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Kelly — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 03:20:10 -0000

Hi! Nice site!

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Anonymous — Sat, 06 May 2006 11:19:57 -0000

Have found everyting I needed on your site. And already put in my bookmarks :)

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Kevin — Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:25:32 -0000

I am not the Are you the New York Times... but I am responsible for getting as many members of the company I work for (trade association), which has approx 6000 members, to come back to our web site. I think partial feeds are just fine in this regard. Perhaps such feeds are even a "member benefit". Am I misguided?

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scobleizer — Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:11:52 -0000

Kevin: I guess but the number of sites that I'm willing to be a member of to read the content is very very very very small. Are you the New York Times? That's about it.

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Kevin — Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:46:57 -0000

What about membership based sites, where the full text of the article is for members only, and requires login at the main site?

The teaser text or partial text is simply to let members, and ysers (prospects) know that new content has been posted. The partial of course includes details as to the gist of the full text.

Partial feeds make sense to me in this sense. Am I wrong?

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Anonymous — Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:41:36 -0000

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Doug — Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:21:23 -0000

Peter you maybe should have read some of the previous posts ,but thanks for furthering what I was saying

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Peter Holloway — Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:31:54 -0000

One aspect that doesn't seem to have been discussed is what Feed Readers are designed/used for. My understanding was that this was the latest way of getting information from various sources without having the overhead of downloading styling, visiting multiple sites etc. It is for the information hungry consumer.

Personally excerpted feeds come across as teaser ads, not content - this is not what RSS/Feed Readers was designed for.

FWIW I don't think the small click through revenues warrant forcing people to visit the site in order to read unless the site has a huge readership. For most publishers I believe that your RSS publishing is better seen as developing a recognition of your expertise within your given industry. It's more of a marketing tool than a revenue stream.

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Doug — Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:23:25 -0000

scobelizer, I beg to differ that IS what RSS feeds were originally intended for.

According to rss-specifications.com the very name in its self is its definition:

"RSS is defined as Really Simple Syndication or Rich Site Summary. RSS files are formed as XML files and are designed to provide content summaries of news, blogs, forums or website content."

"The feeds are generally simple headlines and brief descriptions if the user is interested they can click to see additional information."

"Initially rss feeds were intended for news headlines."

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scobleizer — Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:20:12 -0000

Doug (91): NOOOOOO!!! That absolutely is NOT the reason feeds were invented. Talk to Netscape and Dave Winer about what they were used for. Syndication!!!! IE, redistributing content to where YOU wanted it.

Ethan: I started reading my feeds again cause I realized I was missing the small things.

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Ethan — Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:02:02 -0000

OK, I'll say it, since I didn't see this go by in the comment thread:

I thought you weren't reading feeds anymore...? Something something no time something skimming something Memeorandum something?

What changed?

(On a side note, I principally offer full-text feeds at TVT, and you managed - historically - to subscribe to the sole partial-text feed. Something upthread about "how hard is it to offer both?" Not hard at all.)

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Doug — Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:31:38 -0000

Wasn't the whole intention of an RSS feed in the frist place to provide a summary so you could decide wether or not you wanted to load the site to read what was written?

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Ben Dummett — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:17:48 -0000

I checked with my lawyers and they still consider that murder.

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Steve — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:32:47 -0000

"What the mainstream media (MSM) lacks, the blogosphere has in spades: energy, momentum, and a growing audience. But what bloggers lack is money -- bloggers have yet to find an efficient way to turn their hard work into revenue … and until they do, blogging will always be a lonely sidelight, vulnerable to dying with the next missed mortgage check."

Michael S. Malone

Isn't leaving your slavishly derived CGM a fair trade for the attention that your site derives from the other zombie like readers deciding that your comments merit further investigation?

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Mauricio Freitas — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:39:34 -0000

I think the reality is that each company can think and act the way they want. I tend to agree with summary instead of full content in feeds for content generators such as blogs or enthusiast sites. Have you seem how many scrapper sites making money of our content there is around? They simply paste the whole feed.

Now, you saying a company will not get a link from a page you control just because they don't provide full feeds... Sorry but I am now removing YOUR feed from my list.

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Vish — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:13:58 -0000

I won't pretend to understand a damned thing about RSS but I do admit if anyone needed full text of the crap I post they'd probably need therapy more...

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Ben K — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:50:08 -0000

Your posts tend to run to ten or fifteen lines or so. Posting a full feed makes sense. Some other blogs (I won't mention Autoblog by name) run to pages of text per posting, and sometimes a dozen or more photos. I don't want all that in my RSS reader. I find it convenient if a feed has a few lines of detail, and lets me decide if I want to go find out more.

In the days of paper journalism, you had to write your articles from the top down, because the editor might cut you off when you exceeded the column inches he had available. Something for blogs to consider.

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ben — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:43:56 -0000

Sounds like some hysterical self-important whiner has a very strange idea of what slavery is.

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Walter Lounsbery — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:41:08 -0000

There is a semi-prolific blogger that works a couple of cubes down the aisle from me. Believe it or not, he only feed the TITLES of his articles! I gently told him once that I wasn't getting much out of his blog that way.

So now he has to walk down the aisle and tell me when he's posted a "good" article. Justice is served!

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Brad — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:08:14 -0000

I think the the this points out is the difference between power users like scoble and more casual users. Of course partial text feeds are gonna stand out in 700 feeds.

But I'd imagine that most folks aren't using RSS like Scoble does. As a matter of fact I'd imagine most folks use them not all that differently than they use their favorites.

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dratz — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:42:25 -0000

Some people just don't get the technology. Give 'em Hell. A lot of places still have trouble understanding the real power and appeal of the internet.

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Tom Gordon — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 05:46:13 -0000

THis came up the other month and I commented on partial evrsus full text then. My contention? The decision to provide full or partial feeds is entirely dependant on what I'm using RSS for, and who my intended audience is. My commercial games news website only publishes a partial feed - deliberately - as I don't want people reading the stories, reviews, articles and other things I publish through that channel via RSS. The RSS feed (which has been available since we launched in 2002) is designed specifically to draw people to the website itself, to introduce them not to the one story theya re reading, but to the wealth of other information contained on the site that is not made available via RSS (even via a partial feed).

At the same time, my personal weblog where I talk about Identity and other things is availabel as a full-text feed (with RSS ads, if they're working properly...) because it is a discussion site, a 'blog', not a commercial concern.

More here:
http://cro.alienpants.com/i...

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Nicole Simon — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 04:30:54 -0000

The solution to content theft is not partials feeds. It will only take them some time to take a feed and fetch the according content from a website.

If there is a solution, it is more old school approaches like combined efforts as in hurting where the money comes from.

As in full feeds: if your business modell requires partial feeds and your readers want full feeds, then at least be honest and say you are in there for the money, skip the feed at all and make standard SEO - because that is then what you are after: Visits from the search engines, not blog readers who have different interests than SE-visitors.

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meishei — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:59:42 -0000

my bad, you have comment feed here
http://scobleizer.wordpress...

it's just far away from your entires feed.

sorry for rushing to conclusion

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meishei — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:56:28 -0000

woud you pls open your comments rss feed so i can track the "conversation" more easily. Thank you!