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Thats ok man, i still consider you a friend even though
I'm sure I'm among the majority who value all you do to expand our understanding of a world that is changing at Internet speed.
Our thermodynamic-defying, self-replicating DNA factory, ugly-bag-of-water nomadic selves aren't quite obsolete yet... Pity some don't realize that.
No one can ever be correct on everything! I still believe in you, and the things you say! You gave me an opportunity of a life time, and I don't know how to pay you back!
Daniel,
Apple Universe
I rarely use google anymore it's become almost my last resource I've noticed myself tending to search on Mahalo and other such websites. Like you say facebook is an amazing people search engine, before I was using google to find more information about someone but now I use social networks, which seem to be the best place to find out more about people.
MyLocator.com - King of Location.
Search Sucks, Locaton is Everything!
2. It can't scale - Why not, like you say use multiple sources (RSS reader, Facebook, Delicious, Flickr etc) and with the old traditional stuff, maybe hybrid system?
3. I do wonder about Google, why they don't have digg.com or a delicious of some sort under their belts?
Jamie
Can anybody imagine that two smart college students can "kill" Google (=any multi-billion $ company)... like Google did with all others before them?
I cannot see all the points of Robert, but the big times (& hype) of Google (>50% market share) will also end finally in some time. I don't know how and when, but it will happen.
It's a clever strategy to make your opponents seem like the ones who name call in order to weaken the general argument against your lack thereof.
are we good?
You have chosen a laundry list of the most scathing of them in what -appears- (I say appears, mind you) to be an attempt to prove your point by contradiction. Since all your detractors are obviously just looking to start a fight -- you must be right.
Well, I am not looking to start a fight but here is what I will say.
Maybe a Malhalo, Facebook or Techmeme -like- product will revolutionize search for the masses, but I would put good money down to say that none of these will topple Google at the search game in and of themselves.
The old directory structure (Malhalo) and even Techmeme rely too heavily of Google to do the initial sorting before they are able to take this vetted information and use it in their systems.
Dozens of people have voiced similar opinions in varying degrees of frustration. Robert, this is a decent debate and honestly it just goes to prove that the tech community still puts the blinders on when trying to separate hype from real market potential.
Maybe you are right. All things are possible, but I am sure (like any good marketer) you know that compelling headline aside, that post doesn't go very far towards predicting the future of search.
Danny Sullivan is one of the most positive people I know - he used the F word in his post.
Ditto with Rand - SEOMoz is usually a happy and positive uplifting place and he spent time on this instead of a post that added value.
I'd urge you to think in the future before filming something like that.
www.drunkenpanda.com
But, I just went over and checked out your blog and I notice you started out "Robert Scoble once again demonstrates that he is a giant tool."
Ahh, yes, that really should have been linked in here next to Valleywag. Sorry I missed it!
I think the human mind is wired to reject anything new.
Ive seen many clients spend thousands on SEO management only to discover that its the law of diminishing returns. The more they enter 1 category of success the less they are able to move their websites and alter their content without another round of heavy funds. It makes no sense.
The only SEO company I could trust to give me accurate results on Google should be Google. They own their system so presumably they are better placed to offer assurances than other companies ?
Anyway . You Said it well Robert and you may be pleased to know at least 1 client of mine watched your Show and "GOT IT" and is now reconsidering the value in SEO for their business. Thank you
Nik
However, I know from prior experience you're far from stupid, and upon doing some thinking, I understand where you're coming from, it's just still pinging my gut reflex to automatically discredit it a little too much.
I think you've gone too far, but read slowly, and taken with a grain of salt, you make some good points.
As blowhards go, I'll take an underinformed excited guy over a boring, well-read "expert" every time. Chances are they're both wrong -- and Cory Doctorow comes to mind as an example of the latter.
I actually think Arrington summed it up best by politely reminding that Google isn't going to just sit idle. Frankly there's not much technology behind Facebook yet.
Sidenote: almost all of the points raised by your detractors in very wordy, arrogant public blog posts today were foreshadowed by what your detractors said in (relatively) private, brief, polite blog comments when you first raised this issue a few days back.
You have a knack for PR. It looks to me like most of the comments are all heated up about the way you phrased the issue--who will be the "winner" at some point in the future.
That's smart PR. It gets people reading. But you know, as do thoughtful readers, that you're raising a very powerful issue--the balancing act between human-based networks, and the ability of technology to mimic them.
It's a debate we saw framed years ago with SEOs vs. Yahoo's original "expert" categorization system of topics. It's a variant of all AI arguments, going back to thought experiments about one's ability to discern the difference between a computer and a person playing chess behind a wall.
It'll probably never get fully resolved--there will continue to be roles to be played by each approach to the world; a dynamic punctuated by occasional blips, as a new kind of technology, or a new form of communication, comes to the fore. But in the longer term, technology and personal relationships generally figure out how to work hand in hand.
1. What about Google's other services? Could it pull an AOL and abandon it's original niche?
2. What's to stop Google from buying the services you mentioned in that four year time span? And even worse, what's to stop them from "absorbing" them?
Also, I think Jeff Jarvis would strongly disagree with your "watch Yahoo" finale, as he believes their time has come. Personally, I don't see how one can look at YahooPipes and tell me this company ain't the future.
I'm not a geek and I don't know two things about the future of search, but I believe in the power of the intellect to advance mankind, and that's why I liked the videos. They gave me something to think about, something to write about myself, and a framework --right or wrong --in which to consider social networks.
GOOG will be dethroned. Most of the Fortune 500 of today are not the Fortune 500 of 50 years ago. In the broader scheme of things, something will build on or replace Google the way airplanes replaced railroads.
But predictions on who and how they will be dethroned are far more difficult. Thanks just for raising the questions. I don't expect you to have all the answers.
And keep taking the criticism from the more black/white thinkers. There's no such thing as black/white on most issues.
You can ALWAYS be more wrong. ;)
The world of social media changes, utterly and forever, I think 3 or 4 times a week now. so I take all of this with a grain of salt.
Oh yeah, that internet thing will never take off either.
Steve also loudly proclaimed: "Microsoft is dead."
You got a lot of attention and made your case. You will therefore influence a lot of people with those points. Google will react and so will Microsoft.
And so will young Jennie Chong (now about 8) who will invent the device that puts human conciousness on the net and enables the ultimate borg complex. The borg complex will invade Google and make it theirs. That will be the end of Google and the dawn of the new era. MS will also be irrelevant in that era since software is redefined to mean "bio-firm-ware" and we're all programmers... just by thinking and sendng out ideas.
Sending out ideas: you ARE programming Robert! We are borg. We need input.
Marco Kotrotsos.
http://kotrotsos.com
Then it came to me. This is the internet equivalent to yelling "fire" in a crowded movie theater. Robert disappeared for a time, came back and wanted to draw a reaction. Since there was no Apple rumor out there to ride, he picked the next best thing. "Big Google is on the outs folks!"
We bought it hook, line and sinker -- as we usually do. Bravo for coming back with a bang Robert, I couldn't have played it better. Bashing Robert isn't helping anything folks, if you think he has 'jumped the shark' all you're doing is making the ramp higher.
Alright, I've decided to look at this debacle from a personal marketing perspective. When you do, you might go as far as calling Mr. Scoble a genius. I'm sure he has pulled in a lot of fresh readership from this little spectacle.
In the blogosphere, all press is good press.
The people who think you have gone insane (who didn't like you much to begin with).
And the people who think your detractors are just being big meanie heads (a -strong- new reader base).
Once "Bashing Scoble" becomes a meme, you can't make a counterpoint to the argument without seeming like you are just joining in on a public hanging.The more I look at this, the more I am amazed that no one saw it more quickly.
Well played.
Saying Google will fall is just too much for most people to handle. But hey you got all these people talking so: rock on!
Nice to have you blogging again, but I'm not joining you at the hip on this particular one. If you feel online friendships are not real, then you must think online relationships are not real. In that case what the Hell is social media's value?
Robert: I can't believe you think aliens have taken over Google and Techmeme is going to expose them all. Where do you get these crazy ideas?
# sarcasm off
Sure, but what if he's right.
http://blog.wired.com/business/2007/08/trend-de...
Sort of like what happened to George Bush last week when he took another long hard look at what happened when we left Vietnam.
You write: "There’s a TON of reaction to my videos yesterday, but here’s the reactions that stood out in my searches this afternoon."
1. Even though "ton" looks like a singular noun, in American English we treat it as a plural noun in this type of construction.
2. Just as we wouldn't say "a ton of book," it makes no sense to say "a ton of reaction."
3. When we speak of the something in the past ("yesterday"), we use the past tense of the verb.
4. We don't say "here is the reactions," because "reactions" is a plural noun and therefore requires a plural verb.
5. We use the conjunction "but" to indicate opposition or contradiction, not connection, between two components of a sentence.
Therefore, your opening should read, "There were a TON of reactions to my videos yesterday. Here are the reactions that stood out in my searches this afternoon."
Please proofread and edit your future posts more carefully, or let a good proofreader/copy editor help you. Thanks much!
I appreciate the rawness, and like the blogworld, people can go and check things out, mash togeher the support and the rebuttals, and come up with their own view of things.
Everyone who cares to participate has a role in that, and you just do it with your own inimitable style. You being you. I'm sorry for you that people find that an invitation to ad hominem, while no doubt serious and measured rebuttal to explorations voiced out loud will always be welcome. It's what makes up conversations that lead somewhere.