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Re: Brrreeeport crazy and more search engine lies

markr — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:58:51 -0000

I posted the day after. still not showing up. Then again My blog started about two weeks ago. So I wait for the search engines to say. But I got friends, family and some strangers appearing.

Keep posting. You and Dave are one and two in my reading lists

Re: Brrreeeport crazy and more search engine lies

ran — Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:08:25 -0000

You missed the obvious answer here.

The problem with the main search index counts vs blog searches is that a single post will be indexed multiple times and therefore count multiple times because it'll have a cache of the front page, the post itself, the comments link, the "recent posts" link on every post that has that side bar, the archive, the rss feed etc.

As of 1pm Sunday, Google has 56,100, and Yahoo 78,900, MSN shows 45,379.

Re: Brrreeeport crazy and more search engine lies

Lincoln — Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:30:55 -0000

Just a question, but what can you use a reliable search count for? Unless you know that EVERY page is indexed, or know exactly what percentage of pages are / are not indexed, what use is an accurate count?

I daresay you can't do any statistics with it, because you don't know your 'search domain'.

What use is it, really?

Re: Brrreeeport crazy and more search engine lies

Pete Jones — Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:01:41 -0000

Great idea - fantastic for you, and everyone else.
e.g.

http://www.brrreeeport.co.uk

Will the epidemic completely take off or it will
it fizzle away?

Re: Brrreeeport crazy and more search engine lies

mridula — Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:01:45 -0000

I am a total nobody in blogsphere but i find this very interesting!

Re: Brrreeeport crazy and more search engine lies

eteraz — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:27:48 -0000

being a lay person i have no clue what you guys are doing, but it seems real important, and real beneficial, so keep at it.

i remember a few years ago, google went from 4.5 billion web pages to 8.9 billion. how did they double?

NO EXPLANATAION.

Re: Brrreeeport crazy and more search engine lies

Alan Graham — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:44:49 -0000

Robert, here's my overview of the Brrreeeport:

http://www.feedster.com/blo...

Re: Brrreeeport crazy and more search engine lies

Robert Waller — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:44:31 -0000

22,000 @22:42 UCT - This is becoming so unbelievable....

Re: Brrreeeport crazy and more search engine lies

Chris L — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:37:47 -0000

Although it doesn't account for all of it, I was under the impression that Google's total was inflated because the count shown wasn't pages, but occurrences (many "pages" have the term multiple times).

I don't believe the lower numbers though. Just about every single blog that mentions it thus accounts for multiple mentions on the main page, the individual archive page and perhaps more uf there are aggregate archives of various types. The number simply CAN'T be in the

Re: Brrreeeport crazy and more search engine lies

CetaMac — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:16:22 -0000

I'm sorry, what exactly is Brrreeeport means?

Re: Brrreeeport crazy and more search engine lies

bd_ — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:34:06 -0000

Most likely, the strange result count is due to statistical sampling methods used to quickly _estimate_ the number of matches to a search. Obviously, in this case the sampling method broke down rather spectacularly.

Re: Brrreeeport crazy and more search engine lies

Bill nadraszky — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:23:54 -0000

Well one possibility with the results in Google vs Technorati is that Technorati sucks as far as recognizing their own pings and Google seems to pull posts from everywhere. My post that I tracked back here as no. 24 in the comments may be here and in googles blog search but Technorati seems to always ignore all of my pings from all of my weblogs even though I have claimed them and not recieved an error in the pinging of my Movable Type blogs.

Maybe is the pinging worked better the Google and Technorati numbers would be the same.

Re: Brrreeeport crazy and more search engine lies

Christopher Coulter — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:04:55 -0000

Have Mercy, for they know not what they do. (I hafta keep telling myself that).

Glad you found a hobby tho.

Re: Brrreeeport crazy and more search engine lies

Adam Hertz — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:05:51 -0000

Robert, I don't know whether you saw my post -- I left a little goodie for you.

Best,
-A-

Re: Brrreeeport crazy and more search engine lies

Alan Lewis — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:22:55 -0000

A normal google.com search claims 22,300 results, but the actual number is 364. If you go to page 37 (as of 8:20am PST) you'll see this:

"In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 364 already displayed.
If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included."

When you run with the omitted results included, you'll see that most of the omitted results show exactly the same content -- its only the URL that is slightly different. Maybe if G and the other search engines would show actual search result numbers instead of clearly misleading ones I wouldn't have to suffer through yet another obnoxious news report where the reporter says something like "Google found 14 gazillion hits for 'xyz'" when I know that is just fiction.

Re: Brrreeeport crazy and more search engine lies

Calvin Jones — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:18:46 -0000

http://brrrreeeport.blogspo...

Now there are blogs about the topic!

Re: Brrreeeport crazy and more search engine lies

kalbzayn — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:17:40 -0000

Maybe 14000 webpages are skimming the brrreeeport entries onto their webpage to increase their hits and revenue. I know I've had comments on slashdot that somehow end up showing up on these kind of sites. And, I'm a real nobody online.

I does seem silly to show that big of a number if it is not accurate. Either say "approximately", or give the real number, or don't give any number at all.

Re: Brrreeeport crazy and more search engine lies

Kirby — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:34:44 -0000

Lisa, I can see your point as a blogger, that you would want to make sure you are being included in all searches. I am coming from the opposite spectrum, the professional researcher. I want a few very relevant results and as little echo as possible near the top.

Re: Brrreeeport crazy and more search engine lies

Lincoln — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:07:37 -0000

Like others have said, it's not the counts that count, but the links that end up being provided.

Both MSN and Google show scobleizer.wordpress.com as the top link (excluding the 'special' Technorati links for Google). How much more accurate can you get?

Imagine you went to the library and asked the librarian for a book on Word War 2. Which would you prefer?

a) "Here you are... this book here has everything you could ever want to know about WWII and has been rated as worthy by thousands of readers"; or

b) "Well you know... we do have 11,485,927 references to WWII in books spread throughout the library. That's an exact count, so..."

As far as I'm concerned, answer (b) is absolutely useless.

In theory, a perfectly accurate search engine would only ever need to give you 1 answer, as a perfectly accurate search engine would know *exactly* what you wanted!

Re: Brrreeeport crazy and more search engine lies

Stig — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:04:10 -0000

Google is still in denial about brrreeeport being spelled properly. I just received the following email:

Hello,

Thank you for advertising with Google AdWords. I recently reviewed your AdWords account and found that either one or more of your ads and/or keywords violates our guidelines or that you filed an exception request from one or more of our policies and it is awaiting a response. Below, please find my report on your account status.

----------------------------------------------
Campaign: 'brrreeeport,' Ad Group: 'brrreeeport'
----------------------------------------------

AD TEXT:

Got brrreeeport?
If it's not on your blog
it should be!
www.stighammond.com

Ad Status: Suspended - Pending Revision
Ad Issue(s): Spelling
~~~~~~~~~

DENIED EXCEPTION(S):
After careful consideration, we are unable to grant the exception requests listed below. Your ad or keyword is no longer active. For your convenience, I've included your original message to us directly below each policy violation.

Spelling: misspelled: brrreeeport?, language: en

Your explanation: Brrreeeport is a term coined by Microsoft's Robert Scoble of the blog Scobelizer
(http://scobleizer.wordpress... and already has more than 156 mentions on Google Blog search.

SUGGESTIONS:
-> Ad Text: You have one or more words spelled incorrectly within your ad text.

Current: "brrreeeport"

Re: Brrreeeport crazy and more search engine lies

Lisa Renee — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:28:50 -0000

Search Scoble on Google...looks like all posts relating to brrreeeport are gone.

Re: Brrreeeport crazy and more search engine lies

Lisa Renee — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:23:12 -0000

I think it's important and I know there are more than 482 posts that contain the word "Brrreeeport" out of 28 million blogs. (both numbers from Technorati) Why it's important is that alot of us, like me use search engines all the time and if they are not accurate what are we missing is my question. I think the key to this is to find out why blogs didn't make the technoriti or GBS search. Each of us who did should note if ours showed up or not. Once some of the blogs that did not show up are found? Might hold some clues. Might not but? For the record? I have two posts that show up in Technorati, and one that shows up in GBS.

Re: Brrreeeport crazy and more search engine lies

Chrono Cr@cker — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:08:28 -0000

Google currently has 000. A big golden zero. Numbers do change fast around here..

Re: Brrreeeport crazy and more search engine lies

Kirby — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:47:57 -0000

I'm with Ron, it's less important to me who is accurate with how many times brrreeeport comes up than who comes up with the original and the best links on the first page.
On a side note: while Fred's link works for me, anytime I do a search starting on the Google homepage, there are NO records for brrreeeport. Anyone else seeing this?

Re: Brrreeeport crazy and more search engine lies

Ron Kass — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 06:55:37 -0000

Why do you care so much about accurate results.
No search engine out there gives totally accurate results all the time. for many reasons, mostly relating to optimizations.
Even technorati (correct me Sifry if I am wrong) reports estimates only for search queries with many results (lets say 10K+).. terms like 'google search blog for example, giving 135,486 results .