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Scobleizer: Brrreeeport crazy and more search engine lies

  • John Koontz · 3 years ago
    Well, we could count them. I have a brrreeeport post, so that makes one. Who's next?
  • David Sifry · 3 years ago
    Robert, I just posted about this, including timed screenshots, and now I've just seen your post. Here's a link:

    http://www.sifry.com/alerts/archives/000421.html

    Dave
  • David Sifry · 3 years ago
    Oh and BTW, you really need to click on through to the end of GBS' results to get the exact number, which is currently 337, see here:

    http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?q=brrre...

    Dave
  • David Sifry · 3 years ago
    Also, Feedster is currently claiming 495 posts, but when you click through, you only get to see 361 posts.

    http://www.feedster.com/search/brrreeeport/pg37

    Dave
  • srm · 3 years ago
    Well, it is interesting. I just queried Feedster with above link. It shows 2 different counts (470 and 490) when I navigate thru' different page numbers.
    It is hard to know the accurate count, I guess.
    I hope the search engines won't count the number of occurrences of the word "brrreeeport" in each post as opposed to number of blog posts. okay, this shows i don't know about how search engines work. :)
  • Dannie · 3 years ago
    Thanks Robert for this little foray into numbers!
  • Fred · 3 years ago
    I'm not sure what is going on over at the google labs but they must have been taking crack cause there sure isn't 22300 pages about brrreeeport in this listing, http://72.14.207.104/search?hl=en&q=brrreee... Not yet atleast
  • Lisa · 3 years ago
    Looking at this objectively though....

    Is it not possible there *could* be 14 or 15 thousand pages containing "brrreeeport" on the web... given the exponential/self-feeding nature of the brrreeeport phenomenon???

    Perhaps try the experiment again - but with a much more cumbersome term - say 50 characters... It might work better because, for one, people will be less enthusiastic the second time around, and, secondly, there is not such a "phenomenon" and "new meme" to talk about meaning fewer posts and more controlled spread of the new term.
  • scobleizer · 3 years ago
    Lisa: no, it's not possible.

    And, if it were, then SOMEONE would be able to show that many pages.

    It's very easy to verify, just click through the search engines until you can't click "next" anymore.
  • Ron Kass · 3 years ago
    Why do you care so much about accurate results.
    No search engine out there gives totally accurate results all the time. for many reasons, mostly relating to optimizations.
    Even technorati (correct me Sifry if I am wrong) reports estimates only for search queries with many results (lets say 10K+).. terms like 'google search blog for example, giving 135,486 results .
  • Kirby · 3 years ago
    I'm with Ron, it's less important to me who is accurate with how many times brrreeeport comes up than who comes up with the original and the best links on the first page.
    On a side note: while Fred's link works for me, anytime I do a search starting on the Google homepage, there are NO records for brrreeeport. Anyone else seeing this?
  • Chrono Cr@cker · 3 years ago
    Google currently has 000. A big golden zero. Numbers do change fast around here..
  • Lisa Renee · 3 years ago
    I think it's important and I know there are more than 482 posts that contain the word "Brrreeeport" out of 28 million blogs. (both numbers from Technorati) Why it's important is that alot of us, like me use search engines all the time and if they are not accurate what are we missing is my question. I think the key to this is to find out why blogs didn't make the technoriti or GBS search. Each of us who did should note if ours showed up or not. Once some of the blogs that did not show up are found? Might hold some clues. Might not but? For the record? I have two posts that show up in Technorati, and one that shows up in GBS.
  • Lisa Renee · 3 years ago
    Search Scoble on Google...looks like all posts relating to brrreeeport are gone.
  • Stig · 3 years ago
    Google is still in denial about brrreeeport being spelled properly. I just received the following email:

    Hello,

    Thank you for advertising with Google AdWords. I recently reviewed your AdWords account and found that either one or more of your ads and/or keywords violates our guidelines or that you filed an exception request from one or more of our policies and it is awaiting a response. Below, please find my report on your account status.

    ----------------------------------------------
    Campaign: 'brrreeeport,' Ad Group: 'brrreeeport'
    ----------------------------------------------

    AD TEXT:

    Got brrreeeport?
    If it's not on your blog
    it should be!
    www.stighammond.com

    Ad Status: Suspended - Pending Revision
    Ad Issue(s): Spelling
    ~~~~~~~~~

    DENIED EXCEPTION(S):
    After careful consideration, we are unable to grant the exception requests listed below. Your ad or keyword is no longer active. For your convenience, I've included your original message to us directly below each policy violation.

    Spelling: misspelled: brrreeeport?, language: en

    Your explanation: Brrreeeport is a term coined by Microsoft's Robert Scoble of the blog Scobelizer
    (http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/2006/02/13/the-...) and already has more than 156 mentions on Google Blog search.

    SUGGESTIONS:
    -> Ad Text: You have one or more words spelled incorrectly within your ad text.

    Current: "brrreeeport"
  • Lincoln · 3 years ago
    Like others have said, it's not the counts that count, but the links that end up being provided.

    Both MSN and Google show scobleizer.wordpress.com as the top link (excluding the 'special' Technorati links for Google). How much more accurate can you get?

    Imagine you went to the library and asked the librarian for a book on Word War 2. Which would you prefer?

    a) "Here you are... this book here has everything you could ever want to know about WWII and has been rated as worthy by thousands of readers"; or

    b) "Well you know... we do have 11,485,927 references to WWII in books spread throughout the library. That's an exact count, so..."

    As far as I'm concerned, answer (b) is absolutely useless.

    In theory, a perfectly accurate search engine would only ever need to give you 1 answer, as a perfectly accurate search engine would know *exactly* what you wanted!
  • Kirby · 3 years ago
    Lisa, I can see your point as a blogger, that you would want to make sure you are being included in all searches. I am coming from the opposite spectrum, the professional researcher. I want a few very relevant results and as little echo as possible near the top.
  • kalbzayn · 3 years ago
    Maybe 14000 webpages are skimming the brrreeeport entries onto their webpage to increase their hits and revenue. I know I've had comments on slashdot that somehow end up showing up on these kind of sites. And, I'm a real nobody online.

    I does seem silly to show that big of a number if it is not accurate. Either say "approximately", or give the real number, or don't give any number at all.
  • Calvin Jones · 3 years ago
    http://brrrreeeport.blogspot.com/

    Now there are blogs about the topic!
  • Alan Lewis · 3 years ago
    A normal google.com search claims 22,300 results, but the actual number is 364. If you go to page 37 (as of 8:20am PST) you'll see this:

    "In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 364 already displayed.
    If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included."

    When you run with the omitted results included, you'll see that most of the omitted results show exactly the same content -- its only the URL that is slightly different. Maybe if G and the other search engines would show actual search result numbers instead of clearly misleading ones I wouldn't have to suffer through yet another obnoxious news report where the reporter says something like "Google found 14 gazillion hits for 'xyz'" when I know that is just fiction.
  • Adam Hertz · 3 years ago
    Robert, I don't know whether you saw my post -- I left a little goodie for you.

    Best,
    -A-
  • Christopher Coulter · 3 years ago
    Have Mercy, for they know not what they do. (I hafta keep telling myself that).

    Glad you found a hobby tho.
  • Bill nadraszky · 3 years ago
    Well one possibility with the results in Google vs Technorati is that Technorati sucks as far as recognizing their own pings and Google seems to pull posts from everywhere. My post that I tracked back here as no. 24 in the comments may be here and in googles blog search but Technorati seems to always ignore all of my pings from all of my weblogs even though I have claimed them and not recieved an error in the pinging of my Movable Type blogs.

    Maybe is the pinging worked better the Google and Technorati numbers would be the same.
  • bd_ · 3 years ago
    Most likely, the strange result count is due to statistical sampling methods used to quickly _estimate_ the number of matches to a search. Obviously, in this case the sampling method broke down rather spectacularly.
  • CetaMac · 3 years ago
    I'm sorry, what exactly is Brrreeeport means?
  • Chris L · 3 years ago
    Although it doesn't account for all of it, I was under the impression that Google's total was inflated because the count shown wasn't pages, but occurrences (many "pages" have the term multiple times).

    I don't believe the lower numbers though. Just about every single blog that mentions it thus accounts for multiple mentions on the main page, the individual archive page and perhaps more uf there are aggregate archives of various types. The number simply CAN'T be in the
  • Robert Waller · 3 years ago
    22,000 @22:42 UCT - This is becoming so unbelievable....
  • Alan Graham · 3 years ago
    Robert, here's my overview of the Brrreeeport:

    http://www.feedster.com/blog/2006/02/16/feedste...
  • eteraz · 3 years ago
    being a lay person i have no clue what you guys are doing, but it seems real important, and real beneficial, so keep at it.

    i remember a few years ago, google went from 4.5 billion web pages to 8.9 billion. how did they double?

    NO EXPLANATAION.
  • mridula · 3 years ago
    I am a total nobody in blogsphere but i find this very interesting!
  • Pete Jones · 3 years ago
    Great idea - fantastic for you, and everyone else.
    e.g.

    http://www.brrreeeport.co.uk

    Will the epidemic completely take off or it will
    it fizzle away?
  • Lincoln · 3 years ago
    Just a question, but what can you use a reliable search count for? Unless you know that EVERY page is indexed, or know exactly what percentage of pages are / are not indexed, what use is an accurate count?

    I daresay you can't do any statistics with it, because you don't know your 'search domain'.

    What use is it, really?
  • ran · 3 years ago
    You missed the obvious answer here.

    The problem with the main search index counts vs blog searches is that a single post will be indexed multiple times and therefore count multiple times because it'll have a cache of the front page, the post itself, the comments link, the "recent posts" link on every post that has that side bar, the archive, the rss feed etc.

    As of 1pm Sunday, Google has 56,100, and Yahoo 78,900, MSN shows 45,379.
  • markr · 3 years ago
    I posted the day after. still not showing up. Then again My blog started about two weeks ago. So I wait for the search engines to say. But I got friends, family and some strangers appearing.

    Keep posting. You and Dave are one and two in my reading lists