d: I'm a photographer too and I'd rather have my photos up on Flickr as soon as I take them.
If you look at my Flickr account you'll see that my photos are pretty high quality. Not Thomas Hawk or Ansel Adams quality, but pretty good nonetheless.
Paul Roundy
· 2 years ago
The killer part of the iphone is the ipod integration. It rocks. I just went for a run with one device instead of two and that was great. The camera does stink but it is fine for those spur of the moment pictures when your D80 isn't handy.
Sam Jackson
· 2 years ago
Also, with new optics and the new magical high tech lens that are flat, etc, high megapixel, bla bla bla, we'll start to see pretty darn awesome cameras in cameras not long from now. Also, mini-d, there are some cool examples of REAL LIFE PHOTOGRAPHERS!!! professionals, in fact, doing some things with cameraphones. :P
William
· 2 years ago
Real photographers only use their cell phones to talk on and don't post their photos on Flickr. Flickr? LOL
DaveD
· 2 years ago
Apple fan here...
So you're saying you prefer the closed architecture of iPhone? That the internet surfing experience is better? That no copy/paste isn't noticable?
I haven't used either. But with AT&T being a big issue where I live, I was leaning towards Nokia. Not because of quality of service primarily, but because of all the things I asked about.
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
DaveD: yes, that's what I'm saying. The iPhone is a better complete experience than any other phone.
My Nokia doesn't have copy/paste either.
Ben
· 2 years ago
Well, the n95 *does* have copy&paste, but it's not a feature which is available in the browser.
I'm in no doubts regarding the superior UX of the iPhone, but there is one thing which is really stopping me from buying. Tell me Robert, could you compose an SMS with one hand on the iPhone?
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
Ben: yes, I can type with one hand on the iPhone. It takes some getting used to, though, and is definitely not the way I'll usually type.
Again, if you are a heavy QWERTY/thumb keyboard user you'll probably not be a happy user of the iPhone.
Ricky Cadden
· 2 years ago
1. Depending on what you're going to be doing with your photos, a 5MP cam with autofocus is MUCH better than a 2MP without, and a separate cam is overkill.
2. The N95 can copy/paste any text that's selectable. If you've got a cursor, hold the "pencil" key and move with the D-Pad. Keep holding it, and you'll notice that the softkeys are now "Copy" and "Paste" (Paste only if you've already copied something earlier).
3. With iTunes Agent, you can easily sync your Nokia (or anything else that shows up as a mass storage device, for that matter) with iTunes (other than, obviously, DRMd tracks. I do this with my N95 daily.
SpinPapi
· 2 years ago
I love the civilized convo here among Mac users like myself. So sweet! A few thoughts however:
- This isn't about those who think one should always take photos with real cameras. This is about those of us nerd/geeks who like to use our cameraphones and wish they were the best. Nothin wrong with that. Please stay on topic tho! =]
- I love my Treo 700p and have no plans to upgrade to iPhone though I think it's neat, at least not in the next year or two anyway. I can do tons (like music production) with my Treo that iPhone can't get near quite yet.
- I'd recommend an iPhone over a Treo to any new smartphone user anyday. I WISH the Treo was so easy to sync. Should iCal on the iPhone support multiple calendars? Sure! But it will. There isn't tons missing from iPhone syncables.
- A camera that really compares to that awesome N95 shot you have above there, S, will be the nail in the coffin for Apple's competition. Oh yeah. And third party Cocoa apps with an officially supported SKD please!!!
Much love for all my techie homies...
Mike
· 2 years ago
Try syncing the iPhone pictures with iPhoto. When you post via email from the iPhone, the pictures are only 640x480, but when it syncs to iPhoto, you get the full resolution of 1600x1200.
lali
· 2 years ago
I downloaded the iphone photo and adjusted for white balance and recovered some of the pixels in the shadow areas. Here are the results. I used Adobe Lightroom for the image manipulation.
Looks like there is some problem with the white balance processing in the iphone.
Disclaimer: I don't own an iPhone and cannot afford to get one anytime in the near future.
lali
· 2 years ago
Click on my name 'lali' to see the processed iphone picture
Diego
· 2 years ago
I'm surprised you haven't complained because it doesn't have a HD camera! :)
Diego
· 2 years ago
And Steve Jobs would be right, if you want dramatically better photos, get a camera.
LayZ
· 2 years ago
@@29. Well, with the white balance adjustments made, looks like there is no discernible difference in "quality" when viewed on such a small screen.
Barbarossa
· 2 years ago
Just for a try, I threw those two shots into GraphicConverter and tried to adjust the color of the iPhone shot. I’m not very good at this, but I did get the color a little better, but not a perfect match:
Brightness: Red +41, Green +37, Blue +26 Contrast: Red +11, Green -5, Blue +38 Hue: Red -6, Green -12, Blue -7 Saturation: -26
I would say that's WAY off. Can't the color balance be tweaked in the software of the camera?
Erick
· 2 years ago
I'm so glad you get it and understand what the iPhone is all abuot. It's not the amount of feature you can pack on a device, its the experience and usability. The iPhone is a game changer, heck its like Star Trek Next Generation device in your hand today! The battery just last and last on this thing, which I was skeptical and the screen really is tough and scratch, and it wasn't just marketing hype. Just need activesync as soon as possible to really make this a game changer in the industry.
Swissfondue
· 2 years ago
Ricky said: "I put up with things that most people wouldn’t [...] They don’t phase me, but I’ve “grown up” with them, as well."
Translation: I've grown to accept that a crappy experience is the norm.
'bout the same reason why many Windows users will never upgrade to Mac OS ;)
Tough interview questions
· 2 years ago
Robert, accept it. If you are really that serious about photography, you wouldn't use a cell phone camera in the first place. I view the iPhone as a productivity enhancer, recreation & communication tool. Given that i would switch to iPhone anytime, if I were you. additionally carry a good digi-cam to take pics, if you really care. Just my 2 cents.
- prem
Harry
· 2 years ago
Go buy a digital SLR and realise what you are missing by taking photos on a camera with a tiny lens.
RS
· 2 years ago
Its kind of funny that you say the browser is better when both the N95 and iPhone are based on the same rendering engine. The iPhone touch interface maybe more to your liking of course, but then you give up RSS, visual history, minimap etc etc.
Most of the people raving about the iPhone are doing so because they like touch. That's not a bad thing of course.
Of course the thing that really gets me is no third party software. Most commentators are blowing this off which surprises me. If this were any other company people would be screaming closed garden, end to control, lock in etc. etc. Its the anti-thesis of the web 2.0 ideal. Apple whole modus operandi is about total control and to me that old fashioned and in the long term unhealthy.
Jake
· 2 years ago
Course Shozu is an automatic thing (its just uploads to flickr in the background + other services and blogs) with a better experience than continually emailing photos.
Mike
· 2 years ago
For me the iPhone showstopper is not the lack of a high quality camera, because I wouldn't ever want to rely on my phone for any serious photography. Casual photography - sure.
But the lack of a GPS *is* a showstopper for me. And if the original poster owned a car, he would agree with me :-)
Seriously though, GPS enabled phones is the next big thing in the mobile industry. Just like cameras were back a few years ago. It's already quite silly that the iPhone comes with a map application but it has no GPS - you have to manually point out where you are.
An iPhone with GPS will be launched within one year. And when it is, I might consider it.
Camera Core
· 2 years ago
Ouch - that's quite a difference. I think this could be one area that Apple may have underestimated - as phones morph into full-blown multimedia devices, the camera quality is still going to be an important selling point. Thanks for underlining that.
t3mujin
· 2 years ago
I have not one but two SLR cameras, a digital and an old school fully manual film camera that has 20 years old, with a pretty decent set of lenses for each one of them, but having a decent camera in my phone is a must. An SLR is larger than a camera phone, or even a point and shoot, and it's not that practical but a small camera you can take everywhere and capture,
For me having a decent camera phone is a way to always have a camera with me, I use my SE K750 like a Lomo camera: shoot, shoot and shoot.
I'll give you one big reason for buying the N95 over the iPhone: you live in Europe and don't have a choice!
We don't have the option of getting the iPhone yet, and nobody really knows when we will. Right now, the N95 is the best phone on the European market.
Personally, I think we might not see the iPhone over here until 3G is implemented.
Andrea Moretto
· 2 years ago
IMHO the lack of 3G support is quite a pain! EDGE is not enough if you plan to use it hardly. Moreover it's not opened as Symbians.
I would still buy one, but I'm italian and I heard that WiFi support is limited to AT&T hotspots. Is it true? I will be in California next week, can I buy one without signing a AT&T subscription?
Thanks.
Andrea
Shaun
· 2 years ago
@lali - I hope all iPhone users have fun touching up every picture they take.. LOL.
On the N95, we just snap a shot, then press one button to upload the (great looking) photo straight to Flickr...
Swissfondue
· 2 years ago
The main problem in Europe is not the absence of the iPhone, but the horrendously expensive data plans. Living in Switzerland, it is too easy to be suddenly roaming on a network from a foreign provider (which is very expensive). I hope Apple can negotiate a deal which includes a pan-european data plan with a single provider which will bring down the costs to a more acceptable level. That is why I never use my K800i for browsing. It is just too expensive.
Peter
· 2 years ago
There are 3 things preventing me from getting an iPhone (actually 4 - since it's not out in Europe yet)
1. Camera quality and resolution
2. No Navigation software (TomTom) (I'm not talking about built in GPS, but the inability to install a proper navigation program.
3. No VOIP (for cheap/free calls home to my family when I'm traveling with work around Europe).
I agree that the user experience on the iPhone is second to none, and hopefully it will make other manufacturers work harder, I would also love to get that good battery performance - but without the 3 things above, it's not ready to replace my N95 yet
neverness
· 2 years ago
I would recommend to wait some time, my personal experience is that with these sorts of gadgets, I'm in heaven the first few weeks, playing around with it, and then i start to use it for what it was initially meant.
In the case of a phone, it's meant for making phone calls and the video's I've seen, this process is somewhat lengthy (especially because of the absence of shortcuts).
Anyways, would i recommend to wait till they've got a version running in Europe, because overhere it should have more capabilities and in some eu countries it's forbidden to implement a sim lock :). Giving you total freedom over the phone...
Chris Gonyea
· 2 years ago
For me, once my Verizon contract ends next year, I am getting an iPhone. There is no debate at all about it. For the first time, there is a phone that won't make me want to chuck it against a brick wall.
Podesta
· 2 years ago
David Pogue offered some advice regarding the camera on the iPhone in his review in the NYT.
"The two-megapixel camera takes great photos, provided the subject is motionless and well lighted . But it can’t capture video. And you can’t send picture messages (called MMS) to other cellphones."
The first real life shots I saw from an iPhone, taken by the people at the front of the 300-person line at the Apple Store (they activated from their laptops using the store's Wi-Fi hotspot) were indeed dark and blue oriented. That particular store is on the basement level of the mall, about 25 feet from the atrium, the only natural light source. But, the pictures I and others have taken outside in daylight have been comparable to my 5 MP Pentax digicam's. I have't tested motion pictures yet, but would like to hear about how well they come out on the N95, Robert.
Tim
· 2 years ago
@3: Joe, two of your three sound like good reasons people SHOULD get an iPhone. ;) - Tim
Tari
· 2 years ago
You are right. The iPhone is better in every aspect. Well, except for: 1. GPS. But who really need that? 2. MMS. But who really need that? 3. 3G. But who really need that? 4. The better cam. But who really need that? 5. BT Sync. But who really need that? 6. TV out. But who really need that? 7. Much smaller size. But who really need that? 8. The option to run Orb. But who really need that? 9. Slingbox. But who really need that? aso aso aso
Get over the hype and look at the real world facts. The iPhone is missing quite a few important things. Maybe it will be the phone to have when v2.0 hits the market, but not right now.
Oh, and don't say 'get a real camera' because we all have that, but never carry them around. I thought that 'get a real camera' argument was dead a long time ago, but I guess I was wrong...
Maurice Prather
· 2 years ago
Out of curiousity... have you really sat down and compared the functionatilty of a SmartPhone to that of an iPhone?
Tomi Itkonen
· 2 years ago
Just watched the iPhone Guided Tour video on apple.com.
I really must applaud the iPhone interface designers. They really know how to keep the user experience flowing and how to make the small screen work as an advantage. Animation plays a part in aiding the user to remember the context; what he was doing. And the fade and other visual effects are pleasing to the eye.
There's no need for the usual UI clutter: overlapping windows, scroll bars, minimize/close icons, ...
That said, I think that there could be some kind of an Dragon's Lair effect going on: looks good, but after a few weeks time, the edges of the user experience cage become apparent. We'll see...
chris
· 2 years ago
the iphone is probably the cellphone with the best design. the software design is great. the touchscreen feature is nice to have but not really a reason to buy this phone. I rather stick to my N95, because I love playing 3D games. I love my 5mpix cam it truly takes dvd like movies. there are so many great apps for the n95 available, the iphone doesn't offer that many great apps. I can communicate with every IM, I can use VOIP, I can edit office files with my wireless and foldable bluetooth keyboard. I could go on for hours.. so please be honest to yourself and admit that the iphone has a great design, but it is not using the actual technical standard of 2007. With all of the things it's lacking the phone seems to be from 2004. check this picture out too: http://darlamack.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized...
Nathan
· 2 years ago
iPhone lost me with the price without the synch from Outlook. It still means I need to carry 2 things, 3 if you sount my video camera...(phone, iPaq, video)
Geoffrey
· 2 years ago
I purchased an n95 after researching it and the iphone. Ive owned several macs and several ipods and I respect Jobs marketing savvy and Apple's commitment to a slick, well designed, easy to use product. But I still bought an n95 because I wanted a real convergence device.
I drove from Maine to Arizona using the gps on the n95. It was, simply, amazing. I took 5mp, high quality pictures on the trip. I did some geo-encoding just for the fun of it. I downloaded 8gb of my music library to the n95 (4 chips) and my daughter and I compared the n95 sound to the ipod... couldn't tell the difference!
Someone earlier on in the thread said they bought the iphone so they wouldn't have to take two devices with them anymore on their runs (a phone and an ipod).
I bought the n95 so I wouldn't have to take FOUR devices with me when I cycle... On every cycle, the gps in the n95 tracks my route, speed, time, distance, and lets me export it to a satellite photo on google earth when Im done (Nokia Sportstracker). I listen to 4gb of music while I'm cycling (I got a 4gb chip and will buy the 8gb chip due out this fall)... I stop and take pictures of birds and the occasional snake on my route... And I can answer the phone.
Battery life? Who cares? I'm only carrying one battery, after all, not four... maybe I'll bring a spare - I'm still WAY ahead of the game.
pseudofinn
· 2 years ago
I cannot believe this.
Robert- "The iPhone is superior in almost every way to the Nokia N95."
is as much of a lie as Steve Job's saying the iPhone is 5 years ahead of anything else.
It's two years behind mobile technology. The camera is clearly an afterthought, the UI is great, sure- but what does the "experience" matter with such a feature-lacking device? The list of features missing from the iPhone that a standard smartphone will do is staggering- let alone a Nokia N95. Comparing the two is just absurd, as is this blog now.
Very disappointing that you've been blinded by the Apple marketing machine, Robert.
A pretty experience to go along with the lack of video, flash, MMS, removable battery/media/sim card, the lack of VOIP, instant messaging, GPS, Bluetooth syncing, WIFI file transfer, wireless stereo audio? The list goes on all day long. Face it- it's pretty, it's cool, but it's a joke to the smartphone world.
srikanth
· 2 years ago
I don't see any point. Why are you comparing 2MP picture vs 5MP picture?
kamla bhatt
· 2 years ago
I am curious to know about the data connectivity on the iPhone. How is the EDGE network working out in the SF Bay area? Does it automatically switch to WiFi mode? Curious to know.
kamla
James Lipsey
· 2 years ago
Robert, I took the liberty of downloading your iPhone photo and running it through Adobe Photoshop Elements' one-click "auto smart fix".here is the result.
Still not as good as the N95, but probably a fair assessment of the degree of improvement available to Apple in future software upgrades.
mariano
· 2 years ago
Robert, without any intention of being a troll... youre comparing apples and oranges; How can you say the iPhone is "superior in almost every way to the Nokia" and talk about battery life when you have a 3Gphone, with GPS, 5mpx camera.... vs a phone that have none of those things.
Just to take one of your points: Right, the battery is better; because it uses a slow EDGE network while the 3G networks drain your power all the time the phone is on... but, hey you can even open the Nokia and replace the battery something you cant do with the iPhone.
And yes i do own a N95 and i´ll be buying a iPhone also (as soon as they get to europe)... both are excellent products but you cant say one is "superior in almost every way to the" other cause they are diferent kind of devices.
Victor
· 2 years ago
Here is an article on 5 reasons not to get the iPhone.
That is a nice photo from the N95 - is there a thin camera with wifi? Wonder if that would pair up with the iphone?
Annoyed
· 2 years ago
Robert, with pure intention of trolling - you are an ill-informed moron who has just been wowed by a pretty interface! The iPhone is inferior in every way to the N95 with the exception of the 'beauty' factor. That's where it stops. But I guess you can say what you want because you have a popular blog, or do you just want to get in well with Steve Jobs?
Seriously, for a 'technology evangelist' you should be ashamed of yourself.
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
Annoyed: ahh, the Nokia trolls are here. Are you paid by Nokia? Is your job threatened by Apple? Are you a Verizon rep? It's pretty clear you haven't had your hands on either a Nokia or an iPhone. But, it's a free country and any anonymous a##h##e can spout whatever he or she wants for whatever reason. Have a good one!
tpmjg
· 2 years ago
As with the 5MP + Carl Zeiss autofokus lenses the N95 is the first mobile phone that allows me to leave the camera at home in many situations, THIS IS important. Have you compared through how many menues you have to navigate until you can take a photo with the iPhone? With the N95 you just open the lense protector and go ahead!
The N95 allows me also to forget about my separate GPS navigation PDA in the future (e.g. when driving together with a friend) and I have free of charge maps for nearly all important locations worldwide. And with the 4GB microSD card now I also can get rid of my iPod and a FM Tuner. And top of all it makes my separate SIP phone redundant.
So at least 4 other devices that drove me crazy to keep all charged are redundant now and this let's me get a positive view regarding the battery live of the N95. Just consider to have a car adapter and eventually an USB charge adapter for the N95.
And als very important for me in Germany to have UMTS and HSCSD (high speed packet data of up to 3.6 MBit). Perhaps the 2nd generation of the iPhone will have that but until then my N95 will make a perfect job.
chris
· 2 years ago
please, Mr. Scoble.. no need to use that kind of language.. I have had my hands on both and I am glad that I own one of them. It's simply bad to compare these two phones since they are totally different. Don't get me wrong- I LUUUUVVVV the Iphone design and the unique UI, but that's about it.
Comic Strip Blogger
· 2 years ago
dump nokia, buy yourself tiny 6-10 megapixel camera, and get iphone!
these days small camersa with 6-10 megapixel are tiny and very good...
Thomson
· 2 years ago
Are u drunk Robert??? N95 is so much better then the stupid iphone. Wake up dude.
Noah
· 2 years ago
Pshaw. I've already been through this with my Sidekick III. In fact, I think the Sidekick is a much more apt comparison to the iPhone than the Nokia is, because they both focus extremely hard on creating an integrated experience around a core set of basic features. The Sidekick is a special Java platform and apps must be certified and go through interface and performance review before becoming installable. And coincidentally enough they both do not have video or MMS (in the States, the MMS app was removed).
I totally miss the Sidekick III experience because it was seamless, it never crashed and it just worked. But seriously, that one experience is the only experience you get. Nothing more. For the always-curious out there, a smartphone platform is ideal. As easy as the Sidekick made communicating, it's limitations ultimately bored me. Skype? Newsgator? Nope. I'm not even sure if Google Maps came out for it. Devices like those will always be behind the curve within in the market at large, but it will always excel at the manufacturer's vision of what that kind of device should be from start to finish.
In the end, this is great for everyone. Apple has been the leader in this domain since the II and I'm so happy that they're forcing everyone to step up their game. But to broadly say that the iPhone is superior in all ways to the Nokia N95 belies the fact that the iPhone is superior to all other phones for the average user who wants just the essential pieces of the web with them. For advanced users, who I presume are your readers, it's simply not that black and white.
The (slightly flawed, but close enough) analogy? "Safari on the Mac is the only browser you need, so long as you don't need Firefox extensions."
Lord Barron
· 2 years ago
I really have to disagree, GPS is a useful function for navigation, 3G is a useful function for data requirements, a smart phone OS (ie symbian) is made for phones while a OSX is made for Macs not phones, there for navigation etc are in my opinion fine tuned with the nokia s60 phones over any other phone. the n80/95 have a rich high res screen, which may i add doesnt get covered in finger smudges like the iphone. The iphone is a brick, the n95 does have a good battery life, urs most be broke!, the n95 has a camera good enough to take photos with for everyday/holiday snaps, my old n80 took snaps that have got kudos from pro photographers and thats a mere 3mp. the n95 has third party apps, not glorified web applications, which may I add could run java applets. my nokia has so many tools I couldnt think of anything it hasn't covered. the iphone has a touch screen but not finger print recognition (something they cud of added to the bottom). omg the n95 takes sim cards! so ur not stuck on a rubbish network. the iphone is for posers, yes it has an intuative control interface but it is not 5 years before its time, is a MAC which means trouble, it always has. no voip, no push to talk. The nokia have posistioned themselves well in the market, business users will opt for the n95, the hardcore will opt for the n95 and the camera junkies will still go for the n95. the iphone will go to the media suckers, the people who are iCrazy and to tech heads who have every gadget under the sun.$2000 for a phone, no way sir. nokia know phones,, but apple did a pretty good job for a first attempt, cant wait for sony ericson to blow it wide open with a psp phone may the battle commence!
Mike
· 2 years ago
I find that full resolution photos from the iPhone (after importing into iPhoto) look really good and the color balance is a lot better. Here are two, without any color adjustments:
One thing you haven't pointed out, that affects me, is the openness of the platform for independent developers.
Nokia provides a huge number of hooks to the device via their SDK's/API's on the symbian platform. This is especially true using the Python S60, and Processing frameworks that make rapid prototyping easy and fun.
So until Apple releases bindings to the phone pieces itself via the browser (like Opera is doing with PlatformSDK), then I'll stick with my Nokia.
....
· 2 years ago
lousiest review ever...your first words was already wrong...where did you get your facts? do you just open your own site, dont you read the news?? set it straight!
Billytickets
· 2 years ago
I love the N95, but i have the N93 and im not willing to buy another Nokia just yet, unless its the E90 Nokia ...thats the Iphone killer www.nokiberry.blogspot.com
Xavier
· 2 years ago
Very exciting product, but I don't think the iPhone is a clear champion yet. I've had to soft-reset my iPhone 3 times so far. Froze up web browsing twice and once while watching your show.
I don't get why everyone's so upset. They're very clearly marketed towards 2 different people. It's not a pissing match. For me, I have the N95 and zero desire for the iPhone because of the touch and because I like true convergence. I'm willing to withstand a slightly uglier interface.
For Robert, he likes toys, and would sacrifice a little features for a superior interface. What's the difference?
It's not like you guys ARE Nokia getting upset.
Emily
· 2 years ago
What amuses me is when you, Robert, have the product in your hands and can say "This is better than this other thing" people think you're falling for the hype.
How about he fell in love with the smoothness? The slickly designed interface?
Incidentally, I can nearly touchtype on my Treo650 with the first two fingers of one hand and the thumb of the other, and after five minutes with an iPhone I could do two thumbs. Just let go and let the spelling correct itself.
Swagat Acharya
· 2 years ago
The new N96 is even better than the N95. It is out in a few countries and would be out soon in the rest of the world. This would be a serious iPhone contender.
David McElroy
· 2 years ago
It amazes me that some people think they're comparing a product when they simply list the specs. It's the overall user experience that counts, not necessarily just whether one device has a longer list of features. In many cases, adding features makes a product worse, even though it allows its fans (and marketing department) to crow about something. Anybody who has been reading Robert Scoble's evaluation of the iPhone in the past few days can easily figure out why he says the iPhone is better than the N95. He's clearly said that the iPhone has its flaws and that other devices (including the N95) are superior on some features. He is saying that using the iPhone -- for the things that matter to him -- presents the best overall experience. Such a real-world evaluation isn't about marketing check-box lists. It's about how useful a device is and how it makes you feel about it. Scoble is to be commended for being even-handed in his evaluation. Whether you agree with him or not, he's presenting a reasonable point of view. Your conclusion might differ if your needs and wants are different. But it's silly to attack him for offering a reasonable and honest opinion.
qubodup
· 2 years ago
"The photo taking experience is better" sounds like "What a good looking question!"
Michael
· 2 years ago
Who cares if the camera is better on the Nokia. If people are buying this phone for the camera then something's wrong. I'd buy it if there wasn't even one on it.
LayZ
· 2 years ago
@62. "I don’t see any point. Why are you comparing 2MP picture vs 5MP picture?"
That comparison is moot to begin with unless you want to compare very large prints. All things being equal, there would be no discernible difference between the photos displayed both the iPhone and N95 screens.
yucca
· 2 years ago
the kind of thing to which the iphone can be compared has still to be invented... come back in a few years ;-)
Johann
· 2 years ago
Robert thanks for a great honest comparison as a long time reader of your blog I know you tell it the way you see it. I do agree with you the iphone rocks and kicks the N95's ass when it comes to usability (as a proof refer to Ricky's point above regarding how to cut and paste not an easy process. Don't get me wrong the N95 is great but battery life renders many of its features useless i.e. go for a walk listening to tunes and using the gps sportstracker application and you are lucky if you get 3 hours. These are basics when it comes to usability. I love my N95 for the camera, GPS, and some of the S60 but I love the iphone more as it will make sure my Nokia experience will be better, i.e. Nokia just made mail for exchange available today for the N95 not sure if they would if there was no iphone.
Anyways keep up the good work and I hope to hear you give more comments about the 2 devices in 4 weeks time.
Moi
· 2 years ago
Ah, the Ritz-Carlton Half Moon Bay. Nice.
Nick
· 2 years ago
I plan on writing a feature on the new iPhone in my sports/pop culture blog:
How can you say this? What about no 3G or 3.5G support? What about no worldwide provider is even considering to let Apple enter their systems to implement visual voice mail? To be so centric about a product that aims to reach 1% of the worldwide market and that needs Europe and Asia to acomplish that is not really fair. Ah, and add to that that in Europe and Asia if you are not able to SMS with one hand only while walking no one will buy the phone. Apple needs to do some rethinking. Being an apple user and fanatic I have to say that for now I will stick with my N95 and with my spare N80.
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
LayZ: not true. Even on screen you can see the difference between the photos. The Nokia is clearly superior on photo quality.
Now, the experience of looking at photos, and taking photos, is far superior on the iPhone.
Most people will overlook the quality difference because of the EXPERIENCE.
But, if you try to tell me that the two images are the same I'll call you on that. Even Patrick says he can see the difference, both on screen and on Flickr.
Digital Punch
· 2 years ago
We here at Digital Punch TV are big fans of the iPhone... be we'll check out the N95 too. Check out our review of the iPhone in Episodes 20 and Episode 11.
-Digital Punch
moirae
· 2 years ago
Does the touch screen interface have a sound option? I.E. can you make it click? I have to have some kind of sound reaction when I type.
moraie
· 2 years ago
RE: Star Trek Like
Not long now. I predict Apple.
moraie
· 2 years ago
Bah, I wouldn't touch the camera on the iPhone. But I still would love one. And I'm sure it displays ones that you took with your other camera very very well. Anyone unsatisfied? Send yours my way - I'll trade you my piece o' crap anytime.
francine hardaway
· 2 years ago
I noticed that yesterday about the quality of the pictures. It is almost as if they were taken in different lights. I am still getting my iPhone, and so's Ed.
abu ameerah
· 2 years ago
Interesting analysis. I am one of those weird people who also look at the quality of the camera on a phone.
lol
ads
· 2 years ago
The sort of photos I usually take (i.e. blurry shots of drunken nights out) would be just fine on a 2MP, but I still think Steve Jobs' comment about getting a separate camera is just plain silly.
I have friends with a phone camera + separate camera and they almost never get to use the stand-alone camera because it is to inconvenient to carry both around.
The Reason You Come
· 2 years ago
You're right. The difference between the image quality of the N95 and that of the iPhone is dramatic. The first one looks like something that has been taken using a real camera. I don't think it's weird that the quality of a phone cam is important to you. It's important to me, too, even though I have a real cam.
I still would love to own an iPhone, though. :)
Diego
· 2 years ago
"Annoyed: ahh, the Nokia trolls are here. Are you paid by Nokia? Is your job threatened by Apple? Are you a Verizon rep?"
They probably are paid by Nokia. Apple is rattling the mobile phone market's cage. They don't want any newbies coming in to their cozy business and changing the way they done phones forever and a day. I mean, how dare someone like Apple comes along and shows then what they've been doing wrong all these years?
Here in Australia Telstra is the dominant telecommunications carrier and when the iPhone was announced one of their top executives said about Apple (I am paraphrasing) 'If you know something about knitting, you should stick to knitting.' Referring to Apple getting in to the mobile phone market and that they should stay away and stick to what they know. They feel threatened.
Aruni
· 2 years ago
The picture on the Nokia is vastly better than the iPhone picture...at least on my browser. I have a Palm Treo 700wx and the pictures are OK but I don't use it much for pictures...
azari
· 2 years ago
its pretty simple, just buy a good digital camera for your 'taking picture pleasure' and leave the phone alone. its a phone for god sake, use it wisely to call someone or sending some messages around, thats all. panasonic cyber shot or a canon would make some really nice pictures. one more thing if you want to hear some nice sounds, go get yourself a nice mp3 player like an ipod or something. dont put many tasks on one thing/ device like us dont wanna be burdened with so many works in our daily life.if the phone can complain, it will do...
pseudofinn
· 2 years ago
Well- a couple of things real quick. I think all of you iPhoners are a little mistaken about the state of technology found in mobile devices today. I know Steve Jobs told you all that the iPhone is five years ahead of anything else out there, but in all reality- it's about two years behind most cellphone makers as far as high-end mobiles go. Despite the slick UI, the fact is that the iPhone is a total joke to the high-end mobile world, and that's fine. The iPhone certainly has it's place. I'll admit, it's very cool, it's very pretty- but to compare it to the N95? That's a total joke.
As far as digital cameras go- if you're a professional photographer, sure, you might want to get your hands on a real camera with a real life-sized lens- but for amateurs, the N95 is brilliant. I just got back from printing out some 11x14 photos from my N95- they look fantastic. I'm off to pick up some frames and material for matting tomorrow. The fact is that cellphone cameras are no longer devices used for quick snaps to email (or MMS if you're "lucky" enough to own an actual high-end mobile) or upload to websites. The N95 is a serious camera. It's a serious lots of things- the iPhone is a serious joke. It's limitations as far as standard smartphones go are staggering.
Someone else here said it perfectly- you really ought to be ashamed of yourself for this blog entry, it's quite absurd and certainly the last I'll ever read from you, Scoble. I wish you the best on your blog- but it's not for me, just like the iPhone. I think the N95 was just a little bit too much device for you, apparently.
If you really have one that is... I don't understand the comment about being a Verizon rep- anyone that really knows about mobile technology knows that both the iPhone and the N95 are GSM devices, and that Verizon is a CDMA group. Maybe I missed your point, but the point is that Nokia sells plenty of cellphones through AT&T.
That being said- whoever made the comment about Nokia being afraid of the iPhone and their cages being rattled- you're right to a point, the iPhone will shake things up a LITTLE and we'll see advances from Nokia now on some levels that we might not have seen for a while as far as the user interface goes, and Nokia might realize that if you spend a half a billion dollars saying a turd is the most sophisticated pile of crap in the known universe, you'll line Americans up for days infront of your store to buy two turds a piece. Imagine what could happen if you spend that much money and time promoting a device that can actually do what it claims... we might be onto something then. But to say that Nokia is worried about Apple? Come on! Nokia and it's massive 36% market share aren't concerned in the LEAST with the iPhone and the 1% that it HOPES to achieve one day... as far as smartphones go, and high-end mobiles, the iPhone is a joke. If I need to be called a troll for ACTUALLY saying how it is, you all enjoy yourselves- I'll be enjoying popping in a fresh battery into my device that's been stressed all day from using my GPS, taking quality pictures that I can upload to flickr on the device, taking great video (or video at all for that matter) that I can MMS (oh yeah... that's right. MMS- something I guess we won't have in five years apparently) directly to YouTube, and listen to stereo wireless music and the limitless list of other tasks that can be accomplished with a real high-end mobile. :)
Indeed, the problem with this blog entry is not that Scoble says the experience is better, but that he seems to be claiming it's a better device than the N95 in almost every way. That's a total joke.
Enjoy yourselves here, and when you wake up- take a close look at what Nokia has to offer. Cheers.
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
pseudofinn: I want smart readers here, not idiots. Personally I'm happy you aren't going to read me anymore for just that reason. If you had looked at my Flickr stream you'd see hundreds of photos that I have shot with my Nokia N95.
And, I think you're blinded by that flash on the back of the Nokia (which the iPhone doesn't have).
The ding against Verizon wasn't based on what network it has, but rather that it turned away Apple so Apple had to go to AT&T.
But, I think you did a good job of explaining where the Nokia fan boys sit on this particular fence.
I guess you missed that I actually don't have an iPhone. I have a Nokia N95 in my pocket. With a dead battery. The damn thing doesn't even last an entire day on one charge. My son's iPhone lasts three times longer (and maybe more).
pseudofinn
· 2 years ago
HA!
Of course it lasts three times longer, it's a Razr with an Apple logo!
Great- so I'm an idiot. Yet another ignorant peronal attack on one of your readers. Thank you, sir!
Now why on earth would I look at your flickr page? Jeez...
You write this blog entry, and I'm the idiot.
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
pseudofinn: because you assume that the N95 is the better phone just because of the hardware. That is HARDLY what makes a great phone.
Right, it's a Razr. I don't remember a Razr having a huge screen. I don't remember a Razr doing wifi. I don't remember a Razr having a touch screen.
See, why you come across as an idiot is you are religious and religious people ALWAYS come across as idiots.
I have an N95 in my pocket, but it's no iPhone. Deal with it.
pseudofinn
· 2 years ago
Religious? I'm religious?
Wow. Religious, idiot... I learn something new about myself all the time. Thank you sir, now I'm educated on what makes a good phone, and I've learned a little about myself.
The Razr thing was a joke. You're too literal, that's what makes you an idiot.
I'm bored with this now. Enjoy! :)
kittoo
· 2 years ago
what is this ? "I can also totally hear Steve Jobs saying “get a real camera.” This is a time when he’s right. Are you outta your mind?
Do you think all the You Tube Video revolution is shot by "Real Camera"? What a joke!!!!Scoble..
I think after standing in line for iPhone your mind got screwed..iPhone does not even take $#%$# video and you spend a fortune on that one..hehe
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
kittoo: and how many of those on YouTube have uploaded a video taken with their cell phone? I can tell you cause I have friends at Google: nearly zero.
I look at my Nokia N95. It takes awesome video. But try to upload a video longer than a few seconds to YouTube. Go ahead, try. I'll wait.
Right, it didn't upload, did it?
And, what about Kyte.tv which is funded by Nokia itself? The video is smaller than full frame and limited to 20 seconds.
Yeah, everyone is dying to get a video camera on their cell phone. Got it.
Hey, I agree it's cool. But for most people it's useless.
It's sort of like telling everyone they need to drive an 18-wheel truck. Yeah, that'd be cool too. Everyone would be able to move their furniture around.
But wouldn't a simple Toyota or Saturn be a better choice for most people most of the time?
kittoo
· 2 years ago
Scoble..I am not at all against iPhone..I really liked it, used it and planning to buy it but I dont like saying "iPhone is a lot better than n95". Both has its pros and cons and both should be improvised. Dont say its video shooting is useless..you simply dont know the importance of it even it is for 20 sec..For example go to youtube and search for camera phone..the first two videos like "saddam hussein hanging"....."the shootings at WV University this yr" are all shot by a camera phone .... dont you agree?
Sawan Bruins
· 2 years ago
I think you're forgetting a few things: The iPhone looks wonderfull at front (and according to me the N95 looks much better from the back with the big camera). But as we all know looks are subjective. I think big plus for the iPhone is the userinterface and durability (it's much better build). The negative sides are: 1. No semi-professional camera 2. No video-recording capabilities 3. No swapable memory (the N95 supports the new 8Gb SDHC-cards, I personally think the 16Gb cards will be supported to) 4. It's a disposable (the battery can't be changed) 5. It's locked to one provider which is a big shame 6. No 3rd party applications (because of this I'm not even shure if you can call it a smartphone) 7. No GPS 8. No high speed data transfer (only EDGE) 9. Locked to iTunes
But I have to agree it looks stunning. Because I am a power-user I stick to my N95 but I think this is a verry good first start for Apple on the mobile phone marked.
gmschroeder
· 2 years ago
Just toss them into gimp or photoshop for a whole 3 seconds and tweak the contrast. It's not resolution, it's just color balance.
Paul Kerton
· 2 years ago
"kittoo: and how many of those on YouTube have uploaded a video taken with their cell phone? I can tell you cause I have friends at Google: nearly zero."
And now ask that question again and think about the rest of the world and not just America, which is a massively immature mobile phone market.
If for once you'd think outside at a world view, this phone won't go down well outside of the fashionistas of this world. It really, really won't.
Ricky Cadden
· 2 years ago
Actually, the reason no one's uploaded videos straight to YouTube (or Blip, or Viddler, or Vimeo, etc, for that matter) is because all of those services depend on MMS to upload. MMS is limited to something around 400kb, which is paltry for a video.
This isn't a knock on iPhone or N95, it's a knock on the video services. With all these phones having video capabilities (and good ones. A 5 min video taken with my N95 can easily be 70MB+), not a single video uploading service has stepped forward with a method of uploading to them.
It's a damn shame that I can take a full video on my N95, edit it with transitions, titles, etc, but then I have to put it on my computer before I can share it with anyone.
That's probably why the iPhone doesn't have MMS, it's pretty useless, frankly. Plus, it's very obvious that you're supposed to sync with iCal and just email everyone.
Zark
· 2 years ago
"Yeah, everyone is dying to get a video camera on their cell phone. Got it.
Hey, I agree it’s cool. But for most people it’s useless."
Ummm... no it isn't. Actually I love the video camera feature on my N95.
I use Vox for my videos and it supports N95 / N93(i) etc... Haven't had problems with long videos (yet). Upload can be done directly from the mobile.
The only advantages I see with the iPhone is the fancy graphics and animation provided by the OS, better battery life, and no RAM issues. That's about it.
c'mon 2MP camera with no autofocus? You might as well not even have a camera.
No user-replaceable battery? Say what?
The majority of people will be hooked on the fancy graphics and animation, because that's really what they care about... but when the novelty has worn thin, they will realize that the iPhone lacks a few features and is subpar with the ones it has.
What really put me against the iPhone is the way Jobs promoted this device as something that is better than the competition... it's not. It's just music phone wrapped up in a fancy interface. yeah, 5 years ahead of the competition... 5 years from when dude? 1987?
I hate to say this, but the iPhone is for kids and the N95 more for tech-savvy people. What impressed me the most about the N95 is seeing the wide-eyed looks on the faces of the audience when I plugged it in to do a powerpoint presentation. That was priceless.
BTW, GPS has far more usefulness than just geo-tagging your photos.
phonophiliac
· 2 years ago
Robert and all,
I feel I have to interject here regarding, _at_the_very_least_, the video upload capabilities of the N95 and Youtube...
Here's how I do it... Open browser, goto youtube.com, assuming you're logged in goto upload videos tab, fill in description, hit next, hit upload video, browse memory card, choose the file, hit upload.
To make it easier next time, just add your youtube upload page as a bookmark on your N95's homescreen... Then you just click that icon and away you go... Its shortcuts/customizations like that (btw), which make people LOVE S60...
There is a size restriction, but it is imposed by youtube, not any software restriction on the phone. If you want to be able to upload videos bigger than 100mb (I believe that is the limit), then contact youtube.
My point is that uploading videos straight from your N95 is just as easy (much easier really, with a direct upload bookmark on your homescreen, and skipping the transfer times from phone to computer) as uploading the same videos from your computer... Would it be great if there were a one-click upload tool (i.e. shozu)? Of course...
But to say uploading videos from the phone is not feasible is grossly overstating the matter...
Lets not even get started on doing the same thing from an iPhone... or for that matter, a digicam/video recorder...
For some examples of videos all uploaded directly from my phones (both an N95 and an N70 - the N70 videos are towards the back and were uploaded with shozu), and with my solemn promise that NONE of these has ever touched my computer, I humbly submit: http://www.youtube.com/phonophiliac
-Regards, Phono
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
phonophiliac: thanks, I couldn't figure out how to upload other things from the phone, not sure what happened when I tried to upload to YouTube. Shozu keeps erroring out when I try to upload big videos, so figured it just wasn't going to be a good experience.
Of course at least on the N95 I can do video. The iPhone doesn't do video at all.
phonophiliac
· 2 years ago
Robert,
No problemo... I am not here to bash the iphone, honestly...
With regard to uploading things from the N95, a useful application, _should_ be shozu... I used it constantly on my n70, and thought I couldn't live without it... Unfortunately, I found that it is really, really, unstable on the N95 :( Well that, and also that ridiculous 4mb limit shozu enforces...
For uploading videos, my recommendation is listed above... Its the best way I have found thus far.
For uploading photos, you might want to try the photo uploading tool built into the phone... You can access it by hitting the "send" button, either in gallery view or single-picture view. It takes a few clicks, and is a bit of a pain to set up (you have to use a "special" password, as provided by flickr), but once its set up, you'll find that it works pretty well.
One thing I like about it is that I have the ability to tag my photos with the descriptions I want, before upload... One thing I don't like about it, well two I guess, is all the clicks it takes, and that you can only upload 6 photos at a time (I really do not understand that limitation).
Well, this post turned out longer than I thought it would and I'll go ahead and call it quits.
Best of luck with whichever device, they're all FUN, and that's what counts!
For some shots from the N95, and again with my promise that I NEVER, EVER (its a matter of principle with me...) upload from a computer, I present... my flickr account: http://www.flickr.com/photos/phonophiliac
Cheers, Phono
LarsG
· 2 years ago
This is really an apples and oranges (or whatever fruit Nokia is) comparison. Two entirely different devices for two different market segments.
Comparing the iPhone feature for feature with the N95, it will come up horribly short. Just like the iPods come up short (e.g., no voice recording, no FM radio, etc..) when compared to many other handheld media devices.
Compare for example the iPhone's bluetooth and that on the N95. The iPhone can use its bluetooth to pair with a headset and with a car kit, that's it. The N95 (and many other phones) can in addition use it to transfer files, sync with a PC, connect bluetooth keyboard, GPS and many other devices, you can connect it to a PC over bluetooth and use it as a modem, etc.
The iPhone is also not open for 3rd party developers, while smartphones have a plethora of 3rd party software available. As such, it would be a misnomer to call it a smartphone and you can't really compare it with them. AJAX is eeeeh.. even J2ME support would have been better than that cop-out.
Anyway. The point is, the iPod isn't considered one of the best in its class because it scores top on a feature checklist. It is because Apple is good at UI - they make devices that do a few things, and do them well. There's that ephemeral 'it just works' factor, and for some that's more important than lots of features.
The iPhone is for those who want an iPod, a cell phone and an Internet tablet wrapped up in that Apple UI experience.
The N95 is for the power user or gadget geek that wants the current king of swiss army knife smartphones.
I think it is absolutely great that Apple is entering this market (although that 'revolutionary' spiel gets a bit tired when you start comparing features). SE, Nokia and others know how to cram lots of features into a phone but they definitely have a thing or two to learn about UI. This will make them put more resources in that area, which is a win for all of us that actually have to use the darn things. ;-)
When the iPhone was announced, I was also excited about OSX but Apple has so far not opened it up. Which is sad, because I really want to see a proper OS on a mainstream smartphone. Symbian, WM and the like are top-heavy embedded OSes and to put it mildly are not exactly the nicest platforms to write apps for. If Apple opened iPhOSX, it could make the others do something about that. There are a few Linux devices out there, but they don't have sufficient market share yet.
chingav
· 2 years ago
From comment number 86:
"It amazes me that some people think they’re comparing a product when they simply list the specs. It’s the overall user experience that counts, not necessarily just whether one device has a longer list of features. In many cases, adding features makes a product worse, even though it allows its fans (and marketing department) to crow about something."
I agree. Look at the feature-crowded Microsoft Word. I don't know about Word 2007, but some of the previous versions are crammed with features no one uses.
I don't get, I'm sorry. How can you say that the iphone is way better than the Nokia N95. Please. be realistic. The Iphone is a Toy, the N95 is a work tool, it is a mini laptop. Please. Where is the GPS in the Iphone? Can I syncronize the Iphone with Outlook ( maybe you don't know but Outlook is used by almost the 80 per cent of the company in the world ) ... oh ... you can have your music with you. So, do you need that? Can't you have your music wuth the Nokia N95? .. Please, let's say the truth: Iphone: the best toy, Nokia: the best phone.
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
Mauro: it's very easy. Everyone who actually has used both phones in my circle of friends say that the iPhone is the better one.
Again, it's not about features.
The Nokia has a ton more features. We all agree on that.
But if you say the Nokia is a better phone you just don't come across as having ANY credibility. Sorry. It's clear you haven't really used the two as a normal person would. Now, if you're a photo geek, or someone who really needs GPS, or someone who needs video (I count myself in two of those camps) then the Nokia is a better device FOR YOU. But most people on the street don't care about any of those three.
I just overheard my wife talking with a friend. She said "I'd be happy with any phone that just works, but this one is really beautiful."
LikeItIs
· 2 years ago
Reasons I wouldn't buy an iphone:
1. closed system - no apps, no installing, you have a closed box. 2. no mms (no sending pictures or sounds) = no fun 3. proprietary sim chip (no swapping this puppy, etc.) 4. no 3G -- the iphone currently has the SAME speed as my current older phone (edge) What about the future? 5. touch screen texting - try sending someone a fast sms or "speedy" respond on this device 6. required 2-hand operation (i love the fact that i can operate my phone with ONE hand) 7. not expandable (no cards of any kind can be used to upgrade my storage space) 8. 2 megapixel phone (yikes -- is this 1990)? 9. no video recording (you read this right) 10.no GPS - my next phone will definitely have GPS built in 11. can't replace own battery - what were they thinking? 12. proprietary headphone jack - throw out your set baby, new'ns required! 13. no IM clients (can't do real-time messaging, like i do on my current phone) 14. special plan required to use phone (A T & T special plan) 15. must rely on iTunes to activate phone (all kinds of problems currently in activation) 16. if touchscreen cracks, no phone (phone is reliant on one screen for everything) 17. no insurance on screen breaking - if screen breaks, you have a paperweight 18. untested OS on a mobile device 19. phone call quality inherently bad (confirmed w/ users) 20. no TV out 21. most apps on iphone can be installed on the Symbian OS 22. CAN NOT use mp3(s) on your "music" phone as a RINGTONES! 23. for the price, you can get an 80gig ipod AND a 30gig ipod and still have $ left for a different phone 24. phone is incompatible with protected drm files of different formats(non-iTunes) 25. camera: no white balance options, no true camera features 26. 2 year contract necessary, no subsidized cost = point? 27. not compatible with java (with so much on the web, what will this be like?) 28. not compatible with flash (with so much on the web, what will this be like?) 29. no music streaming 30. putting music onto iphone is more complicated vs.putting music onto ipod (creating playlists, etc.) 31. not stereo bluetooth compatible 32. no bluetooth file transfer 33. no voice dialing 34. no one-touch dialing 35. can't use iphone as a voice recorder 36. not blackberry compatible 37. no true push e-mail (yahoo email on iphone takes about 15min to be received) 38. NO voice over IP (no skype calls, no free calls over internet) 39. no video calling 40. two words: FACE GREASE
Mauro
· 2 years ago
So you agree with me, Iphone is the best toy. And, by the way, I have the N95. I don't think I'll never buy the toy iphone. You forgot the outlook, the bluetooth, the audio quality. Yeah, you are right the iphone is beautiful. 500 dollars for a nice toy.
Mauro
· 2 years ago
and by the way. What do you mean "used the two as a normal person would "? I'm a normal person and I use it also for work. The problem is that I don't get why all this excitement for something that is not exceptional. It is ridicolous to see people outside the apple stores waiting for the iphone. And not because they need that phone or because this phone is wonderful .. no .. only because the marketing campaign. Like every time with Apple. Apple makes toys for adult babies that are willing to pay 4 times the real value of their products. Infact in the US the Apple market share for computers is only 2.3 per cent. In the whole world is probably 1 per cent. Thanks God people are not blind
Mauro
· 2 years ago
and again: No 3G. No WiFi syncing to your host machine No expandable memory No removable battery (you have to pay 89 dollars ) No Exchange or Office support
but of course, in a toy, you don't need serious features.
LarsG
· 2 years ago
@Mauro
What's your problem? That some people choose a product with less features because it is easier or better to use?
Two different phones for two different markets. You know, like SUVs and 18wheel trucks.
The iPhone is for those who want a phone, an iPod and an Internet tablet in a nice and easy package.
The N95 is for those that want every single thing that's possible to cram into a phone today.
Which one you choose depends on what you want and need in a phone. Why is that so horrible?
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
Mauro: yes, the Nokia has more features but none of them work exceedingly well.
On my Nokia that page renders completely black. It renders just fine on my son's iPod.
The problem with your viewpoint is you assume that the one with the most features is the best product. Absolutely NOT true.
nothingnormal
· 2 years ago
I like the Iphone but Nokia got me sold.
Victoria
· 2 years ago
this is simple and undebatable-- iphone was overrated and waiting to get hold of it made people so eager to purchase one-- very good MARKETING STRATEGY..nothing less. iphone is DEFINITELY and UNDOUBTEDLY , way passed INFERIOR than the nokia n95 in so many aspects that IPHONE fans simply would not admit bec of certain needs and etc to a simple phone-- doesnt need decent camera, video necessity is not for everyday life...etc etc, its bec iphone does not support it and nokia n95 does, THAT'S A FACT, HEY open your eyes, and see that the only thing new to iphone is the TOUCH SCREEN... replacing a battery and you need to go to apple and cant carry a replacement? well its just the life of the phone and what peace does it bring to you for getting an expensive and less useful iphone?
Adel
· 2 years ago
Well looks to me that the N95's picture looks better. In my Opinion the iPhone is not worth the buy. Ya it's a touch sensitive phone, but your paying alot more for a simple plan. It's about another 200$-600$ Dollars for 100-90000 minutes, and with every technology addicted person out there the iPhone would probally run out of stock.
Thomson
· 2 years ago
Did you type this because Steve have give you money? or free iphones? This is a joke blog
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
Thomson: maybe you missed the picture in the Mercury News where I bought two iPhones with my own money. I have not received a dollar from Apple computer.
Actually my Nokia phone was given to me by Pure Mobile. So, if I were beholden to anyone it would have been to the Nokia.
Christian
· 2 years ago
The N95 is definetely better. Why? The answer is simple: it not only has the better camera (incl. VIDEO with 30 fps and a superb quality), it has a very good WLan reception, it has an A2DP profile, 3G (UMTS/HSDPA...huge difference vs. EDGE) and more important: there are TONS of third party applications you can install on the N95. Did I mention the built-in GPS with maps for almost every country on this planet? The hardware accelerated graphics which permit 3D games in a superb quality? How about the possibility to add 4 GB microSD cards? How about the possibility to conduct video telephony calls?
Sorry but who says the iPhone is better than the N95, is nuts. Honestly. Get the E90 and the difference is even bigger, I have the E90 now too, this phone is absolutely incredible. The iPhone is great for watching iTunes TV shows, movies and videos because it has a larger and better display than the current iPod Video Gen 5.5. Otherwise, the iPhone is just a nice and stylish gadget with an impressive amount of "hype" on the internet. I'm surprised owners don't claim that they can have sex with it. *RFLOL*
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
Christian: except when the N95's Web browser doesn't work. Or when the camera crashes. Or when your battery dies. Or when you can't figure out how to use something. But, the N95 is indeed great for geeks like you and me.
Jake
· 2 years ago
Scoble, I completely understand what you were trying to communicate. In know way is thw iPhone a more featured handset than the N95 but it is definitely more thought out im it'sthtthan the more feature rich N95. Viewing photos is dream on the iPhone. You cann't dat that for the N95 with the smallish screen. Viewing video and on rhe iPhone. The iPhone is a media viewing device for the masses, while the N@5 is N95 is the ultimate media creation device, which appeals more to techies.i
John Sergeant
· 2 years ago
Robert:
Thanks for the great comments on the iPhone. I have read with fascination this thread. I know nothing about the Nokia N95. It may be better or worse than the iPhone. But the fact of the matter is that I am the target demographic for the iPhone and probably the Nokia N95. I bought an iPhone! And as I said before I don't even know what a Nokia N95 is. So even if the N95 is better, Nokia is missing the ball in terms of marketing. This is where Apple excels. A good product and great marketing.
John Sergeant
JD Lasica
· 2 years ago
I did a Nokia N95 vs. iPhone comparison and gave the N95 much higher marks than Robert did:
JD, no offense but your review makes it sound like you haven't even used either device and just gave a rundown of the featurs.
The features are better on the N95. The experience is better on the iPhone. So much better, in fact, that it's really hard to go back after using one.
The only thing that's keeping me on the N95 is the better camera.
MikeJones
· 2 years ago
lol, Robert - you should give up trying to argue with these guys. The hate is ridiculous.
Jake
· 2 years ago
Was trying to post on my iPhone earlier and is not that great of an experience to post long paragraphs in landscape mode. But what I was trying to say is that for people who read this site the Nokia n95 is more preferable because techie folks appreciate being able to take great pictures and great video experiences. But the massess are more concerned about viewing what the talented artists of the world have created. For that the iPhone blows away the N95.
Try viewing Flickr on both the iPhone and N95. Try watching YouTube on both the iPhone and N95. Try listening to music on the iPhone and N95. Try making and recieving calls on the iPhone and N95. Send a Sms, use the calculator, look at the built in photo album. All superior on the iPhone side.
As chipsets get smaller and more integrated I don't doubt that Apple will make huge steps to make it's devices more Media creation devices much like their reputation on the Mac Side of it's business. Maybe they will call it the MacPhone Pro, LOL!
Michael
· 2 years ago
I just switched from my N73 today. (also a great Camera!)
I miss the better camera on my nokia. (and video)
I dont even carry a camera anywhere anymore because my phone has been so good.
I also miss FM radio.
Overall the iPhone is worth it. I just cant wait for Apple to catch up in a few areas.
Dave F
· 2 years ago
Hmm, fanboys are awesome, aren't they?
Some people need GPS, some don't. Some people need 3G/Bluetooth tethering/MMS/blah-blah-blah... and some really don't.
I personally *do* need (some) of those things... self-contained GPS & Sat Nav is really important to me, which is why I bought an HTC P3300, Bluetooth tethering is important to me and WM5 provides that. My device is EDGE capable and if T-Mobile (in the UK, are you guys listening? :P) would upgrade their 2G network to 2.5G I'd love it (3G coverage in the UK is spotty and data on most networks is horrendously expensive!)! :D
Would I love to have the iPhone? Yes, but that's my geek talking. I can reel off several names of friends that the iPhone would be perfect for, but not me. No matter how good the experience is it's just sacrificing too many features for me at the moment. And, I understand sacrifice, I'm a Mac user with a Windows mobile phone! :D
One additional comment I'd like to make is, if Steve Jobs really did say "Just carry a real camera" ... well, why not just carry a real iPod?
Jon
· 2 years ago
Hey, the N95 is like $700 with 128MBs... you still need to spend a bit more to get iPhone storage.
imamedicalstudentgetmeoutofher
· 2 years ago
I'm in the UK and have recently changed from a SE K800i to a Nokia N95. I wasn't sure I wanted to change from SE because i'm so used to the UI of SE phones but I eventually took the plunge. Had the iPhone been here, that would have been a serious contender too, but I still think i'd have gone with the N95.
To me, the N95 does almost everything that the iPhone does. If i'd primarily wanted a music player the iPhone would be a more serious contender but since the N95 has the ability to support huge memory cards it can even match the iPhone there.
Sure the iPhone looks really cool, and the N95 looks a bit more than a functional mish mash of stuff. The iPhone is probably built a lot better than the N95 too which is my only problem with the N95. Don't even get me started with the battery life, the iPhone probably eclipses the N95 by a matter of days!
I use most of the features of the N95 but for me the two things the iPhone is lacking which would completely put me off is 3g and GPS. Also, you can't really compare the cameras especially with the amazing video on the N95. I also like using custom apps on the N95 which wouldn't be possible with the iPhone.
All in all, at the moment there is only one clear winner. The N95, but at the end of the day the iPhone is a 1st generation device and Apples first phone venture. When iPhone mk2 comes out, that may be a different matter, hopefully i'll be due a phone upgrade then and if the iPhone 2 can match the functionality of my N95 I can easily see myself switching.
Sandy
· 2 years ago
There is no way iPhone is "in all ways better than N95"! Like many others have said, iPhone is so limiting and lack many features N95 has. And what's up with the lock-in to one provider? And no 3G? Guess it's a phone that can only be used with AT&T in US!
I played with iPhone in the store for 5 minutes and already I got stuck at places not knowing how to get out...NEVER had that problem with my N95; I hardly had to read the manual.
For me mostly though, I just cannot use any phone that doesn't at least have a physical number pad! I used WM5 phone that has no keypad before, and it simply drove me nuts.
For only $150 more contract-free, I prefer N95.
Bruce
· 2 years ago
Robert, I think comments like this one:
"Let’s just stop here. The iPhone is superior in almost every way to the Nokia N95."
...is where people react. No "for me", no "for my uses". Just a nice absolute statement that are sure to bring your readers arguing.
To be fair you did put things in some context further down.
As you said, you are still using your Nokia and haven't bought the iPhone yet. Perhaps when you get one (or maybe you already have one now), you can comment in more detail about how easy it is to live with after the hype wears off.
IMO, it's easy to comment on the 'failings' of a device you are intimate with versus one you have spent no real quality time with.
Urs Gruetzner
· 2 years ago
de gustibus non est disputandum... the romans used to say..;-) the non-latin speeking iPhone users will easily find the translation...
I am happy to wait for v.2 of the iPhone. v.1 is however already very promising and mouthwatering. Shooting photos and videos on a phone? Its not better like kissing your wife through a protective mask.... I want a phone which is able to sync correctly with my Mac. I am upset with all the lovelessly made crutches, if any, of many other cell phone manufacturers.
v2: copy&paste, custom apps, exended memory, replaceable accu, GPS: yes please, Steve! And yes an easy audio recording feature if not yet included.
Geoffrey
· 2 years ago
Well, I have to weigh in, again :)
John Sergeant: "I bought an iPhone! And as I said before I don’t even know what a Nokia N95 is. So even if the N95 is better, Nokia is missing the ball in terms of marketing. This is where Apple excels. A good product and great marketing."
You bet.
And when marketing is the only reason we make a choice, we will all drink Diet Pepsi and we will live in a world of no soul and no choices.
Sometimes, it's to the consumer's advantage to research the marketplace.
Steve Jobs (and others in this forum) have sold you on a midlevel phone with a bad camera (by today's phone standards) missing obvious, popular functions (video, much bluetooth functionality, add-on software, MMS, expandable memory) which includes no exciting new technological advances (GPS) in return for a slicker-than-hell interface.
When was the last time you heard an ad campaign that said: You don't need SVHS or DVD quality, VHS is good enough for the likes of you? You don't need extra memory, we'll never write software that will need it? You don't need anything better than a VGA screen, its good enough for today's software?
Yet that's what Jobs is selling you today... right now... hey, if you want a real camera, buy a camera! Who needs expandable memory? User replaceable battery? GPS? Software?
Just look at this shiny screen for just a few seconds more...
William Volk
· 2 years ago
Don't count out the iPhone for games. In many ways, it's easier to build a great game for the iPhone than the typical mobile phone running J2ME. Safari & Javascript are simply more reliable. You don't chase "hard to reproduce" bugs (typically memory management) for weeks on end.
I think our iPhone casual games are equal or better to the mobile games on other phones. Our Blackjack game plays really well with the iPhone interface. Casual games are what most people play on phones.
We have some multiplayer titles in the works as well.
Thank you,
William Volk CEO, MyNuMo
Raul
· 2 years ago
I did not read all the comments, sorry if I just repeat what some of you already said (probably) but I have to say a few words to the smart guy publishing this review:
1. web browser: exactly same browser, smart ass 2. camera much better quality, you agree with that 3. WiFi is better? just read the news, Iphone is basically braking every single WiFi out there into pieces, collapsing entire networks time after time. The worse wifi implemented EVER in a device. 4. screen is bigger, no difference about quality, at least not with my eyes. 5. having a huge screen is an advantage when watching movies, not when having the device in the pocket. Basically the iPhone is a huge device (flat, but big) which u really feel in your pocket 6. interface is better in iphone 7. only the interface is better in iphone comparred to N95 8. all the specs in iPhone are for a smart phone designed 2-3 years ago, they are SEVERAL pockect pc phones on the market for YEARS doing the same thing iphone is capable to do now 9. no 3G? on cingular? common man, Cingular has 2Mbps 3G very capable with a good coverage (tested by me in chicago area) which WILL EXPAND a lot in the next few months, why not use the advantage? Especially if Apple wanna stick to Cingular( new AT&T) ?? 10. N95 is 10x better than iPhone in everything is INSIDE the phone, smaller feel in the pocket and with so many possibilities I can't even tell. 11. Apple won't allow developers to provide software for the phone? Stupid, eh ??????
iPhone = 2-3-4-5 years old pocket pc, with a nice/new interface, no features, no features for a 500$ device, more like a 150$ one.
Not only N95 is much much better, but THERE ARE SEVERAL devices that do exactly what iphone does for years, better and smarter.
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
Raul: It's not the exact same browser. I've visited several sites that don't work on the Nokia but work fine on the iPhone.
You miss the point that I was trying to make and it's obvious you haven't read many of my blogs here about the topic.
DaveW
· 2 years ago
A multi function device such as these, iPhone included, should always have the ability replace the battery. This one lacking feature alone is enough reason to not buy the iPhone. It shows complete unawareness to the fact that cell phones are commonly used in emergency situations where you may not have power to recharge.
That is enough right there. The iPhone is not even a qualified cell phone for personal security and ease of mind.
DaveW
· 2 years ago
N95 Vs. the iPod (not iPhone) for MP3 playback
I just did a very through test with my son comparing his iPod to the N95.
The results are quite interesting. It appears his ear buds are not that good and I listened to poor quality rips on his iPod in the past.
We took my M90 Dell laptop and used a mini to mini plug and input it into the aux input of the laptop. We recorded the first 60 seconds of Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody.mp3. It was very difficult to get the input volumes exactly the same and we not able to get it exact, but we did get it very, very close. So close that you cannot hear the difference, but not close enough to where you cannot see the difference on a graph.
The bottom line is that they were almost identical in every respect down to the smallest area. The sound was completely 100% identical, except where the silence was repeated at a very short span of about .002 of 1 second. At that point the N95 hum was slightly higher pitched than the Ipod showing the N95 to have the cleaner tack, as expected, because the Ipod volume was slightly higher. It made no difference in the end as they are completely indistinguishable.
Now if we could just test an iPhone too and see if it as good as these two.
DaveW
· 2 years ago
I do not know about you guys, but I really like pairing up with my Pioneer car radio and playing my music on the car's speakers and controlling my phone from the radio. I also like the bar code scanner. i am using much more than I thought. I have several pictures of my children now that are quite good and I would have never taken had I had to go looking for my camera. Opening office documents and surfing the web on a hotel room bed, using the TV as the monitor and a BT keyboard is pretty cool. Just in case any of you do not understand, I had a dual CPU P3, 1Ghs each processor, on the first multi processor workstation motherboard ever made. This machine cost me quite a bit of money about 7 years ago. I was the only person known, who could capture 604 x 480 video @ 30 fps, without a dedicated encoding card, using a PC. I could not even capture audio at the same times or I would drop frames. This N95 not only gets the audio too, but also does a better job than I was able to do. This feat alone is very impressive, as it must also encode to mpeg on the fly, using even more cpu. Well, it can do it because it had a dedicated Graphic Processing Unit in addition to the processor. That is why there are no killer 3D games for the iPhone. The machine does not have what it takes to compete, so the locked it up so you would never know. They may come out with a great on in the future, but I sure am glad I did not buy one. I would have been really mad at myself.
SoozN
· 2 years ago
I agree - the iPhone's UI is pretty damn visually slick. But I can't agree with you that that makes it an overall better phone. This is because when you compare two products, you have to consider everything that they offer to be able to say without reservation that one is definitively superior. You've made it clear that you hate feature-counting, but for someone to say that a product is hands-down better than another one, they cannot compare only one aspect.
For instance, I am currently applying to pharmacy school. The admissions committees (adcoms) take many different factors into account: GPA, PCAT scores, overall grade trend, extracurriculars, work/volunteer experience, and so on. The interview portion of the application process is also extremely important.
Now let's say that the adcom of a certain school interviews two students. One student gives an outstanding interview and is incredibly personable and sociable, but has a 2.5 GPA, no experience or extracurricular activites, and a PCAT score in the 48th percentile. The other student interviews only "okay" - she is awkward at first, but the more time the adcom spends with her, the more she opens up and the more likeable she is. She also has a 3.8 GPA, several years pharmtech experience, and PCAT scores in the 89th percentile.
Who do you think the adcom will accept into their school? Based on the interview alone, the first student wins hands down. But the adcom won't decide based on that alone - they're definitely going to choose the second student because she is better overall.
I think you would have saved yourself a lot of stress over trolls if you'd only written: "The iPhone is superior in almost every way to the Nokia N95 _for_my_uses", as you don't use certain features of the N95 that others find essential.
Also, I just want to say that things like battery life and photo-taking experience are debatable. During the month or so I spent with the N95, I was able to make the battery last for nearly two days even with moderate music playback (an hour at a time here and there) and internet use (15mins here and there, EDGE only). YMMV - battery life depends on how you use the device and how well you've conditioned the battery. And the photo-taking experience on the iPhone is laughable, in my opinion. Having multiple adjustment options is part of the experience I find necessary, so the one-button approach that the iPhone offers was absolutely maddening.
Sorry, you're probably sick of this topic by now, and this is quite a long comment. My apologies, but I felt that I needed to get my 2 cents in.
Jeff Dro
· 2 years ago
Yo I got the Iphone and it is awesome! There is a couple of things it can't do. Hell every phone has that. I love it however.
Turn your WiFi/Bluetooth off when you don't need it and set auto brightness to on.
oliver
· 2 years ago
is iphone operating with os x tiger ?
Steve
· 2 years ago
I guess it's a matter of personal choice, however I don't own a single Apple product, and don't see that changing any time soon. Apple are very good at making a nice "user experience", but all too often at the expence of other things such as features I would class as standard these days. It's like the (technical) designers have been asleep for 3 years while the arty-farties have been carving clay mock-ups 24/7.
I know the USA isn't as crazy on SMS as Europe (due to network interlink issues) but "forgetting" to put MMS fnctionality is crazy. As is the lack of some high speed data such as 3G, sure you can grab music from iTune, but it'll take an age! D'oh! If you're going to put a camera on a phone (even a 2meg one), as least include a flash for it. It doesn't take much thought, and suddenly makes the camera far more useful.
Okay, so the N95's webbrowser isn't the best, but then an N95 user can install Opera because he's running Symbian. If the Nokia battery fails, he can buy a new one and change it, it doesn't have to be sent back to the factory to be changed! Come on, even my 70yo father changed his own mobile battery the other day, but Steve Jobs won't trust you.
If you want something simple, that looks flash and is simple to use, buy an iPhone. If you want a phone that actually does flash things (but you might have to learn how to use it), buy an N95! I was still finding new things I could do with my N95 a week after I received it, and that was a week of continually fiddling about, showing to friends, letting them fiddle etc etc... I suspect an iPhone will take about an hour, and that's your lot! That's an expensive hour... Which brings me to...
...the price (the very reason I own an Archos mp3 player and not an iPod).
I got my N95 for £0 on an 18 month contract.
XAVIER rAMOS
· 2 years ago
I BOUGTH AN IPHONE AND ITS A JOKE!!! I GIVE EM TO MY LITTLE BROTHER THEN I BOUGTH AN N95 THEAS THE REAL DEAL,FORGET THE COOL FACTOR!! THE NOKIA IS A WAY MUCH BETTER PHONE CAN INSTALL GAMES,APPLICATIONS,MY MEDICINE BOOKS,PATIENTS EVERYTHING!!! THE VIDEO ITS AWESOME!! STEREO BLUETHOOTH,THE NEW SDHC SD CARD ITS ALREADY ANNOUNCED UP TO 16GB,HARDDISK ON THE IPHONE SUCKS MINE STOPED WORKING WHEN IT WANTED,AND THE SOUND QUALITY IS NOT GOOD,THE BATT LIFE? I BOUGTH 2 BATTS SO IN CASE I RAN OUT,THE GPS ITS AWESOME!! I TESTED ON A PLANE!!I CAN USE ALL THE THEMES I WANT,THE RINGTONES I WANT ITS ALMOST IMPOSIBLE TO COMPARE!! THE IPHONE ITS LIKE A VETTE COOL BUT LACKS OF SOMETHING,MY N95 FEELS LIKE A 911 TURBO!!!
kkche
· 2 years ago
iphone is just a piece of shit, it can't compare to N95.
Eddie Starr
· 2 years ago
is this blogger missing a brain? Comparing the n95 to the iphone is such an extremely ignornt thing. Its like comparing a commodore to a dual core laptop.
Richard
· 2 years ago
The N95 camera is great, I dont even take out my digital camera anymore, for the trouble of carrying thetwo around for the average (non-think im a proffesional photographer because I spent £500 on a digicam).
Also I will defend the battery life, my N95 lasts for about 4-5 days depending on how much I play around with it.
the satnave sucks though, by the time its located the satalite, I'm usualy 50 mailes away, from when I switched the thing on, once connected is usefull for finding places rather than navigation.
I wouldnt say that about the commodore above, thats just silly and everyone knows it.
I cannot compare to an Iphone as I have never used or even seen one, but I know my n95 is not 20 years technology behind it for FACT.
better or not, I don't know, but I thought I would mention the better batterylife than mentioned my some and the camera (especialy for video, the quality for something you would have in your pocket anyway is awesome)
in fact I must mention I have spent the past 10 years avoiding nokia as I did not like their menu systems, but now I'm glad I have one.
DaveW
· 2 years ago
Instead of making a comparison, here is a list of differences between the iPhone and the N95
Bluetooth iPhone - May work, but is a very limited and closed system with few practical uses. Nokia N95 - Has A2DP and AVRCP. This means you can Use it as a wireless music storage device in your car to transmit your music in excellent quality to your car stereo to play back the music. Control the phone's playback of your music collection from your car radio. Use both cameras of the phone as an excellent wireless webcam for your PC with Mobiola Webcam. Use microphone of the phone as a wireless microphone for your PC with Mobiola Microphone Remote. Use a wireless keyboard such as space saver Think Outside keyboard or any typical BT wireless keyboard. Use high quality wireless headphones (Sony, Bose, Motorola, etc.) that allow control of the music playback on the phone. Use your PC wirelessly to move, copy, delete, and edit files directly on the phone. Use your PC to wirelessly control all the features of the phone and at the same time display the phones screen on your PC, recording it if your wish, with Mobiola Remote Phone Control. Access and utilize external Bluetooth GPS positioning devices.
DaveW
· 2 years ago
Computer access iPhone - Very limited closed system with no direct access to the data for repair if it were corrupted. Nokia N95 - With cable, WiFi, and Bluetooth you can Drag and drop, synchronize, share, and stream files, (music, pictures, video, documents, files, and folders) to or from any PC on your network, to any uPnP device. Map network drives on your phone for access from PC's, access mapped network drives on your PC's from your phone with SymSMB. Access and download all the data on your PC's and listen to and watch your entire PC media collection of streamable media (music and movies) from anywhere in the world with Orb.
WIFI iPhone - Works Nokia N95 - Works and is reported to stream data at a faster rate than the iPhone.
Bar-code reader iPhone - None Nokia N95 - Get contact information instantly at trade shows from the other members cards.
DaveW
· 2 years ago
Record sounds and voice iPhone - None Nokia N95 - Excellent microphone with which you can Record anything you want, including calls. No limit in length. Remove the required 5-second beep with Ultimate Voice Recorder.
GPS iPhone - Cell tower emulated triangulation. Voice instructions. Nokia N95 - Built in real GPS hardware, cell tower emulated triangulation, External Bluetooth hardware capable, Assisted GPS or any combination of all three. You always have some kind of fix. With the GPS you can Find your current location in a foreign city at night and find and get direction from where you are to where you want to go. Get directions to services of all kinds. Use third party add-ons such as Tomtom. Use the Nokia Sport Tracker for walking, riding bikes, hiking, etc. This provides several different statistical analyzes of distance, elevation, time and distance, including laps and the actual path taken with the ability to save and compare your results with other results.
DaveW
· 2 years ago
Camera iPhone - 2 mega pixel. A common place phone camera that will not produce images that most people would want if they went to a concert or show. Nokia N95 - 2 cameras. 5 mega pixel and VGA for video conferencing on EU networks. The 5 meg camera takes stunning pictures day and night. Carl Zeiss optics. Comes with editing software right on the phone. With third party applications your can take pictures of pages and email them or fax them.
Video capture iPhone - None Nokia N95 - 640 x 480 @ 30 fps. Stunning quality, even at night, with audio. Includes digital stabilization.
Activation iPhone - 2 year contract that adds up to quite a bit. Nokia N95 - Buy it unlocked from Nokia or Dell directly and have a warranty and no contract to take it where ever you want.
Infrared iPhone - None Nokia N95 - Works great. With it you can Transfer data. Control all the Infrared devices in your house and office. Connect to your PC and use the phone as a modem.
Screen iPhone - Very nice large touch screen. (finger print prone). Requires 2 hands to operate easily. Nokia N95 - Smaller screen than the IPhone. A larger screen would have been nice. Easy one handed operation.
TV Out iPhone - None Nokia N95 - Works great with the supplied cable. Use it in a hotel room with a BT keyboard to read email and edit office documents, Use it on your TV to play video games, movies, and share pictures.
Cable Interface iPhone - proprietary iPod type connection. Nokia N95 - Mini USB and a standard mini plug that all ear buds use. (same plug for TV Out)
Speakerphone iPhone - ? Nokia N95 - People do not even know I am on it.
DaveW
· 2 years ago
Speakers iPhone - Mono sound Nokia N95 - Probably the best set of stereo speakers every installed in a cell phone.
Ring tones iPhone - Is it even worth mentioning? Nokia N95 - Use pretty much anything you want. Any audio track on the phone can be used. Create your own mix right on the phone itself and save it as a new mp3 or ring tone.
Traveling iPhone - You are locked to ATT, period. Nokia N95 - Unlocked and support for various networks across the globe. If you are traveler, the iPhone is not even a consideration if you do your research.
Sexiness (I am putting this here because CNET mentioned this) iPhone - Sleek and cool looking, but viewed as a toy in the workplace. N95 - Viewed as THE phone of a technologically competent professional.
Battery IPhone - Longer lasting than the N95, but not removable Nokia N95 - Replaceable battery. If you find yourself in the EMERGENCY situation where you need to make a call and do not have access to a charger and your battery is dead, you can just replace the battery with a spare. With the iPhone you could be stuck off the side of a cliff in a car with no power and trapped. Unfortunately, Apple seemed to overlook this MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE OF HAVING A CELL PHONE IN THE FIRST PLACE. EMERGENCYS!!! I would actually be willing to get my wife this phone if it were not for this issue.
DaveW
· 2 years ago
Additional third party applications IPhone - None at this time. Nokia N95 - Several different office applications, programming, game emulators such as MAME (allowing playing pf 1000's of known arcade game classics), Synch applications, Tune musical instruments, Gmaps, Google maps, Phone Guardian, GSM Tracker, ybroswer, FExplorer, SysExplorer, studio nokia, mobile web server, cCam, Carbide ui, SymSMB, Instant Messaging, VoIP,, SSH/Telnet, rar files with Mobilerar, stream with Orb or TVersity, Mobiola Webcam, Mobiola Microphone Remote, Mobiola Remote Phone Control, Tomtom, NavXS and others, Aspicore GSM Tracker, ultimat voice recorder, really nice 3D games by the hundreds, HourPower, Digital Clock, Mobisophy InteractiveVoice Call Master, Webgates Advanced Call Manager, MobieGenie, Divx player, CORE Player, Flash 5 player, PeerBox, TextQuick, Mobile Weather, eBuddy, MSN, Mig33, ScanR, Palringo, Adobe PDF support preinstalled, MS Excel and Word support pre installed, S60 Internet Radio, VCEL, ShoZu, TypePad Mobile, OperaMini, The Kaywa Reader, Jaiku, Nokia Sensor, Nokia Team Suite, Gmail Mobile, Symella, SymTorrent, Python for S60, PuTTy, QReader, ReadM, Chords for S60, S-Tris 2, Nokia - Wellness Diary, Acala 3GP Movies, studio_nokia, MyStrands, OggPlay, JabpLite, Calcium, GCalSync, Autolock, MobileRar, Nokia Local Search, Scenetone, Tasky, Nokia DJ Mixer, Fring, WorldMate, CellTrack, Loc Bluepulse, Spodtronic, Mobixie, Hibaru, DJMixerNSeries, SafeTxt, GamesFlash, Market Simplified for Mobiles, myNumbers, Qibla Compass for Mobiles, Handylearn Counter, Weight and Measures Quick Study Guide, mShell, Virgin Radio & Podcast Player....
I could add to this list for hours. Many of these applications are free. Most of these programs are well written and feature rich. These are not trivial little tidy bits. If you really want a smart phone, it has to be smart enough to know that it will not do everything out of the box and some things should be left to outside programmers to develop. The iPhone 's application list is not even a bad joke compared to the N95. The problem with comparing the two is that it takes months just to get a handle on the capabilities of an N95. Most N95 users do not take the time to respond to such comparisons, as the comparison is not only foolish, but requires quite a bit of time to accurately list the N95's capabilities.
DaveW
· 2 years ago
Additional third party applications IPhone - None at this time. Nokia N95 - Several different office applications, programming, game emulators such as MAME (allowing playing pf 1000's of known arcade game classics), Synch applications, Tune musical instruments, Gmaps, Google maps, Phone Guardian, GSM Tracker, ybroswer, FExplorer, SysExplorer, studio nokia, mobile web server, cCam, Carbide ui, SymSMB, Instant Messaging, VoIP,, SSH/Telnet, rar files with Mobilerar, stream with Orb or TVersity, Mobiola Webcam, Mobiola Microphone Remote, Mobiola Remote Phone Control, Tomtom, NavXS and others, Aspicore GSM Tracker, ultimat voice recorder, really nice 3D games by the hundreds, HourPower, Digital Clock, Mobisophy InteractiveVoice Call Master, Webgates Advanced Call Manager, MobieGenie, Divx player, CORE Player, Flash 5 player, PeerBox, TextQuick, Mobile Weather, eBuddy, MSN, Mig33, ScanR, Palringo, Adobe PDF support preinstalled, MS Excel and Word support pre installed, S60 Internet Radio, VCEL, ShoZu, TypePad Mobile, OperaMini, The Kaywa Reader, Jaiku, Nokia Sensor, Nokia Team Suite, Gmail Mobile, Symella, SymTorrent, Python for S60, PuTTy, QReader, ReadM, Chords for S60, S-Tris 2, Nokia - Wellness Diary, Acala 3GP Movies, studio_nokia, MyStrands, OggPlay, JabpLite, Calcium, GCalSync, Autolock, MobileRar, Nokia Local Search, Scenetone, Tasky, Nokia DJ Mixer, Fring, WorldMate, CellTrack, Loc Bluepulse, Spodtronic, Mobixie, Hibaru, DJMixerNSeries, SafeTxt, GamesFlash, Market Simplified for Mobiles, myNumbers, Qibla Compass for Mobiles, Handylearn Counter, Weight and Measures Quick Study Guide, mShell, Virgin Radio & Podcast Player....
DaveW
· 2 years ago
I could add to this list for hours. Many of these applications are free. Most of these programs are well written and feature rich. These are not trivial little tidy bits. If you really want a smart phone, it has to be smart enough to know that it will not do everything out of the box and some things should be left to outside programmers to develop. The iPhone 's application list is not even a bad joke compared to the N95. The problem with comparing the two is that it takes months just to get a handle on the capabilities of an N95. Most N95 users do not take the time to respond to such comparisons, as the comparison is not only foolish, but requires quite a bit of time to accurately list the N95's capabilities.
DaveW
· 2 years ago
Dedicated Graphics Processing Unit (GPU) IPhone - None Nokia N95 - Excellent. Allows for real time hardware decoding of video codec and for superior 3D gaming. Plug this bad boy into your TV with a few nice NGage games and stun even the most hard core xbox360/ps3 owner.
Mark Jambas
· 2 years ago
Hi there, Interesting discussion on this blog as always. I'd just like to jump in and add a few things about ShoZu. We've actually released an updated version 3.20.51 for s60v3 (ie. the N95) a couple of weeks ago which you can download from our site and addresses a few of the memory concerns with this phone. All ShoZu 3.20 versions use a new replication engine so we've also upped the limit to 10MB file sizes and are hoping to increase this again in future, dependent on phone memory constraints and some intense testing.
We're also big fans of the iPhone and will be announcing a service soon for iPhone users to simplify the file sharing experience.
Best, Mark (ShoZu)
adama
· 2 years ago
you guys r just jellous the iphone is sooooo cool
gemininer
· 2 years ago
How can you say that the iphone beats the N95 in all other aspects other than the camera? The N95 is the better MP3 player. It has a 3.5mm headphone jack. The N95 can also be hooked up to your TV, iphone you can't. N95 can take videos, iphone can't. N95 has better speakers than the iphone. I have a laptop, and will neither use the N95 or the iphone for web browsing. The N95 has 2, not 1, cameras, 1 in the back for taking pictures and videos, and 1 in the front for web chatting. One big turn off with the iphone is that you cannot take out the battery when you need to unlike the N95. So how can you say that the iphone beats the N95 in all other aspects?
No Name
· 2 years ago
Wow, it’s incredible how different the photos are. The bottom shot seems washed out with blues. I wonder if there’s anything else (like the settings) to explain the difference…
tooncis
· 2 years ago
Wow, you Apple people are coolaid drinkers!
- The N95 camera is better...but that doesn't matter. - The N95 has a GPS...but Apple was "smart" to not include one. - The N95 has faster data options...but why would you want faster data when I can drive for miles to "maybe" find a free WiFi signal. - The N95 can be used with any GSM carrier...but AT&T must be the best because Apple anointed them. - There are thousands more apps written for the Symbian OS...but they all suck cuz Apple didn't write them...and 10 years down the line Apple will have more...so I'll wait. - The N95 can record high quality video...but why would I want to record video when I have a crappy still camera? - N95 connects to the TV, uses regular 3.5" head phones, 2 cameras (one for video conferencing), VoIP, the list just goes on and on and on....
I have nothing against the iphone, but damn, when people have the sickness, there seems to be no cure.
The iphone is prettier and has cooler transitions between screens. Because of this, it has a bigger initial "wow" factor.
Now watch the Apple coolaid drinkers explain that everything that the iphone can't do as well (or can't do at all) has a reason...and therefore is not important.
Regarding the camera..."Better in every other respect"....yeah right.
Imran Shakir
· 2 years ago
N95 has almost everything else you could think of including in a phone too: a music player with support for all common music formats, a stereo FM radio, integrated handsfree speaker, speaker independent voice dialling, talking ringtones, HSDPA (the fast data transfer technology dubbed "3.5G") and lots more! When it comes to connectivity, the N95 is the best-connected device in town, with support for Bluetooth 2.0, USB 2.0, Infrared, Wireless LAN, TV-Out and a 3.5 mm headphone jack. Its memory is also more than adequate with up to 160 Mbytes of onboard memory and support for microSD memory cards (up to 8 Gbytes). Battery life is OK - when you consider how much work has to be done to power this beast, you can't really set your expectations too high.
Ken
· 1 year ago
wake up u moron... and look at these pix, http://www.symbian-freak.com/forum/viewtopic.ph... Let me start w/ something else... 5mpx camera, better flash, video recorder, TV out, home network sharing. Built in Nokia maps. Installed on my phone right now? Route66, navigation w/ 1 time fee. Quake, u ever play Quake???? Skyforce, global race...and u have faster internet??? have u tried Opera Mini on the N95? call urself tech geek??? best of all on my phone??? Phoneguardian, in case I lost my phone, new sim card inserted in, my phone will text me a message let me know which number's using my phone. I can remotely lock the phone. My phone will automatically erase all my contact, pix, data file one the phone... oh wait wait... if that person send out a text message, the phone will also forward me 1, so not only I know who's using my phone, I'll also know his/her friend...there's more... if he's outside, my phone will grab the GPS's location and send it to me.... and do u wanna count how many software out there?? Take Samir for example... I don't know what's the limited text on here but.... your phone is more superior????? hahah what idiots would listen to this? my email is heineken702@gmail.com if anyone wanna ask me about N95, aiites?
Ken
· 1 year ago
alright, sorry for using the word "moron" but for me... I just can't get pass "iPhone camera is better"? I mean as you can see, above, so many people gave u enough reason why N95 is much better phone. Buying a phone that is not smart, is just like buyign a car for its cigarette lighter. I've read that u can't load some website on N95, I'm wondering, can u give me those address, I'll open it and take screen shot (oh wait, another feature iPhone doesn't have) and post it up for ya ;)
Ken
· 1 year ago
and before u read my phone's camera errors, please note @ the date, it's way back last year, w/ the new firmware updated, I have no problem whatsoever.
Luu
· 1 year ago
I think Nokia is much better than I phone. When the battery is broken, that's mean you have to buy a new one. Let's take a look at the price of both brands. Nokia orginal battery is about #15.00 - I phone's battery is much more expensive ( about $152.00) For example, many years later you have to replace abattery , so you have to lose $152.00per year for an Iphone ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. But for a Nokia N95, you can use it for a while.
JD
· 1 year ago
N95 is obviously the best.
This thread is long enough so I won't bother explaining why.
Apple, just stick to iPods ok?
poker rum
· 1 year ago
Wow, it’s incredible how different the photos are. The bottom shot seems washed out with blues. I wonder if there’s anything else (like the settings) to explain the difference…
Jaryd
· 1 year ago
Haha. These comments made my day. Different people like different things, alright, guys?
iPhone - easier to use N95 - harder to use
iPhone - less features N95 - more features
Is that hard to understand? For most people, easy to use is key. Mainly because most people can't figure out the cheap phones they have now. They can't figure out how to use GPS, or use the crappy browser, or connect via bluetooth. So what good are features if they aren't utilized? They are worth nothing.
The iPhone gets its right. Sure, they have areas they need to work on a lot. But with 3G, 3rd party apps, and Exchange support, the new iPhone is set to skyrocket in popularity. More so than it already has.
"It's the experience, stupid," couldn't be more true.
n95pic.blogspot.com
· 1 year ago
I love n95 because it have 5 mega pixel camera and i dont need to carry extra digital camera to take pictures.
Philip G Taylor
· 1 year ago
The Nokia N95 8Gb is a different phone to the N95, as such it is far superior and should never be compared to the N95. Improved battery and bigger screen to name just two improvements.
Dr. Nic
· 1 year ago
The N96 may well be nearly the same as the N95 but if you upgraded the firmware on the N95 all your problems are ironed out! The N96 will be an awesome upgrade! The iphone SUCKS! It basis its self on being an Internet phone, yet does support flash, No MMS? wassat all about? that is a basic phone function! 2MP camera with no flash or night mode, no video recorder and thee most temperamental QWERTY keyboard that was ever put into a phone! Granted the graphics are ace but if you aint got the basic tools to make use of the screen res WATS the point?!!! No expandable memory . . . . iphone 4th generation will be the nuts until then its Nokia N96 not permitted all over the market . . . touch screen is still at its basic stage. As for the omnia i900 and experia X1 . . . erm . . . who would want an experia X1 its not permitted ugly with a very old design clause on it (side slider) with a MS support platform!!! Thats an immediate NO on all levels! and the omnia i900 is a not permitted to text on and does not support wifi! All the Nokia N96 lacks . . . is a touch screen . . . AMEN to that!
Dr. Nic
· 1 year ago
I take it I used some word not allowed as my last thread has alot of not permitted in it . . . oppsss sorry
Ron
· 1 year ago
There is one more difference between Nokia N95 and iPhone, Wavelog mobile client application. I can't blog without it anymore. Can't wait for version 2 that is coming soon according to Telewaving. And Nokia will release the Tube touch-screen phone soon that is also S60 Symbian based. So I guess Wavelog will work on it as well...
All Comments
But the iPhone is WAY better in every other respect.
There are a few things that keep me from wanting an iPhone for full-time use:
1. the touch interface. I've tried it, and hated it. Improved or not, I simply don't like not having tactile feedback.
2. no voice dial - I use this constantly and the speaker-independent voice dial on Nokias is awesome
3. No syncing via BT. This is another big one, to me, and something that keeps me away from Windows Mobile devices, as well. I like that by the time I get to my desk, my N95 has already talked with my computer and synced contacts/calendar/notes/todo/bookmarks/pictures/VIDEOS/SMS/MMS, without me having to touch either device.
4. The lack of video. That's just unbelievable to me.
There's a few others, but I can also see your point of view. As a confessed S60 fanboy (Heck I run a Symbian blog!), I put up with things that most people wouldn't. The battery life, the out of memory, etc. They don't phase me, but I've "grown up" with them, as well.
I'm glad that the iPhone is doing well. It has a TON of effect on the industry as a whole, and it's teaching consumers, manufacturers, and carriers an entirely new way to do things.
Is this is a picture from your house? It looks a lot different (read: better) than Bothell!
Jason
Yeah, some of the color stuff can be fixed in updates, but not the sharpness or resolution.
I'm photographer and, taking photos from any phone is a joke.
If you look at my Flickr account you'll see that my photos are pretty high quality. Not Thomas Hawk or Ansel Adams quality, but pretty good nonetheless.
So you're saying you prefer the closed architecture of iPhone? That the internet surfing experience is better? That no copy/paste isn't noticable?
I haven't used either. But with AT&T being a big issue where I live, I was leaning towards Nokia. Not because of quality of service primarily, but because of all the things I asked about.
My Nokia doesn't have copy/paste either.
I'm in no doubts regarding the superior UX of the iPhone, but there is one thing which is really stopping me from buying. Tell me Robert, could you compose an SMS with one hand on the iPhone?
Again, if you are a heavy QWERTY/thumb keyboard user you'll probably not be a happy user of the iPhone.
2. The N95 can copy/paste any text that's selectable. If you've got a cursor, hold the "pencil" key and move with the D-Pad. Keep holding it, and you'll notice that the softkeys are now "Copy" and "Paste" (Paste only if you've already copied something earlier).
3. With iTunes Agent, you can easily sync your Nokia (or anything else that shows up as a mass storage device, for that matter) with iTunes (other than, obviously, DRMd tracks. I do this with my N95 daily.
- This isn't about those who think one should always take photos with real cameras. This is about those of us nerd/geeks who like to use our cameraphones and wish they were the best. Nothin wrong with that. Please stay on topic tho! =]
- I love my Treo 700p and have no plans to upgrade to iPhone though I think it's neat, at least not in the next year or two anyway. I can do tons (like music production) with my Treo that iPhone can't get near quite yet.
- I'd recommend an iPhone over a Treo to any new smartphone user anyday. I WISH the Treo was so easy to sync. Should iCal on the iPhone support multiple calendars? Sure! But it will. There isn't tons missing from iPhone syncables.
- A camera that really compares to that awesome N95 shot you have above there, S, will be the nail in the coffin for Apple's competition. Oh yeah. And third party Cocoa apps with an officially supported SKD please!!!
Much love for all my techie homies...
Looks like there is some problem with the white balance processing in the iphone.
Disclaimer: I don't own an iPhone and cannot afford to get one anytime in the near future.
Brightness: Red +41, Green +37, Blue +26
Contrast: Red +11, Green -5, Blue +38
Hue: Red -6, Green -12, Blue -7
Saturation: -26
I would say that's WAY off. Can't the color balance be tweaked in the software of the camera?
Translation: I've grown to accept that a crappy experience is the norm.
'bout the same reason why many Windows users will never upgrade to Mac OS ;)
- prem
Most of the people raving about the iPhone are doing so because they like touch. That's not a bad thing of course.
Of course the thing that really gets me is no third party software. Most commentators are blowing this off which surprises me. If this were any other company people would be screaming closed garden, end to control, lock in etc. etc. Its the anti-thesis of the web 2.0 ideal. Apple whole modus operandi is about total control and to me that old fashioned and in the long term unhealthy.
But the lack of a GPS *is* a showstopper for me. And if the original poster owned a car, he would agree with me :-)
Seriously though, GPS enabled phones is the next big thing in the mobile industry. Just like cameras were back a few years ago. It's already quite silly that the iPhone comes with a map application but it has no GPS - you have to manually point out where you are.
An iPhone with GPS will be launched within one year. And when it is, I might consider it.
For me having a decent camera phone is a way to always have a camera with me, I use my SE K750 like a Lomo camera: shoot, shoot and shoot.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/t3mujin/tags/k750/
We don't have the option of getting the iPhone yet, and nobody really knows when we will. Right now, the N95 is the best phone on the European market.
Personally, I think we might not see the iPhone over here until 3G is implemented.
Moreover it's not opened as Symbians.
I would still buy one, but I'm italian and I heard that WiFi support is limited to AT&T hotspots. Is it true? I will be in California next week, can I buy one without signing a AT&T subscription?
Thanks.
Andrea
On the N95, we just snap a shot, then press one button to upload the (great looking) photo straight to Flickr...
That is why I never use my K800i for browsing. It is just too expensive.
1. Camera quality and resolution
2. No Navigation software (TomTom) (I'm not talking about built in GPS, but the inability to install a proper navigation program.
3. No VOIP (for cheap/free calls home to my family when I'm traveling with work around Europe).
I agree that the user experience on the iPhone is second to none, and hopefully it will make other manufacturers work harder, I would also love to get that good battery performance - but without the 3 things above, it's not ready to replace my N95 yet
In the case of a phone, it's meant for making phone calls and the video's I've seen, this process is somewhat lengthy (especially because of the absence of shortcuts).
Anyways, would i recommend to wait till they've got a version running in Europe, because overhere it should have more capabilities and in some eu countries it's forbidden to implement a sim lock :). Giving you total freedom over the phone...
"The two-megapixel camera takes great photos, provided the subject is motionless and well lighted . But it can’t capture video. And you can’t send picture messages (called MMS) to other cellphones."
See the video for examples:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/27/technology/ci...
The first real life shots I saw from an iPhone, taken by the people at the front of the 300-person line at the Apple Store (they activated from their laptops using the store's Wi-Fi hotspot) were indeed dark and blue oriented. That particular store is on the basement level of the mall, about 25 feet from the atrium, the only natural light source. But, the pictures I and others have taken outside in daylight have been comparable to my 5 MP Pentax digicam's. I have't tested motion pictures yet, but would like to hear about how well they come out on the N95, Robert.
1. GPS. But who really need that?
2. MMS. But who really need that?
3. 3G. But who really need that?
4. The better cam. But who really need that?
5. BT Sync. But who really need that?
6. TV out. But who really need that?
7. Much smaller size. But who really need that?
8. The option to run Orb. But who really need that?
9. Slingbox. But who really need that?
aso aso aso
Get over the hype and look at the real world facts. The iPhone is missing quite a few important things. Maybe it will be the phone to have when v2.0 hits the market, but not right now.
Oh, and don't say 'get a real camera' because we all have that, but never carry them around. I thought that 'get a real camera' argument was dead a long time ago, but I guess I was wrong...
I really must applaud the iPhone interface designers. They really know how to keep the user experience flowing and how to make the small screen work as an advantage. Animation plays a part in aiding the user to remember the context; what he was doing. And the fade and other visual effects are pleasing to the eye.
There's no need for the usual UI clutter: overlapping windows, scroll bars, minimize/close icons, ...
That said, I think that there could be some kind of an Dragon's Lair effect going on: looks good, but after a few weeks time, the edges of the user experience cage become apparent. We'll see...
check this picture out too:
http://darlamack.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized...
But I still bought an n95 because I wanted a real convergence device.
I drove from Maine to Arizona using the gps on the n95. It was, simply, amazing. I took 5mp, high quality pictures on the trip. I did some geo-encoding just for the fun of it. I downloaded 8gb of my music library to the n95 (4 chips) and my daughter and I compared the n95 sound to the ipod... couldn't tell the difference!
Someone earlier on in the thread said they bought the iphone so they wouldn't have to take two devices with them anymore on their runs (a phone and an ipod).
I bought the n95 so I wouldn't have to take FOUR devices with me when I cycle...
On every cycle, the gps in the n95 tracks my route, speed, time, distance, and lets me export it to a satellite photo on google earth when Im done (Nokia Sportstracker). I listen to 4gb of music while I'm cycling (I got a 4gb chip and will buy the 8gb chip due out this fall)...
I stop and take pictures of birds and the occasional snake on my route...
And I can answer the phone.
Battery life? Who cares? I'm only carrying one battery, after all, not four... maybe I'll bring a spare - I'm still WAY ahead of the game.
Robert- "The iPhone is superior in almost every way to the Nokia N95."
is as much of a lie as Steve Job's saying the iPhone is 5 years ahead of anything else.
It's two years behind mobile technology. The camera is clearly an afterthought, the UI is great, sure- but what does the "experience" matter with such a feature-lacking device? The list of features missing from the iPhone that a standard smartphone will do is staggering- let alone a Nokia N95. Comparing the two is just absurd, as is this blog now.
Very disappointing that you've been blinded by the Apple marketing machine, Robert.
A pretty experience to go along with the lack of video, flash, MMS, removable battery/media/sim card, the lack of VOIP, instant messaging, GPS, Bluetooth syncing, WIFI file transfer, wireless stereo audio? The list goes on all day long. Face it- it's pretty, it's cool, but it's a joke to the smartphone world.
kamla
Still not as good as the N95, but probably a fair assessment of the degree of improvement available to Apple in future software upgrades.
Just to take one of your points: Right, the battery is better; because it uses a slow EDGE network while the 3G networks drain your power all the time the phone is on... but, hey you can even open the Nokia and replace the battery something you cant do with the iPhone.
And yes i do own a N95 and i´ll be buying a iPhone also (as soon as they get to europe)... both are excellent products but you cant say one is "superior in almost every way to the" other cause they are diferent kind of devices.
link to the full story http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/newsanalysis/te...
Seriously, for a 'technology evangelist' you should be ashamed of yourself.
The N95 allows me also to forget about my separate GPS navigation PDA in the future (e.g. when driving together with a friend) and I have free of charge maps for nearly all important locations worldwide. And with the 4GB microSD card now I also can get rid of my iPod and a FM Tuner. And top of all it makes my separate SIP phone redundant.
So at least 4 other devices that drove me crazy to keep all charged are redundant now and this let's me get a positive view regarding the battery live of the N95. Just consider to have a car adapter and eventually an USB charge adapter for the N95.
And als very important for me in Germany to have UMTS and HSCSD (high speed packet data of up to 3.6 MBit). Perhaps the 2nd generation of the iPhone will have that but until then my N95 will make a perfect job.
these days small camersa with 6-10 megapixel are tiny and very good...
I totally miss the Sidekick III experience because it was seamless, it never crashed and it just worked. But seriously, that one experience is the only experience you get. Nothing more. For the always-curious out there, a smartphone platform is ideal. As easy as the Sidekick made communicating, it's limitations ultimately bored me. Skype? Newsgator? Nope. I'm not even sure if Google Maps came out for it. Devices like those will always be behind the curve within in the market at large, but it will always excel at the manufacturer's vision of what that kind of device should be from start to finish.
In the end, this is great for everyone. Apple has been the leader in this domain since the II and I'm so happy that they're forcing everyone to step up their game. But to broadly say that the iPhone is superior in all ways to the Nokia N95 belies the fact that the iPhone is superior to all other phones for the average user who wants just the essential pieces of the web with them. For advanced users, who I presume are your readers, it's simply not that black and white.
The (slightly flawed, but close enough) analogy? "Safari on the Mac is the only browser you need, so long as you don't need Firefox extensions."
may the battle commence!
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=6972796...
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=6973199...
Nokia provides a huge number of hooks to the device via their SDK's/API's on the symbian platform. This is especially true using the Python S60, and Processing frameworks that make rapid prototyping easy and fun.
So until Apple releases bindings to the phone pieces itself via the browser (like Opera is doing with PlatformSDK), then I'll stick with my Nokia.
For Robert, he likes toys, and would sacrifice a little features for a superior interface. What's the difference?
It's not like you guys ARE Nokia getting upset.
How about he fell in love with the smoothness? The slickly designed interface?
Incidentally, I can nearly touchtype on my Treo650 with the first two fingers of one hand and the thumb of the other, and after five minutes with an iPhone I could do two thumbs. Just let go and let the spelling correct itself.
That comparison is moot to begin with unless you want to compare very large prints. All things being equal, there would be no discernible difference between the photos displayed both the iPhone and N95 screens.
Anyways keep up the good work and I hope to hear you give more comments about the 2 devices in 4 weeks time.
http://usss.wordpress.com
Check it out or add to it.
Now, the experience of looking at photos, and taking photos, is far superior on the iPhone.
Most people will overlook the quality difference because of the EXPERIENCE.
But, if you try to tell me that the two images are the same I'll call you on that. Even Patrick says he can see the difference, both on screen and on Flickr.
-Digital Punch
Not long now. I predict Apple.
lol
I have friends with a phone camera + separate camera and they almost never get to use the stand-alone camera because it is to inconvenient to carry both around.
I still would love to own an iPhone, though. :)
They probably are paid by Nokia. Apple is rattling the mobile phone market's cage. They don't want any newbies coming in to their cozy business and changing the way they done phones forever and a day. I mean, how dare someone like Apple comes along and shows then what they've been doing wrong all these years?
Here in Australia Telstra is the dominant telecommunications carrier and when the iPhone was announced one of their top executives said about Apple (I am paraphrasing) 'If you know something about knitting, you should stick to knitting.' Referring to Apple getting in to the mobile phone market and that they should stay away and stick to what they know. They feel threatened.
As far as digital cameras go- if you're a professional photographer, sure, you might want to get your hands on a real camera with a real life-sized lens- but for amateurs, the N95 is brilliant. I just got back from printing out some 11x14 photos from my N95- they look fantastic. I'm off to pick up some frames and material for matting tomorrow. The fact is that cellphone cameras are no longer devices used for quick snaps to email (or MMS if you're "lucky" enough to own an actual high-end mobile) or upload to websites. The N95 is a serious camera. It's a serious lots of things- the iPhone is a serious joke. It's limitations as far as standard smartphones go are staggering.
Someone else here said it perfectly- you really ought to be ashamed of yourself for this blog entry, it's quite absurd and certainly the last I'll ever read from you, Scoble. I wish you the best on your blog- but it's not for me, just like the iPhone. I think the N95 was just a little bit too much device for you, apparently.
If you really have one that is... I don't understand the comment about being a Verizon rep- anyone that really knows about mobile technology knows that both the iPhone and the N95 are GSM devices, and that Verizon is a CDMA group. Maybe I missed your point, but the point is that Nokia sells plenty of cellphones through AT&T.
That being said- whoever made the comment about Nokia being afraid of the iPhone and their cages being rattled- you're right to a point, the iPhone will shake things up a LITTLE and we'll see advances from Nokia now on some levels that we might not have seen for a while as far as the user interface goes, and Nokia might realize that if you spend a half a billion dollars saying a turd is the most sophisticated pile of crap in the known universe, you'll line Americans up for days infront of your store to buy two turds a piece. Imagine what could happen if you spend that much money and time promoting a device that can actually do what it claims... we might be onto something then. But to say that Nokia is worried about Apple? Come on! Nokia and it's massive 36% market share aren't concerned in the LEAST with the iPhone and the 1% that it HOPES to achieve one day... as far as smartphones go, and high-end mobiles, the iPhone is a joke. If I need to be called a troll for ACTUALLY saying how it is, you all enjoy yourselves- I'll be enjoying popping in a fresh battery into my device that's been stressed all day from using my GPS, taking quality pictures that I can upload to flickr on the device, taking great video (or video at all for that matter) that I can MMS (oh yeah... that's right. MMS- something I guess we won't have in five years apparently) directly to YouTube, and listen to stereo wireless music and the limitless list of other tasks that can be accomplished with a real high-end mobile. :)
Indeed, the problem with this blog entry is not that Scoble says the experience is better, but that he seems to be claiming it's a better device than the N95 in almost every way. That's a total joke.
Enjoy yourselves here, and when you wake up- take a close look at what Nokia has to offer. Cheers.
And, I think you're blinded by that flash on the back of the Nokia (which the iPhone doesn't have).
The ding against Verizon wasn't based on what network it has, but rather that it turned away Apple so Apple had to go to AT&T.
But, I think you did a good job of explaining where the Nokia fan boys sit on this particular fence.
I guess you missed that I actually don't have an iPhone. I have a Nokia N95 in my pocket. With a dead battery. The damn thing doesn't even last an entire day on one charge. My son's iPhone lasts three times longer (and maybe more).
Of course it lasts three times longer, it's a Razr with an Apple logo!
Great- so I'm an idiot. Yet another ignorant peronal attack on one of your readers. Thank you, sir!
Now why on earth would I look at your flickr page? Jeez...
You write this blog entry, and I'm the idiot.
Right, it's a Razr. I don't remember a Razr having a huge screen. I don't remember a Razr doing wifi. I don't remember a Razr having a touch screen.
See, why you come across as an idiot is you are religious and religious people ALWAYS come across as idiots.
I have an N95 in my pocket, but it's no iPhone. Deal with it.
Wow. Religious, idiot... I learn something new about myself all the time. Thank you sir, now I'm educated on what makes a good phone, and I've learned a little about myself.
The Razr thing was a joke. You're too literal, that's what makes you an idiot.
I'm bored with this now. Enjoy! :)
Do you think all the You Tube Video revolution is shot by "Real Camera"? What a joke!!!!Scoble..
I think after standing in line for iPhone your mind got screwed..iPhone does not even take $#%$# video and you spend a fortune on that one..hehe
I look at my Nokia N95. It takes awesome video. But try to upload a video longer than a few seconds to YouTube. Go ahead, try. I'll wait.
Right, it didn't upload, did it?
And, what about Kyte.tv which is funded by Nokia itself? The video is smaller than full frame and limited to 20 seconds.
Yeah, everyone is dying to get a video camera on their cell phone. Got it.
Hey, I agree it's cool. But for most people it's useless.
It's sort of like telling everyone they need to drive an 18-wheel truck. Yeah, that'd be cool too. Everyone would be able to move their furniture around.
But wouldn't a simple Toyota or Saturn be a better choice for most people most of the time?
The iPhone looks wonderfull at front (and according to me the N95 looks much better from the back with the big camera). But as we all know looks are subjective. I think big plus for the iPhone is the userinterface and durability (it's much better build). The negative sides are:
1. No semi-professional camera
2. No video-recording capabilities
3. No swapable memory (the N95 supports the new 8Gb SDHC-cards, I personally think the 16Gb cards will be supported to)
4. It's a disposable (the battery can't be changed)
5. It's locked to one provider which is a big shame
6. No 3rd party applications (because of this I'm not even shure if you can call it a smartphone)
7. No GPS
8. No high speed data transfer (only EDGE)
9. Locked to iTunes
But I have to agree it looks stunning. Because I am a power-user I stick to my N95 but I think this is a verry good first start for Apple on the mobile phone marked.
And now ask that question again and think about the rest of the world and not just America, which is a massively immature mobile phone market.
If for once you'd think outside at a world view, this phone won't go down well outside of the fashionistas of this world. It really, really won't.
This isn't a knock on iPhone or N95, it's a knock on the video services. With all these phones having video capabilities (and good ones. A 5 min video taken with my N95 can easily be 70MB+), not a single video uploading service has stepped forward with a method of uploading to them.
It's a damn shame that I can take a full video on my N95, edit it with transitions, titles, etc, but then I have to put it on my computer before I can share it with anyone.
That's probably why the iPhone doesn't have MMS, it's pretty useless, frankly. Plus, it's very obvious that you're supposed to sync with iCal and just email everyone.
Hey, I agree it’s cool. But for most people it’s useless."
Ummm... no it isn't. Actually I love the video camera feature on my N95.
I use Vox for my videos and it supports N95 / N93(i) etc... Haven't had problems with long videos (yet). Upload can be done directly from the mobile.
http://go.vox.com/nokia/
c'mon 2MP camera with no autofocus? You might as well not even have a camera.
No user-replaceable battery? Say what?
The majority of people will be hooked on the fancy graphics and animation, because that's really what they care about... but when the novelty has worn thin, they will realize that the iPhone lacks a few features and is subpar with the ones it has.
What really put me against the iPhone is the way Jobs promoted this device as something that is better than the competition... it's not. It's just music phone wrapped up in a fancy interface. yeah, 5 years ahead of the competition... 5 years from when dude? 1987?
I hate to say this, but the iPhone is for kids and the N95 more for tech-savvy people. What impressed me the most about the N95 is seeing the wide-eyed looks on the faces of the audience when I plugged it in to do a powerpoint presentation. That was priceless.
BTW, GPS has far more usefulness than just geo-tagging your photos.
I feel I have to interject here regarding, _at_the_very_least_, the video upload capabilities of the N95 and Youtube...
Here's how I do it... Open browser, goto youtube.com, assuming you're logged in goto upload videos tab, fill in description, hit next, hit upload video, browse memory card, choose the file, hit upload.
To make it easier next time, just add your youtube upload page as a bookmark on your N95's homescreen... Then you just click that icon and away you go... Its shortcuts/customizations like that (btw), which make people LOVE S60...
There is a size restriction, but it is imposed by youtube, not any software restriction on the phone. If you want to be able to upload videos bigger than 100mb (I believe that is the limit), then contact youtube.
My point is that uploading videos straight from your N95 is just as easy (much easier really, with a direct upload bookmark on your homescreen, and skipping the transfer times from phone to computer) as uploading the same videos from your computer... Would it be great if there were a one-click upload tool (i.e. shozu)? Of course...
But to say uploading videos from the phone is not feasible is grossly overstating the matter...
Lets not even get started on doing the same thing from an iPhone... or for that matter, a digicam/video recorder...
For some examples of videos all uploaded directly from my phones (both an N95 and an N70 - the N70 videos are towards the back and were uploaded with shozu), and with my solemn promise that NONE of these has ever touched my computer, I humbly submit: http://www.youtube.com/phonophiliac
-Regards,
Phono
Of course at least on the N95 I can do video. The iPhone doesn't do video at all.
No problemo... I am not here to bash the iphone, honestly...
With regard to uploading things from the N95, a useful application, _should_ be shozu... I used it constantly on my n70, and thought I couldn't live without it... Unfortunately, I found that it is really, really, unstable on the N95 :( Well that, and also that ridiculous 4mb limit shozu enforces...
For uploading videos, my recommendation is listed above... Its the best way I have found thus far.
For uploading photos, you might want to try the photo uploading tool built into the phone... You can access it by hitting the "send" button, either in gallery view or single-picture view. It takes a few clicks, and is a bit of a pain to set up (you have to use a "special" password, as provided by flickr), but once its set up, you'll find that it works pretty well.
One thing I like about it is that I have the ability to tag my photos with the descriptions I want, before upload... One thing I don't like about it, well two I guess, is all the clicks it takes, and that you can only upload 6 photos at a time (I really do not understand that limitation).
Well, this post turned out longer than I thought it would and I'll go ahead and call it quits.
Best of luck with whichever device, they're all FUN, and that's what counts!
For some shots from the N95, and again with my promise that I NEVER, EVER (its a matter of principle with me...) upload from a computer, I present... my flickr account: http://www.flickr.com/photos/phonophiliac
Cheers,
Phono
Comparing the iPhone feature for feature with the N95, it will come up horribly short. Just like the iPods come up short (e.g., no voice recording, no FM radio, etc..) when compared to many other handheld media devices.
Compare for example the iPhone's bluetooth and that on the N95. The iPhone can use its bluetooth to pair with a headset and with a car kit, that's it. The N95 (and many other phones) can in addition use it to transfer files, sync with a PC, connect bluetooth keyboard, GPS and many other devices, you can connect it to a PC over bluetooth and use it as a modem, etc.
The iPhone is also not open for 3rd party developers, while smartphones have a plethora of 3rd party software available. As such, it would be a misnomer to call it a smartphone and you can't really compare it with them. AJAX is eeeeh.. even J2ME support would have been better than that cop-out.
Anyway. The point is, the iPod isn't considered one of the best in its class because it scores top on a feature checklist. It is because Apple is good at UI - they make devices that do a few things, and do them well. There's that ephemeral 'it just works' factor, and for some that's more important than lots of features.
The iPhone is for those who want an iPod, a cell phone and an Internet tablet wrapped up in that Apple UI experience.
The N95 is for the power user or gadget geek that wants the current king of swiss army knife smartphones.
I think it is absolutely great that Apple is entering this market (although that 'revolutionary' spiel gets a bit tired when you start comparing features). SE, Nokia and others know how to cram lots of features into a phone but they definitely have a thing or two to learn about UI. This will make them put more resources in that area, which is a win for all of us that actually have to use the darn things. ;-)
When the iPhone was announced, I was also excited about OSX but Apple has so far not opened it up. Which is sad, because I really want to see a proper OS on a mainstream smartphone. Symbian, WM and the like are top-heavy embedded OSes and to put it mildly are not exactly the nicest platforms to write apps for. If Apple opened iPhOSX, it could make the others do something about that. There are a few Linux devices out there, but they don't have sufficient market share yet.
"It amazes me that some people think they’re comparing a product when they simply list the specs. It’s the overall user experience that counts, not necessarily just whether one device has a longer list of features. In many cases, adding features makes a product worse, even though it allows its fans (and marketing department) to crow about something."
I agree. Look at the feature-crowded Microsoft Word. I don't know about Word 2007, but some of the previous versions are crammed with features no one uses.
http://www.wirelessinfo.com/content/Apple-iPhon...
Do they use a different usage pattern?
Again, it's not about features.
The Nokia has a ton more features. We all agree on that.
But if you say the Nokia is a better phone you just don't come across as having ANY credibility. Sorry. It's clear you haven't really used the two as a normal person would. Now, if you're a photo geek, or someone who really needs GPS, or someone who needs video (I count myself in two of those camps) then the Nokia is a better device FOR YOU. But most people on the street don't care about any of those three.
I just overheard my wife talking with a friend. She said "I'd be happy with any phone that just works, but this one is really beautiful."
1. closed system - no apps, no installing, you have a closed box.
2. no mms (no sending pictures or sounds) = no fun
3. proprietary sim chip (no swapping this puppy, etc.)
4. no 3G -- the iphone currently has the SAME speed as my current older phone (edge) What about the future?
5. touch screen texting - try sending someone a fast sms or "speedy" respond on this device
6. required 2-hand operation (i love the fact that i can operate my phone with ONE hand)
7. not expandable (no cards of any kind can be used to upgrade my storage space)
8. 2 megapixel phone (yikes -- is this 1990)?
9. no video recording (you read this right)
10.no GPS - my next phone will definitely have GPS built in
11. can't replace own battery - what were they thinking?
12. proprietary headphone jack - throw out your set baby, new'ns required!
13. no IM clients (can't do real-time messaging, like i do on my current phone)
14. special plan required to use phone (A T & T special plan)
15. must rely on iTunes to activate phone (all kinds of problems currently in activation)
16. if touchscreen cracks, no phone (phone is reliant on one screen for everything)
17. no insurance on screen breaking - if screen breaks, you have a paperweight
18. untested OS on a mobile device
19. phone call quality inherently bad (confirmed w/ users)
20. no TV out
21. most apps on iphone can be installed on the Symbian OS
22. CAN NOT use mp3(s) on your "music" phone as a RINGTONES!
23. for the price, you can get an 80gig ipod AND a 30gig ipod and still have $ left for a different phone
24. phone is incompatible with protected drm files of different formats(non-iTunes)
25. camera: no white balance options, no true camera features
26. 2 year contract necessary, no subsidized cost = point?
27. not compatible with java (with so much on the web, what will this be like?)
28. not compatible with flash (with so much on the web, what will this be like?)
29. no music streaming
30. putting music onto iphone is more complicated vs.putting music onto ipod (creating playlists, etc.)
31. not stereo bluetooth compatible
32. no bluetooth file transfer
33. no voice dialing
34. no one-touch dialing
35. can't use iphone as a voice recorder
36. not blackberry compatible
37. no true push e-mail (yahoo email on iphone takes about 15min to be received)
38. NO voice over IP (no skype calls, no free calls over internet)
39. no video calling
40. two words: FACE GREASE
No 3G.
No WiFi syncing to your host machine
No expandable memory
No removable battery (you have to pay 89 dollars )
No Exchange or Office support
but of course, in a toy, you don't need serious features.
What's your problem? That some people choose a product with less features because it is easier or better to use?
Two different phones for two different markets. You know, like SUVs and 18wheel trucks.
The iPhone is for those who want a phone, an iPod and an Internet tablet in a nice and easy package.
The N95 is for those that want every single thing that's possible to cram into a phone today.
Which one you choose depends on what you want and need in a phone. Why is that so horrible?
For instance, visit this Web page: http://www.nik.com.au/archives/2007/07/03/twitt...
On my Nokia that page renders completely black. It renders just fine on my son's iPod.
The problem with your viewpoint is you assume that the one with the most features is the best product. Absolutely NOT true.
Actually my Nokia phone was given to me by Pure Mobile. So, if I were beholden to anyone it would have been to the Nokia.
Sorry but who says the iPhone is better than the N95, is nuts. Honestly. Get the E90 and the difference is even bigger, I have the E90 now too, this phone is absolutely incredible. The iPhone is great for watching iTunes TV shows, movies and videos because it has a larger and better display than the current iPod Video Gen 5.5. Otherwise, the iPhone is just a nice and stylish gadget with an impressive amount of "hype" on the internet. I'm surprised owners don't claim that they can have sex with it. *RFLOL*
im it'sthtthan the more feature rich N95. Viewing photos is dream on the iPhone. You cann't dat that for the N95 with the smallish screen. Viewing video and on rhe iPhone. The iPhone is a media viewing device for the masses, while the N@5 is N95 is the ultimate media creation device, which appeals more to techies.i
Thanks for the great comments on the iPhone. I have read with fascination this thread. I know nothing about the Nokia N95. It may be better or worse than the iPhone. But the fact of the matter is that I am the target demographic for the iPhone and probably the Nokia N95. I bought an iPhone! And as I said before I don't even know what a Nokia N95 is. So even if the N95 is better, Nokia is missing the ball in terms of marketing. This is where Apple excels. A good product and great marketing.
John Sergeant
http://www.socialmedia.biz/2007/07/nokias-n95-t...
The features are better on the N95. The experience is better on the iPhone. So much better, in fact, that it's really hard to go back after using one.
The only thing that's keeping me on the N95 is the better camera.
Try viewing Flickr on both the iPhone and N95. Try watching YouTube on both the iPhone and N95. Try listening to music on the iPhone and N95. Try making and recieving calls on the iPhone and N95. Send a Sms, use the calculator, look at the built in photo album. All superior on the iPhone side.
As chipsets get smaller and more integrated I don't doubt that Apple will make huge steps to make it's devices more Media creation devices much like their reputation on the Mac Side of it's business. Maybe they will call it the MacPhone Pro, LOL!
I miss the better camera on my nokia. (and video)
I dont even carry a camera anywhere anymore because my phone has been so good.
I also miss FM radio.
Overall the iPhone is worth it. I just cant wait for Apple to catch up in a few areas.
Some people need GPS, some don't. Some people need 3G/Bluetooth tethering/MMS/blah-blah-blah... and some really don't.
I personally *do* need (some) of those things... self-contained GPS & Sat Nav is really important to me, which is why I bought an HTC P3300, Bluetooth tethering is important to me and WM5 provides that. My device is EDGE capable and if T-Mobile (in the UK, are you guys listening? :P) would upgrade their 2G network to 2.5G I'd love it (3G coverage in the UK is spotty and data on most networks is horrendously expensive!)! :D
Would I love to have the iPhone? Yes, but that's my geek talking. I can reel off several names of friends that the iPhone would be perfect for, but not me. No matter how good the experience is it's just sacrificing too many features for me at the moment. And, I understand sacrifice, I'm a Mac user with a Windows mobile phone! :D
One additional comment I'd like to make is, if Steve Jobs really did say "Just carry a real camera" ... well, why not just carry a real iPod?
To me, the N95 does almost everything that the iPhone does. If i'd primarily wanted a music player the iPhone would be a more serious contender but since the N95 has the ability to support huge memory cards it can even match the iPhone there.
Sure the iPhone looks really cool, and the N95 looks a bit more than a functional mish mash of stuff. The iPhone is probably built a lot better than the N95 too which is my only problem with the N95. Don't even get me started with the battery life, the iPhone probably eclipses the N95 by a matter of days!
I use most of the features of the N95 but for me the two things the iPhone is lacking which would completely put me off is 3g and GPS. Also, you can't really compare the cameras especially with the amazing video on the N95. I also like using custom apps on the N95 which wouldn't be possible with the iPhone.
All in all, at the moment there is only one clear winner. The N95, but at the end of the day the iPhone is a 1st generation device and Apples first phone venture. When iPhone mk2 comes out, that may be a different matter, hopefully i'll be due a phone upgrade then and if the iPhone 2 can match the functionality of my N95 I can easily see myself switching.
I played with iPhone in the store for 5 minutes and already I got stuck at places not knowing how to get out...NEVER had that problem with my N95; I hardly had to read the manual.
For me mostly though, I just cannot use any phone that doesn't at least have a physical number pad! I used WM5 phone that has no keypad before, and it simply drove me nuts.
For only $150 more contract-free, I prefer N95.
I think comments like this one:
"Let’s just stop here. The iPhone is superior in almost every way to the Nokia N95."
...is where people react. No "for me", no "for my uses". Just a nice absolute statement that are sure to bring your readers arguing.
To be fair you did put things in some context further down.
As you said, you are still using your Nokia and haven't bought the iPhone yet. Perhaps when you get one (or maybe you already have one now), you can comment in more detail about how easy it is to live with after the hype wears off.
IMO, it's easy to comment on the 'failings' of a device you are intimate with versus one you have spent no real quality time with.
I am happy to wait for v.2 of the iPhone. v.1 is however already very promising and mouthwatering. Shooting photos and videos on a phone? Its not better like kissing your wife through a protective mask....
I want a phone which is able to sync correctly with my Mac. I am upset with all the lovelessly made crutches, if any, of many other cell phone manufacturers.
v2: copy&paste, custom apps, exended memory, replaceable accu, GPS: yes please, Steve! And yes an easy audio recording feature if not yet included.
John Sergeant:
"I bought an iPhone! And as I said before I don’t even know what a Nokia N95 is. So even if the N95 is better, Nokia is missing the ball in terms of marketing. This is where Apple excels. A good product and great marketing."
You bet.
And when marketing is the only reason we make a choice, we will all drink Diet Pepsi and we will live in a world of no soul and no choices.
Sometimes, it's to the consumer's advantage to research the marketplace.
Steve Jobs (and others in this forum) have sold you on a midlevel phone with a bad camera (by today's phone standards) missing obvious, popular functions (video, much bluetooth functionality, add-on software, MMS, expandable memory) which includes no exciting new technological advances (GPS) in return for a slicker-than-hell interface.
When was the last time you heard an ad campaign that said:
You don't need SVHS or DVD quality, VHS is good enough for the likes of you?
You don't need extra memory, we'll never write software that will need it?
You don't need anything better than a VGA screen, its good enough for today's software?
Yet that's what Jobs is selling you today... right now... hey, if you want a real camera, buy a camera! Who needs expandable memory? User replaceable battery? GPS? Software?
Just look at this shiny screen for just a few seconds more...
I think our iPhone casual games are equal or better to the mobile games on other phones. Our Blackjack game plays really well with the iPhone interface. Casual games are what most people play on phones.
You can see this and other games at:
http://fun4iphone.com
We have some multiplayer titles in the works as well.
Thank you,
William Volk
CEO, MyNuMo
1. web browser: exactly same browser, smart ass
2. camera much better quality, you agree with that
3. WiFi is better? just read the news, Iphone is basically braking every single WiFi out there into pieces, collapsing entire networks time after time. The worse wifi implemented EVER in a device.
4. screen is bigger, no difference about quality, at least not with my eyes.
5. having a huge screen is an advantage when watching movies, not when having the device in the pocket. Basically the iPhone is a huge device (flat, but big) which u really feel in your pocket
6. interface is better in iphone
7. only the interface is better in iphone comparred to N95
8. all the specs in iPhone are for a smart phone designed 2-3 years ago, they are SEVERAL pockect pc phones on the market for YEARS doing the same thing iphone is capable to do now
9. no 3G? on cingular? common man, Cingular has 2Mbps 3G very capable with a good coverage (tested by me in chicago area) which WILL EXPAND a lot in the next few months, why not use the advantage? Especially if Apple wanna stick to Cingular( new AT&T) ??
10. N95 is 10x better than iPhone in everything is INSIDE the phone, smaller feel in the pocket and with so many possibilities I can't even tell.
11. Apple won't allow developers to provide software for the phone? Stupid, eh ??????
iPhone = 2-3-4-5 years old pocket pc, with a nice/new interface, no features, no features for a 500$ device, more like a 150$ one.
Not only N95 is much much better, but THERE ARE SEVERAL devices that do exactly what iphone does for years, better and smarter.
You miss the point that I was trying to make and it's obvious you haven't read many of my blogs here about the topic.
That is enough right there. The iPhone is not even a qualified cell phone for personal security and ease of mind.
I just did a very through test with my son comparing his iPod to the N95.
The results are quite interesting. It appears his ear buds are not that good and I listened to poor quality rips on his iPod in the past.
We took my M90 Dell laptop and used a mini to mini plug and input it into the aux input of the laptop. We recorded the first 60 seconds of Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody.mp3. It was very difficult to get the input volumes exactly the same and we not able to get it exact, but we did get it very, very close. So close that you cannot hear the difference, but not close enough to where you cannot see the difference on a graph.
The bottom line is that they were almost identical in every respect down to the smallest area. The sound was completely 100% identical, except where the silence was repeated at a very short span of about .002 of 1 second. At that point the N95 hum was slightly higher pitched than the Ipod showing the N95 to have the cleaner tack, as expected, because the Ipod volume was slightly higher. It made no difference in the end as they are completely indistinguishable.
Now if we could just test an iPhone too and see if it as good as these two.
For instance, I am currently applying to pharmacy school. The admissions committees (adcoms) take many different factors into account: GPA, PCAT scores, overall grade trend, extracurriculars, work/volunteer experience, and so on. The interview portion of the application process is also extremely important.
Now let's say that the adcom of a certain school interviews two students. One student gives an outstanding interview and is incredibly personable and sociable, but has a 2.5 GPA, no experience or extracurricular activites, and a PCAT score in the 48th percentile. The other student interviews only "okay" - she is awkward at first, but the more time the adcom spends with her, the more she opens up and the more likeable she is. She also has a 3.8 GPA, several years pharmtech experience, and PCAT scores in the 89th percentile.
Who do you think the adcom will accept into their school? Based on the interview alone, the first student wins hands down. But the adcom won't decide based on that alone - they're definitely going to choose the second student because she is better overall.
I think you would have saved yourself a lot of stress over trolls if you'd only written: "The iPhone is superior in almost every way to the Nokia N95 _for_my_uses", as you don't use certain features of the N95 that others find essential.
Also, I just want to say that things like battery life and photo-taking experience are debatable. During the month or so I spent with the N95, I was able to make the battery last for nearly two days even with moderate music playback (an hour at a time here and there) and internet use (15mins here and there, EDGE only). YMMV - battery life depends on how you use the device and how well you've conditioned the battery. And the photo-taking experience on the iPhone is laughable, in my opinion. Having multiple adjustment options is part of the experience I find necessary, so the one-button approach that the iPhone offers was absolutely maddening.
Sorry, you're probably sick of this topic by now, and this is quite a long comment. My apologies, but I felt that I needed to get my 2 cents in.
Turn your WiFi/Bluetooth off when you don't need it and set auto brightness to on.
I know the USA isn't as crazy on SMS as Europe (due to network interlink issues) but "forgetting" to put MMS fnctionality is crazy. As is the lack of some high speed data such as 3G, sure you can grab music from iTune, but it'll take an age! D'oh!
If you're going to put a camera on a phone (even a 2meg one), as least include a flash for it. It doesn't take much thought, and suddenly makes the camera far more useful.
Okay, so the N95's webbrowser isn't the best, but then an N95 user can install Opera because he's running Symbian. If the Nokia battery fails, he can buy a new one and change it, it doesn't have to be sent back to the factory to be changed! Come on, even my 70yo father changed his own mobile battery the other day, but Steve Jobs won't trust you.
If you want something simple, that looks flash and is simple to use, buy an iPhone. If you want a phone that actually does flash things (but you might have to learn how to use it), buy an N95! I was still finding new things I could do with my N95 a week after I received it, and that was a week of continually fiddling about, showing to friends, letting them fiddle etc etc... I suspect an iPhone will take about an hour, and that's your lot! That's an expensive hour... Which brings me to...
...the price (the very reason I own an Archos mp3 player and not an iPod).
I got my N95 for £0 on an 18 month contract.
Also I will defend the battery life, my N95 lasts for about 4-5 days depending on how much I play around with it.
the satnave sucks though, by the time its located the satalite, I'm usualy 50 mailes away, from when I switched the thing on, once connected is usefull for finding places rather than navigation.
I wouldnt say that about the commodore above, thats just silly and everyone knows it.
I cannot compare to an Iphone as I have never used or even seen one, but I know my n95 is not 20 years technology behind it for FACT.
better or not, I don't know, but I thought I would mention the better batterylife than mentioned my some and the camera (especialy for video, the quality for something you would have in your pocket anyway is awesome)
in fact I must mention I have spent the past 10 years avoiding nokia as I did not like their menu systems, but now I'm glad I have one.
Bluetooth
iPhone - May work, but is a very limited and closed system with few practical uses.
Nokia N95 - Has A2DP and AVRCP. This means you can
Use it as a wireless music storage device in your car to transmit your music in excellent quality to your car stereo to play back the music.
Control the phone's playback of your music collection from your car radio.
Use both cameras of the phone as an excellent wireless webcam for your PC with Mobiola Webcam.
Use microphone of the phone as a wireless microphone for your PC with Mobiola Microphone Remote.
Use a wireless keyboard such as space saver Think Outside keyboard or any typical BT wireless keyboard.
Use high quality wireless headphones (Sony, Bose, Motorola, etc.) that allow control of the music playback on the phone.
Use your PC wirelessly to move, copy, delete, and edit files directly on the phone.
Use your PC to wirelessly control all the features of the phone and at the same time display the phones screen on your PC, recording it if your wish, with Mobiola Remote Phone Control.
Access and utilize external Bluetooth GPS positioning devices.
iPhone - Very limited closed system with no direct access to the data for repair if it were corrupted.
Nokia N95 - With cable, WiFi, and Bluetooth you can
Drag and drop, synchronize, share, and stream files, (music, pictures, video, documents, files, and folders) to or from any PC on your network, to any uPnP device.
Map network drives on your phone for access from PC's, access mapped network drives on your PC's from your phone with SymSMB.
Access and download all the data on your PC's and listen to and watch your entire PC media collection of streamable media (music and movies) from anywhere in the world with Orb.
WIFI
iPhone - Works
Nokia N95 - Works and is reported to stream data at a faster rate than the iPhone.
Bar-code reader
iPhone - None
Nokia N95 - Get contact information instantly at trade shows from the other members cards.
iPhone - None
Nokia N95 - Excellent microphone with which you can
Record anything you want, including calls. No limit in length.
Remove the required 5-second beep with Ultimate Voice Recorder.
GPS
iPhone - Cell tower emulated triangulation. Voice instructions.
Nokia N95 - Built in real GPS hardware, cell tower emulated triangulation, External Bluetooth hardware capable, Assisted GPS or any combination of all three. You always have some kind of fix. With the GPS you can
Find your current location in a foreign city at night and find and get direction from where you are to where you want to go.
Get directions to services of all kinds.
Use third party add-ons such as Tomtom.
Use the Nokia Sport Tracker for walking, riding bikes, hiking, etc. This provides several different statistical analyzes of distance, elevation, time and distance, including laps and the actual path taken with the ability to save and compare your results with other results.
iPhone - 2 mega pixel. A common place phone camera that will not produce images that most people would want if they went to a concert or show.
Nokia N95 - 2 cameras. 5 mega pixel and VGA for video conferencing on EU networks. The 5 meg camera takes stunning pictures day and night. Carl Zeiss optics. Comes with editing software right on the phone. With third party applications your can take pictures of pages and email them or fax them.
Video capture
iPhone - None
Nokia N95 - 640 x 480 @ 30 fps. Stunning quality, even at night, with audio. Includes digital stabilization.
Activation
iPhone - 2 year contract that adds up to quite a bit.
Nokia N95 - Buy it unlocked from Nokia or Dell directly and have a warranty and no contract to take it where ever you want.
Infrared
iPhone - None
Nokia N95 - Works great. With it you can
Transfer data.
Control all the Infrared devices in your house and office.
Connect to your PC and use the phone as a modem.
Screen
iPhone - Very nice large touch screen. (finger print prone). Requires 2 hands to operate easily.
Nokia N95 - Smaller screen than the IPhone. A larger screen would have been nice. Easy one handed operation.
TV Out
iPhone - None
Nokia N95 - Works great with the supplied cable. Use it in a hotel room with a BT keyboard to read email and edit office documents, Use it on your TV to play video games, movies, and share pictures.
Cable Interface
iPhone - proprietary iPod type connection.
Nokia N95 - Mini USB and a standard mini plug that all ear buds use. (same plug for TV Out)
Speakerphone
iPhone - ?
Nokia N95 - People do not even know I am on it.
iPhone - Mono sound
Nokia N95 - Probably the best set of stereo speakers every installed in a cell phone.
Ring tones
iPhone - Is it even worth mentioning?
Nokia N95 - Use pretty much anything you want. Any audio track on the phone can be used. Create your own mix right on the phone itself and save it as a new mp3 or ring tone.
Traveling
iPhone - You are locked to ATT, period.
Nokia N95 - Unlocked and support for various networks across the globe. If you are traveler, the iPhone is not even a consideration if you do your research.
Sexiness (I am putting this here because CNET mentioned this)
iPhone - Sleek and cool looking, but viewed as a toy in the workplace.
N95 - Viewed as THE phone of a technologically competent professional.
Battery
IPhone - Longer lasting than the N95, but not removable
Nokia N95 - Replaceable battery. If you find yourself in the EMERGENCY situation where you need to make a call and do not have access to a charger and your battery is dead, you can just replace the battery with a spare. With the iPhone you could be stuck off the side of a cliff in a car with no power and trapped. Unfortunately, Apple seemed to overlook this MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE OF HAVING A CELL PHONE IN THE FIRST PLACE. EMERGENCYS!!! I would actually be willing to get my wife this phone if it were not for this issue.
IPhone - None at this time.
Nokia N95 - Several different office applications, programming, game emulators such as MAME (allowing playing pf 1000's of known arcade game classics), Synch applications, Tune musical instruments, Gmaps, Google maps, Phone Guardian, GSM Tracker, ybroswer, FExplorer, SysExplorer, studio nokia, mobile web server, cCam, Carbide ui, SymSMB, Instant Messaging, VoIP,, SSH/Telnet, rar files with Mobilerar, stream with Orb or TVersity, Mobiola Webcam, Mobiola Microphone Remote, Mobiola Remote Phone Control, Tomtom, NavXS and others, Aspicore GSM Tracker, ultimat voice recorder, really nice 3D games by the hundreds, HourPower, Digital Clock, Mobisophy InteractiveVoice Call Master, Webgates Advanced Call Manager, MobieGenie, Divx player, CORE Player, Flash 5 player, PeerBox, TextQuick, Mobile Weather, eBuddy, MSN, Mig33, ScanR, Palringo, Adobe PDF support preinstalled, MS Excel and Word support pre installed, S60 Internet Radio, VCEL, ShoZu, TypePad Mobile, OperaMini, The Kaywa Reader, Jaiku, Nokia Sensor, Nokia Team Suite, Gmail Mobile, Symella, SymTorrent, Python for S60, PuTTy, QReader, ReadM, Chords for S60, S-Tris 2, Nokia - Wellness Diary, Acala 3GP Movies, studio_nokia, MyStrands, OggPlay, JabpLite, Calcium, GCalSync, Autolock, MobileRar, Nokia Local Search, Scenetone, Tasky, Nokia DJ Mixer, Fring, WorldMate, CellTrack, Loc Bluepulse, Spodtronic, Mobixie, Hibaru, DJMixerNSeries, SafeTxt, GamesFlash, Market Simplified for Mobiles, myNumbers, Qibla Compass for Mobiles, Handylearn Counter, Weight and Measures Quick Study Guide, mShell, Virgin Radio & Podcast Player....
I could add to this list for hours. Many of these applications are free. Most of these programs are well written and feature rich. These are not trivial little tidy bits. If you really want a smart phone, it has to be smart enough to know that it will not do everything out of the box and some things should be left to outside programmers to develop. The iPhone 's application list is not even a bad joke compared to the N95. The problem with comparing the two is that it takes months just to get a handle on the capabilities of an N95. Most N95 users do not take the time to respond to such comparisons, as the comparison is not only foolish, but requires quite a bit of time to accurately list the N95's capabilities.
IPhone - None at this time.
Nokia N95 - Several different office applications, programming, game emulators such as MAME (allowing playing pf 1000's of known arcade game classics), Synch applications, Tune musical instruments, Gmaps, Google maps, Phone Guardian, GSM Tracker, ybroswer, FExplorer, SysExplorer, studio nokia, mobile web server, cCam, Carbide ui, SymSMB, Instant Messaging, VoIP,, SSH/Telnet, rar files with Mobilerar, stream with Orb or TVersity, Mobiola Webcam, Mobiola Microphone Remote, Mobiola Remote Phone Control, Tomtom, NavXS and others, Aspicore GSM Tracker, ultimat voice recorder, really nice 3D games by the hundreds, HourPower, Digital Clock, Mobisophy InteractiveVoice Call Master, Webgates Advanced Call Manager, MobieGenie, Divx player, CORE Player, Flash 5 player, PeerBox, TextQuick, Mobile Weather, eBuddy, MSN, Mig33, ScanR, Palringo, Adobe PDF support preinstalled, MS Excel and Word support pre installed, S60 Internet Radio, VCEL, ShoZu, TypePad Mobile, OperaMini, The Kaywa Reader, Jaiku, Nokia Sensor, Nokia Team Suite, Gmail Mobile, Symella, SymTorrent, Python for S60, PuTTy, QReader, ReadM, Chords for S60, S-Tris 2, Nokia - Wellness Diary, Acala 3GP Movies, studio_nokia, MyStrands, OggPlay, JabpLite, Calcium, GCalSync, Autolock, MobileRar, Nokia Local Search, Scenetone, Tasky, Nokia DJ Mixer, Fring, WorldMate, CellTrack, Loc Bluepulse, Spodtronic, Mobixie, Hibaru, DJMixerNSeries, SafeTxt, GamesFlash, Market Simplified for Mobiles, myNumbers, Qibla Compass for Mobiles, Handylearn Counter, Weight and Measures Quick Study Guide, mShell, Virgin Radio & Podcast Player....
IPhone - None
Nokia N95 - Excellent. Allows for real time hardware decoding of video codec and for superior 3D gaming. Plug this bad boy into your TV with a few nice NGage games and stun even the most hard core xbox360/ps3 owner.
Interesting discussion on this blog as always. I'd just like to jump in and add a few things about ShoZu. We've actually released an updated version 3.20.51 for s60v3 (ie. the N95) a couple of weeks ago which you can download from our site and addresses a few of the memory concerns with this phone. All ShoZu 3.20 versions use a new replication engine so we've also upped the limit to 10MB file sizes and are hoping to increase this again in future, dependent on phone memory constraints and some intense testing.
We're also big fans of the iPhone and will be announcing a service soon for iPhone users to simplify the file sharing experience.
Best,
Mark (ShoZu)
- The N95 camera is better...but that doesn't matter.
- The N95 has a GPS...but Apple was "smart" to not include one.
- The N95 has faster data options...but why would you want faster data when I can drive for miles to "maybe" find a free WiFi signal.
- The N95 can be used with any GSM carrier...but AT&T must be the best because Apple anointed them.
- There are thousands more apps written for the Symbian OS...but they all suck cuz Apple didn't write them...and 10 years down the line Apple will have more...so I'll wait.
- The N95 can record high quality video...but why would I want to record video when I have a crappy still camera?
- N95 connects to the TV, uses regular 3.5" head phones, 2 cameras (one for video conferencing), VoIP, the list just goes on and on and on....
I have nothing against the iphone, but damn, when people have the sickness, there seems to be no cure.
The iphone is prettier and has cooler transitions between screens. Because of this, it has a bigger initial "wow" factor.
Now watch the Apple coolaid drinkers explain that everything that the iphone can't do as well (or can't do at all) has a reason...and therefore is not important.
Regarding the camera..."Better in every other respect"....yeah right.
http://www.symbian-freak.com/forum/viewtopic.ph...
Let me start w/ something else... 5mpx camera, better flash, video recorder, TV out, home network sharing. Built in Nokia maps. Installed on my phone right now? Route66, navigation w/ 1 time fee. Quake, u ever play Quake???? Skyforce, global race...and u have faster internet??? have u tried Opera Mini on the N95? call urself tech geek??? best of all on my phone??? Phoneguardian, in case I lost my phone, new sim card inserted in, my phone will text me a message let me know which number's using my phone. I can remotely lock the phone. My phone will automatically erase all my contact, pix, data file one the phone... oh wait wait... if that person send out a text message, the phone will also forward me 1, so not only I know who's using my phone, I'll also know his/her friend...there's more... if he's outside, my phone will grab the GPS's location and send it to me.... and do u wanna count how many software out there?? Take Samir for example... I don't know what's the limited text on here but.... your phone is more superior????? hahah what idiots would listen to this? my email is heineken702@gmail.com if anyone wanna ask me about N95, aiites?
I mean as you can see, above, so many people gave u enough reason why N95 is much better phone. Buying a phone that is not smart, is just like buyign a car for its cigarette lighter.
I've read that u can't load some website on N95, I'm wondering, can u give me those address, I'll open it and take screen shot (oh wait, another feature iPhone doesn't have) and post it up for ya ;)
When the battery is broken, that's mean you have to buy a new one. Let's take a look at the price of both brands. Nokia orginal battery is about #15.00 - I phone's battery is much more expensive ( about $152.00)
For example, many years later you have to replace abattery , so you have to lose $152.00per year for an Iphone ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. But for a Nokia N95, you can use it for a while.
This thread is long enough so I won't bother explaining why.
Apple, just stick to iPods ok?
iPhone - easier to use
N95 - harder to use
iPhone - less features
N95 - more features
Is that hard to understand? For most people, easy to use is key. Mainly because most people can't figure out the cheap phones they have now. They can't figure out how to use GPS, or use the crappy browser, or connect via bluetooth. So what good are features if they aren't utilized? They are worth nothing.
The iPhone gets its right. Sure, they have areas they need to work on a lot. But with 3G, 3rd party apps, and Exchange support, the new iPhone is set to skyrocket in popularity. More so than it already has.
"It's the experience, stupid," couldn't be more true.
Improved battery and bigger screen to name just two improvements.