Scobleizer: “Where’s the blog?” in Windows Live Spaces?
n00b
· 3 years ago
Surely these people should be run off the internet for posting things like pictures that are of interest to them personally, instead of writing entry after entry about where they appear in Google results, sites with rounded corners and silly names, and parties they attended with other people obsessed with Google results, rounded corners, and silly names. The shame!
Pradeep
· 3 years ago
Well, it's upto them whether they like to post any blogs or not. It's also upto them what they post there. Not everyone who has Spaces would like to write something. But, if MS is counting these as blogs, then it's sorta bad for the company. It's kinda fooling people. But, even if they write only 1 or 2 posts a day..it's a blog. Coz they have written it, maybe they have not updated it. Not everyone likes to publicise their blog.
Robert Scoble
· 3 years ago
Pradeep: I didn't find a SINGLE one yet that posts anywhere close to once a day (the high water mark was twice in the past month).
n00b: how's the coffee in Redmond? Personally I'm not opposed to making Web pages with no content on them (well, unless you count "there are no posts here" content. Heheh) but I wonder how if Microsoft executives are counting those in its blog numbers. They sure didn't look like blogs to me!
Seshadri P V
· 3 years ago
Ok..Here's my theory. Arguably most of the bloggers of these blogs are non-computer savvy people who cant resist blogging-but not sure what to do. Given that live spaces would tempt most of the MSN chat users it is fairly reasonable to expect this kind of demographic moving to live spaces. It will take some time for these bloggers to get in to actual meaningful stuff. On the contrast, somebody clicling in to wordpress/blogger/typepad would have some knowledge on blogging and probably have a fair idea of what they want to do.
Live spaces will have more people who are "Hey matty, you know , yesterday i got myself that 'blog thing' frm MSN. It's cool. I am a blogger now. You shoudl check it out too!!"
Besides, these things are still a start.
Anonymous
· 3 years ago
noob that's not the point. Postings of photos/photosets does not constitute blogging. It's simply a collection of photos posted to a website, not a blog. The automatic insertation of a timestamp by Microsoft's system does not make it a blog.
There's nothing wrong with people posting pictures that interest them, but such websites are not blogs.
Richard Brownell
· 3 years ago
Folks, I wouldn't bother arguing that Robert is putting down these blogs. Maybe he is. But his point is that Microsoft shouldn't be counting these when they say they have the most popular blogging service. He's absolutely right. I only wish there were a way to determine how many of MySpace's millions of accounts are actually being used. You'd probably find even more interesting results.
Dare Obasanjo
· 3 years ago
Robert, These series of childish posts is really beneath you. It seems you are upset that someone reported that they heard someone from Microsoft say that Windows Live Spaces hass 72 million blogs and is the world's largest blogging service.
Since that post, two people who work on the product have pointed out that we don't think the number of blogs is relevant (it isn't) and number of engaged users is more interesting. According to ComScore we have ONE HUNDRED MILLION of those per month (not counting China where we are the most popular blogging service).
At the end of the day, all you have done is show some of your readers that you are egotistical, narrow minded and quite petty as well. I'm sure you'll find some way to spin this positively to your cause as well.
PS: Before you bother asking, I don't drink coffee.
PPS: It may be that you are simply arguing that we should call these 'spaces' not 'blogs' since they are much more than blogs. I agree. I don't see MySpace calling themselves a blogging service and I see them as our primary comeptitor, not TypePad and WordPress.
Robert Scoble
· 3 years ago
Richard is right. I don't mind that people are out there that put stuff I wouldn't consume out on the Internet. Heck, my ego isn't big enough to think that everything I put up here is good enough to pass that test most days. I'm know there are plenty of people who say my writing is awful dreck and would rather hear about some cat owner's love of their cat.
Oh, Maryam, be quiet!
Anyway, my point is that these things aren't blogs.
Pradeep
· 3 years ago
what about people who like to post, say once or twice a week?Reviewers of film. Not everyone has the time to post everyday of the week. Maybe you can call them amateur bloggers. They want to blog once a week as a past time. They don't really care who visits the blog. They just want to write coz they like to see their work online, even if no one else is watching. Your definition of a blog (in the post below) can be defined as a professional blogger.
If MS is indeed counting those 'Spaces' as blogs, their count is wrong and I think after people realise that its bad for MS themselves and not for anyone else.
Robert Scoble
· 3 years ago
Pradeep: did you not read my post earlier where I defined a blogger as someone who posts at least twice a month with at least 500 words a month? So you're "reviewer" would count as a blog.
Robert Scoble
· 3 years ago
And, of course MSN is counting those as blogs. That was my WHOLE point (sidetracked by me pulling up the "inside the firewall" issue).
Pradeep
· 3 years ago
Well, that was just an example. Ok, another example. Dunno if such a blog exists. But, think of a man who is some kind of researcher. He researches on his subject for one whole week and then sits on the last day of the month to write about it. Won't that be a blog? I mean it may have either 1000 words or maybe only 200 words, but I would think that is still a blog. An odd one though it might be.
tah
· 3 years ago
i find this whole exchange and discussion humorous - akin to the 'mine is bigger than yours' discussion high schoolers tend to have. merriam webster has a definition for blog (see http://m-w.com/dictionary/blog). i don't have the time to peruse the top 50 msn spaces but while the people may not have comments such as a) why their kid can't attend a conference or b) family needs to sell some stuff or c) who i met the other day while drinking coffee at random hotspot X and why it's not publicized so people can see i'm cool - they are 'online journals' even though it doesn't fit your definition.
seriously this 'blog' has gone south since you left microsoft...
Shravan
· 3 years ago
"These series of childish posts is really beneath you. It seems you are upset that someone reported that they heard someone from Microsoft say that Windows Live Spaces hass 72 million blogs and is the world’s largest blogging service."
YEah, I don't quite understand this sudden childish behavior of yours. Even if you use your definition of blogs, I think Spaces will still be #1. Why this sudden animosity towards Microsoft? Are we going to see more and more Microsoft-bashing posts from you in future?
Robert Scoble
· 3 years ago
Shravan: where were you when I was bashing Google on Friday?
Tah: so where's your blog so we can learn how to do it right?
Dare: >I don’t see MySpace calling themselves a blogging service and I see them as our primary comeptitor, not TypePad and WordPress.
Ahh, but then why does your team mention "blogs." And why did your team sponsor "BlogHer?" Obviously they are important audience members to try to court.
Oh, why? Cause FM Media is getting more per CPM than MySpace is. Why is that? It's the big elephant no one is touching while you all call me egotistical and childish (interesting that I never got into the ad hominem mud pit, but you did!)
tah
· 3 years ago
@16 - sorry my blog is private :) oops - i guess i'll just call it MWWITIAWIDWIGESTMFAFKWIUT-log
"my website where i track info about what i do, where i go, etc so that my friends and family know what i'm up to" site
Aaron Axvig
· 3 years ago
I think taking one sampling at a particular time of night on a particular day is hardly a way to get an overall picture of usage. Please repeat this tomorrow, throughout the day. I'm willing to bet you will find several (though admittedly not very many) "real" blogs.
shravankrish
· 3 years ago
"Shravan: where were you when I was bashing Google on Friday?"
Okay. Let me rephrase my question. Are you going to bash Google and Microsoft and other established software companies more often now? Also, why this series of posts dedicated to Live Spaces? Why not just leave it at one?
radaronpaws
· 3 years ago
I agree with Robert's point about Microsoft claiming they host the most WHATEVER. Maybe they do. Probably they don't.
What I don't agree with is Robert's definition of a blog. I see bloggers who are a lot less prodigious in their blogging, but are more eloquent or blog about things that are just as interesting, if not more. If they are sticking something up on a blog, they are bloggers.
That's like saying that people who write books aren't authors unless 300 million copies are sold or they write a 500 page novel, or that a musician is not a musician unless they have 10 albums and millions of fans.
That's just stupid.
Caracalla
· 3 years ago
As I see Robert is arguing against NOT people calling themselves bloggers (You never meet those private bloggers blogging anyway :) ) but MS callling their service the best-biggest blogging space. And a few 'chaps' took the question to personal levels and drove Robert into perhaps hurting some non-public bloggers. Thus taking the topic from the truthfulness/correctness of the MS claim.
Robert Scoble
· 3 years ago
radar: no, that's like saying that people who just buy blank white paper are authors.
Robert Scoble
· 3 years ago
shrav: I don't know. I usually blog about what I'm feeling. Lately I've been in more of a critical mode. Probably because I'm trying more things and because I've been talking with more people. Also because I don't need to worry anymore about representing Microsoft. I just need to worry about representing Podtech and myself. It is changing my attitude toward things.
mike
· 3 years ago
All this useless banter and M$ bashing is foolish! in the end who really gives a shit??
Moe
· 3 years ago
Scoble, funny that you mention that old where is the beef commercial. I came across of that on youtube a few weeks ago. http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ug75diEyiA0
Sure they're boring and crappy--most blogs are. WP has a LOT of blogs with one or two posts put up some months ago, or with nothing done to them at all except perhaps changing the title. (Maybe these people only signed up in order to get Akismet keys, dunno)Personally, I don't like MySpace or LiveJournal(which is what this M$ site reminds me of, rather than sites like WP or Blogger)but if people are using them, what the hell.
I do agree, the Windows Live site is ridiculously slow, plus you cannot leave a comment unless you have a Windows Live ID.
Nick Douglas
· 3 years ago
Scoble, this is awesome.
Jeff Freeman
· 3 years ago
I've never read anything on Live Spaces before. So there's that.
I looked at a few of those linked here, and there's a bigger story there for me:
They all force you to scroll sideways on resolutions below whatever the hell they've decided the minimum is.
So screw 'em.
Web pages that make you scroll sideways are STUPID.
Motorcycle Man750
· 3 years ago
I've had my website going now for 4 month and I've yet to find a comment or trackback. I'm not sure if my site appeares on the web, because I've yet to get an e-mail, plus I can't get the windows media player to work, because I can't find music to put on it. Please, you may check it out.
Full Circle Pete Everything In Life Is Connnected Together Creating a Full Circle.
defrostindoors
· 3 years ago
Full Circle Pete, it says there are no entries for that blog.
Curious--why do the archives go back to August 2004?
Why does it matter Robert? If someone wrote just one post in a lifetime it could still be very valuable to that person and indeed the world if it contained some great insight. Surely thats the point of blogs? Personal free expression..
Robert Scoble
· 3 years ago
Geoff: you're right -- it doesn't matter, we're all going to end up in a box in the end anyway.
Hey, a bird just left a blog on my windshield. See, everyone is getting into this "personal expression" thing. Heheh.
Cy
· 3 years ago
In Christmas 1950 I received the present of a Letts Schoolboy Diary 1951. Between 1 and 8 January I remembered to make an entry thrice. The news I wrote was either NO PUD or the type of pudding we had. (It might be rice, sago, apple suet pudding with custard, or whatever. Mammy saw the diary later with my permission and she was a bit guilty about "NO PUD". But nothing changed. If there was pudding, we were dlighted. If there was no pudding, we accepted it. But from 9 Jan to 31 Dec I made no more entries. These bloggers are all perfectly normal people. First: enthusiasm. Second: dunno wot ter say. Relax. At least something on planet Earth is peacefully normal. And anyway, I read all the stuff in their about flags of the Empire and knots and semaphore and Morse code over and over. These bloggers probably read other stuff. Does this answer your question? cyquick.wordpress.com
anand
· 3 years ago
another of those foolish posts...btw did you achieve your objective of getting more hits ??
check out my website for this debate, I was camping this weekend when you made these post, but then again your short minded and might look over it. but prove me wrong and leave a comment.
Jason B.
· 3 years ago
Robert, are you stressesd out or something? Never have a seen a post like this from you. So spaces has a lot of spam, who the hell doesn't. Spam just means you are doing something right.
At any rate, a web log is what it is, a web log. Some say a picture is worth a thousand words, and if some choose to log their life through their experiences in photagraphy then so be it.
But you know what, I am a geek and I'm not a bit ashamed of using live spaces. I really don't follow a-listers. They don't tell me what to use, I make my own mind up.
But getting back to your point... Oh, who has the most bloggers.. why the hell is this important anyhow? What matters is who has the best blogging service. Live writer is damn cool and if you want to be an evanglist for the company you work for talk about the cool stuff you all are doing, stop with the live bashing.
Gregory Block
· 3 years ago
You had a really interesting comment earlier, Scoble, on the "defense" of Microsoft that seems to happen whenever you comment on them negatively.
True - they do. But isn't it fascinating that they're defending *marketing* here. It's not like someone has made a technical slight and the techies have come out of the woodwork; instead, they're literally defending something which is transparently marketing bollocks.
Why defend *a marketing campaign*? Why not spend a little more time defending the technology itself? Who cares if Microsoft Marketing turns out ot be a bunch of lying marketing people - didn't we already start from that assumption? What's gained by trying to prove that impression wrong?
The 72 million Live bloggers are as bogus as the numbers for MySpace, and we all know it. We also know that Microsoft isn't going to turn around and start using a "60 day sliding window" of any kind to count its bloggers - it's far happier just counting accounts, despite the fact that much of it is probably driven by the recent software release and a bunch of people running through it to see what it looks like.
If it was something worth defending, I'd be impressed that they were out doing so - however, it's not worth defending that statement, and I think the fact that they're all out beating bushes and trying to defend *what is clearly indefensible* is far more telling.
Smells like weakness to me.
mmadrigal
· 3 years ago
A car is not a car because it is parked? A tool is always a tool independently of the use that we give him. Spaces is blogs.
Robert Scoble
· 3 years ago
Mmadrigal: OK, that's cool. I wasn't arguing that my wife's blog on Live Spaces wasn't a blog. I was arguing two things:
1) That empty spaces shouldn't count as blogs. 2) That private spaces shouldn't count as blogs because the audience is limited.
But, I'm losing on both counts, which means a bird pooping on my windshield is also a blog. Or a word written on a beach is a blog. Or a tattoo on your arm is a blog.
Sigh.
mmadrigal
· 3 years ago
Much people use the Spaces to show her photos. is Photoblog a blog?. Or is videoblog a blog?. Or ?podcast. Soon post in video will be very common. Then no longer will be blogs? If somebody surely wrote blog on the life of a bullfigther it would very have limited readers. Would be blog? If blog does not have any content I agree, it would not have to be counted. But he is blog is private, Because no. Many blogs are public and really have less readers than some private ones. And thanks Scott for the idea of tatoo. I have thought about which puts “I am not blog private”
mmadrigal
· 3 years ago
Sorry Because no= Why not? I speak english very bad
Cy
· 3 years ago
Hi Anand. I just twigged you might have been addressing me above. I did achieve more visits but have abandoned the idea of making other people's addresses go blue and be clickable. I have found my limits. I am sure you got my point that blogs are no different from diaries unkept. I ask you brill dudes to forgive us lazy but harmless plodders. Cy
Cy
· 3 years ago
Further points from Cy:
1. It took me ages to discover the invaluable My Comments feature.
2. Early on, I went to cyquick.wordpress.com via the address bar on my ntl broadband home page. I added it to my Favourites. I dragged the ikon onto my desk top for a daily user test. Has this added (about 100) self hits out my 700 shown?
3. Some bloggers seem to think they OWN blogging. If they helped to invent and develop it, I guess they are right.
9400
· 3 years ago
This discussion is rather pointless and humorous, in my opinion.
Also, to contribute to the discussion, it is a blog if it has anything in it - any content, be it pictures, a post, or 50 posts. However, if there is nothing of any kind, no links, lists or otherwise, it can't be counted.
Last, WHO CARES?!?!?! This is a totally pointless discussion.
Cy
· 3 years ago
Cy again.
I would just like to say that I think it is better when a comment BEGINS WITH the name of the commenter, rather than, as in this set-up, the name's being at the end like a signature. No, I have changed my mind. Leave it as it is.
Cy
· 3 years ago
Further from Cy
I am surprised that #55 worked. I thought the thing was closed and the guy above (I cannot find his name above or below) had somehow wound up the thing. I do not think the discussion is any more pointless than asking the questions "Why are we here, and what is our purpose in life?".
The answer is obvious of course. We are not here to please or placate some imaginary guy in the sky, we are here as mindkind to give conscious control to what was previously an inexorable automatic natural process. We have clawed our way up from the gloopy puddle hit by lightening to being able to blog, planet-wide, the supreme accomplishment of any animal species.
Given this splendid progress, we might as well carry on and educate the six-billion strong moronic mass, eliminating the canker of theism from their harried mini-minds. Also, Eurosport should cover the entire bike race, not just the end. And Doo-Wop should be played more on the radio.
I have just found the guy's name. It is 9400 so you can see what happened. I was just not ready for the whole uncompromising edginess of the thing. Cy
What I hate most of all about blogging is the fact that I cannot delete my early comments of 15 May in other places, or indeed any comment. I can edit my own work on my own blog. I cannot edit my own work on the blogs of other people. I do wish everybody would feel free to delete my comments. This lot for example. Is it not crying out to be deleted? Yap yap yap. Cy
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n00b: how's the coffee in Redmond? Personally I'm not opposed to making Web pages with no content on them (well, unless you count "there are no posts here" content. Heheh) but I wonder how if Microsoft executives are counting those in its blog numbers. They sure didn't look like blogs to me!
Arguably most of the bloggers of these blogs are non-computer savvy people who cant resist blogging-but not sure what to do. Given that live spaces would tempt most of the MSN chat users it is fairly reasonable to expect this kind of demographic moving to live spaces. It will take some time for these bloggers to get in to actual meaningful stuff. On the contrast, somebody clicling in to wordpress/blogger/typepad would have some knowledge on blogging and probably have a fair idea of what they want to do.
Live spaces will have more people who are "Hey matty, you know , yesterday i got myself that 'blog thing' frm MSN. It's cool. I am a blogger now. You shoudl check it out too!!"
Besides, these things are still a start.
There's nothing wrong with people posting pictures that interest them, but such websites are not blogs.
These series of childish posts is really beneath you. It seems you are upset that someone reported that they heard someone from Microsoft say that Windows Live Spaces hass 72 million blogs and is the world's largest blogging service.
Since that post, two people who work on the product have pointed out that we don't think the number of blogs is relevant (it isn't) and number of engaged users is more interesting. According to ComScore we have ONE HUNDRED MILLION of those per month (not counting China where we are the most popular blogging service).
At the end of the day, all you have done is show some of your readers that you are egotistical, narrow minded and quite petty as well. I'm sure you'll find some way to spin this positively to your cause as well.
PS: Before you bother asking, I don't drink coffee.
PPS: It may be that you are simply arguing that we should call these 'spaces' not 'blogs' since they are much more than blogs. I agree. I don't see MySpace calling themselves a blogging service and I see them as our primary comeptitor, not TypePad and WordPress.
Oh, Maryam, be quiet!
Anyway, my point is that these things aren't blogs.
If MS is indeed counting those 'Spaces' as blogs, their count is wrong and I think after people realise that its bad for MS themselves and not for anyone else.
seriously this 'blog' has gone south since you left microsoft...
YEah, I don't quite understand this sudden childish behavior of yours. Even if you use your definition of blogs, I think Spaces will still be #1. Why this sudden animosity towards Microsoft? Are we going to see more and more Microsoft-bashing posts from you in future?
Tah: so where's your blog so we can learn how to do it right?
Dare: >I don’t see MySpace calling themselves a blogging service and I see them as our primary comeptitor, not TypePad and WordPress.
Ahh, but then why does your team mention "blogs." And why did your team sponsor "BlogHer?" Obviously they are important audience members to try to court.
Oh, why? Cause FM Media is getting more per CPM than MySpace is. Why is that? It's the big elephant no one is touching while you all call me egotistical and childish (interesting that I never got into the ad hominem mud pit, but you did!)
"my website where i track info about what i do, where i go, etc so that my friends and family know what i'm up to" site
Okay. Let me rephrase my question. Are you going to bash Google and Microsoft and other established software companies more often now? Also, why this series of posts dedicated to Live Spaces? Why not just leave it at one?
What I don't agree with is Robert's definition of a blog. I see bloggers who are a lot less prodigious in their blogging, but are more eloquent or blog about things that are just as interesting, if not more. If they are sticking something up on a blog, they are bloggers.
That's like saying that people who write books aren't authors unless 300 million copies are sold or they write a 500 page novel, or that a musician is not a musician unless they have 10 albums and millions of fans.
That's just stupid.
Here we go http://youtube.com/watch?v=J6DA9k8Y2Gw
I do agree, the Windows Live site is ridiculously slow, plus you cannot leave a comment unless you have a Windows Live ID.
I looked at a few of those linked here, and there's a bigger story there for me:
They all force you to scroll sideways on resolutions below whatever the hell they've decided the minimum is.
So screw 'em.
Web pages that make you scroll sideways are STUPID.
Full Circle Pete
Everything In Life Is Connnected Together Creating a Full Circle.
Curious--why do the archives go back to August 2004?
Hey, a bird just left a blog on my windshield. See, everyone is getting into this "personal expression" thing. Heheh.
At any rate, a web log is what it is, a web log. Some say a picture is worth a thousand words, and if some choose to log their life through their experiences in photagraphy then so be it.
But you know what, I am a geek and I'm not a bit ashamed of using live spaces. I really don't follow a-listers. They don't tell me what to use, I make my own mind up.
But getting back to your point... Oh, who has the most bloggers.. why the hell is this important anyhow? What matters is who has the best blogging service. Live writer is damn cool and if you want to be an evanglist for the company you work for talk about the cool stuff you all are doing, stop with the live bashing.
True - they do. But isn't it fascinating that they're defending *marketing* here. It's not like someone has made a technical slight and the techies have come out of the woodwork; instead, they're literally defending something which is transparently marketing bollocks.
Why defend *a marketing campaign*? Why not spend a little more time defending the technology itself? Who cares if Microsoft Marketing turns out ot be a bunch of lying marketing people - didn't we already start from that assumption? What's gained by trying to prove that impression wrong?
The 72 million Live bloggers are as bogus as the numbers for MySpace, and we all know it. We also know that Microsoft isn't going to turn around and start using a "60 day sliding window" of any kind to count its bloggers - it's far happier just counting accounts, despite the fact that much of it is probably driven by the recent software release and a bunch of people running through it to see what it looks like.
If it was something worth defending, I'd be impressed that they were out doing so - however, it's not worth defending that statement, and I think the fact that they're all out beating bushes and trying to defend *what is clearly indefensible* is far more telling.
Smells like weakness to me.
A tool is always a tool independently of the use that we give him. Spaces is blogs.
1) That empty spaces shouldn't count as blogs.
2) That private spaces shouldn't count as blogs because the audience is limited.
But, I'm losing on both counts, which means a bird pooping on my windshield is also a blog. Or a word written on a beach is a blog. Or a tattoo on your arm is a blog.
Sigh.
Soon post in video will be very common. Then no longer will be blogs?
If somebody surely wrote blog on the life of a bullfigther it would very have limited readers. Would be blog?
If blog does not have any content I agree, it would not have to be counted. But he is blog is private, Because no. Many blogs are public and really have less readers than some private ones.
And thanks Scott for the idea of tatoo. I have thought about which puts “I am not blog private”
Because no= Why not? I speak english very bad
1. It took me ages to discover the invaluable My Comments feature.
2. Early on, I went to cyquick.wordpress.com via the address bar on my ntl broadband home page. I added it to my Favourites. I dragged the ikon onto my desk top for a daily user test. Has this added (about 100) self hits out my 700 shown?
3. Some bloggers seem to think they OWN blogging. If they helped to invent and develop it, I guess they are right.
Also, to contribute to the discussion, it is a blog if it has anything in it - any content, be it pictures, a post, or 50 posts. However, if there is nothing of any kind, no links, lists or otherwise, it can't be counted.
Last, WHO CARES?!?!?! This is a totally pointless discussion.
I would just like to say that I think it is better when a comment BEGINS WITH the name of the commenter, rather than, as in this set-up, the name's being at the end like a signature. No, I have changed my mind. Leave it as it is.
I am surprised that #55 worked. I thought the thing was closed and the guy above (I cannot find his name above or below) had somehow wound up the thing. I do not think the discussion is any more pointless than asking the questions "Why are we here, and what is our purpose in life?".
The answer is obvious of course. We are not here to please or placate some imaginary guy in the sky, we are here as mindkind to give conscious control to what was previously an inexorable automatic natural process. We have clawed our way up from the gloopy puddle hit by lightening to being able to blog, planet-wide, the supreme accomplishment of any animal species.
Given this splendid progress, we might as well carry on and educate the six-billion strong moronic mass, eliminating the canker of theism from their harried mini-minds. Also, Eurosport should cover the entire bike race, not just the end. And Doo-Wop should be played more on the radio.
I have just found the guy's name. It is 9400 so you can see what happened. I was just not ready for the whole uncompromising edginess of the thing. Cy
What I hate most of all about blogging is the fact that I cannot delete my early comments of 15 May in other places, or indeed any comment. I can edit my own work on my own blog. I cannot edit my own work on the blogs of other people. I do wish everybody would feel free to delete my comments. This lot for example. Is it not crying out to be deleted? Yap yap yap. Cy