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Re: “Small” PR headache for Google ahead…

kruston — Wed, 13 Dec 2006 06:21:07 -0000

Hey: WHO CARES?! Its a big wild web and anyway YAHOO COPIED GOOGLE'S WHOLE INTERFACE a couple of years ago; right down to layout and name of links, everything.

Re: “Small” PR headache for Google ahead…

Robert Scoble — Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:30:54 -0000

TAG: copying a Web page isn't the same as using monopoly power against competitors or buying a key piece of technology which has been protected by patents.

Thanks for noticing.

Re: “Small” PR headache for Google ahead…

Plubius — Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:28:21 -0000

Google is becoming more and more evil as the days pass by...

Re: “Small” PR headache for Google ahead…

Nail Connedy — Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:15:56 -0000

What's up with Microsoft using the same IconFactory's image as Apple? It's a free image.

Re: “Small” PR headache for Google ahead…

TAG — Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:07:26 -0000

Robert:

Something nice is:
$1.6 billion - Microsoft vs. Sun
$225+ million - Intergraph vs. Intel
and even
$280+ million - Google vs. Yahoo (over 6,269,361 - Overtune - source of all GOOG money)

But definitely not a pizza.

Re: “Small” PR headache for Google ahead…

Anand Iyer — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:56:43 -0000

Google lacks the touch of Microsoft which copies in style making the original creator wonder whether it was copied from us :)

Re: “Small” PR headache for Google ahead…

Robert Scoble — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:59:37 -0000

TAG: >Your message was following - it’s fine to steal as long as you pay for pizza.

I never said that.

But, once your company has made a mistake, it's a good idea to do something nice to the competition you ripped off.

You call that "spin." Whatever.

Re: “Small” PR headache for Google ahead…

arkile — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:54:29 -0000

Cry baby much? shut up about google. wahhh wahh wahh

Re: “Small” PR headache for Google ahead…

theskilled — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:50:39 -0000

Wow.

Talk about a person without skills.

Re: “Small” PR headache for Google ahead…

CajoleJuice — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:57:21 -0000

It seems like a pretty insignificant incident, but Christ, to completely copy the page like that is pretty pathetic of whoever coded the page.

Re: “Small” PR headache for Google ahead…

TAG — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:43:43 -0000

Stanley:

Google is based on page rank - probability that visitor will visit random page on Internet. For Google.com domain this probability is 100% ;-)

Re: “Small” PR headache for Google ahead…

TAG — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:41:54 -0000

Robert:

"that it’s evil to just wholesale copy someone else’s work"

You are spin doctor. You did this during your work at Microsoft by answering to each and any comments in blog or press and you are still doing this.

Your message was following - it's fine to steal as long as you pay for pizza. And instead of my question who and why has stole this design - it become - "Bad bad Google. They don't know that food at Yahoo is not free - why they did not send a pizza to their office ?".

This way instead of several million dollars lawsuit - this issue started to sound like after-party discussion who has to pay tips and how much.

Re: “Small” PR headache for Google ahead…

Stanley — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:14:53 -0000

Who cares?

Google has more serious issues, as pointed out by this slashdot post:
http://slashdot.org/comment...

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Re:Really? Strange that 'spreadsheet' would give..
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by Assmasher (456699) Alter Relationship on Fri Dec 08, '06 01:15 PM (#17167052)
(Last Journal: Sat Apr 03, '04 04:10 PM)

Their not tight lipped about their criteria, they're tight lipped about the exact algorithm involved (understandably so), but it still doesn't explain how they rank #1 for spreadsheet. Seriously.

Remember when Google released 'Scholar'? The very next day (this is something other people critical of Google adwords like to mention) somehow, with very few links to this new product, the word 'scholar' had Google showing up as #1.

Yeah, sure they play fair ;)... It's a fair coincidence that ALL of these words show Google as #1?

intranet, spreadsheet, documents, calendar, word processor, email, video, instant messenger, blog, photo sharing, online groups, maps, start page, restaurants, dining, and books

Some? Yes, all? No way. Not spreadsheet, not documents, certainly shouldn't be for e-mail or instant messenger."

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According to the above, a Google search for any of the terms intranet, spreadsheet, documents, calendar, word processor, email, video, instant messenger, blog, photo sharing, online groups, maps, start page, restaurants, dining, and books, all bring up Google as the number 1 item. The allegation is that Google is rigging its search results to point to itself.

Re: “Small” PR headache for Google ahead…

PaulRoales — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:34:23 -0000

Scoble: I agree that many stories end up on the front page of the average Americans newspaper without a PR response or push. I dont think this story is one of them. ValleyThink maybe getting seeping in..

Does Google really look like "an asshole" as you suggest they might if they dont respond? I say no. Online open source culture makes many understand that sharing is good and that sometimes attribution gets forgotten, mistakes happen, evil? no. asshole? no. Mistake yes.

This does not require a proclamation from Mountain View across all the land, it requires at most some personal phone calls over to Sunnyvale.

I would expect that Legal and PR are recommending that no formal apology go out as well. Why muddle YouTube implications over something that is limited to a digg story only? Why make this a real story?

You mention they are letting "a competitor define you in the marketplace?" Are they really? Is Yahoo releasing press attacking Google? Maybe Im missing your point here, if so please let me know.

Good dialog.

- PRoales

Re: “Small” PR headache for Google ahead…

joeduck — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:28:36 -0000

Robert I think your first post about this was more enlightened than this one. Google lifted a graphic plus design ideas, which is trivial but bogus behavior.

Yahoo's advertising UI copycat behavior would seem to me to be more like "copying" a blog layout or navigation features of other sites as innovation comes along.

Matt cleverly but unfairly implied this was a debate only about design rather than design and graphic nabbing.

Re: “Small” PR headache for Google ahead…

Sean — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:18:02 -0000

I nominate this as the stupidest, most unimportant, overhyped story of the year. WHO. CARES. I want to stop reading about this already. PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!

Re: “Small” PR headache for Google ahead…

Robert Scoble — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:29:36 -0000

PRoales: many a story has ended up on the front page of the WSJ WITHOUT having a PR team react. Why look like an asshole? Why let a competitor define you in the marketplace? Especially one that has done stuff just as bad?

Re: “Small” PR headache for Google ahead…

Robert Scoble — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:28:17 -0000

TAG: I don't care that my content was copied. I cared that that guy's software trackbacked to every post (and everything I linked to) which was a real nuisance. My stuff is copied all over the place.

But, that is a separate point anyway. I am pretty sure I made the point above that it's evil to just wholesale copy someone else's work. Did you not see that?

Re: “Small” PR headache for Google ahead…

TAG — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:35:12 -0000

Robert,

You are cheap. If you think that after stealing it's fine to settle for pizza to drive in limo - you are wrong.

Just like you have protected Microsoft RSS team then stolen image was replaced with Goatse - you are now protecting Google.

I remember how you have reacted then somebody reposted content of your blog. I think you even put large blame on innocent programmer that day. So - stealing is good as long as somebody does not steal from you ?

Copyrights exists for some reason - and it's not to break them - but follow.

Re: “Small” PR headache for Google ahead…

PaulRoales — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:17:21 -0000

Wow, what incredibly bad advice.

Follow Scobble - Have story end up on front page of WSJ

Do Nothing - Have story limited to the digg crowd

Why make this into a major issue, when no one but the blog's knows or cares right now?

Re: “Small” PR headache for Google ahead…

bess — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:05:50 -0000

Ha ha...
The biggest winner in this holiday reason is Microsoft IE Team!

It shows even Google is catching up the trend on browser version upgrade.

Yahoooo! The entire SV pick up the news that IE team is coming in town soon. And Yahoo top brain will be moderating the "Browser War: Episode II Attacks of the DOMs".

Merry X'mas Microsoft! Nice piece on the Vista Economic Impact PR.

Re: “Small” PR headache for Google ahead…

itsnotvalid — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:42:21 -0000

Just I want to see did you mean this:
http://theappleblog.com/200...

If yes, then you better buy an apple for Apple.

Re: “Small” PR headache for Google ahead…

Robert Scoble — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 03:35:36 -0000

Heheh, great one Matt!

Re: “Small” PR headache for Google ahead…

Matt Cutts — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 03:30:52 -0000

I posted the apology here:
http://www.mattcutts.com/bl...

I know it would suck to have someone copy your HTML layout on a page that is seen thousands of times a day.

Re: “Small” PR headache for Google ahead…

Chris — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 03:18:32 -0000

Heh, someone else with a PR headache after "making up" a blog site: http://www.joystiq.com/2006...