This is a shot in the dark, and maybe even naive, but what if Apollo turns out to be an iPhone dev platform?
Would that be newsworthy enough?
Robert Scoble
· 2 years ago
David: like I said, AIR could stand for: "Adobe IPhone Runtime" or, even, "Apple IPhone Runtime." Heheh.
PXLated
· 2 years ago
Or maybe Jobs told Adobe to go beat sand. I guess I wouldn't want to talk about that either ;-)
Simon Brocklehurst
· 2 years ago
To say the least, it would be an interesting decision to put Flash on the iPhone, and leave Java off...
The really interesting thing, though, would be if they put full Flash on there; not Flash Lite...
Ioannus de Verani
· 2 years ago
@PXLated: you have an interesting point... :) I guess we'll see. When the iPhone is released, I'm going down to the Apple Store to play with it, if they let me.
Hans
· 2 years ago
4 in 10 odds "I can't talk about that" is fear. Fear that Flash (Lite) is finally available for most phones that matter today, but will be non-existent on the only phone that matters by the end of the month.
3 in 10 odds "I can't talk about that" is (attempted) coolness. The engineer really has no idea whats up, but wants to sound like he's in the know... even though he's pretty confident even his boss' boss doesn't have a clue yet. And he's planning to wait in line for one on the 29th even if it doesn't have Flash.
2 in 10 odds "I can't talk about that" means iPhone 1.0 will ship without a single line of Adobe code. However, Adobe will be acquired by Apple about the time iPhone 2.0 ships to fill out Apple's design/development platform (which will be greatly needed in regards to the iPhone.)
1 in 10 (or really more like 1 in 1,000) odds "I can't talk about that" means iPhone 1.0 will ship with Flash. The folks manufacturing these things don't even get to see them, and neither has Adobe.
Scott Becker
· 2 years ago
If the answer was simply "No," that would be one thing. But saying "I can't talk about that," when it comes to Apple, most likely means - yes, but we're going to delay gratification and let the hope and anticipation build to fever pitch. Even with a little thing like Flash.
Delayed announcements and secrecy is part of the Apple mystique. They simply understand the human emotion of material want. The status of an object for the period of time when you desire it and can't yet have it is as good or better as once you actually own it.
Leaving some of the details fuzzy lets it be up to the customer's imagination - where they will invent in their mind the greatest product ever invented.
And unlike other companies who can't help bragging about unfinished goods, Apple has discipline.
David Jacobs
· 2 years ago
Would it kill someone to just say, we're working on it? Is that really the great secret of the iPhone? To me that means, Apple doesn't want it but we're trying to convince them. Lame Apple, very lame. And no 3G is lame too.
John
· 2 years ago
Yes, there are a lot of ex-Apple folks at Adobe, and ex-Adobe folks at Apple. The current net positive flow is to Apple these days... all the San Jose folks who can't stand working with those in San Francisco are moving to Cupertino...
I'm pretty sure from my very good sources that there won't be Flash or Flash Lite on iPhone 1.0.
The last thing Apple wants is to be dependent on Adobe. Look at Mac OS X's PDF support - it's all Apple native code. Even though Adobe is one Apple's biggest supporters, Jobs still complained about CS3 coming out so late after MacTel was released (not that Adobe complains publicly that Leopard got delayed as well as Windows Vista)
Adobe needs to get AIR to 1.0 on Windows, Mac OS X Mactel and Linux before getting it on any phone...
myles
· 2 years ago
i can't talk to you about that...
John Dowdell
· 2 years ago
It's hard to talk, in any useful way, about other groups' unannounced work.
The iPhone belongs to Steve Jobs, and it's up to him to talk about it. Others can't do so.
And if they *do* do so, then you have to ask them how they know what they say they know, and test out their story against reality.
I'm curious what "Web 2.0 Internet standards" from the Apple press release might mean, myself. But that's for Steve Jobs and my old coworker Phil Schiller to explain, not me.
It's Apple's product; Apple's news.
jd/adobe
Robert Zolkos
· 2 years ago
"It’s Apple’s product; Apple’s news."
And Flash is Adobe's product and Adobe's news.
Flash is an important part of the web and I would be very disappointed if there was no Flash on the iPhone at least *at some point* in the future.
John Dowdell
· 2 years ago
> > It's Apple's product; Apple's news. > > And Flash is Adobe's product and Adobe's news.
True, that. ;-)
Adobe Flash Player 9 is already installed on 90%+ of the world's computers within less than year (!!), and is a standard, expected part of the Web experience today.
Adobe Flash Lite 2 is on few of the cheapie mobiles, but is a key component -- and in some cases, a part of the native interface -- of the world's most attractive mobiles today.
That's info on Adobe releases. But I still don't know what Apple's iPhone will be able to achieve. Steve Jobs remains the best source of info on that.
jd/adobe
Mike
· 2 years ago
Not announcing your product will support something != announcing your product will not support something...
All Comments
Would that be newsworthy enough?
;-)
The really interesting thing, though, would be if they put full Flash on there; not Flash Lite...
I guess we'll see. When the iPhone is released, I'm going down to the Apple Store to play with it, if they let me.
3 in 10 odds "I can't talk about that" is (attempted) coolness. The engineer really has no idea whats up, but wants to sound like he's in the know... even though he's pretty confident even his boss' boss doesn't have a clue yet. And he's planning to wait in line for one on the 29th even if it doesn't have Flash.
2 in 10 odds "I can't talk about that" means iPhone 1.0 will ship without a single line of Adobe code. However, Adobe will be acquired by Apple about the time iPhone 2.0 ships to fill out Apple's design/development platform (which will be greatly needed in regards to the iPhone.)
1 in 10 (or really more like 1 in 1,000) odds "I can't talk about that" means iPhone 1.0 will ship with Flash. The folks manufacturing these things don't even get to see them, and neither has Adobe.
Delayed announcements and secrecy is part of the Apple mystique. They simply understand the human emotion of material want. The status of an object for the period of time when you desire it and can't yet have it is as good or better as once you actually own it.
Leaving some of the details fuzzy lets it be up to the customer's imagination - where they will invent in their mind the greatest product ever invented.
And unlike other companies who can't help bragging about unfinished goods, Apple has discipline.
I'm pretty sure from my very good sources that there won't be Flash or Flash Lite on iPhone 1.0.
The last thing Apple wants is to be dependent on Adobe. Look at Mac OS X's PDF support - it's all Apple native code. Even though Adobe is one Apple's biggest supporters, Jobs still complained about CS3 coming out so late after MacTel was released (not that Adobe complains publicly that Leopard got delayed as well as Windows Vista)
Adobe needs to get AIR to 1.0 on Windows, Mac OS X Mactel and Linux before getting it on any phone...
The iPhone belongs to Steve Jobs, and it's up to him to talk about it. Others can't do so.
And if they *do* do so, then you have to ask them how they know what they say they know, and test out their story against reality.
I'm curious what "Web 2.0 Internet standards" from the Apple press release might mean, myself. But that's for Steve Jobs and my old coworker Phil Schiller to explain, not me.
It's Apple's product; Apple's news.
jd/adobe
And Flash is Adobe's product and Adobe's news.
Flash is an important part of the web and I would be very disappointed if there was no Flash on the iPhone at least *at some point* in the future.
>
> And Flash is Adobe's product and Adobe's news.
True, that. ;-)
Adobe Flash Player 9 is already installed on 90%+ of the world's computers within less than year (!!), and is a standard, expected part of the Web experience today.
Adobe Flash Lite 2 is on few of the cheapie mobiles, but is a key component -- and in some cases, a part of the native interface -- of the world's most attractive mobiles today.
That's info on Adobe releases. But I still don't know what Apple's iPhone will be able to achieve. Steve Jobs remains the best source of info on that.
jd/adobe