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Re: Code of conduct or not?

travestinizayca — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:27:10 -0000

The death threats and harassment were deemed to be out of line, which is good, most of us do not want to participate in that kind of environment anyways. What came out of that incident though was the

Re: Code of conduct or not?

travesti — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:06:13 -0000

When meankids site owner _later_ says that “what it later became was not the initial intent of the site”, then why not publish it’s intent? [And it's not just the comments but even the posts on it crossed the line of civility.] Publishing a CoC not only helps stop unwanted content on your blog but also to protect yourself/your blog against being abused as was the case with meadkids site. If all the bloggers of the meankids site had subscribed to that _original-intent_ would it have all those nasty posts?

Re: Code of conduct or not?

ozlem kuafor — Fri, 26 Dec 2008 18:01:12 -0000

It may not have been Tim’s original intent, but people are already starting to use this to draw a black-and-white line between “follows the ‘Civility Enforced’ rules and ‘Anything Goes’.” Which is nonsense. There is a lot of room for bloggers of good faith who don’t agree with with one or more of the (in my opinion overbearing) O’Reilly-backed rules to run civil upstanding blogs, but they’re going to get lumped in with the freefire zones as this debate degenerates to namecalling.

Re: Code of conduct or not?

super bilisim — Fri, 26 Dec 2008 18:00:13 -0000

I spent the last two years writing about my optimism about blogs and the wonderful opportunity it gave us. I was so wrong. The threatening emails, photos, outright lying posts, and having all my personal data (ss, home address, etc.) posted all over the net SINCE I went public have proved that to me once and for all.

very nice

Re: Code of conduct or not?

travesti vitrini — Fri, 26 Dec 2008 17:59:10 -0000

When there is a code in place - the most interesting blogs will become the ones that tread closest to the edges. :)
Rules are for a reason - they are meant to be broken and its a lot of fun when they are.

thanks

Re: Code of conduct or not?

travesti — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:44:28 -0000

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Re: Code of conduct or not?

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Re: Code of conduct or not?

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Re: Code of conduct or not?

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Re: Code of conduct or not?

Blonde 2.0 — Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:00:18 -0000

Sorry Robert:
I accidently posted the comment above while it was intended for a completely different discussion on another blog regarding Kevin Burton's latest "cell phone scandal":
http://www.feedblog.org/200...

Anyways, I thought that since it was my error, I at least should fill you in on the story. That way you could figure out if you wanted to take responsibility for my comment. I mean, isn't that part of the new code of bloggers ethics? :-)

Re: Code of conduct or not?

Blonde 2.0 — Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:47:06 -0000

Kfir:

I totally agree with you. Who cares?
Take it offline!
Or better yet, perhaps we should write up a "cell owners code of conduct?"

Blonde 2.0

Re: Code of conduct or not?

ict4peace — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:36:18 -0000

As someone who gets the most virulent comments imaginable with the occasional death threat to boot, in a country in which a culture of impunity has overwhelmed the Rule of Law and where human rights are now just a good idea, I can assure you that I am partial to the idea of some sort of framework of civility for comments in blogs.

However, this has to be determined by the owner / group that runs each blog - not by a higher uber-blogger who determines what civility is for the rest of us.

See http://ict4peace.wordpress....

Re: Code of conduct or not?

Steve Elbows — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:12:36 -0000

If Tim has that much power to affect the career of bloggers, then something has gone wrong with the promise of the blogosphere.

I guess I would be more interested in open discussions about intimidation and coercion, than in a code of conduct. Nothing in the proposed code would protect Kathy as far as I can tell, and I think theres more chance of helping humans build psychological defenses against intimidation & coercion, than trying to silence every troll.

'stick and stones' badge anyone?

Re: Code of conduct or not?

Javaira — Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:04:38 -0000

Any code has to be voluntary, just as it is voluntary to say thank you.

The culture of the internet will change if large groups of people change their expectations of peoples behaviour. If people do not meet our expectations we treat them the say way we treat a person who is rude in a social setting.

I think the fundamental problem is that a whole chunk of the community does not think that anything on the internet is serious. Therefore anything goes.

This is serious, this culture must gain some real credibility to make any ground on these sorts of issues.

Re: Code of conduct or not?

Brett — Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:06:57 -0000

The Airbag Department of Security Blog Advisory System gets my vote. Good for a laugh:

http://www.airbagindustries...

credit where credit is due: found while reading http://daringfireball.net/

Re: Code of conduct or not?

Rob Moir — Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:47:01 -0000

At the end of the day this code of conduct thing is just a way for people with an overly high opinion of their own importance to try and impress everyone with how important they are.

Those who would take notice of such a code (lets leave the other obvious flaws aside because they've been done to death) don't need such a code. Those who you would most want to abide by it will either remain unaware that it exists or take great delight in playing with its limits. I'm sure you remember how things were in a certain CoffeeHouse, Robert.

And the badges... maybe they're an American thing but they seem awfully trite and childish to me. (I mean the concept of badges at all, not the obvious cultural bias in the designs offered)

Re: Code of conduct or not?

Jack Hughes — Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:51:36 -0000

One of the nice things about being a beta blogger, a beta geek and not talking at conferences is that I can blithely ignore what anybody thinks up to and including Tim O'Reilly.

Re: Code of conduct or not?

Shade_Jon — Tue, 10 Apr 2007 05:51:25 -0000

A week prior to the Kathy Sierra thing, I made my own Blogger Code of Ethics, which I think was a little less severe:

http://jergames.blogspot.co...

Yehuda

Re: Code of conduct or not?

Gubbi — Tue, 10 Apr 2007 05:39:23 -0000

Ignore the above comment. It was to mean:
ok, CoC solution is crappy. So, what do you propose?

Re: Code of conduct or not?

KNOCKS — Tue, 10 Apr 2007 05:07:01 -0000

I don't think this is the solution, I believe we will have to self regulate ourselves

Re: Code of conduct or not?

Gubbi — Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:16:57 -0000

Agreed that CoC isn't the solution, but then how will "Anything goes" with comment moderation help?

Re: Code of conduct or not?

Gubbi — Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:09:18 -0000

I agree that "code of Conduct" is not a quick fix solution to help prevent abuses/threats online. But in the long run, I guess it will help create a better ecosystem. (not the either-white-or-black CoC as suggested by TO. I guess he'll modify it to be more flexible and is taking the initial feedback seriously.) Comment moderation is one thing that helps. But that's one sided effort. When a CoC is published or subscribed to, it lets the reader know/get-educated as to what contents you and your blog entertains. When many top bloggers subscribe to some CoC as guidelines (and not rule), others follow and it helps create a better blogger ecosystem where respectful conversations can take place, as people know what kind of a dialog you expect and what they can expect from you. The idea of having a badge that represents some value-system we subscribe to and showing it at the comments space sounds like an incredible and simple first(though not the only) step to me. Why is it that we are ok/put up with anything online but not so in real world? When meankids site owner _later_ says that "what it later became was not the initial intent of the site", then why not publish it's intent? [And it's not just the comments but even the posts on it crossed the line of civility.] Publishing a CoC not only helps stop unwanted content on your blog but also to protect yourself/your blog against being abused as was the case with meadkids site. If all the bloggers of the meankids site had subscribed to that _original-intent_ would it have all those nasty posts? If that _original_intent_ was published, would it have all of those comments?

Re: Code of conduct or not?

raincoaster — Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:51:24 -0000

See, posts like this are why I read you even though I'm a non-techy.

I won't be joining the Code Signees. I do have my own code, and abide by it thoroughly, and don't think I need anyone else to tell me how to behave on my own blog.

We all know that the people who inspired this code would never obey it anyway: they INTENDED to be outrageous and offensive.

Re: Code of conduct or not?

LayZ — Mon, 09 Apr 2007 23:54:10 -0000

@86. Exactly, Robert. The "code of conduct" is the proverbial lipsitck on a pig. Every blogger has the ability to control the tone of conversation on their blog and they don't need a "code of conduct" to do so. No one forces a person to read their blog, just like no one forces one to watch something in the movies or TV that they find objectionable. Just like changing the channel, don't read or subscribe to a blog if you don't like the "conversation". The market will decide which ones "win"