DISQUS

Scobleizer: “Wait until you see what Ray Ozzie is doing”

  • andrew_h · 1 year ago
    maybe MS could get the telescope people to do the new web services release... then we'd have tears of joy rather than hotmail pains
  • Robert Scoble · 1 year ago
    Andrew: actually, if the telescope's back end is running on the new datacenters and it stays up, even after everyone gets it and starts playing, then that'll be a major demonstration that the back end is ready to rumble with serious projects.
  • Anonymous · 1 year ago
    Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, can be exciting coming from M$, Evah!
  • Anon coward · 1 year ago
    Robert - trust your instincts regarding Ray's perfectionism. Look for more on that later this year maybe. Regarding offline Office...don't hold your breath for MIX. There may be other big news but more about real, moneymaking businesses rather than money-losing businesses like Google Apps. Arrington is smoking crack if he thinks Google's pulling in $400MM/hear from Google apps. Do the math. It doesn't hold up.
  • Don McArthur · 1 year ago
    There is an inherent logical inconsistency here that I don't see how Microsoft can resolve to its benefit. A browser-based, standards compliant shift to 'cloud computing' makes the operating system irrelevant and the Office Suite obsolete. Those are the cash cows, Robert, the crown jewels. In effect, Microsoft has no option that doesn't cause it as much pain as benefit.
  • Mike Torres · 1 year ago
    I use Hotmail everyday in Firefox - both Mac and PC. Works perfectly.
  • Robert Scoble · 1 year ago
    Mike: it does NOT work "perfectly."

    Want me to do a video of how much it sucks?

    It just sits here on my screen saying "Loading..."

    Yes, I can load the classic version, but then I don't have all the features of the Internet Explorer version.

    Of course, maybe that's your definition of "works perfectly." It's not mine.

    I'm using Firefox 3.0b3 on Vista Ultimate.
  • John Walker · 1 year ago
    Robert,

    I don't use Hotmail everyday, but I do use it under Vista with Firefox. I just loaded it here and it loaded in about 8 seconds. Gmail loads in about the same time. Not sure what the problem could be on your end.
  • Robert Scoble · 1 year ago
    John: maybe it's Firefox 3.0beta3?
  • Peter · 1 year ago
    It's "why should we" not "why should be" :-)
  • Mike Torres · 1 year ago
    It's prob because you're using a version of FF that changed (i.e. broke) things from 2.0. Use the released version. It DOES work perfectly. Can't expect all sites to work with a moving target.

    If you'd like to do a video of Hotmail on Firefox, I can hook you up with some folks to demo it working ;)
  • Omar Shahine · 1 year ago
    "Hotmail doesn’t work very well on non-Internet Explorer browsers. So, why should we believe that Microsoft’s new Web Services are going to be really standards based?"

    Robert, what are you talking about. We test FireFox on Mac and PC in both the Full and the Classic version. There are only 2 features that are not supported in FireFox on the Full version:

    1) real time spell check (ok cause FireFox 2 has built in spell check)
    2) the divider between the folder list and the message list is not resisable.

    It appears you are using a beta of FireFox 3. Do you expect Hotmail to run flawlessly with it?
  • W^L+ · 1 year ago
    Try Hotmail with Firefox on Linux. Or even better, try using Opera on any OS. When you finally commit to standards, both of those should work.

    I'm using FF 2.0.0.12 and Opera 9.25 on Fedora 8/Ubuntu 7.10/Win XP SP2.

    But aside from the Hotmail issues, I think MS has to get with Web services, because a number of people are going with Google Docs or Zoho, (both of which can import/export ODF documents as well as the Microsoft binary formats) or with ThinkFree.
  • Omar Shahine · 1 year ago
    FF on Linux is a bug in our user agent detection. It's not some kind of conspiracy.
  • Harald Felgner · 1 year ago
    I left Microsoft almost a years ago and even before I left I always stated “wait until you see what Ray Ozzie is doing!” For one year I’ve heard silence.

    1. I never visited Live Spaces again.
    2. I still use Hotmail; in my case not in a browser, but poorly connected to Outlook.
    3. A small fraction of people I knew had to do with Internet. A small fraction of them had a clue of Web 2.0.
    4. Data centers? Never heard of that topic in EMEA.
    5. - Cannot comment on that one -

    All I notice is that as soon as my Outlook starts, my machine becomes unresponsive, as soon as I fire up Windows Live Messenger my Outlook freezes and crashes every other day. Saving a local Excel sheet 100k in size takes 15 seconds. What else do I have to wait for until I switch to a non-Microsoft cloud?
  • JT · 1 year ago
    Robert,
    Ozzie's been working on something called Windows Live Horizon and I suspect you might see it demo'd before the end of this week.

    Ozzie's cheeky clue about the web desktop
    (http://jamiethomson.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!55...)

    -Jamie
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